Ken Sternfeld and Matt Schauger gone

long overdue imv...

versus having to do it all day long...


New York Giants Team Administration – Pro Personnel and College Scouting:

Director of Player Personnel: Tim McDonnell
Director of College Scouting: Chris Pettit
College Scouting Coordinator: Ryan Hollern
Pro Personnel Manager: Steven Price
Senior Pro Personnel Executive: Ken Sternfeld
Pro Personnel Executive Scout: Jeremiah Davis
Pro Personnel Senior Scout/Football Systems Analyst: Matt Shauger
Pro Personnel Scouts: Nick La Testa and Corey Lockett
College Scouting Senior Personnel Executive: Kyle O’Brien
College Regional Scout: Jeremy Breit
College Area Scouts: D.J. Boisture (West), Hannah Burnett (Midlands), Marcus Cooper (Southeast), Patrick Hanscomb (Mid-Atlantic), Marquis Pendleton (Northeast), Brendan Prophett (Midwest)
BLESTO College Scout: Blaise Bell

The name at the top of the list will very likely remain.

because that is what is happening right now.

I wouldn't buy any jerseys of any players brought into this organization before Kayvon Thibodeaux. Anyone on this roster before him was either a 1 year stopgap or just lost all their advocates.

for 10, 15, nearly 20 years?

In comment 15696877 Go Terps said:

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I wouldn't buy any jerseys of any players brought into this organization before Kayvon Thibodeaux. Anyone on this roster before him was either a 1 year stopgap or just lost all their advocates.

+1

In comment 15696877 Go Terps said:

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I wouldn't buy any jerseys of any players brought into this organization before Kayvon Thibodeaux. Anyone on this roster before him was either a 1 year stopgap or just lost all their advocates.

I'm guessing Thomas and McKinney could stay a while, but other than that, I agree.

The self, pro, and college scouting for this team has been rotten for at least a decade.

While I don't completely agree with Terps that there are no salvageable players -- I wouldn't be on there being many.

Schoen is telling is in direct terms system he inherited sucked and produced bad results.

Why do you think he drafted so many players he and Brown visited in person? Those are the only two people in the building the last month he trusted.

In comment 15696886 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 15696877 Go Terps said: Quote: I wouldn't buy any jerseys of any players brought into this organization before Kayvon Thibodeaux. Anyone on this roster before him was either a 1 year stopgap or just lost all their advocates. I'm guessing Thomas and McKinney could stay a while, but other than that, I agree.

They just drafted a guy that plays the same position as Thomas, and McKinney plays what Schoen wouldn't consider a "premium position". I don't know...

And, in any case, do we have another starting quality tackle? Seems that everyone expects Ezeudu to play inside.

But it is a results oriented business & business has sucked lately.

I think, though, that if a player is showing they can be a REALLY good player (like Thomas and McKinney), he would be inclined to keep them, if for no other reason than: 1. he has bigger personnel problems and
2. he would want to see how they do in the new systems.
Identifying who can be part of the solution, is a real important part of manageing.

Thomas ain’t going anywhere

Tim McDonnell, so that's interesting.

otherwise you can easily challenge his future here.

Finally seeing a true house cleaning?? Open the windows and let some fresh air and new ideas to righting this ship

Senior guys like Petit and O'Brien getting fired isn't that extraordinary -- it's par for the course when a new GM comes to town. But now we're cutting guys who have been with the org for decades. Clearly a major revamp is happening.

As for no returning player "being safe": this will disappoint those who want the entire roster executed for the sin of giving them bad football, but I think Schoen and Daboll are going to be rational and measured about it, just as they seem to be about everything else. Dave on the UWS has it right -- they're going to see how these guys do with new (hopefully improved) coaching before any decisions are made. Jettisoning good players because they were on a bad team that pissed you off isn't a strategy based on logic.

is connected to Tom Boisture who was prominent with those 80 teams.

But also continually dinged. As JonC noted his foot and ankle better heal or he's on the block too.

