The Eagles roster is MUCH better overall. Jordan Davis will be better than Fletcher Cox. Eagles win the division ,Dallas will be in the hunt for the wild card but ultimately fall short due to injuries.
If Jordan Davis will be better than Fletcher Cox, we made a huge mistake in taking Thibodeux. I'm not sure that he will be anywhere near Fletcher Cox. The Eagles were a 6 win team last year that just got fortunate to play a string of really really bad Qbs. Anytime they went against a good QB they got blown out of the building. Most of their topline talent is actually old. Slay is 31, Brandon Graham is 33 or 34, Lane Johnson is 32, Kelce is 33, Fletcher Cox is over 30. They are going to have to sign Sanders to a second RB contract which is usually a bad idea.
People are grossly overestimating the Eagles. Last year, teams had a tough time stopping their offense when the Eagles were able to run the ball because the defense got gassed because of the three and outs by the teams backup QBs. Look at our second game against them, the Philly offense did nothing in the first half, but our defense could not do anymore because our offense kept going three and out Look at their games against the Saints with their third string QB or Washington with a guy from a practice squad. We will see, but I think the Eagles are getting way too much hype if you look underneath the hood.
I don't think any of these QBs are good enough to say that
a team will win because of him. I also think the Cowboys take a step backwards (not that they were even that good last year). I think right now its wide open, but if I had to guess:
1) Philly
2) Cowboys
3) Giants
4) Skins
Commanders are tougher than you guys are giving them credit for
The Eagles roster is MUCH better overall. Jordan Davis will be better than Fletcher Cox. Eagles win the division ,Dallas will be in the hunt for the wild card but ultimately fall short due to injuries.
If Jordan Davis will be better than Fletcher Cox, we made a huge mistake in taking Thibodeux. I'm not sure that he will be anywhere near Fletcher Cox. The Eagles were a 6 win team last year that just got fortunate to play a string of really really bad Qbs. Anytime they went against a good QB they got blown out of the building. Most of their topline talent is actually old. Slay is 31, Brandon Graham is 33 or 34, Lane Johnson is 32, Kelce is 33, Fletcher Cox is over 30. They are going to have to sign Sanders to a second RB contract which is usually a bad idea.
People are grossly overestimating the Eagles. Last year, teams had a tough time stopping their offense when the Eagles were able to run the ball because the defense got gassed because of the three and outs by the teams backup QBs. Look at our second game against them, the Philly offense did nothing in the first half, but our defense could not do anymore because our offense kept going three and out Look at their games against the Saints with their third string QB or Washington with a guy from a practice squad. We will see, but I think the Eagles are getting way too much hype if you look underneath the hood.
My position on Davis was overstated. He "could" be better than Fletcher Cox. I really like the player. I think they are playmakers scattered all over that team. Can beat you multiple ways.
That said, they are very beatable because of the QB. Whole division is still the weakest in the league.
RE: I don't think any of these QBs are good enough to say that
a team will win because of him. I also think the Cowboys take a step backwards (not that they were even that good last year). I think right now its wide open, but if I had to guess:
1) Philly
2) Cowboys
3) Giants
4) Skins
Dallas won 12 games last year, and they weren't that good. Those two don't go together.
The Dallas schedule tells you that they will be at least a 10 win team. The worst division record for Dallas under Prescott was 3-3 his first year. Since then Dallas has been virtually unbeatable in the division.
Throw in Jacksonville, Houston, Chicago, and Detroit. Of those 10 games Dallas will probably go 8-2 or 7-3.
The other 7 games are LA, GB, TB, Minnesota, Tennessee, Indianapolis, and Cincinnati. Give Dallas a split 3-4 or 4-3 and you see that their floor is 10 wins.
Dallas will win the division and be in the race for homefield in the NFC.
Hurts was declared the full time starter last year for the first time. And the Eagles made the playoffs.
Always glad to help.
is overall record is under 500.
Always glad to help.
