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Pettit & O'Brien out in Giants front office

Matt in SGS : 5/2/2022 6:38 pm
"A new GM means changes, and the #Giants are moving on from Dir of College Scouting Chris Pettit & Sr. Personnel Executive Kyle O'Brien. Pettit had been w/team since '05, helping win 2 Super Bowls, while O'Brien, who has served w/#Jaguars, #Patriots, #Lions, arrived last spring."
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Fstubbs  
NoGainDayne : 5/2/2022 7:14 pm : link
Agreed. Which is why I’ve pushed back against the idea that we should love the picks because JS and DB “have a plan.”

No evidence they’ve had time to put that plan in place yet. One of many reasons I’m on the fence here. Some people are just throwing out any possible sign of “this means it’s fixed”

I’m more like we need to gather a lot more data. Why can’t it just be enough that these hires just look way better than the last ones without needing to draw all these lines that they are already getting things fixed. If they do it will take time IMO and we are still dealing with the biggest unknown. The level of their autonomy and if it’s a lot how long it exists for
Probably a troll, but funny  
Sean : 5/2/2022 7:15 pm : link
ScoutingGems
@Mustanglover_
Very thankful for my time with the New York Football
@Giants
— This was a mutual decision and we all agreed it was in the best interest of myself and the team to go separately !
RE: ...  
Matt in SGS : 5/2/2022 7:16 pm : link
In comment 15696152 Eric from BBI said:
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Neil Stratton
@InsideTheLeague
Replying to
@mjbrier
and
@art_stapleton
No (I don't, I'll let Art speak for himself). Area scouts have been extended or told they'll be back. Schoen expected to bring in colleagues from his previous stops in Buffalo and Miami to replace O'Brien & Pettit.


Didn't Schoen bring in the scouts to meet with him in person and go over their reports early in the offseason? I think there were reports to the effect that it hadn't happened previously with the Giants (which is insane, but in hindsight, makes sense for how dysfunctional they were).

In listening to Schoen's interviews, he said they would pop on tape and go over with the coaches and scouts what they saw and got alignment that they all agreed on the same things. That he's retaining the scouts tells you that Schoen feels comfortable with the legwork that they were doing and agreed with their reports/approach. It would appear that he put the blame on the layers of management between the scouts and Gettleman.
RE: ...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/2/2022 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15696152 Eric from BBI said:
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Neil Stratton
@InsideTheLeague
Replying to
@mjbrier
and
@art_stapleton
No (I don't, I'll let Art speak for himself). Area scouts have been extended or told they'll be back. Schoen expected to bring in colleagues from his previous stops in Buffalo and Miami to replace O'Brien & Pettit.



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RE: RE: Sean I’d say this  
NoGainDayne : 5/2/2022 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15696163 Sean said:
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In comment 15696130 NoGainDayne said:


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to me the reaching is a sign that they might not be changing. The prior regime had the same we know more than the league attitude. Things could be better they might not be. They did keep Abrams. Everything Mara had to say this off-season was disconcerting as much as I loved their measured approach to FA.

Petit was publicly embarrassed and O’Brien was clearly a Judge hire. Seems like easy exits to me. Still good that they did it.

In my mind there is data to support this is getting fixed and data to support it isn’t. I understand hope. You aren’t empathizing with the other side and that’s your prerogative but there are a decent number of intelligent posters that share this view


That’s all fair, I don’t disagree. But, my point is we would have all signed for this back in December. I haven’t liked Mara’s words either, but I’m pleased with the overhaul we’ve seen. I can’t argue Abrams and the “promotion” he got. He should be gone too no doubt.


You’ve got me here. 100% I’d sign up for this a year ago. I’m just unwilling to say anything more then there are ample signs we are going in the right direction but this is a long road. And we just don’t know how it will play out. And as I just said in a different post. Even if JS has tons of autonomy right now (and that’s an unknown) we don’t know how long that will last
RE: RE: Sean I’d say this  
Matt in SGS : 5/2/2022 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15696163 Sean said:
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In comment 15696130 NoGainDayne said:


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to me the reaching is a sign that they might not be changing. The prior regime had the same we know more than the league attitude. Things could be better they might not be. They did keep Abrams. Everything Mara had to say this off-season was disconcerting as much as I loved their measured approach to FA.

