Pettit & O'Brien out in Giants front office

After the championship years I would defend every little thing the Giants did. Down to hiring McAdoo and OBJ acting like a lunatic.

As a fan, the Giants built up a ton of good grace with me.

It took a bunch of bad decisions to make me doubt them. It’ll take a bunch of successful ones to make me trust them.

My view on the Giants right now: glad to see them stop doing plainly stupid things. Looking forward to seeing if they’ve done some smart things.

In comment 15696321 christian said:

Quote:

After the championship years I would defend every little thing the Giants did. Down to hiring McAdoo and OBJ acting like a lunatic. As a fan, the Giants built up a ton of good grace with me. It took a bunch of bad decisions to make me doubt them. It’ll take a bunch of successful ones to make me trust them. My view on the Giants right now: glad to see them stop doing plainly stupid things. Looking forward to seeing if they’ve done some smart things.

Well said.

In comment 15696321 christian said:

Quote:

After the championship years I would defend every little thing the Giants did. Down to hiring McAdoo and OBJ acting like a lunatic. As a fan, the Giants built up a ton of good grace with me. It took a bunch of bad decisions to make me doubt them. It’ll take a bunch of successful ones to make me trust them. My view on the Giants right now: glad to see them stop doing plainly stupid things. Looking forward to seeing if they’ve done some smart things.

Honestly, as time goes on OBJ looks like he was the only smart one who knew what a disaster the Giants were. I don’t blame him.

In comment 15696323 Eric from BBI said:

Quote:

In comment 15696321 christian said: Quote: After the championship years I would defend every little thing the Giants did. Down to hiring McAdoo and OBJ acting like a lunatic. As a fan, the Giants built up a ton of good grace with me. It took a bunch of bad decisions to make me doubt them. It’ll take a bunch of successful ones to make me trust them. My view on the Giants right now: glad to see them stop doing plainly stupid things. Looking forward to seeing if they’ve done some smart things. Well said.

+2.

In comment 15696321 christian said:

Quote:

After the championship years I would defend every little thing the Giants did. Down to hiring McAdoo and OBJ acting like a lunatic. As a fan, the Giants built up a ton of good grace with me. It took a bunch of bad decisions to make me doubt them. It’ll take a bunch of successful ones to make me trust them. My view on the Giants right now: glad to see them stop doing plainly stupid things. Looking forward to seeing if they’ve done some smart things.

Perfect. I’m pleased with the action taken, doesn’t mean it will work. It’s all hope from me, but I’m glad there have been no half measures.

.

A la Silicon Valley

I can only dream that Chris Mara is shown the door

Crusader is supposed to be, but he says JS leaking info is false

@crusadersWR: This is completely false and negligible that you would put this out there. https://twitter.com/tommyg105/status/1521266275523178496


Which means it's probably true

I’m tired of losing’ - This IMO. Tisch fired Joe Judge. Tisch was in every GM & HC interview meeting and Tisch was in the draft room. A lot of you think Steve Tisch isn't a serious person. A lot of you are wrong and he's smart enough to know the new guys are going to need some organizational protection from the lifers too.

In comment 15696294 wigs in nyc said:

Quote:

no reason to really believe any of this stuff, though

Hello.

In comment 15696362 arniefez said:

Quote:

I’m tired of losing’ - This IMO. Tisch fired Joe Judge. Tisch was in every GM & HC interview meeting and Tisch was in the draft room. A lot of you think Steve Tisch isn't a serious person. A lot of you are wrong and he's smart enough to know the new guys are going to need some organizational protection from the lifers too.

I tend to think Tisch was much more active behind the scenes than people realize.

In comment 15696362 arniefez said:

Quote:

I’m tired of losing’ - This IMO. Tisch fired Joe Judge. Tisch was in every GM & HC interview meeting and Tisch was in the draft room. A lot of you think Steve Tisch isn't a serious person. A lot of you are wrong and he's smart enough to know the new guys are going to need some organizational protection from the lifers too.

Is this asshat info or speculation? I don’t think that’s been reported with any kind of certainty that Tisch fired Judge

In comment 15696197 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

Quote:

Starting to think mustang might actually be Pettit, or someone who he is tight with.

SF that was widely believed to be the case early 22 following Hanlon's 'drunken' triggers when Mustang and Not an Angry Scout first got into it

In comment 15696108 Sean said:

Quote:

I’ve been negative, and I’m not a Jones fan. But the annoyance about “reaching”, come on. The expectations all season included the following: -Mara would promote Abrams and keep Judge. -Mara would force an outside GM on Judge for a half measure. -Mara would force the HC hire on Schoen (Flores). -Mara would require Schoen to exercise Jones 5th year option. -Mara would not allow wholesale front office changes. Well, none of that has happened. Schoen was able to hire Brandon Brown and get rid of Pettit. I don’t see how anyone can be annoyed with the state of the Giants right now. Will it work? I don’t know, but change is happening.