PS - his QBR (your favorite stat) was 48.5 - one could argue they won in SPITE of him, not because of him.
For whatever number of times expressed, I don't like Hurts. And if I was a fan of that hideous franchise, I would want to find another solution yesterday. But he does find ways to win.
Hurts was declared the full time starter last year for the first time. And the Eagles made the playoffs.
Always glad to help.
is overall record is under 500.
Always glad to help.
PS - his QBR (your favorite stat) was 48.5 - one could argue they won in SPITE of him, not because of him.
For whatever number of times expressed, I don't like Hurts. And if I was a fan of that hideous franchise, I would want to find another solution yesterday. But he does find ways to win.
Unlike our QB.
He finds a way to win, yet his career record is under 500.
Got it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Pretty straightforward to me...
For whatever number of times expressed, I don't like Hurts. And if I was a fan of that hideous franchise, I would want to find another solution yesterday. But he does find ways to win.
Unlike our QB.
He finds a way to win, yet his career record is under 500.
Got it.
I'm going to try this one more time. Hurts became the full-time starter in 2021. In 2020, he was a rookie who played a few games. The fairest way to evaluate him, then, is how he played as the starter for a full year, which was 2021. And the Eagles had a winning record and made the playoffs.
I mean, this isn't Advanced Placement Calculus here.
When trying to predict success there are obviously many factors to consider and QB certainly seems like it may be the most important one. However; looking at the NFC East starting in 2012 it didn't really work out that way. There was only one team with a QB who has a shot at the HOF in the division, Eli coming off his second SB MVP and in the his prime. The Giants haven't won the division since.
2012
Redskins* 10 6 (Griffin 15 starts and Cousins 1 start) - both QB's were rookies
New York Giants 9 7 (Romo-16 starts)
Dallas Cowboys 8 8 (Eli 16 starts)
Philadelphia 4 12 (Vick-10 starts and Foles-6 starts)
2013
Philadelphia Eagles* 10 6 (Vick-6 starts and Foles-10 starts)
Dallas Cowboys 8 8 (Romo-15 starts)
New York Giants 7 9 (Eli 16 starts)
Washington Redskins 3 13 (Griffin 13 starts and Cousins 3 starts)
2014
Cowboys* 12 4 (Romo-15 starts)
Philadelphia Eagles 10 6 (Foles-8 starts and Mark Sanchez 8 starts)
New York Giants 6 10 (Eli 16 starts)
Washington Redskins 4 12 (Griffin 7 starts and Cousins 5 starts and McCoy 4 starts)
2015
Washington Redskins* 9 7 (Cousins 16 starts)
Philadelphia Eagles 7 9 (Sam Bradford 14 starts and Mark Sanchez 2 starts)
New York Giants 6 10 (Eli 16 starts)
Dallas Cowboys 4 12 (Matt Cassel 7 starts - Romo 4 starts - Kellen Moore 2 starts and Brandon Wwwden 3 starts)
2016 Cowboys win division with a rookie fourth round draft pick at QB
2017 Eagles win the division and SB with Wentz and Foles
2018 Cowboys - Dak
Post Eli - he started 4 games
2019 Eagles - Wentz
2020 WFT - Alex Smith, Haskins and Kyle Allen
2021 Cowboys - Dak
Tough as nails, powerful who can win games. If the Eagles continue to have a very good OL he will get wins. If he has to win the game from the pocket without a run game probably not much more upside with him imv. Rookie contract sure. Highly paid QB requiring more QB'ing from the pocket unlikely.
I do think the Cowboys window is slowly closing, their best shot at making a deep run was probably last year imo. Still a talented team on paper.
So much for the Eagles depends on Hurts. I'm still not completely sold on what his ultimate upside is. But he definitely has some talented WRs to throw to now.
For whatever number of times expressed, I don't like Hurts. And if I was a fan of that hideous franchise, I would want to find another solution yesterday. But he does find ways to win.
Unlike our QB.
He finds a way to win, yet his career record is under 500.
