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You have to figure they're trading Mitchell. Knicks will probably be in on it.

In comment 15700680 Heisenberg said:

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You have to figure they're trading Mitchell. Knicks will probably be in on it.

Honestly not really sure Mitchell is the best path to take.

if they wish to make a trade of some significance. They have a stash of draft picks but it's mostly second rounders - and the one extra first ('23 Dallas) is obviously from a previous regime.

I'm fine with the "build through the draft" approach, but if we're doing that we should use some of the draft capital to move up for specific targets.

If we move up in the lottery.

In comment 15700710 robbieballs2003 said:

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If we move up in the lottery.

It would certainly be a good sign re: luck changing...

9.4% chance of Top 4, 2% chance of 1st overall

78% chance to pick 11th
13% chance to pick 12th

Knicks need a break like this at some point, don't they?

Ideally they hit on one or two of their own picks instead of trading them away.

What about that beanpole from Florida State?

what to make of the Mitch situation - he's an impossible guy to predict.

So if we trade the farm we're going to need to attract a number 1.

ok.

told to keep an eye on Davis and Murray as players the Knicks reportedly are high on.


TyTy Washington's stock is apparently way down. Might be able to grab him with the Dallas pick

I don't think we have enough to get Mitchell, he is still only 25 and hasn't peaked I think he can be a #1 on a good team plus he play PG which solves the Knicks biggest need.
This is the Knicks best chance of getting a star, Mitchell wants to play in NY, Rose and Wes know him, and Utah would be smart to move him before the season.

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In comment 15700680 Heisenberg said: Quote: You have to figure they're trading Mitchell. Knicks will probably be in on it. Honestly not really sure Mitchell is the best path to take.

Well, 1) he'd be the best player on the team by a solid margin and 2) I think he's worth bringing in even if he just ends up being the guy you trade for a big star later on.

In comment 15700761 DanMetroMan said:

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told to keep an eye on Davis and Murray as players the Knicks reportedly are high on. TyTy Washington's stock is apparently way down. Might be able to grab him with the Dallas pick

Murray...he's good, but from the little I've seen of him, he seems kind of redundant with Obi on the roster.


BTW, Mavericks pick? I thought the only two picks we have are our own first round and second round picks.

right they have the Mavs pick in 2023. Just interesting seeing Woo saying he has him in the 20's after talking to teams.

But I'd rather get a big guy who can shoot from 3

Knicks have

1 second this season
4 in 2023
4 in 2024
2 in 2025
2 in 2026

so that would fit the pattern. Knicks haven't drafted any freshmen under this regime.

In comment 15700785 DanMetroMan said:

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right they have the Mavs pick in 2023. Just interesting seeing Woo saying he has him in the 20's after talking to teams.

Just to be clear, I did not hear the Knicks are interested in Washington at all. I just saw him being mocked as high as 7-8 and now he's apparently in the 20's so I was thinking about value.

you’ll see PGs mocked to the Knicks every year, like TyTy has been for months. We still need everything, especially if we’re planning for life after Julius.

still had Cade going 1/1

didn't have either Knick top 20 but-


Quentin Grimes, New York Knicks | Original Selection: No. 25: I think I actually liked Grimes’ minutes with the Knicks more than Tom Thibodeau. He defended well and knocked down the 3s that were served to him off the catch. On top of that, he had some solid moments off the bounce in space. He was No. 21 for me here. He profiles well as a player who can help in the playoffs for as long as the shooting and defense hold up.

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Mitchell component & I freaking love Luka. As for Mitchell, I don't see 'it'. Yeah, he's obviously a very good player-no one would dispute that-but I don't think you're winning anything of note if he's your best player. Let's say we acquire him...he's nowhere near the class of Giannis, Tatum, Embiid, KD, etc. We're not winning the East with Mitchell as our alpha dog.

is his defense has become a major weakness. Wasn’t he a good defender coming into the league? I know he’s undersized so he’ll never be some lockdown guy, but I kinda remember him having a good rep on that end of the court.

His defense sucked in the Dallas series. I don't remember his player profile coming out of Louisville, but his defense leaves a lot to be desired.

Wade is part of Utah’s ownership team and could steer him that way, but Ainge runs the basketball operation and can’t stand Riley from the old Lakers/Celtics days.

Team without Zion. They may trade him prior to free agency

A healthy Zion with
RJ
OBI
Grimes
IQ
Reddish

Is a fun young team

Knicks should send them Mitch and draft capital

Dump Randle on whomever will take him and go forward from there

I like Embiid. He's a helluva talent & has had some horrible luck.

In comment 15700932 Earl the goat said:

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Team without Zion. They may trade him prior to free agency A healthy Zion with RJ OBI Grimes IQ Reddish Is a fun young team Knicks should send them Mitch and draft capital Dump Randle on whomever will take him and go forward from there

Big men and foot injuries often don't end well in the NBA. I'd be leery of trading for Zion.

Zion's talent is undeniable. But a big man with all those lower body injuries is a huge, huge red flag.

i.e. Mitch and DAL first for Brunson is the biggest sell off we should be doing.

Moving Randle for a couple firsts would be nice too.

We need to build through the draft and keep our kids developing. We got something going on with these kids.

I think if he becomes available Rose and Wes are going all out to get him, he is the guy they sold Dolan on. They know him, they have a relationship with him..

If they did trade for him, he needs to be the point guard, he controls the ball, put a 3 and d wing nect to him, rj at the 3 Obi at the 4 and a big who can stretch the floor..

Thibs uses him like Derrick Rose in his prime

In comment 15700906 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Mitchell component & I freaking love Luka. As for Mitchell, I don't see 'it'. Yeah, he's obviously a very good player-no one would dispute that-but I don't think you're winning anything of note if he's your best player. Let's say we acquire him...he's nowhere near the class of Giannis, Tatum, Embiid, KD, etc. We're not winning the East with Mitchell as our alpha dog.