In comment 15696939 Bleedin Blue said:

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Finally seeing a true house cleaning?? Open the windows and let some fresh air and new ideas to righting this ship

Its been this way for months, people didn't want to believe it (I get that). But if you aren't convinced by now you never will be.

messing around.

In comment 15696854 Rick in Dallas said:

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long overdue imv...

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I don't know about you folks, but I feel it is long overdue.
It's obvious what was at play, kept personnel here thru the draft, and then Schoen said sayonara, I love it.

Abrams sucks at his job too.

If so this is hilarious
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In comment 15696936 JonC said:

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otherwise you can easily challenge his future here.

Let’s get him out of here pronto. ASAP.

In comment 15696954 JoeyBigBlue said:

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In comment 15696936 JonC said: Quote: otherwise you can easily challenge his future here. Let’s get him out of here pronto. ASAP.

Got something on your mind?

In comment 15696919 djm said:

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Thomas ain’t going anywhere

Not this year, and probably not next. But after that I'm not convinced he sees another deal here. I'm also not convinced Neal is a right tackle long term.

was/is as puff perfect per Giants' Way as Petit's

In comment 15696947 Eric from BBI said:

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messing around.

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Schoen is putting more of his imprint on the organization,
as he should. Heck, he mentioned he didn't like the way the draft room and 'board' was set up too. It might seem like a simple thing, but he is paying attention to detail, this organization needs that.

In comment 15696944 Joey in VA said:

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But also continually dinged. As JonC noted his foot and ankle better heal or he's on the block too.

It is just the same injury, not continually dinged, just one injury.
And yes, if the wheel continues to be bad, he will be gone. This guy ain't messing around.

In comment 15696878 j_rud said:

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for 10, 15, nearly 20 years?

“When you’re here, you’re family”

In comment 15696877 Go Terps said:

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I wouldn't buy any jerseys of any players brought into this organization before Kayvon Thibodeaux. Anyone on this roster before him was either a 1 year stopgap or just lost all their advocates.

I don't think he's got the same "I'm going to get rid of any player before my time because GRAAAR" mindset Gettleman had.

Andrew Thomas and McKinney are two players who likely aren't going anywhere.

In comment 15696962 section125 said:

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In comment 15696944 Joey in VA said: Quote: But also continually dinged. As JonC noted his foot and ankle better heal or he's on the block too. It is just the same injury, not continually dinged, just one injury. And yes, if the wheel continues to be bad, he will be gone. This guy ain't messing around.

Chronic is chronic, he came here from college with it and it has persisted. Let's not split hairs, let's hope they fix it.

In comment 15696957 Go Terps said:

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In comment 15696919 djm said: Quote: Thomas ain’t going anywhere Not this year, and probably not next. But after that I'm not convinced he sees another deal here. I'm also not convinced Neal is a right tackle long term.

So the Giants aren’t going to pick up his 5th year option? He’ll be sent packing after year 4.

With Same lousy draft picks, same lousy scouts?

I'm gonna say they would have won ten games each of those years and Buffalo would have won 6 or so with Danny Jones as QB.

These are the same scouts who found Brandon Jacobs in the 4th round, Justin Tuck in the 3rd. Who found Victor Cruz and drafted JPP, Osi, Nicks,Steve Smith, Corey Webster.

I would not be so quick to think "new" means "better."

In comment 15696891 Go Terps said:

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In comment 15696886 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 15696877 Go Terps said: Quote: I wouldn't buy any jerseys of any players brought into this organization before Kayvon Thibodeaux. Anyone on this roster before him was either a 1 year stopgap or just lost all their advocates. I'm guessing Thomas and McKinney could stay a while, but other than that, I agree. They just drafted a guy that plays the same position as Thomas, and McKinney plays what Schoen wouldn't consider a "premium position". I don't know...

Neal was clearly drafted to play right tackle. Anybody we got down in the lower rounds is a lottery ticket/depth.