Got it.
I'm going to try this one more time. Hurts became the full-time starter in 2021. In 2020, he was a rookie who played a few games. The fairest way to evaluate him, then, is how he played as the starter for a full year, which was 2021. And the Eagles had a winning record and made the playoffs.
I mean, this isn't Advanced Placement Calculus here.
Ok, fine - we'll play your game and throw out stats that hurt your argument.
His QBR for 2021 - again, that's your gold plated stat - was 48.5. To put in perspective how awful that is, Jones had a QBR rating that was higher than that in two of his three seasons.
So how much of the winning can really be attributed to him? Maybe - just maybe - they won games in spite of him and not because of him?
But I'm guessing now will once again the time you downplay QBR, as you have been known to do when it doesn't support your argument.
For whatever number of times expressed, I don't like Hurts. And if I was a fan of that hideous franchise, I would want to find another solution yesterday. But he does find ways to win.
Unlike our QB.
He finds a way to win, yet his career record is under 500.
Got it.
I'm going to try this one more time. Hurts became the full-time starter in 2021. In 2020, he was a rookie who played a few games. The fairest way to evaluate him, then, is how he played as the starter for a full year, which was 2021. And the Eagles had a winning record and made the playoffs.
I mean, this isn't Advanced Placement Calculus here.
Ok, fine - we'll play your game and throw out stats that hurt your argument.
His QBR for 2021 - again, that's your gold plated stat - was 48.5. To put in perspective how awful that is, Jones had a QBR rating that was higher than that in two of his three seasons.
So how much of the winning can really be attributed to him? Maybe - just maybe - they won games in spite of him and not because of him?
But I'm guessing now will once again the time you downplay QBR, as you have been known to do when it doesn't support your argument.
Or maybe they won because they played against a bunch of practice squad qbs
Personally I think Washington is going to be better than
what's being said here -- and that both Washington and Philly are improved over last year
Never-the-less, while I don't think that the Cowboys are necessarily improved, they dominated the division last year, so they are the clear favorites to do it again until proven otherwise - or they injure themselves out of contention
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As long as Jalen Hurts is the QB, I'm not buying them. Yes, he is a winner and figures it out somehow.
LOL, what??
His W/L record is 9-10
Hurts was declared the full time starter last year for the first time. And the Eagles made the playoffs.
Always glad to help.
is overall record is under 500.
Always glad to help.
PS - his QBR (your favorite stat) was 48.5 - one could argue they won in SPITE of him, not because of him.
If Jordan Davis will be better than Fletcher Cox, we made a huge mistake in taking Thibodeux. I'm not sure that he will be anywhere near Fletcher Cox. The Eagles were a 6 win team last year that just got fortunate to play a string of really really bad Qbs. Anytime they went against a good QB they got blown out of the building. Most of their topline talent is actually old. Slay is 31, Brandon Graham is 33 or 34, Lane Johnson is 32, Kelce is 33, Fletcher Cox is over 30. They are going to have to sign Sanders to a second RB contract which is usually a bad idea.
People are grossly overestimating the Eagles. Last year, teams had a tough time stopping their offense when the Eagles were able to run the ball because the defense got gassed because of the three and outs by the teams backup QBs. Look at our second game against them, the Philly offense did nothing in the first half, but our defense could not do anymore because our offense kept going three and out Look at their games against the Saints with their third string QB or Washington with a guy from a practice squad. We will see, but I think the Eagles are getting way too much hype if you look underneath the hood.
1) Philly
2) Cowboys
3) Giants
4) Skins
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Their D-Line is possibly the best in the NFL. They can cause havoc to any offense.
Dark cloud over that franchise right now. Rivera is a good coach but, some real bad juju in DC right now.
True that. Par for the course with ol' Danny boy. Commander Failure.
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The Eagles roster is MUCH better overall. Jordan Davis will be better than Fletcher Cox. Eagles win the division ,Dallas will be in the hunt for the wild card but ultimately fall short due to injuries.