THANK YOU.

.
Link - ( New Window )

In comment 15696321 christian said:

Quote:

After the championship years I would defend every little thing the Giants did. Down to hiring McAdoo and OBJ acting like a lunatic. As a fan, the Giants built up a ton of good grace with me. It took a bunch of bad decisions to make me doubt them. It’ll take a bunch of successful ones to make me trust them. My view on the Giants right now: glad to see them stop doing plainly stupid things. Looking forward to seeing if they’ve done some smart things.

This front office shake-up is the best outcome so far in the Schoen era. I don't like rolling with Jones - I think it's just wasting reps for inevitable average performance at best - but at least the 5th year option wasn't exercised.

The effect of all of these decisions - Daboll, free agency, draft, roster management, front office changes, etc - will be decided on the field. The ultimate grading system.

In comment 15696362 arniefez said:

Quote:

I’m tired of losing’ - This IMO. Tisch fired Joe Judge. Tisch was in every GM & HC interview meeting and Tisch was in the draft room. A lot of you think Steve Tisch isn't a serious person. A lot of you are wrong and he's smart enough to know the new guys are going to need some organizational protection from the lifers too.

Tisch being in the draft room was interesting to me, don’t recall seeing him in the past.

In comment 15696377 capone said:

Quote:

. Link - ( New Window )

That's a troll account. Please don't post.

In comment 15696369 NoGainDayne said:

Quote:

In comment 15696362 arniefez said: Quote: I’m tired of losing’ - This IMO. Tisch fired Joe Judge. Tisch was in every GM & HC interview meeting and Tisch was in the draft room. A lot of you think Steve Tisch isn't a serious person. A lot of you are wrong and he's smart enough to know the new guys are going to need some organizational protection from the lifers too. Is this asshat info or speculation? I don’t think that’s been reported with any kind of certainty that Tisch fired Judge

Arnie said "IMO"...

Tisch has always been the dove to me who could really flex his ownership muscle if he wanted to. But, instead, has been willing to defer and trust Mara on these football decisions. Especially after the two SB wins in '08 and '11.

If he's finally decided that he wants that Giants to be more than a big annuity in his portfolio, and he needs to be more hands on, than God bless his epiphany.

Better late than never.

In comment 15696120 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

Quote:

Read Pettit's bio page on Giants.com. High comedy. Like North Korea like PR.

I just looked, it is gone... lol. What did it say?

In comment 15696269 Pete in VA said:

Quote:

I recall a couple years ago there was a series on giants.com which followed Giants scouts from the combine through the draft. Several episodes. it featured conversations between them and interviews with several. I watched the thing, and my reaction at the time was these guys are not impressive at all, and some of them seem genuinely not too bright. I'm sure Pettit was one of them. Let's hope that the necessary housecleaning is done.

Not trying to knock scouts because the takes they give to media could be smoke, but some of the most ignorant sounding quotes from what are regarded to be experts in the field have been the quotes from anonymous scouts in the Bob McGinn draft series. Some of the quotes just make you shake your head.

Anyone else tired of the embarrassment the last ten years have been? Finally, there is some hope for meaningful games in October!!!!!!!!!

For both GM and the coaches, all prior to their first season. However, while still recognizing the NYG could have gotten this GM and this HC wrong, can we all at least agree this pattern appears to be different, therefore offering a little bit more hope the changes made are in the right direction? This is the first GM plus HC change since Gettleman, and I'm seeing more changes being made as a whole across the entire NYG organization.

We have people who live and die football coming in, highly motivated, with a clear vision and opinion on who is worthy of their spot in the NYG offices and on the field. That has to feel good for a change, especially as they're not afraid to take action when they don't like something and they are making many large changes which they know will be their responsibility if success doesn't come within a reasonable time frame.

I think this is a different feeling over prior NYG changes, and I believe the turnaround will look a whole lot like the Bills turnaround, but it may or may not take an extra year if DJ doesn't work out (it won't be because of our new staff though, it wasn't their QB drafted), or if the QB class next year doesn't produce a solid QB choice who develops into a top 10 NFL QB. That's a risk in any draft, and I'd say most drafts only result in one or two QB's truly worth a high first round draft spot.

The worst case for this year, is a mediocre team directly as a result of DJ, because that means we'll need a QB and will need to trade up to draft a top prospect (we won't be the worst team in the league if DJ is mediocre, and this GM/HC won't tank the season for a draft pick).

If we're mediocre but DJ plays well, then we know we have the QB and just need to build around him, so it's not the end of the world. Therefore, using that logic, the NYG's near and long-term future all rests on who DJ truly is as an NFL QB. Thankfully, I think we're all on the same page given his contract, that even he knows, it will all be decided this season.