In comment 15696974 Vanzetti said:

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With Same lousy draft picks, same lousy scouts? I'm gonna say they would have won ten games each of those years and Buffalo would have won 6 or so with Danny Jones as QB. These are the same scouts who found Brandon Jacobs in the 4th round, Justin Tuck in the 3rd. Who found Victor Cruz and drafted JPP, Osi, Nicks,Steve Smith, Corey Webster. I would not be so quick to think "new" means "better."

Would you want the 2022 versions of these guys on the roster right now?

Sometimes the game passes you by.

are a lot easier to move on from than top 10 players in the draft, one who also happens to be your starting LT.
Lets not compare apples and oranges. Thomas isn't going anywhere, now if it continues to be an issue down the road.
The young man is only going into his 3rd season, it's not like
he in his 5th season, like somebody else we know.

Anyone who was onboard with the signings of Golladay and Solder should be out.

Pro scouting wasn’t good since Gettleman was first promoted.

Golladay was O'Brien's idea, he brought a few stinkers here from the NFCN.

a seed about Neal at guard and some scout's takes I saw said that's his best position. Keeping adding talent each year. Where everyone should play and who stays or goes will be clear. The important thing is that the OL is good, deep and cost effective. Big mistake the Giants made with the last really good OL was they kept too many of those guys past expiration and they were expensive.

if thomas goes out and continues to prove himself to be a top OT, the return on the trade market is enormous for that position. if the team feels neal can move over to LT in a few years and play at a similar or better level than thomas, i can definitely see them trading thomas at some point for draft capital rather than paying 2 OT big money. look at what tunsil netted miami

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Golladay was O'Brien's idea, he brought a few stinkers here from the NFCN.

This seemed pretty clear. Judge worked with him for a while and O'Brien/Patricia in Detroit. It just lines up but who knows for sure.

In comment 15696987 JonC said:

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Golladay was O'Brien's idea, he brought a few stinkers here from the NFCN.

Giants seemed to be infatuated with Golladay before O'brien was brought in - almost trading for him in 2020 at the deadline.

Lot of decision makers with nostalgia for 2007, trying to find a new Plax I'm thinking.
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He's already said the procedure he had AFTER his rookie season was not successful, and he's had MUCH better results from this past off-season. He expects (as we do) to be 100% for this year. Now, that being said, if he continues to have issues with it (definition of a "chronic" issue), then they should NOT sign him to a second contract. That would not be smart.

As fans we're also attached to him because he played well amid a dumpster fire.

But, only bad GMs throw out quality players because they're someone else's legacy.

I bet Andrew Thomas finishes his rookie deal here. The real talking point is would they pay him Left Tackle Money or just move neal over

In comment 15696936 JonC said:

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otherwise you can easily challenge his future here.

Yeah this is the only thing that I see that could hold Thomas back at this point. He’s definitely good enough to be a cornerstone player. But the foot and ankle stuff is worrying

In comment 15697007 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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As fans we're also attached to him because he played well amid a dumpster fire. But, only bad GMs throw out quality players because they're someone else's legacy. I bet Andrew Thomas finishes his rookie deal here. The real talking point is would they pay him Left Tackle Money or just move neal over

I'm not suggesting they throw Thomas out; I just don't think they drafted Neal #7 overall to be anything other than the left tackle.

I do think it's possible Thomas, McKinney, and or Ojulari could be traded at some point before the contract question comes up.

In comment 15696976 FStubbs said:

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In comment 15696891 Go Terps said: Quote: In comment 15696886 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 15696877 Go Terps said: Quote: I wouldn't buy any jerseys of any players brought into this organization before Kayvon Thibodeaux. Anyone on this roster before him was either a 1 year stopgap or just lost all their advocates. I'm guessing Thomas and McKinney could stay a while, but other than that, I agree. They just drafted a guy that plays the same position as Thomas, and McKinney plays what Schoen wouldn't consider a "premium position". I don't know... Neal was clearly drafted to play right tackle. Anybody we got down in the lower rounds is a lottery ticket/depth.

Neal was drafted to play RT right now. But he also gives them the flexibility to make an objective and detached decision about Thomas when that time comes.