The last 2 playoffs he carried them on his back and averaged over 35.
I think there is a big problem in Utah.

In comment 15701004 nygiants16 said:

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I think if he becomes available Rose and Wes are going all out to get him, he is the guy they sold Dolan on. They know him, they have a relationship with him.. If they did trade for him, he needs to be the point guard, he controls the ball, put a 3 and d wing nect to him, rj at the 3 Obi at the 4 and a big who can stretch the floor.. Thibs uses him like Derrick Rose in his prime

I agree completely and I think this is their big prize.
He is a NY kid that loves the Mets he was mobbed at the Met game I am sure that is a big draw for him.
My concern is giving up too much but that will happen with any star.

for a bunch of teams.

For the Knicks, he proposes a package that includes both RJ and Obi, as well as a first round pick.

This is what happens when outside observers rack their brains trying to figure out what the Knicks have that another team could possibly want.

I doubt Mitchell will see a winning situation here, whatever package Knicks might come up with.

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Everybody forgot about him because he missed the 2nd half of the season but I bet he asks out this Summer. Simons showed a lot of potential as a lead guy there with Dame out. Not saying it's necessarily the best move, and I'm sure a lot here won't want it. However if the Sixers decide to keep Harden I think we might be the top suitor for Dame and who knows maybe the package will be a little less than Mitchell. By the way one thing that makes our offers for these types of stars better than most other teams in the mix is the value of our 1st rounders. Usually the big contenders hunting these players down become championship contenders if they aquire them. Their #1 picks are most likely in the high 20's or worse for the near future. Our pick this year will probably be 11 or 12 and even going forward if we get a Mitchell or Dame our #1's could still not be that low. For rebuilding teams that can be a big deal.

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for a bunch of teams. For the Knicks, he proposes a package that includes both RJ and Obi, as well as a first round pick. This is what happens when outside observers rack their brains trying to figure out what the Knicks have that another team could possibly want. I doubt Mitchell will see a winning situation here, whatever package Knicks might come up with. yahoo - ( New Window )

When players ask for a trade they usually look for 2 things as their deciding factor..

Who am i playing with or who can i get in the future to come play with me..

Who is running the team and do i trust them with my future..

Mitchell may see the Knicks as a way to get a partner, he is not going to get it in Utah, he may also like some of the young pieces in NY, OR he thinks/knows he can recruit someone as a free agent or another trade down the line..

He also is going to trust Rose, Wes and Perrin..He knows those guys, Rose was his agent when he came into the league he is still apart of CAA..perrin is the guy who drafted him..

build it slow or build threw the draft and thats fine if you have a guy that you know is your star and you drafted him..

I love the Knicks young core, i have defended it many many times, but if a star becomes available you go for it, i am not saying trade everyone but i am going all in..

Once you get a star, it should be easy, anf mitchell is a guy other players like and will want to play with and hr is only 25, you got 10 years of prime..

In comment 15701083 shyster said:

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for a bunch of teams. For the Knicks, he proposes a package that includes both RJ and Obi, as well as a first round pick. This is what happens when outside observers rack their brains trying to figure out what the Knicks have that another team could possibly want. I doubt Mitchell will see a winning situation here, whatever package Knicks might come up with. yahoo - ( New Window )

That’s a pretty fair trade in my opinion. People are picking him apart now but Mitchell is a 25 year old star guard who averages 25 a night. I would do that trade.

I get the risk with Zion but the upside is there and can be a league MVP. If there’s any chance to get him I would be all over it.

Is Brogdon a possibility?

I would still love Brunson here. I just wish they had the cap space to do it and not have to work a sign or trade or get off contracts to make it happen.

I’m still hoping they can send Randle to Portland for one of their 1st round picks.

Big offseason for Leon Rose and company…would be nice to hear the guy interviewed at some point.

for a top 4 pick and using THAT as the focal point of a Mitchell trade. Then they wouldn’t have to attach RJ or Obi to the trade and could move Randle for peanuts to any team willing to take the salary. (The Cavs only added a first rounder and shitty Anthony Bennett in the trade for Love.)

I can dream.

Otherwise, the thought of adding a star needs to be downgraded to adding a competent point, moving Randle for the best possible return, and getting something for Mitch Robinson.

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In comment 15701083 shyster said: Quote: for a bunch of teams. For the Knicks, he proposes a package that includes both RJ and Obi, as well as a first round pick. This is what happens when outside observers rack their brains trying to figure out what the Knicks have that another team could possibly want. I doubt Mitchell will see a winning situation here, whatever package Knicks might come up with. yahoo - ( New Window ) That’s a pretty fair trade in my opinion. People are picking him apart now but Mitchell is a 25 year old star guard who averages 25 a night. I would do that trade. I get the risk with Zion but the upside is there and can be a league MVP. If there’s any chance to get him I would be all over it. Is Brogdon a possibility? I would still love Brunson here. I just wish they had the cap space to do it and not have to work a sign or trade or get off contracts to make it happen. I’m still hoping they can send Randle to Portland for one of their 1st round picks. Big offseason for Leon Rose and company…would be nice to hear the guy interviewed at some point.

Unloading Randle for any kind of asset and signing Brunson would be nice. I am not sure Mitchell is the play, we would have to gut the roster. At least he is much younger then gutting the roster for Dame.

AI's practice rant on May 7, 2002. I thought at the time he was hammered & still think that today.

In comment 15701370 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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AI's practice rant on May 7, 2002. I thought at the time he was hammered & still think that today.

His best friend just was killed, there is a whole part that is edited out of that rant

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for a bunch of teams. For the Knicks, he proposes a package that includes both RJ and Obi, as well as a first round pick. This is what happens when outside observers rack their brains trying to figure out what the Knicks have that another team could possibly want. I doubt Mitchell will see a winning situation here, whatever package Knicks might come up with. yahoo - ( New Window )

I mean…am I the only one who wouldn’t even trade RJ for Mitchell straight up?