In comment 15696108 Sean said:

Quote:

I’ve been negative, and I’m not a Jones fan. But the annoyance about “reaching”, come on. The expectations all season included the following: -Mara would promote Abrams and keep Judge. -Mara would force an outside GM on Judge for a half measure. -Mara would force the HC hire on Schoen (Flores). -Mara would require Schoen to exercise Jones 5th year option. -Mara would not allow wholesale front office changes. Well, none of that has happened. Schoen was able to hire Brandon Brown and get rid of Pettit. I don’t see how anyone can be annoyed with the state of the Giants right now. Will it work? I don’t know, but change is happening.

Hiring Brandon Brown doesn't get enough attention. He's considering one of the really bright young minds among front offices and luring him away from the Eagles was a real coup.

about it during the draft and trying to think what to make of the fact the Giants clearly targeted multiple players from the same team, at first I thought it might mean he favored certain area scouts more than others and leaned on their reports. Then I was listening to the Talkin Giants podcast today and they made a really good point that Schoen always mentioned in his presser how it was himself, Bobby Johnson at the UNC Pro Day, someone else from the coaching staff etc that watched each of the guys they drafted. It was clear he favored the Coaches input on players than what the scouts brought to him. Should have been an indicator that Pettit was a goner.

In comment 15696460 Greg from LI said:

Quote:

Hiring Brandon Brown doesn't get enough attention. He's considering one of the really bright young minds among front offices and luring him away from the Eagles was a real coup.

It was a great hire. It's going to suck when another team hires him as a GM in a couple of years but at least it will net the Giants two comp 3rd round picks.

In comment 15696460 Greg from LI said:

Quote:

Hiring Brandon Brown doesn't get enough attention. He's considering one of the really bright young minds among front offices and luring him away from the Eagles was a real coup.

He's very young. If they clean up Gettleman's Chernobyl quickly than Brown is going have a very short stay.

In comment 15696453 jamison884 said:

Quote:

For both GM and the coaches, all prior to their first season. However, while still recognizing the NYG could have gotten this GM and this HC wrong, can we all at least agree this pattern appears to be different, therefore offering a little bit more hope the changes made are in the right direction? This is the first GM plus HC change since Gettleman, and I'm seeing more changes being made as a whole across the entire NYG organization. We have people who live and die football coming in, highly motivated, with a clear vision and opinion on who is worthy of their spot in the NYG offices and on the field. That has to feel good for a change, especially as they're not afraid to take action when they don't like something and they are making many large changes which they know will be their responsibility if success doesn't come within a reasonable time frame. I think this is a different feeling over prior NYG changes, and I believe the turnaround will look a whole lot like the Bills turnaround, but it may or may not take an extra year if DJ doesn't work out (it won't be because of our new staff though, it wasn't their QB drafted), or if the QB class next year doesn't produce a solid QB choice who develops into a top 10 NFL QB. That's a risk in any draft, and I'd say most drafts only result in one or two QB's truly worth a high first round draft spot. The worst case for this year, is a mediocre team directly as a result of DJ, because that means we'll need a QB and will need to trade up to draft a top prospect (we won't be the worst team in the league if DJ is mediocre, and this GM/HC won't tank the season for a draft pick). If we're mediocre but DJ plays well, then we know we have the QB and just need to build around him, so it's not the end of the world. Therefore, using that logic, the NYG's near and long-term future all rests on who DJ truly is as an NFL QB. Thankfully, I think we're all on the same page given his contract, that even he knows, it will all be decided this season.

I never had a good feeling about Gettleman

In comment 15696387 Eric from BBI said:

Quote:

In comment 15696377 capone said: Quote: . Link - ( New Window ) He’s a troll posting about a troll there has to be an exception for that it’s like algebra neg x neg That's a troll account. Please don't post.

In comment 15696356 Scooter185 said:

Quote:

Crusader is supposed to be, but he says JS leaking info is false @crusadersWR: This is completely false and negligible that you would put this out there. https://twitter.com/tommyg105/status/1521266275523178496 Which means it's probably true

CrusadersWR is Tim McDonnell.

He played WR at Holy Cross, who’s team name is the Crusaders. His bio states “Westchester bred. Family, Faith, Football”

Look who he’s following and who follows him. Atleast Jerry Collangelo had better burner accts

In comment 15696467 bw in dc said:

Quote:

In comment 15696460 Greg from LI said: Quote: Hiring Brandon Brown doesn't get enough attention. He's considering one of the really bright young minds among front offices and luring him away from the Eagles was a real coup. He's very young. If they clean up Gettleman's Chernobyl quickly than Brown is going have a very short stay.

That’s okay. NYG gets draft picks and Schoen can hire someone else. The Eagles are a feeder for front office talent, NYG should be too.

