"A new GM means changes, and the #Giants are moving on from Dir of College Scouting Chris Pettit & Sr. Personnel Executive Kyle O'Brien. Pettit had been w/team since '05, helping win 2 Super Bowls, while O'Brien, who has served w/#Jaguars, #Patriots, #Lions, arrived last spring."
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That's of course if Schoen gets sign-off from Chris Mara first since they all report up to him and not the GM, right?
Interesting to watch... one would think there are scouts who will go too, but then again, the source above said the scouts contracts have been renewed or told they will be back (here again and same guy who broke the story of the two being fired).
Neil Stratton @InsideTheLeague
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No (I don't, I'll let Art speak for himself). Area scouts have been extended or told they'll be back. Schoen expected to bring in colleagues from his previous stops in Buffalo and Miami to replace O'Brien & Pettit.
This was in response to Eric's 7:29 post.
Does McDonnell get moved to another position in the organization?
McDonnell is the future CEO of the franchise, he’s family and part of ownership. I wouldn’t waste energy on him. It’s the reality of a family run company.
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That's of course if Schoen gets sign-off from Chris Mara first since they all report up to him and not the GM, right?
Interesting to watch... one would think there are scouts who will go too, but then again, the source above said the scouts contracts have been renewed or told they will be back (here again and same guy who broke the story of the two being fired).
Neil Stratton @InsideTheLeague
Replying to @mjbrier and @art_stapleton
No (I don't, I'll let Art speak for himself). Area scouts have been extended or told they'll be back. Schoen expected to bring in colleagues from his previous stops in Buffalo and Miami to replace O'Brien & Pettit.
Logic would suggest they will all predominately be turned over. Maybe a couple impressed Schoen & Brown over the last few months and get some leeway for the next season.
But this Dept is now Schoen's baby to build up the way he wants, hire some new blood that he has relationships with in the industry and starting setting up his agenda.
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He has to build up relationships. It's not that he doesn't trust them, it's more thst trust gets built up over time. This isn't a Giants specific thing. It's just a life thing. It isn't a draft thing. It's in any job.
This was in response to Eric's 7:29 post.
You could be very much correct. As I said, I could be seeing something that isn't there.
However, my spidey sense is up. And my gut also tells me that Schoen may have relied on the coaching staff more than the Reese/Gettleman scouts. For example, how much of a role did Bobby Johnson (who worked in Buffalo with Schoen) have in the selections of the two NC guards? (Johnson was at that Pro Day working with them directly).
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He has to build up relationships. It's not that he doesn't trust them, it's more thst trust gets built up over time. This isn't a Giants specific thing. It's just a life thing. It isn't a draft thing. It's in any job.
This was in response to Eric's 7:29 post.
You could be very much correct. As I said, I could be seeing something that isn't there.
However, my spidey sense is up. And my gut also tells me that Schoen may have relied on the coaching staff more than the Reese/Gettleman scouts. For example, how much of a role did Bobby Johnson (who worked in Buffalo with Schoen) have in the selections of the two NC guards? (Johnson was at that Pro Day working with them directly).
I agree about the coaches.
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Very obvious to me at least that Pettit and O'Brien weren't going to be around very long after the draft.
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Of course he is and it was obvious from Mara s post season presser that was the case
But Maranoia is a hard thing to get past.
If it were your team would you just sit back and not be involved? I wouldn’t. Mara s have made mistakes, many the past decade. But they have been a staple of the NFL, and the Giants are a storied franchise under their ownership
I suspect that this coordination has been sorely lacking under Petit, along with a level of distrust on Petit's part that's proven to be ridiculously counter-productive. I have absolutely no knowledge of the inner workings of the Giants player personnel department, but I get a sense of smugness, of hubris emanating from the top, from a guy who thinks he's the smartest person in the room whose judgement must never be questioned.
To me, he looks like the worst kind of General - politician who doesn't care if his troops get slaughtered as long as none of the blame falls on him.
I suspect that this coordination has been sorely lacking under Petit, along with a level of distrust on Petit's part that's proven to be ridiculously counter-productive. I have absolutely no knowledge of the inner workings of the Giants player personnel department, but I get a sense of smugness, of hubris emanating from the top, from a guy who thinks he's the smartest person in the room whose judgement must never be questioned.
To me, he looks like the worst kind of General - politician who doesn't care if his troops get slaughtered as long as none of the blame falls on him.
He does give off that vibe.
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But I don't see how anyone can dispute the mounting evidence. Schoen is running his own show. Best of luck to him. And maybe give Mara a little credit for finally understanding that he needed to step all the way back.
Of course he is and it was obvious from Mara s post season presser that was the case
But Maranoia is a hard thing to get past.
This supposition now that because Mara says it we should believe it is absurd. There are good signs here so far. But we're very early in the story.