In comment 15701413 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15701370 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: AI's practice rant on May 7, 2002. I thought at the time he was hammered & still think that today. His best friend just was killed, there is a whole part that is edited out of that rant

nygiants16, damn. I didn't know that. Thanks for information.

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In comment 15701413 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15701370 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: AI's practice rant on May 7, 2002. I thought at the time he was hammered & still think that today. His best friend just was killed, there is a whole part that is edited out of that rant nygiants16, damn. I didn't know that. Thanks for information.

yeah there is a whole story behind it that is never mentioned

With the notable exception of Grayson Fucking Allen.

and don't get hit with a tampering charge,idiots

In comment 15701415 Anakim said:

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In comment 15701083 shyster said: Quote: for a bunch of teams. For the Knicks, he proposes a package that includes both RJ and Obi, as well as a first round pick. This is what happens when outside observers rack their brains trying to figure out what the Knicks have that another team could possibly want. I doubt Mitchell will see a winning situation here, whatever package Knicks might come up with. yahoo - ( New Window ) I mean…am I the only one who wouldn’t even trade RJ for Mitchell straight up?

You honestly wouldn’t trade Barrett for Mitchell straight up?

and a couple less 1st rounders, i would do it

In comment 15701663 nygiants16 said:

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and a couple less 1st rounders, i would do it

My sentiments exactly. RJ is the best of the Knicks’ young players, but it’s not like he’s a whole tier above them.

The odds that RJ ever becomes a natural scorer like that are slim. Mitchell is gifted. He has his flaws but he's a better player and probably always will be.

you trade whatever for Mitchell. If you're building to win a championship, we have to luck out and get a franchise player through the lottery and then add to that. I just don't know how you have enough ammo to get 2 stars if you trade everything for Mitchell.

Look at the Knicks roster. If you take off a bunch of assets and add Mitchell, is it better than Utah is now with Gobert? Probably not. MAYBE it's the same talent level, but the east is tougher than the West. I think we'd be a bottom tier playoff team with that sort of trade.

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you trade whatever for Mitchell. If you're building to win a championship, we have to luck out and get a franchise player through the lottery and then add to that. I just don't know how you have enough ammo to get 2 stars if you trade everything for Mitchell. Look at the Knicks roster. If you take off a bunch of assets and add Mitchell, is it better than Utah is now with Gobert? Probably not. MAYBE it's the same talent level, but the east is tougher than the West. I think we'd be a bottom tier playoff team with that sort of trade.

You are not done after you get Mitchell..You can still add a 2nd star via free agency, its not like the team would be capped out..

and you can trade Rj, vets for cap filler and some draft picks and still have a good team and cap space

The link is part two of it, where they (Jon Macri and Jeremy Cohen) specifically get into pros and cons.
Knicks Film School - ( New Window )

that hit piece on Dolan NOT being around the team enough now is absurd

In comment 15704643 DanMetroMan said:

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that hit piece on Dolan NOT being around the team enough now is absurd

who wrotr it?

with Hollinger the other day on the Knicks. Below is his take on Barrett. I agree with most of it, although I'm not sure where the "substantial improvement" was:

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Barrett showed substantial improvement last season and still has another year left on his rookie deal, plus he’ll only be 22 next year and plays one of the hardest positions to fill as a big wing creator. On the other hand, it’s tough to nail down one area where he’s genuinely good unless you count “going left every time” as a skill. He’s a 35.7 percent career 3-point shooter, just OK as a finisher in traffic and still struggles from the line. Barrett is up for an extension this summer, but New York could always opt to kick the can down the road and deal with his restricted free agency in 2023-24, and if he’s seeking max-type money, that might be the wiser path. I think he’s a starter-caliber player right now, and maybe on the pathway to something much, much better than that … but he’s neither a freak athlete nor an elite skill guy, so it all seems very speculative.

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I don't think he can be the alpha on a title contending team, but a solid Robin to someone's Batman.

and getting to the line this season. He was definitely more aggressive post-new years, which is good. I don't think RJ's currently a max player. I'm not saying that as a slight against him, I think he's good and still maturing, but if his agent says the max, I kick that can down the road.

Lakers get Zach Lavine

Bulls get Randle and Fournier

Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st

I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi

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Lakers get Zach Lavine Bulls get Randle and Fournier Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi

So the Lakers get LaVine for Westbrook and 2 firsts 5 years from now? Screw them, I’d rather just have LaVine for Randle and Fournier in that scenario.

In comment 15705105 Mike in NJ said:

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In comment 15705092 nygiants16 said: Quote: Lakers get Zach Lavine Bulls get Randle and Fournier Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi So the Lakers get LaVine for Westbrook and 2 firsts 5 years from now? Screw them, I’d rather just have LaVine for Randle and Fournier in that scenario.

If Lavine wants to come to the Knicks sure lol, sign me up, i have wanted Lavine for a couple of years..

The thought is he wants to go to the Lakers

according to Fischer, i dont see why he would go to Detroit or the Pacers, in both situations he is not the point guard, in that case just stay with Dallas..

Not coming from their end that they are willing to trade Mitchell according to Fischer..

In comment 15705092 nygiants16 said:

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Lakers get Zach Lavine Bulls get Randle and Fournier Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi

this is terrible for Bulls and Knicks - and great for the Lakers, lol.

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according to Fischer, i dont see why he would go to Detroit or the Pacers, in both situations he is not the point guard, in that case just stay with Dallas..

I think he's going to whoever pays him the most. He's almost 26 and, relatively speaking, hasn't made much money yet. This is his chance to cash in.

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In comment 15704643 DanMetroMan said: Quote: that hit piece on Dolan NOT being around the team enough now is absurd who wrotr it?

Brett Siegel


Donovan Mitchell’s father, Donovan Mitchell Sr., has worked with the New York Mets organization in the MLB for over two decades now and Mitchell was always around New York City growing up.