If Jordan Davis will be better than Fletcher Cox, we made a huge mistake in taking Thibodeux. I'm not sure that he will be anywhere near Fletcher Cox. The Eagles were a 6 win team last year that just got fortunate to play a string of really really bad Qbs. Anytime they went against a good QB they got blown out of the building. Most of their topline talent is actually old. Slay is 31, Brandon Graham is 33 or 34, Lane Johnson is 32, Kelce is 33, Fletcher Cox is over 30. They are going to have to sign Sanders to a second RB contract which is usually a bad idea.
People are grossly overestimating the Eagles. Last year, teams had a tough time stopping their offense when the Eagles were able to run the ball because the defense got gassed because of the three and outs by the teams backup QBs. Look at our second game against them, the Philly offense did nothing in the first half, but our defense could not do anymore because our offense kept going three and out Look at their games against the Saints with their third string QB or Washington with a guy from a practice squad. We will see, but I think the Eagles are getting way too much hype if you look underneath the hood.
That said, they are very beatable because of the QB. Whole division is still the weakest in the league.
1) Philly
2) Cowboys
3) Giants
4) Skins
Dallas won 12 games last year, and they weren't that good. Those two don't go together.
The Dallas schedule tells you that they will be at least a 10 win team. The worst division record for Dallas under Prescott was 3-3 his first year. Since then Dallas has been virtually unbeatable in the division.
Throw in Jacksonville, Houston, Chicago, and Detroit. Of those 10 games Dallas will probably go 8-2 or 7-3.
The other 7 games are LA, GB, TB, Minnesota, Tennessee, Indianapolis, and Cincinnati. Give Dallas a split 3-4 or 4-3 and you see that their floor is 10 wins.
Dallas will win the division and be in the race for homefield in the NFC.
Hurts was declared the full time starter last year for the first time. And the Eagles made the playoffs.
Always glad to help.
is overall record is under 500.
Always glad to help.
PS - his QBR (your favorite stat) was 48.5 - one could argue they won in SPITE of him, not because of him.
For whatever number of times expressed, I don't like Hurts. And if I was a fan of that hideous franchise, I would want to find another solution yesterday. But he does find ways to win.
Unlike our QB.
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Their D-Line is possibly the best in the NFL. They can cause havoc to any offense.
Dark cloud over that franchise right now. Rivera is a good coach but, some real bad juju in DC right now.
They were a good defense on paper last season, but still ended up 7-10 and conceded 434 points - more than the Giants did.
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Hurts was declared the full time starter last year for the first time. And the Eagles made the playoffs.
Always glad to help.
is overall record is under 500.
Always glad to help.
PS - his QBR (your favorite stat) was 48.5 - one could argue they won in SPITE of him, not because of him.
For whatever number of times expressed, I don't like Hurts. And if I was a fan of that hideous franchise, I would want to find another solution yesterday. But he does find ways to win.
Unlike our QB.
He finds a way to win, yet his career record is under 500.
Got it.
For whatever number of times expressed, I don't like Hurts. And if I was a fan of that hideous franchise, I would want to find another solution yesterday. But he does find ways to win.
Unlike our QB.
He finds a way to win, yet his career record is under 500.
Got it.
I'm going to try this one more time. Hurts became the full-time starter in 2021. In 2020, he was a rookie who played a few games. The fairest way to evaluate him, then, is how he played as the starter for a full year, which was 2021. And the Eagles had a winning record and made the playoffs.
I mean, this isn't Advanced Placement Calculus here.