Petit was publicly embarrassed and O’Brien was clearly a Judge hire. Seems like easy exits to me. Still good that they did it.

In my mind there is data to support this is getting fixed and data to support it isn’t. I understand hope. You aren’t empathizing with the other side and that’s your prerogative but there are a decent number of intelligent posters that share this view


That’s all fair, I don’t disagree. But, my point is we would have all signed for this back in December. I haven’t liked Mara’s words either, but I’m pleased with the overhaul we’ve seen. I can’t argue Abrams and the “promotion” he got. He should be gone too no doubt.


The Giants were in cap hell, and by most accounts, Abrams was following orders on the structure of the contracts. If you go back to the 2021 offseason, he said at the time that the cap was going to be a problem in 2022, but they had a plan and it would clear up for 2023. So if you are Schoen, the old adage "don't boil the ocean" comes to mind. He can't fix everything all at once, so you do it in pieces. He got thru the draft and moved out the old management. I'd imagine that once the cap is sorted out and they get into 2023, we would see Abrams wished well sometime later on, just a guess.
Matt...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/2/2022 7:18 pm : link
I read that as 'No, no area scouts have been extended or told they'll be back.'
Drain the swamp!  
GFAN52 : 5/2/2022 7:19 pm : link
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RE: Perhaps the 'Nephew' is next...  
TroyArchersGhost : 5/2/2022 7:20 pm : link
In comment 15696132 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I kid, I kid. He isn't going anywhere. Must be nice to be born on 3rd base & think you hit a triple.

That would be too sweet.
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Sean : 5/2/2022 7:21 pm : link
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ScoutingGems
@Mustanglover_
Never wanting anything to do with the problems of Toney are well documented on my part but Judge pushed … I get used as the scapegoat when Toney is being shopped for his ‘issues’ ?!… Don’t say
@PLeonardNYDN
did not make this all public information !!!! It will come out .
Sean...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/2/2022 7:24 pm : link
Starting to think mustang might actually be Pettit, or someone who he is tight with.
Now fire all the scouts  
TroyArchersGhost : 5/2/2022 7:24 pm : link
And start over from scratch. McDonnell and Uncle Chris aren't going anywhere, though.
This will be a big hire for Schoen  
Sean : 5/2/2022 7:26 pm : link
Giants haven’t had much luck coming off Ross and Petit.
RE: RE: Dave Syvertsen for Chris Petit's job  
Joe Beckwith : 5/2/2022 7:26 pm : link
In comment 15696094 AcidTest said:
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In comment 15696083 Anakim said:


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Make it happ'n



+1.

+ whatever number my vote is in the queue.
There were a few videos  
M.S. : 5/2/2022 7:27 pm : link

I believe at the Combine with Joe Schoen speaking, and Chris Pettit had that look of someone who is on the outside looking in. He was in the room with Joe Schoen, but he looked like he wasn't. If you know what I mean.
Good  
Toth029 : 5/2/2022 7:27 pm : link
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LOL  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/2/2022 7:32 pm : link
ScoutingGems
@Mustanglover_
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The push for
@obj
to come back to the #Giants was my final straw. Making emotional decisions like that will cont haunt the GM that’s already in over his head … John and Chris won’t get out of their own way enough to see what IS TRUE !!!