Should the opportunity come his way, Donovan Mitchell is not opposed to the idea of playing for the New York Knicks one day, sources say, but he is not the biggest fan of Knicks’ owner James Dolan.

Many around the league share the same feelings as Mitchell in regards to how Dolan runs the Knicks organization and over the years, several other All-Star talents have turned down the opportunity to sign with the Knicks in free agency because of the lack of accountability and willingness to succeed at the top of their franchise.

“Fans, players, league personnel… so many people have been calling for James Dolan to sell the Knicks for years, yet he has been unwilling to do so,” one league source told SI Fastbreak. “So many owners around the league actually care about their team, their success on the floor and their players, yet Dolan is never around and he cares more about his music and band than the Knicks as a whole.”

The Knicks’ owner is the founding member of JD & The Straight Shot, a country blues and roots rock vanity project that was once described by The New York Times as a group of “well-known sidemen backing a karaoke grade singer.”

“When you have All-Stars, some of the best of the best, turning down an offer to play in arguably the greatest basketball arena in the world in Madison Square Garden for one of the league’s most historic franchises because of the team’s owner, that is a major problem not only for the franchise, but for the NBA as a whole,” one NBA agent told SI Fastbreak in regards to the Knicks. “[James] Dolan is not around for the first 80 games of the year and then comes back after touring around with his band thinking he knows what’s going on and that he can magically fix things. It is just a complete joke to be perfectly honest and you almost feel bad for those who have had to try and run this organization under him.”
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In comment 15705111 nygiants16 said: Quote: according to Fischer, i dont see why he would go to Detroit or the Pacers, in both situations he is not the point guard, in that case just stay with Dallas.. I think he's going to whoever pays him the most. He's almost 26 and, relatively speaking, hasn't made much money yet. This is his chance to cash in.

all money equal he is going to the place he can be the ppint guard

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In comment 15705092 nygiants16 said: Quote: Lakers get Zach Lavine Bulls get Randle and Fournier Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi this is terrible for Bulls and Knicks - and great for the Lakers, lol.

you get 2 unprotected firsts and clean the books for Randle and Fournier, its a no brainer for the knicks

In comment 15705162 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15704666 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15704643 DanMetroMan said: Quote: that hit piece on Dolan NOT being around the team enough now is absurd who wrotr it? Brett Siegel Donovan Mitchell’s father, Donovan Mitchell Sr., has worked with the New York Mets organization in the MLB for over two decades now and Mitchell was always around New York City growing up. Should the opportunity come his way, Donovan Mitchell is not opposed to the idea of playing for the New York Knicks one day, sources say, but he is not the biggest fan of Knicks’ owner James Dolan. Many around the league share the same feelings as Mitchell in regards to how Dolan runs the Knicks organization and over the years, several other All-Star talents have turned down the opportunity to sign with the Knicks in free agency because of the lack of accountability and willingness to succeed at the top of their franchise. “Fans, players, league personnel… so many people have been calling for James Dolan to sell the Knicks for years, yet he has been unwilling to do so,” one league source told SI Fastbreak. “So many owners around the league actually care about their team, their success on the floor and their players, yet Dolan is never around and he cares more about his music and band than the Knicks as a whole.” The Knicks’ owner is the founding member of JD & The Straight Shot, a country blues and roots rock vanity project that was once described by The New York Times as a group of “well-known sidemen backing a karaoke grade singer.” “When you have All-Stars, some of the best of the best, turning down an offer to play in arguably the greatest basketball arena in the world in Madison Square Garden for one of the league’s most historic franchises because of the team’s owner, that is a major problem not only for the franchise, but for the NBA as a whole,” one NBA agent told SI Fastbreak in regards to the Knicks. “[James] Dolan is not around for the first 80 games of the year and then comes back after touring around with his band thinking he knows what’s going on and that he can magically fix things. It is just a complete joke to be perfectly honest and you almost feel bad for those who have had to try and run this organization under him.” Link - ( New Window )

This is the dumbest thing i have ever read, so Dolan stays away and still spends a ton but he doesnt care?

Dolans issue isnt that he doesnt care, its that he continuously hires the wrong people and cares to much about the media..

In comment 15705174 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15705154 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 15705092 nygiants16 said: Quote: Lakers get Zach Lavine Bulls get Randle and Fournier Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi this is terrible for Bulls and Knicks - and great for the Lakers, lol. you get 2 unprotected firsts and clean the books for Randle and Fournier, its a no brainer for the knicks

IMO, Fournier is not a negative asset. And it's worth the risk to see if Randle can rebuild his value and turn himself back into a positive asset. Or if you're going to trade him, trade him for a similar "change of scenery" type player. I think they're potentially worth more than just cap space in 2023 and 2 picks WAY out in the future.

no-brainer for the Knicks, awful deal for the Bulls.

the books AND opens up PT for multiple players already on the roster (plus opens up more PT for the guards which will be an "issue" if they intend to sign Brunson)


Brunson, IQ, Fournier, Rose, McBride, Grimes and that doesn't include Rokas who apparently won't be coming next season but also doesn't include their draft picks either.

In comment 15705105 Mike in NJ said:

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In comment 15705092 nygiants16 said: Quote: Lakers get Zach Lavine Bulls get Randle and Fournier Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi So the Lakers get LaVine for Westbrook and 2 firsts 5 years from now? Screw them, I’d rather just have LaVine for Randle and Fournier in that scenario.

Exactly. How the fuck are the lakers getting Lavine for chopped liver and onions? Fuck them. Send LAvine this way thx.

LAL is landing LaVine it probably begins and ends with Anthony Davis (who is from Chicago)

“I’d also keep an eye on Simmons, too,” wrote Chris Kirschner of The Athletic. “Several people inside the Hawks’ organization wanted Simmons at the trade deadline. The price might not be as high to land him now, especially if Brooklyn decides to move on before he plays one game for the Nets.”