In comment 15696465 Jay on the Island said:

Quote:

It was a great hire. It's going to suck when another team hires him as a GM in a couple of years but at least it will net the Giants two comp 3rd round picks.

And so long as he helps them build the Giants back into a contender, I will wish him all the luck in the world.....so long as his interests don't conflict with ours 😁

In comment 15696106 Eric from BBI said:

Quote:

after the fist bumping in the draft room, I thought they were staying.

Things keep going differently in that office than what some were convinced would never change...

In comment 15696108 Sean said:

Quote:

I’ve been negative, and I’m not a Jones fan. But the annoyance about “reaching”, come on. The expectations all season included the following: -Mara would promote Abrams and keep Judge. -Mara would force an outside GM on Judge for a half measure. -Mara would force the HC hire on Schoen (Flores). -Mara would require Schoen to exercise Jones 5th year option. -Mara would not allow wholesale front office changes. Well, none of that has happened. Schoen was able to hire Brandon Brown and get rid of Pettit. I don’t see how anyone can be annoyed with the state of the Giants right now. Will it work? I don’t know, but change is happening.

I would have written the same post. Well done...

Schoen says he keeps leaving those racing sheets around everywhere and the place looks cluttered...

In comment 15696253 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
[quote] In comment 15696249 DieHard said:


Quote:


Q. Do you anticipate making any changes to the personnel staff, subtractions, additions?

JOE SCHOEN: I haven't even thought about that yet. I'm about ready to fall asleep on this microphone.

Clearly he had a nice rest and a good think...



I called BS on that thread. Haha. [/quote

Same. Didn't take a genius if I'm honest]

Did seem 'off' to me. I may just give Joey a pass.

In comment 15696112 Go Terps said:

Quote:

thank you, i laughed out loud.

and the also the poster who mentioned about the coaches being very involved this draft. Tisch's involvement is a good call as well. More important till more of his guys come in but the Asst. GM was a big get to start.

After 10 years of crap football you needed change and Mara is indeed stepping back for now.

I have been as frustrated with Mara as some. I also can understand his reluctance.

From 1979-2012 there are not many franchises who have the resume of this historic franchise. Some down years for sure but pretty damn good. The Giants Way produced 4 SB's. They certainly have reached to that past along the way. TC worked out. Dave didn't. Time to move on and take a different approach.

JS is running things. Let's hope he appreciates and reaches the standards here. He gets to see those four Lombardi's every day. The great players and coaches. This is not Buffalo with its barren trophy case. This is not Miami where you have to go back to the 70's for its last glory. They don't pat you on the back for long losing divisional games around here. I look forward to seeing how he does. So modernize as you see fit. Just don't forget those four SB teams across four decades had a lot of similar traits. Hope he includes those as well. He won't win number 5 without them.

I remember last year at this time I was talking myself into Kyle O’Brien being the next GM to be aligned with Judge. This is so beyond what I thought would ever be possible:

-Gettleman gone
-Koncz gone
-Pettit gone
-O’Brien gone
-Judge gone (still think he had an awful deal here)
-Schoen got to hire his own HC
-Brandon Brown hired from Eagles
-Jones option declined

I just never thought we’d get ALL of this.

Quote:

Q. What did you think of your first draft? Anything surprise you? JOE SCHOEN: Have to reflect on this tomorrow and throughout next week. It’s just different. You come in with a whole new staff, so you have a process in place, but where you used to look for answers when you had questions, you’re looking to different people, different scouts in the room that you haven’t worked with,} and our staff did a tremendous job. The coaching staff did a tremendous job.]

Maybe I'm looking for something that isn't there, but when I watched this on video, I felt he was actually saying he didn't have a sounding board he could trust.

Regardless, this is good news from the point of view that he is putting HIS people in place.

Very obvious to me at least that Pettit and O'Brien weren't going to be around very long after the draft.

Does McDonnell get moved to another position in the organization?

with departures at Jints Central.

That's of course if Schoen gets sign-off from Chris Mara first since they all report up to him and not the GM, right?

for me to buy in.

I'm in.

Now let's go win some freakin' games.

I'm pumped!

In comment 15696106 Eric from BBI said:

Quote:

after the fist bumping in the draft room, I thought they were staying.

In comment 15696098 Payasdaddy said:

Quote:

But its not like we are the only team that has them. We just focus on our own, like we should.

They must have.

In comment 15696563 Rick in Dallas said:

Quote:

Very obvious to me at least that Pettit and O'Brien weren't going to be around very long after the draft. Does McDonnell get moved to another position in the organization?

Tim McDonnell - Vice President of Electronic Communications, Emails & Texts

In comment 15696087 Andy in Halifax said:

Quote:

To identify the major leak. Cause for all talk of our interest predraft, we sure seemed to have minimal actual interest.

Agreed Andy.