2012
Redskins* 10 6 (Griffin 15 starts and Cousins 1 start) - both QB's were rookies
New York Giants 9 7 (Romo-16 starts)
Dallas Cowboys 8 8 (Eli 16 starts)
Philadelphia 4 12 (Vick-10 starts and Foles-6 starts)
2013
Philadelphia Eagles* 10 6 (Vick-6 starts and Foles-10 starts)
Dallas Cowboys 8 8 (Romo-15 starts)
New York Giants 7 9 (Eli 16 starts)
Washington Redskins 3 13 (Griffin 13 starts and Cousins 3 starts)
2014
Cowboys* 12 4 (Romo-15 starts)
Philadelphia Eagles 10 6 (Foles-8 starts and Mark Sanchez 8 starts)
New York Giants 6 10 (Eli 16 starts)
Washington Redskins 4 12 (Griffin 7 starts and Cousins 5 starts and McCoy 4 starts)
2015
Washington Redskins* 9 7 (Cousins 16 starts)
Philadelphia Eagles 7 9 (Sam Bradford 14 starts and Mark Sanchez 2 starts)
New York Giants 6 10 (Eli 16 starts)
Dallas Cowboys 4 12 (Matt Cassel 7 starts - Romo 4 starts - Kellen Moore 2 starts and Brandon Wwwden 3 starts)
2016 Cowboys win division with a rookie fourth round draft pick at QB
2017 Eagles win the division and SB with Wentz and Foles
2018 Cowboys - Dak
Post Eli - he started 4 games
2019 Eagles - Wentz
2020 WFT - Alex Smith, Haskins and Kyle Allen
2021 Cowboys - Dak
I do think the Cowboys window is slowly closing, their best shot at making a deep run was probably last year imo. Still a talented team on paper.
So much for the Eagles depends on Hurts. I'm still not completely sold on what his ultimate upside is. But he definitely has some talented WRs to throw to now.
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For whatever number of times expressed, I don't like Hurts. And if I was a fan of that hideous franchise, I would want to find another solution yesterday. But he does find ways to win.
Unlike our QB.
He finds a way to win, yet his career record is under 500.
Got it.
I'm going to try this one more time. Hurts became the full-time starter in 2021. In 2020, he was a rookie who played a few games. The fairest way to evaluate him, then, is how he played as the starter for a full year, which was 2021. And the Eagles had a winning record and made the playoffs.
I mean, this isn't Advanced Placement Calculus here.
Ok, fine - we'll play your game and throw out stats that hurt your argument.
His QBR for 2021 - again, that's your gold plated stat - was 48.5. To put in perspective how awful that is, Jones had a QBR rating that was higher than that in two of his three seasons.
So how much of the winning can really be attributed to him? Maybe - just maybe - they won games in spite of him and not because of him?
But I'm guessing now will once again the time you downplay QBR, as you have been known to do when it doesn't support your argument.
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In comment 15696889 bw in dc said:
For whatever number of times expressed, I don't like Hurts. And if I was a fan of that hideous franchise, I would want to find another solution yesterday. But he does find ways to win.
Unlike our QB.
He finds a way to win, yet his career record is under 500.
Got it.
I'm going to try this one more time. Hurts became the full-time starter in 2021. In 2020, he was a rookie who played a few games. The fairest way to evaluate him, then, is how he played as the starter for a full year, which was 2021. And the Eagles had a winning record and made the playoffs.
I mean, this isn't Advanced Placement Calculus here.
Ok, fine - we'll play your game and throw out stats that hurt your argument.
His QBR for 2021 - again, that's your gold plated stat - was 48.5. To put in perspective how awful that is, Jones had a QBR rating that was higher than that in two of his three seasons.
So how much of the winning can really be attributed to him? Maybe - just maybe - they won games in spite of him and not because of him?
But I'm guessing now will once again the time you downplay QBR, as you have been known to do when it doesn't support your argument.
Or maybe they won because they played against a bunch of practice squad qbs
Never-the-less, while I don't think that the Cowboys are necessarily improved, they dominated the division last year, so they are the clear favorites to do it again until proven otherwise - or they injure themselves out of contention
I think Philly's season depends on Hurts. Will he progress, or will NFL defenses have a years worth of film on him and game-plan accordingly?
I think the Commanders and the Giants should improve; but how much?
Health is always the big wildcard.
So it's totally open. I wouldn't count out the Commanders or the Giants.