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“I’d also keep an eye on Simmons, too,” wrote Chris Kirschner of The Athletic. “Several people inside the Hawks’ organization wanted Simmons at the trade deadline. The price might not be as high to land him now, especially if Brooklyn decides to move on before he plays one game for the Nets.”

They got a little taste of his commitment to winning.

deal?

🙄🙄🙄.

Not a lot of leverage for Chicago here. This is why he might get traded for "peanuts". He's picking where he wants to sign in this scenario.

wont commit to signing Irving long term, seems like changes are on the way for Brooklyn

I wouldn't give a long term contract to that space cadet.

but you would think their best chance to win a title is with Irving. Unless they pull off some crazy sign-and-trade.

lets be real, Marks and thr Nets talked a big game about Irving not playing only away games and they wouldnt allow it..Then they gave in..

highly doubtful they let Kyrie walk

not scared off by Rudy's contract? Assuming Mitchell stays put (I don't see Ainge trading him with 3 years left on his deal), I think Rudy is the one who leaves Utah. I'd be willing to pursue him for the right price.

Past winners include Luka, Rubio, Bogdan Bogdanovic - and plenty of guys we've never heard of. Hopefully he is featured during Summer League.

the plan no longer is for Rokas to come over for 2023.

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the plan no longer is for Rokas to come over for 2023.

Is he coming sooner then? Or not at all?

Would be nice to have that on the roster.

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In comment 15705438 DanMetroMan said: Quote: the plan no longer is for Rokas to come over for 2023. Is he coming sooner then? Or not at all?

per Donatas Urbonas the Knicks are NOT expected to bring him over "this summer"


Donatas Urbonas: From what I’ve heard regarding the New York Knicks and their plans for Rokas Jokubaitis, there are no intentions yet on bringing him to the team for the upcoming summer.

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Would be nice to have that on the roster.

more combo

I still can't believe Frank is just 23 YOA. He seemed a lot older.

Good Lord.

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game.

Couple of great defensive plays against DPOY Smart.

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game.

I'm steamed

should be in the PG mix for the Knicks.

Jeremy Cohen thinks that the Knicks shouldn't do that proposed trade where they dump Julius.

I think he values the Randle contract for the salaries sake, to include in any potential trades. But for me, it comes down to Randle is a distressed asset. You make that trade if you think that the Randle 2 years ago was not a mirage. For me, I think he's probably somewhere between the player last year and 2 years ago, but in the end it doesn't matter. It's 2 picks for 2 players where you're trying to free up time in your rotation.

I don't think you need to care about what happens to Russ. He's firmly in the John Wall category at this point. Buy him out, let him sit on the bench or rot at home, who cares. Next year is another developmental year at this rate.

the Rangers game!

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Jeremy Cohen thinks that the Knicks shouldn't do that proposed trade where they dump Julius. I think he values the Randle contract for the salaries sake, to include in any potential trades. But for me, it comes down to Randle is a distressed asset. You make that trade if you think that the Randle 2 years ago was not a mirage. For me, I think he's probably somewhere between the player last year and 2 years ago, but in the end it doesn't matter. It's 2 picks for 2 players where you're trying to free up time in your rotation. I don't think you need to care about what happens to Russ. He's firmly in the John Wall category at this point. Buy him out, let him sit on the bench or rot at home, who cares. Next year is another developmental year at this rate.

speaking of Wall, I know we have some interesting young guards, but I'm not going to be suprised if he's the latest in our long history of washed up star point guards.

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In comment 15706070 Jan in DC said: Quote: Jeremy Cohen thinks that the Knicks shouldn't do that proposed trade where they dump Julius. I think he values the Randle contract for the salaries sake, to include in any potential trades. But for me, it comes down to Randle is a distressed asset. You make that trade if you think that the Randle 2 years ago was not a mirage. For me, I think he's probably somewhere between the player last year and 2 years ago, but in the end it doesn't matter. It's 2 picks for 2 players where you're trying to free up time in your rotation. I don't think you need to care about what happens to Russ. He's firmly in the John Wall category at this point. Buy him out, let him sit on the bench or rot at home, who cares. Next year is another developmental year at this rate. speaking of Wall, I know we have some interesting young guards, but I'm not going to be suprised if he's the latest in our long history of washed up star point guards.

i wouldnt be shocked at all

and Rokas knows it - his quotes this year have indicated he doesn't want to come over and play in the G-League when he can compete on a good team in the second best league in the world. Sign of a smart kid.

Lottery pick this year, Rokas likely next year plus two more first rounders - just keep taking swings at it.

Heat up 17 halfway through the fourth. Glorious postseason so far.

than Doc Rivers?

last night and did not score a single point. That's really hard to do! lol. But apparently they had him on Booker and he was good on defense.

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Reddish is on the team.

Harden 5 year supermax at $250. And another no show performance from him last night.

Knicks need to try and lure Mitchell over.

Was listening to a pod earlier & somehow forgot Harden shot 0 FTs last night. Amazing. What a no show from Harden, which is par for the course for him in the postseason.

Morey said they're bringing Rivers back.

Hitting everything in the fourth.

JVG brings up a great point. Milwaukee and Boston had the same record going into game 82 - Milwaukee mailed it in while Boston played hard and won, and now Boston gets Game 7 at home. Road teams have done well in the series but Game 7 might be a little different.

Tomorrow should be fun. I think winner beats Miami.

let the speculation begin

And I love it.

Maybe he can finally do something productive.

half. I would be shocked if winner of this game doesn't win the East.

Most floppers pick a side offense or defense to flop on constantly...

he is such a horrible official

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Bad shooting, flopping, bad refs... not fun to watch

Cs Dubs Finals.

Don't think the NBA made him miss layups

Rooting for the Leprechaun shoved up their ass Celts is a no go, and the day I root for a Heat team with Pat the rat still involved will be a subarctic day in hell.

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Can’t win when GRANT WILLIAMS and PAYTON PRITCHARD have outscored everyone on the Bucks outside of Giannis and Jrue by 10 points.

