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All signs point to James Bradberry being released

Mike in Long Beach : 5/5/2022 3:52 pm
Didn't see a thread on this..

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All signs point to CB James Bradberry being released soon. GM Joe Schoen admitted on WFAN trade market tougher than expected. Also they had compensation in place but not contract terms.

Bottom line: Bradberry now getting released post-FA + draft when most $$$ is gone. Not ideal

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RE: RE: It's not Schoen's fault, he clearly tried to shed him before the Draft  
Jimmy Googs : 5/5/2022 9:18 pm : link
In comment 15699685 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15699666 Jimmy Googs said:


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in prudent fashion. Some on here had a silly idea that waiting until after the Draft would yield a better offer. As if he was the last CB on the earth...




not sure if that was a reference this way, but rereading this from 2 months ago looks pretty much like exactly happened.

plan a - exactly what happened but bradberry turned down extensions from teams that were willing to trade for him.



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pursue a trade. and taken a step further, let his agent pursue a trade and gauge his market. you can bet Bradberry's agent is the most motivated/incentivized person on the planet to get Bradberry the most money, and knowing there's a threat of lost money both he and the nyg are mutually aligned in finding the team that most values bradberry.




plan b - exactly where we are now:



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in the event plan a hasn't come to fruition, Bradberry and his agent are now incentivized to do some kind of deal with the nyg bc they know if they don't they are at risk to lose money. remember in this scenario they have already spent months exhausting conversations around the league to find a home for him at his current cap # and havent. entering the market at a bad time it's only logical to expect they won't be able to get whole.



plan c - looks like schoen prefers deciding on a release in May vs. July but if anything that's him being generous to give Bradberry a better shot at finding a spot. But the why is irrelevant because if he designates him post-June 1 they won't get the money until June anyway. 3/23/2022 what's happening behind the scenes with bradberry? - ( New Window )


A bit verbose for no reason. Real simple...posters felt Bradberry was worth more than 4th or 5th round pick and we didn’t need the immediate cap relief in early April. So they convinced themselves that Schoen should just wait it out and some desperate team needing a CB after the draft would improve their offer to the Giants (not Bradberry).

It was never going to happen....
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 5/5/2022 9:18 pm : link
In comment 15699820 christian said:
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I really hope they don't extend him and put more money into a declining player.


It's more important for the 2022 NYG to play their younger players than trying to squeeze another year or two out of a veteran CB who is best suited for a team looking to add another piece for a deep playoff run.
Could he Giants get a comp pick if he’s released ?  
Simms11 : 5/5/2022 9:51 pm : link
I’m not familiar with the Company Pick formulas.
RE: Could he Giants get a comp pick if he’s released ?  
Simms11 : 5/5/2022 9:52 pm : link
In comment 15699916 Simms11 said:
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I’m not familiar with the Company Pick formulas.


Compensatory
RE: Could he Giants get a comp pick if he’s released ?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/5/2022 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15699916 Simms11 said:
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I’m not familiar with the Company Pick formulas.


No.
RE: For those that say the cap doesn't matter  
Producer : 5/5/2022 10:02 pm : link
In comment 15699574 Go Terps said:
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This is a good example of why those people are wrong.


No it's not. They can easily restructure to get him under if they wanted to. They may not think he's important enough at this juncture to do so. That's all this is.
The actual argument  
UConn4523 : 5/5/2022 10:17 pm : link
was that unless you are getting a decent pick, there’s no point in trading him for scraps, might as well just wait and cut or restructure. No one was convinced his value would magically improve after the draft - it was simply a potential scenario that was worth risking losing out on a 6th or 7th rounder for.

“Yeah, I was” surprised, Schoen said. “I thought there would be more interest. There were teams that showed interest pre-drat and we had a couple different times there was compensation in place and the contract never worked out ... sometimes if your’e going to renegotiate a contract and you couldn’t come to an agreement, it is what it is.”

There was interest, my guess is around their price point but a deal couldn’t be worked with JB and Schoen decided to balk until the draft. That’s a reasonable decision. We didn’t lose anything of value.
No, it was all about waiting and getting a better offer. There would  
Jimmy Googs : 5/5/2022 10:34 pm : link
be teams that still need CBs that don’t obtain them in the draft and we don’t need the cap savings in April, so just wait. And it was even about how getting a pick in the 2023 draft was just fine and we didn’t necessarily need a 2022 pick, so no hurry in forcing a deal now if we can do better later.

Am I the only one who would like him on the team?  
Bear vs Shark : 5/6/2022 1:23 am : link
JFC, if you wanna cut salary ship out Barkleys useless ass.

Bradberry actually makes this team better. He isn't that old, and he has one "off" year on a dogshit team built by a dogshit GM with no pass rush, all after a borderline all pro year.

Cut Barkley's 7 mil and keep Bradberrys 9 mil or whatever it is.
RE: RE: For those that say the cap doesn't matter  
MOOPS : 5/6/2022 1:59 am : link
In comment 15699940 Producer said:
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In comment 15699574 Go Terps said:


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This is a good example of why those people are wrong.



No it's not. They can easily restructure to get him under if they wanted to. They may not think he's important enough at this juncture to do so. That's all this is.



Un-friggin-believable.
This is a good example  
RetroJint : 5/6/2022 6:27 am : link
when it’s said that the job can’t be done in one season . Patience . Schoen mentioned that he had a cap device available to him if he wanted to retain Bradberry . He could go the conversion-to-signing-bonus route that is the MO of the Chiefs . He doesn’t want to do that . He called it “kicking the can.” But I think part of that is posturing . He doesn’t want to ruin whatever minimal
trade market that exists for Bradberry .

The guy has slipped . I said before that he reminds me of Mark Haynes in 1985 . He lost a step that he didn’t have to lose . And , although he still might be the Giants best corner , he’s not going to be around in 2023 . They are not winning this season . They might win more games . I hope they do . I think they will. But everything is relative . There was just too much to do . Schoen walked into a complete rubbish pile .

Need the space to be able to get the draft choices signed , plus add replacements to the roster during the season . Gettleman went gonzo because he knew he was facing his last chance . Mara has become quite facile with the “win or else “ ultimatum that he first employed with Coughlin . Gettleman flopped because he was a flop .

New day. New way . Lots of changes . Looks like the Giants are going with young corners this season and a rookie safety . Let’s see how it goes . There is always a blend in thought , a laboratory mix between pressure and coverage . Properly done , the two augment each other . That hasn’t been the case with the Giants’ D for many years .

Most recently , Graham tried to mask pass-rush deficiencies with multiple -coverage schemes . In my lexicon “multiple coverage schemes “ =
2 unpleasant results : 1. No pass rush . 2 . At least one guy screws up and busts the coverage .

Wink is from the Ryan School . At the very beginning , Bud Man used to stress that the goal was having a complex defense without complicated responsibilities . I don’t think Bradberry is capable of handling those . There might not be another corner on the team that can , either . But let’s find out .
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