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Will defenses compress the LOS against the Giants?

M.S. : 5/5/2022 7:31 am

With WRs such as Kadarius Toney and Wan'Dale Robinson, the expectation is that the Gants will run several jet sweeps, slip screens and short, sudden crossing patterns. Both are fast, but neither one has a reputation for ripping the top of a defense. And getting behind the secondary is not Kenny Golladay's game.

So, will the Giants offense face 7, 8 or 9 defenders pressed up against the LOS? And, if so, what is the counter to that? Perhaps Saquon Barkley is the one the Giants can use as a deep weapon? Or maybe Kenny Golladay going up for jump balls one-on-one with safeties?

Any thoughts / viewpoints much appreciated. Thanks is advance.
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Facts...  
Dnew15 : 5/5/2022 12:37 pm : link
but if we have to lose 35-27 this year so be it.

At least they go down swinging. Set it up so the Giants can start winning games 45-35 the following year.

No more falling on your sword - ie QB sneaks out of your own end zone - because your too scared to take ANY chances. No more letting the opposition slowly matriculate down the field when the Giants are up 2 with less than two minutes to play. Let's just F'n go for the throat. Get that winning mentality.

I'd rather they go out in a blaze of glory than like a coward. Maybe this team will grow a set if they're allowed to.

AND you know what - start that shit in preseason game one. They have to snap this losing mentality somehow, some way...and the only way to do it is to start winning.
RE: I am actually surprised they cut bait on Ross...  
markky : 5/5/2022 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15699116 Johnny5 said:
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... right away. He seemed decent FA signing to me and had speed to take the top off. And he was better than Slayton... at least last year.


That was my first thought when I read the OP. He was better than I expected.
I thought Pettis  
Grizz99 : 5/5/2022 12:52 pm : link
Showed well and offered both potential and value.
It is one way to do it  
Thegratefulhead : 5/5/2022 1:16 pm : link
They can bring everyone up, that can work if it flusters Jones. However, those players have plus plus 10 yard spilts. They will get separation in a hurry and because the defense is up, is a shorter throw to go over the top, easier to execute. The other thing is if Jones can identify the 1 v 1, if the defense is crowding the line, make one guy miss and you are running a long way free.
Toney  
JonC : 5/5/2022 1:24 pm : link
needs to actually be available to practice and follow through.
RE: Defenses wiill make Jones beat them  
Adirondack GMen : 5/5/2022 1:45 pm : link
In comment 15699078 Producer said:
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They will test his ability to perform the quick-thinking, quick strike game. Jones will have to process quickly and clearly, something he has never been particularly good at. And while playing at an accelerated speed he will have to be deadly accurate in the short game, another thing he has been poor at.


Jones should use pump fakes to help receivers get separation or at the very least create a seam.
Just the way we drew it up in the dirt in Queens
A lot of different types of Defenses are used against the Giants  
Jimmy Googs : 5/5/2022 1:48 pm : link
and all pretty successful.

Many teams just play regular base defense as well as Jones & Co. haven't really figured out yet how to convert many third downs in succession and/or actually score once in the red zone so no need to get too cute...
RE: Here's what Toney can do  
BSIMatt : 5/5/2022 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15699291 Rod in St Cloud said:
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Run, pass, catch, return and break the opponent's ankles. Toney Highlights with commentary - ( New Window )


Yes, when Toney is on the field..he is a problem for defensive coordinators to account for. He looked like the best offensive player(non QB) on the field for either team in the game vs Dallas last year.

The Giants identified his talent correctly...would love to see him put it all together this year and stay healthy and leave the backpage news to others.
We’ll see how Jones plays this year, with hopefully  
Simms11 : 5/5/2022 2:23 pm : link
more time to throw. His problem has been processing what’s going on and pocket awareness. Not sure that going to get better, but perhaps the scheme will allow him to get the ball out faster if WRs are schemed to be open.
RE: We’ll see how Jones plays this year, with hopefully  
Johnny5 : 5/5/2022 2:39 pm : link
In comment 15699423 Simms11 said:
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more time to throw. His problem has been processing what’s going on and pocket awareness. Not sure that going to get better, but perhaps the scheme will allow him to get the ball out faster if WRs are schemed to be open.
I disagree with this, at least on the processing. I know it's the popular opinion but I don't see his issue as processing but rather trust in what he sees and in his teammates. On a few of his misses you can see that he made the right read, he just didn't trust it and didn't pull the trigger. Hopefully Daboll and company can coach that out of him. See it and let it fly. He seemed to do this much more as a rookie.
Johnny5  
Lines of Scrimmage : 5/5/2022 2:47 pm : link
I think he short circuits transferring the processing to the right decision and then executed it. Garret and now BD have both said he has to let it rip so your impressions may not be off. TBD I guess.
I think the plan  
AcesUp : 5/5/2022 2:47 pm : link
Is to spread teams out across the field to create some space in middle for a lot of quick-hitting option routes for our YAC guys. If teams sit on the short stuff Toney/Robinson will hit them with a move and go deep, both are capable of doing that in hurry. If teams start bracketing them inside then they'll throw up jump balls to Golladay 1v1 on the boundaries or you try to get Barkley 1v1 on a linebacker. At least that's my best guess at a plan until they get punched in the mouth a few times. Hopefully the OL is improved.

IMO it makes sense as to why they dialed in on Robinson. That was a pure need pick, full stop and I think they knew that. If they were just looking for a pure gadget guy they could have waited so there's something else about Robinson's game beyond combo back skills that thinned out the draft options enough for them to take a guy with his profile there. My guess is how often he attacked the deep middle with those types of routes in that Rams scheme at Kentucky. There's a year 1 skill they felt was integral to their plans and thats my best guess.
RE: Johnny5  
Johnny5 : 5/5/2022 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15699447 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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I think he short circuits transferring the processing to the right decision and then executed it. Garret and now BD have both said he has to let it rip so your impressions may not be off. TBD I guess.

Yep for sure. I think if there's any staff good for him it's this one. To bad we didn't get them in his rookie year. I have a feeling this year he shows he can be a better than decent QB but it won't be enough for them to keep him. And that will suck because who knows when we get the next great QB... if ever. I knew we would miss Eli.... lol
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