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Boston really showed up. It’s a shame that Middleton was hurt but it’s a part of the game.

Giannis played his ass off but his load was just too high having to make up for Middleton’s 20 ppg. He still played much better in this series than Durant did. Even though he lost this series, he’s cemented himself as the best player in the league imo (unless Luka does some crazy shit, fucks around, and wins a ring).

Miami vs. Boston should be fun. I think it will be a knife fight and I can’t go against Miami and Jimmy Buckets in a knife fight.

I am going Cs in 6.

They got decisions to make this offseason, Middleton up for an extension, Portis has an opt out on a team friendly deal, 142 million committed to 6 players, not a lot of picks..

Bucks scrubs didnt

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They got decisions to make this offseason, Middleton up for an extension, Portis has an opt out on a team friendly deal, 142 million committed to 6 players, not a lot of picks..

Randle for Giannis straight up. LFG

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nah i need some draft picks

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Bucks scrubs didnt

If you ever hated Grayson Allen, then today was the day for you.

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I am going Cs in 6.

Celtics will be favored and probably a little more talented. But I just respect the Heat so much and think the Celtics’ style plays into the Heat’s hands. Lowry is important, his health is a key factor for the series.

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I am going Cs in 6.

Heat in 7, Heat can match the Celtics goon game and i think Heat are a little deeper..

Heat also have the individual defenders to make Tatum and Brown work

We will see. I am hoping for a good series. If Jimmy Buckets plays like he did vs. 76ers, Heat have a great shot. I also wonder if Cs might be spent after this series. This was a battle vs. Bucks.

Rooting for Mavs tonight.

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We will see. I am hoping for a good series. If Jimmy Buckets plays like he did vs. 76ers, Heat have a great shot. I also wonder if Cs might be spent after this series. This was a battle vs. Bucks. Rooting for Mavs tonight.

I think Oladipo is the x factor, if he can give them 15 points a game it would be huge off the bench

if they lose this the questions will start about if they hit their ceiling

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if they lose this the questions will start about if they hit their ceiling

I don’t think it’s even a question. This is the best they’re ever going to be. CP3 is too old to count on going forward. They have maybe one more year as a title contender after this one imo.

They’re off to a bad start tonight though. Still think they pull this out but Mavs and Luka won’t roll over.

Absolutely pathetic 1st half performance by Phoenix.

interesting

Holy shit.

there will be a dynasty in Dallas.

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and they are up by 30.

Wonder if that has ever happened before.

The trade return for KP looks pretty good right now for Dallas.

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there will be a dynasty in Dallas.

I feel like you just get a consistent guy next to him and he will win a ship, He controls the ball so much i dont think he needs another star

I’ve been committed to the Rangers game so I’m just now seeing this score. 27 points in the entire half? Holy shitballs

to be a Luka moment, and he’s delivered and then some.

is going to get destroyed for this one and rightfully so. I know he's a shell of himself physically at this point but his supporters always point to how great of a leader he is and blah blah blah. Well his team is laying the biggest egg in game 7 history in any sport right now. Fuck him and I'm glad he's likely never going to get a ring

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is going to get destroyed for this one and rightfully so. I know he's a shell of himself physically at this point but his supporters always point to how great of a leader he is and blah blah blah. Well his team is laying the biggest egg in game 7 history in any sport right now. Fuck him and I'm glad he's likely never going to get a ring

Its crazy because he was so good in game 1 and game 2 and then all of sudden it looks like he cant play

were both talking trash after Game 2. Hasn't aged well.

Bill Walsh's comment about great players getting old is they don't lose it all at once, so you can't fool yourself on the flashes.

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is going to get destroyed for this one and rightfully so. I know he's a shell of himself physically at this point but his supporters always point to how great of a leader he is and blah blah blah. Well his team is laying the biggest egg in game 7 history in any sport right now. Fuck him and I'm glad he's likely never going to get a ring

I'll say the same thing I said after last year's Finals: can we stop with the Point God stuff now? He's not Isaiah Thomas - never has been. AND has been unlikable since Wake Forest.

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In comment 15709554 bceagle05 said: Quote: there will be a dynasty in Dallas. I feel like you just get a consistent guy next to him and he will win a ship, He controls the ball so much i dont think he needs another star

He kinda had to figure out how to play alongside other people when he’s dominating the ball. As much as I killed Porzingis last year, it wasn’t all his fault. He’s figuring out how to let Brunson (and tonight, Dinwiddie) cook while still doing his thing.

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In comment 15709564 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15709554 bceagle05 said: Quote: there will be a dynasty in Dallas. I feel like you just get a consistent guy next to him and he will win a ship, He controls the ball so much i dont think he needs another star He kinda had to figure out how to play alongside other people when he’s dominating the ball. As much as I killed Porzingis last year, it wasn’t all his fault. He’s figuring out how to let Brunson (and tonight, Dinwiddie) cook while still doing his thing.

Yeah in the playoffs its different ball is going to be in his hands all the time..

In the regular season Kidd said his number 1 job was helping Dkncic play without dominating the ball soo much and working so hard in regular season

IMO.

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Duane Rankin @DuaneRankin · 8m "It's internal." Monty Williams when asked why Deandre Ayton only played 17 minutes

Ayton is such an enigma. Can't remember a player who is basically either dominant or looking lost.

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and they are up by 30. Wonder if that has ever happened before. The trade return for KP looks pretty good right now for Dallas.

For two trades in a row, the team that lost the trade is the one that got KP.

as an option as that stretch 5 we want, what about Ayton? going to cost more money wise bjt put game 7 aside he averaged 19ppg in the playoffs as the 3rd option..

Can be a double double guy with a jump shot, open the lane for Rj

has this post season made the Mavs feel like they can't lose him? Or has he played his way to the type of contract that they it wouldn't be prudent for them to match. Hard for me to see Cuban cheaping out in trying to build a title contender in Dallas. Either way he picked one hell of a time to have the playoff of his life.