Time to modernize
He was clearly more comfortable with his coaching staff and his and Brown's eyes, than trusting the scouting group. I think knowing that Petit and O'Brien were heading up that group factored into that equation.
It's also, I think, why they stuck to major college programs, with players who had a lot of college experience for their draftees, and UDFA. Easier to get a read on those players, rather than prospects from smaller schools for this year.
If Gettlemen had taken Josh Allen, he would still have a job and so would Petit and a lot of other guys who have been let go.
I like how Schoen played the first round, especially the misdirection with Cross, which may have prevented another team from trading up and taking Neal. Very smart.
But until I see him acquire a franchise QB, he is just another hamster on the treadmill.
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Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out.
That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense.
This, plus the deft handling of tardy Toney, inspire confidence that new management knows what they’re doing.
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I could not be happier for Sy if that happened. He deserves a shot somewhere. Always with investigative and very detailed write-ups.
hmm , what? ... somebody call me?
He definitely looked like someone stole his lunch AND after school snack money.
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Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out.
That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense.
Schoen is a straight up gangsta.
That I believe. Petit is a turd.
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Rumor has it Schoen leaked false info to Petit, to see if it would get out.
That’s where we got the “In love with Cross” “Thibs off the board”, and “7th pick is up for sale” nonsense.
Schoen is a straight up gangsta.
That I believe. Petit is a turd.
Sure its plausible but coming from that Twitter doofus, no...not buying it. He's basically the equivalent of a BBI poster.
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I’ve been negative, and I’m not a Jones fan. But the annoyance about “reaching”, come on.
The expectations all season included the following:
-Mara would promote Abrams and keep Judge.
-Mara would force an outside GM on Judge for a half measure.
-Mara would force the HC hire on Schoen (Flores).
-Mara would require Schoen to exercise Jones 5th year option.
-Mara would not allow wholesale front office changes.
Well, none of that has happened. Schoen was able to hire Brandon Brown and get rid of Pettit. I don’t see how anyone can be annoyed with the state of the Giants right now. Will it work? I don’t know, but change is happening.
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I am still surprised the Giants even moved on from Eli MAnning. That wasn't supposed to happen until at least 2020 or so. I learned that here.
They weren't going to move on from Eli. They weren't going to draft a QB with Eli still here. They weren't going to fire Judge or even hire an outside the box HC like Judge in the first place. They weren't going to hire an outside the box GM like Schoen. Daboll. They'd never draft a diva personality again like Thibs (my thoughts truly)
Just because they still suck doesn't mean the Giants are reluctant to change. Mara has had NO problem firing people and over turning things time and time again. This is even more thorough of a purge.
Some of you manufacture fear that really isn't there. All we do is worry about Mara's tentacles infiltrating and ruining everything. It's probably much more simple than that. Maybe Mara just made bad hires. MAybe now he hired the right guy(s)
I promise you all, if Schoen is a good GM and Daboll is a good HC this team will win and soon. And Mara won't ruin anything.
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I’ve been negative, and I’m not a Jones fan. But the annoyance about “reaching”, come on.
The expectations all season included the following:
-Mara would promote Abrams and keep Judge.
-Mara would force an outside GM on Judge for a half measure.
-Mara would force the HC hire on Schoen (Flores).
-Mara would require Schoen to exercise Jones 5th year option.
-Mara would not allow wholesale front office changes.
Well, none of that has happened. Schoen was able to hire Brandon Brown and get rid of Pettit. I don’t see how anyone can be annoyed with the state of the Giants right now. Will it work? I don’t know, but change is happening.
THANK YOU.
I am still surprised the Giants even moved on from Eli MAnning. That wasn't supposed to happen until at least 2020 or so. I learned that here.
They weren't going to move on from Eli. They weren't going to draft a QB with Eli still here. They weren't going to fire Judge or even hire an outside the box HC like Judge in the first place. They weren't going to hire an outside the box GM like Schoen. Daboll. They'd never draft a diva personality again like Thibs (my thoughts truly)
Just because they still suck doesn't mean the Giants are reluctant to change. Mara has had NO problem firing people and over turning things time and time again. This is even more thorough of a purge.
Some of you manufacture fear that really isn't there. All we do is worry about Mara's tentacles infiltrating and ruining everything. It's probably much more simple than that. Maybe Mara just made bad hires. MAybe now he hired the right guy(s)
I promise you all, if Schoen is a good GM and Daboll is a good HC this team will win and soon. And Mara won't ruin anything.
It's been said a lot, but the point that people object to is the process, *how* we got to this awful 4 year run and the 7 years before then. It's not just hiring the wrong guy. It's how you come to a decision to hire the guy you did that people kick and scream about it.
Why did he hire Gettleman in the first place? That wasn't a coaching search it was an arranged marriage. No one thinks that was handled well.That set the table for failure.
Why is there a Mara as VP in the front office that John Mara tries to tell the media people he doesn't make decisions. All things that don't sit well.