ScoutingGems
@Mustanglover_
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Malik Willis should be a Giant and that was made WELL known.
Not unexpected.  
Joe Beckwith : 5/2/2022 7:33 pm : link
Just actually surprised it was allowed to happen.
Tisch must be sitting on JM and saying ‘Let these guys run the show, I’m tired of losing’.
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Sean : 5/2/2022 7:34 pm : link
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ScoutingGems
@Mustanglover_
Malik Willis should be a Giant and that was made WELL known.
Man, this Twitter account must be Pettit himself/friend or relative  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/2/2022 7:38 pm : link
or someone who is an epic troll.
I know some were dubious  
DieHard : 5/2/2022 7:44 pm : link
But I don't see how anyone can dispute the mounting evidence. Schoen is running his own show. Best of luck to him. And maybe give Mara a little credit for finally understanding that he needed to step all the way back.
RE: I know some were dubious  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/2/2022 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15696232 DieHard said:
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But I don't see how anyone can dispute the mounting evidence. Schoen is running his own show. Best of luck to him. And maybe give Mara a little credit for finally understanding that he needed to step all the way back.


This is a positive move. But there was a MAJOR front office shake-up in June 2018 too. Hopefully, this works out far better.
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Eric.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/2/2022 7:49 pm : link
It just pisses me off that Mara keeps opining publicly about the team. I just wish he would STFU.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/2/2022 7:50 pm : link
NFL Insider
@AngryNFLInsider
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And now the #Giants have finally fired Chris Pettit. Joe Schoen is doing everything right so far. Pettit one of the key reasons to the Giants lack of draft success over the last few years is now finally gone. #TogetherBlue #NFL

NFL Insider
@AngryNFLInsider
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@draft4Lineman
Biggest clown ever. Key reason to why the drafts have been so bad over the last couple years

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@draft4Lineman
Not really sure but I expect someone Schoen has worked with before. Lake Dawson the Assistant Director of College Scouting for the #Bills could be a name to watch for.
Two days ago:  
DieHard : 5/2/2022 7:52 pm : link
Q. Do you anticipate making any changes to the personnel staff, subtractions, additions?

JOE SCHOEN: I haven't even thought about that yet. I'm about ready to fall asleep on this microphone.

Clearly he had a nice rest and a good think...
RE: Two days ago:  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/2/2022 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15696249 DieHard said:
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Q. Do you anticipate making any changes to the personnel staff, subtractions, additions?

JOE SCHOEN: I haven't even thought about that yet. I'm about ready to fall asleep on this microphone.

Clearly he had a nice rest and a good think...


I think he had this planned for some time.
RE: Two days ago:  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/2/2022 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15696249 DieHard said:
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Q. Do you anticipate making any changes to the personnel staff, subtractions, additions?

JOE SCHOEN: I haven't even thought about that yet. I'm about ready to fall asleep on this microphone.

Clearly he had a nice rest and a good think...


I called BS on that thread. Haha.
Great news  
cosmicj : 5/2/2022 7:55 pm : link
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Draft4  
Lines of Scrimmage : 5/2/2022 7:58 pm : link
Drafts bad for the last couple years? Lol
This is the way it's done in corporate America  
gtt350 : 5/2/2022 7:59 pm : link
There's more to come and way overdue
RE: RE: Two days ago:  
DieHard : 5/2/2022 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15696253 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15696249 DieHard said:


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Q. Do you anticipate making any changes to the personnel staff, subtractions, additions?

JOE SCHOEN: I haven't even thought about that yet. I'm about ready to fall asleep on this microphone.

Clearly he had a nice rest and a good think...



I called BS on that thread. Haha.


Indeed. Truly a case of "DON'T reflect on what I just said."
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CMicks3110 : 5/2/2022 8:01 pm : link
Tommy
@TommyG105
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Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out.

That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense.

Schoen is a straight up gangsta.
Giants scouts on film  
Pete in VA : 5/2/2022 8:02 pm : link
I recall a couple years ago there was a series on giants.com which followed Giants scouts from the combine through the draft. Several episodes. it featured conversations between them and interviews with several. I watched the thing, and my reaction at the time was these guys are not impressive at all, and some of them seem genuinely not too bright. I'm sure Pettit was one of them. Let's hope that the necessary housecleaning is done.
RE: RE: Two days ago:  
Del Shofner : 5/2/2022 8:02 pm : link
In comment 15696253 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15696249 DieHard said:


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Q. Do you anticipate making any changes to the personnel staff, subtractions, additions?