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has this post season made the Mavs feel like they can't lose him? Or has he played his way to the type of contract that they it wouldn't be prudent for them to match. Hard for me to see Cuban cheaping out in trying to build a title contender in Dallas. Either way he picked one hell of a time to have the playoff of his life.

I agree, this run is making Brunson a remote possibility. I think we discussed it at the time, but that Mavs/Jazz first round series was going to determine which team was gonna blow things up a bit (or completely), and the answer is the Jazz.

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is going to get destroyed for this one and rightfully so. I know he's a shell of himself physically at this point but his supporters always point to how great of a leader he is and blah blah blah. Well his team is laying the biggest egg in game 7 history in any sport right now. Fuck him and I'm glad he's likely never going to get a ring

The only time chris Paul got tough this series was at a 15 year old kid and his mom. That story isn’t getting enough attention.

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In comment 15709629 Mook80 said: Quote: is going to get destroyed for this one and rightfully so. I know he's a shell of himself physically at this point but his supporters always point to how great of a leader he is and blah blah blah. Well his team is laying the biggest egg in game 7 history in any sport right now. Fuck him and I'm glad he's likely never going to get a ring The only time chris Paul got tough this series was at a 15 year old kid and his mom. That story isn’t getting enough attention.

? I believe the Mavs themselves concluded that the fans were touching Paul's wife and mom. Who wouldn't get upset over that?

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In comment 15710091 GNewGiants said: Quote: In comment 15709629 Mook80 said: Quote: is going to get destroyed for this one and rightfully so. I know he's a shell of himself physically at this point but his supporters always point to how great of a leader he is and blah blah blah. Well his team is laying the biggest egg in game 7 history in any sport right now. Fuck him and I'm glad he's likely never going to get a ring The only time chris Paul got tough this series was at a 15 year old kid and his mom. That story isn’t getting enough attention. ? I believe the Mavs themselves concluded that the fans were touching Paul's wife and mom. Who wouldn't get upset over that?

Because it looked like he threatened the wrong person to me. I think CP3 got the wrong person. The people banned were clearly drunk by everyone who saw the incident. Unless my eyes are bad, the person he yelled out couldn’t be more than 15-16 years old.

kid who was thrown out was 17 years old (and quite tall aka no way of knowing he was "only" 17 on the spot. He had earrings etc). The fan that brought them down said he did so because he was being nice to fans who wanted to be closer to the action. Security came and escorted them out and Paul reacted to those being tossed. In the heat of the moment what is Paul expected to do other than assume this was the person doing it? Video below
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with some extra coin laying around?
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Chris Haynes
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Los Angeles Clippers coach Tyronn Lue is now being represented by @KlutchSports
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getting shit when Devin Booker is the one who finished 4th in the MVP voting and is their leading scorer and face of their franchise.

Not only that, but he's the one who decided to talk shit to Luka which clearly pissed Luka off "everybody talks tough when they're up". Bad bad move by Mr. Booker, dude saw he finished one spot ahead of Luka in the MVP vote and though that meant he was the same caliber of player. Luka just reminded him that there are levels to this.

are reportedly very concerned with Lonzo Ball's knee and it's lack of improvement.

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kid who was thrown out was 17 years old (and quite tall aka no way of knowing he was "only" 17 on the spot. He had earrings etc). The fan that brought them down said he did so because he was being nice to fans who wanted to be closer to the action. Security came and escorted them out and Paul reacted to those being tossed. In the heat of the moment what is Paul expected to do other than assume this was the person doing it? Video below Link - ( New Window )

Ok that makes more sense. I’ll assume the mom with the two kids (one being who CP3 yelled at) weren’t the ones banned.

expects both Anderson and Jones to leave in search of more playing time.

Killing CP3 and Booker, and the Suns in general, but wants Harden to get the supermax. Clearly has his friends and foes around the league - mostly foes.

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expects both Anderson and Jones to leave in search of more playing time.

Anderson stinks. Lucky to find a job. I think he was told he wasn’t coming back.

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are reportedly very concerned with Lonzo Ball's knee and it's lack of improvement.

I also wonder if Lavine is going to leave

Meghan Triplett @Meghan_Triplett
Tyus Jones said, was asked if he wants to be a starting point guard in this league and he answered, “I do.”
Jones added that he has always viewed himself as a starter even when coming off the bench. – 2:51 PM

Glad he got to see his future home rocking

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kid who was thrown out was 17 years old (and quite tall aka no way of knowing he was "only" 17 on the spot. He had earrings etc). The fan that brought them down said he did so because he was being nice to fans who wanted to be closer to the action. Security came and escorted them out and Paul reacted to those being tossed. In the heat of the moment what is Paul expected to do other than assume this was the person doing it? Video below Link - ( New Window )

Curious? Did paul apologize? It's a joke that kid got embarrassed like that. Nobody got pushed either, looks like some little kid touched their shoulders(not sure why someone would do that).

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getting shit when Devin Booker is the one who finished 4th in the MVP voting and is their leading scorer and face of their franchise. Not only that, but he's the one who decided to talk shit to Luka which clearly pissed Luka off "everybody talks tough when they're up". Bad bad move by Mr. Booker, dude saw he finished one spot ahead of Luka in the MVP vote and though that meant he was the same caliber of player. Luka just reminded him that there are levels to this.

100%. I hate paul the person, but as a player, he's a 37 yo PG that's had mictrofracture on his knee years ago. It's actually amazing that he's producing on this level at this point in his career. Booker should be the one feeling the wrath from that series, not Paul.

deserves whats going to happen to them.

The Athletic NBA
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The Knicks have a 90.2 percent chance of picking at No. 11 or No. 12.

