Who on this squad is capable of covering the Eagles AJ Brown?
that would have been an issue next year when Bradberry was a FA.
No move should be made for just 1 year. That would be short sighted. This was always going to be a multi year rebuild. Bad drafts and horrendous FA signings (cap issues). Caused that.
No way is Schoen going to make this team super competitive in year 1. Hopefully by fixing the OL the offense looks like a modern offense and I would take that as a win this year.
You don't keep Bradberry or hurt your future cap down the road because you are going all out in year 1 when we still have so many question marks and holes to fill.
I wouldn't give him a long term deal. I would apply the franchise tag to allow the Giants another year to draft a suitable replacement at a fraction of the cost.
So if he wins both the League MVP and Super Bowl MVP, you wouldn't even bother to negotiate a long term deal? You would tell him to take his League MVP and Super Bowl MVP and go fuck himself? That would go over great in the locker room!
I wonder who they tried to trade up for in the fourth round? Otton?
I would guess either Otton or Winfrey. If it was Bellinger they were trying to trade up for then Schoen would have said that.
yeah it seems like "tried" to trade up meaning most likely there target got snatched up.
Otherwise he could have said they ended up stay pat and there guy dropped.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was Otton. Mentioned on the thread that day when the round started he was probably best on the board and we were clearly looking at TE at that point.
Have a feeling they settled for Bellinger because of it...
while Barkley can be an asset THIS YEAR, they won’t resign him because it’s not a position that he will put dollars into. As was pointed out above, far more likely they trade him mid season, or let him walk and figure I to the comp formula for the 23 draft.
When they were talking about Bradberry, there was a nugget that Skinner missed when he talked about him.
It seems they had a few deals structured to trade him, had the compensation worked out, but Bradberry and those teams couldn’t come to agreement. ( I’m assuming on an extension). So no deals. They also talked to his agent about what could be done between NY and him (extension, void years, etc) but also no dice. Seems like, after agreeing to re- structure twice last year (thanks Dave), he’s not inclined to do anything else now and is forcing his release.
Post June 1 release, 10 million + saved, move along to next problem.
It's insight into their idea of positional value, which is good to see. They wanted Gardner, they wanted Thibs enough that they were willing to take their second choice but closely similar rated RT. They targeted a specific skillset at WR.
you beat me to it. There is only one professional option to address Kim Jones in that setting. By her first name just the way every male in that room was addressed. Gettleman is an asshole as a person and was an unprofessional embarrassment as a GM and public face of the Giants. But it doesn't surprise me that the Giants didn't do anything about it. Look at who they have represent them as a PR person.
Every team believes in positional value, that's why franchise tags are separated by position and there's arbitration over whether someone played DT or DE. It doesn't mean only QBs get paid and everyone else gets the minimum. It means players are compared to others at their position when negotiating contracts. And that's what will happen for Barkley. It's amazing that I need to remind people of this.
p.s.--How sad for Go Terps that he will go into the season hoping with his fingers and toes crossed that Jones and Barkley do poorly.
Yes I'm wishing and hoping for Jones and Barkley to do well because if they're doing well the Giants are doing well. Not that it isn't possible for the Giants to do well without them, but if they are doing well the Giants are surely doing well. And despite your declaration of opinion as fact, there exists the possibility that either or both will have productive seasons that warrant a second contract. It would not be unprecedented, it would not require divine intervention.
Can Jones be an elite QB like Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Warner, and Brees? Extremely doubtful. Can he be a good to very good QB who can win you Super Bowls like Simms and Eli? Possibly. There were times early on when Eli looked awful and Simms's early days included being benched for Scott Brunner. My best guess is that Jones--assuming he avoids injury--performs well enough for the Giants to have a winning season, but not necessarily well enough for franchise QB money. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he gets injured and the jury remains out on him until he proves he can stay healthy.
As for Barkley, it's all about returning to his 2018 capabilities. Is it possible? I have no idea, but it wouldn't be unprecedented. And the 2018 Barkley with three more years of experience in the NFL game is certainly worthy of the franchise tag.
that would have been an issue next year when Bradberry was a FA.
No move should be made for just 1 year. That would be short sighted. This was always going to be a multi year rebuild. Bad drafts and horrendous FA signings (cap issues). Caused that.
No way is Schoen going to make this team super competitive in year 1. Hopefully by fixing the OL the offense looks like a modern offense and I would take that as a win this year.
You don't keep Bradberry or hurt your future cap down the road because you are going all out in year 1 when we still have so many question marks and holes to fill.
Let the young guys play and see what we have.
Agreed.
Excellent interview.
I wonder who they tried to trade up for in the fourth round? Otton?
I would guess either Otton or Winfrey. If it was Bellinger they were trying to trade up for then Schoen would have said that.
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Agreed.
Excellent interview.
I wonder who they tried to trade up for in the fourth round? Otton?
I would guess either Otton or Winfrey. If it was Bellinger they were trying to trade up for then Schoen would have said that.
yeah it seems like "tried" to trade up meaning most likely there target got snatched up.
Otherwise he could have said they ended up stay pat and there guy dropped.
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Agreed.
Excellent interview.
I wonder who they tried to trade up for in the fourth round? Otton?
I would guess either Otton or Winfrey. If it was Bellinger they were trying to trade up for then Schoen would have said that.
yeah it seems like "tried" to trade up meaning most likely there target got snatched up.
Otherwise he could have said they ended up stay pat and there guy dropped.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was Otton. Mentioned on the thread that day when the round started he was probably best on the board and we were clearly looking at TE at that point.
Have a feeling they settled for Bellinger because of it...
Florio gets a lot of shit for having poked fun at every team at some point, but he does do a decent interview.
Toney hasn't shown he can score from anywhere yet.
When they were talking about Bradberry, there was a nugget that Skinner missed when he talked about him.
It seems they had a few deals structured to trade him, had the compensation worked out, but Bradberry and those teams couldn’t come to agreement. ( I’m assuming on an extension). So no deals. They also talked to his agent about what could be done between NY and him (extension, void years, etc) but also no dice. Seems like, after agreeing to re- structure twice last year (thanks Dave), he’s not inclined to do anything else now and is forcing his release.
Post June 1 release, 10 million + saved, move along to next problem.
Heard teams may trade up to #6 for Kayvon.
Supposedly Seattle absolutely loved him
p.s.--How sad for Go Terps that he will go into the season hoping with his fingers and toes crossed that Jones and Barkley do poorly.
Can Jones be an elite QB like Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Warner, and Brees? Extremely doubtful. Can he be a good to very good QB who can win you Super Bowls like Simms and Eli? Possibly. There were times early on when Eli looked awful and Simms's early days included being benched for Scott Brunner. My best guess is that Jones--assuming he avoids injury--performs well enough for the Giants to have a winning season, but not necessarily well enough for franchise QB money. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he gets injured and the jury remains out on him until he proves he can stay healthy.
As for Barkley, it's all about returning to his 2018 capabilities. Is it possible? I have no idea, but it wouldn't be unprecedented. And the 2018 Barkley with three more years of experience in the NFL game is certainly worthy of the franchise tag.