JOE SCHOEN: I haven't even thought about that yet. I'm about ready to fall asleep on this microphone.

Clearly he had a nice rest and a good think...



I called BS on that thread. Haha.


Right, I remember that.
RE: ..  
aimrocky : 5/2/2022 8:03 pm : link
In comment 15696267 CMicks3110 said:
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Tommy
@TommyG105
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48m
Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out.

That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense.

Schoen is a straight up gangsta.


Who Tommy G?
Fuck yeah!  
The_Boss : 5/2/2022 8:04 pm : link
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RE: ..  
BigBlueShock : 5/2/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15696267 CMicks3110 said:
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Tommy
@TommyG105
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48m
Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out.

That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense.

Schoen is a straight up gangsta.

I have no idea how true this is, but if it is, that is awesome, lol
RE: ..  
bw in dc : 5/2/2022 8:05 pm : link
In comment 15696267 CMicks3110 said:
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Tommy
@TommyG105
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48m
Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out.

That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense.

Schoen is a straight up gangsta.


That is awesome if true...
That Tommy G info...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/2/2022 8:09 pm : link
If true...chef's kiss.
RE: This is where the negativity gets tiresome..  
bw in dc : 5/2/2022 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15696108 Sean said:
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I’ve been negative, and I’m not a Jones fan. But the annoyance about “reaching”, come on.

The expectations all season included the following:

-Mara would promote Abrams and keep Judge.
-Mara would force an outside GM on Judge for a half measure.
-Mara would force the HC hire on Schoen (Flores).
-Mara would require Schoen to exercise Jones 5th year option.
-Mara would not allow wholesale front office changes.

Well, none of that has happened. Schoen was able to hire Brandon Brown and get rid of Pettit. I don’t see how anyone can be annoyed with the state of the Giants right now. Will it work? I don’t know, but change is happening.


I took almost all of those stances. And that's because I don't trust Mara. So, I wasn't going to believe anything until I saw it.

I find it a bit strange that you would be so willing to give Mara the benefit of the doubt with his recent history.
RE: Schoen  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/2/2022 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15696124 Les in TO said:
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Probably would have done this on day one but given the short amount of time to prep for the draft, gave them a three month stay likely on a short leash.

They stayed because they had already seen the board and they could do less damage inside the building (with no direct authority) than if they were out in the wild, and presumably scorned.
Yassssss  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 5/2/2022 8:11 pm : link
!!!
RE: RE: ..  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/2/2022 8:13 pm : link
In comment 15696273 aimrocky said:
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In comment 15696267 CMicks3110 said:


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Tommy
@TommyG105
·
48m
Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out.

That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense.

Schoen is a straight up gangsta.



Who Tommy G?

Nobody.

He's a Twitter equivalent any ordinary BBI poster.
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mfsd : 5/2/2022 8:13 pm : link
In comment 15696276 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15696267 CMicks3110 said:


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Tommy
@TommyG105
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48m
Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out.

That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense.

Schoen is a straight up gangsta.


I have no idea how true this is, but if it is, that is awesome, lol


That would be amazing
people really have fun on Twitter, huh?  
wigs in nyc : 5/2/2022 8:14 pm : link
no reason to really believe any of this stuff, though
Doesn't really do much for me  
ghost718 : 5/2/2022 8:17 pm : link
It's entirely possible that Pettit was a bit of a shady character,and at the same time,was not one of the main culprits.

The guy on Twitter sounded like a friend of Ross,Reese,or both
RE: Man, this Twitter account must be Pettit himself/friend or relative  
dabru : 5/2/2022 8:20 pm : link
In comment 15696222 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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or someone who is an epic troll.


Haha - could be any of a number of BBI posters
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MOOPS : 5/2/2022 8:20 pm : link
RE: .  
mfsd : 5/2/2022 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15696299 MOOPS said:
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Well done.
bw..  
Sean : 5/2/2022 8:35 pm : link
I’m not giving him the benefit of the doubt. I’m just saying I’m pleased with what has transpired.
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