Hollinger advocates the Knicks taking Daniels if he's there when they pick (if it's in that range). I actually agree with him, would be a very solid pick.

just based on profile - 6'7", excellent defender, excellent passer. He's also versatile enough to play point guard or wing. I also like that he's a bit of a project, because Thibs won't play him anyway. Might as well let the developmental staff work with him in the meantime.

in a playoff game 7. Impressive.

but I feel really good about tonight. The same org. can’t possibly be this unlucky this many times in a row.

But we are definitely overdue for some luck. Lets get into the top 4!

the hope of moving up and getting the number 1 pick, getting that young star in NY finally i remember when Dantoni was hired i said the NBA is going to rig it to get Drose with him in NY..

Now....I dont even watch, i will check in with Knicksfantv around 830 and see the 11th or 12th pick and move on

the draft thread? Was it deleted?

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the draft thread? Was it deleted?

Fuck. Yeah, I accidentally deleted it. Feel free to start a new one.

I just am annoyed that last year had a bunch of good prospects for stars and if this class is viewed as rotational players... Even having a nice winning year backfired on the Knicks.

noted on the deleted thread, I was told Daniels/Murray/Sochan the Knicks are known to be high on/scouted hard. Was also told there is at least one team that has Sharpe as high as #2 and that pound for pound upside wise he could be as good as anybody in this draft.

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noted on the deleted thread, I was told Daniels/Murray/Sochan the Knicks are known to be high on/scouted hard. Was also told there is at least one team that has Sharpe as high as #2 and that pound for pound upside wise he could be as good as anybody in this draft.

Sounds good. I'd love Sharpe if we jump up or trade up, and I'd love Daniels at #11.

Believe it and it will happen.

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noted on the deleted thread, I was told Daniels/Murray/Sochan the Knicks are known to be high on/scouted hard. Was also told there is at least one team that has Sharpe as high as #2 and that pound for pound upside wise he could be as good as anybody in this draft.

Sharpe is a wild card. I doubt he'd be there if the Knicks pick at 11, but I'd like the Knicks to take a swing on someone with high upside. We have hit a lot of singles and doubles in the draft, it'd be great if we could hit on a star.

But is there any athlete more of an asshole (non-criminal of course) than Patrick Beverly?

Holy shit, dude has been an embarrassment on national TV for two days now.

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In comment 15710151 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said: Quote: getting shit when Devin Booker is the one who finished 4th in the MVP voting and is their leading scorer and face of their franchise. Not only that, but he's the one who decided to talk shit to Luka which clearly pissed Luka off "everybody talks tough when they're up". Bad bad move by Mr. Booker, dude saw he finished one spot ahead of Luka in the MVP vote and though that meant he was the same caliber of player. Luka just reminded him that there are levels to this. 100%. I hate paul the person, but as a player, he's a 37 yo PG that's had mictrofracture on his knee years ago. It's actually amazing that he's producing on this level at this point in his career. Booker should be the one feeling the wrath from that series, not Paul.

Yep agreed, btw are you the kmed who used to post here back in the day?

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But is there any athlete more of an asshole (non-criminal of course) than Patrick Beverly? Holy shit, dude has been an embarrassment on national TV for two days now.

He's a complete clown.

to actually get the number 1 pick and have a month of speculation and discussion on who thr Knicks should take?

and got the Knicks in the top 4 in half of them. Usually it takes a lot of tries. Maybe they should've sent me instead of Wes!

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to actually get the number 1 pick and have a month of speculation and discussion on who thr Knicks should take?

nygiants16, it'd also find it nice if Jessica Alba was waiting for me naked in the mancave tonight, but I live in reality, Haha.

Watch we get the #1 pick & end up with the next Bennett.

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In comment 15711635 nygiants16 said: Quote: to actually get the number 1 pick and have a month of speculation and discussion on who thr Knicks should take? nygiants16, it'd also find it nice if Jessica Alba was waiting for me naked in the mancave tonight, but I live in reality, Haha. Watch we get the #1 pick & end up with the next Bennett.

hahahahahahaha

I have no doubt Knicks will not move up at all

there at 11 at this point

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Dyson Daniels 2.95 shuttle run time would have been fastest at last year’s combine. 10.8 lane agility time same as Scottie Barnes’. Daniels measured 6’7.5” in shoes, 6-10 WS. Averaged 2 steals in G League at 18 y/o. Exciting defensive guard prospect.

After reading Blood in the Garden and listening to “Shattered” on the athletic about the Knicks the last 20 years, Dolan is that bad. Players don’t want to play for him and it’s been proven over and over again.

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After reading Blood in the Garden and listening to “Shattered” on the athletic about the Knicks the last 20 years, Dolan is that bad. Players don’t want to play for him and it’s been proven over and over again.

Based on what? show me a quote from a player that said they didnt go to the Knicks because of Dolan..

Are you defending Dolan based on the last 20 years?

Here’s an article from Kanter. How can you argue otherwise based on the results?
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Are you defending Dolan based on the last 20 years?

No i am just saying people use Dolan as a cop out..I blame him for bad press when it comes to the media, i blame him for hiring the wrong people, but not everything is his fault..

and hate to break it to you, players want to play here the Knicks just constantly fuck it up..

Chris Paul wanted to be here in 2010 with Melo and Stat, Knicks went and signed Chandler..

Anthkny Davis wanted to be here, Knicks decided not to pull the trigger..

Dwade has said thr Knicks were in consideration but they couodnt get the full cap space for 3 guys..

Could of traded for Kyrie or Kawhi, Knicks refused..

This idea no one wants to player is media driven

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Here’s an article from Kanter. How can you argue otherwise based on the results? Link - ( New Window )

You mean the same Enes Kanter who hated the Knicks at the end because they benched him?

I’ve been diving into the end of the Knicks run from 1999 on and I’m just floored at how brutal Dolan was.

Teams have rebuilt multiple times over in the time the Knicks have tried to build a sustainable contender.

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I’ve been diving into the end of the Knicks run from 1999 on and I’m just floored at how brutal Dolan was. Teams have rebuilt multiple times over in the time the Knicks have tried to build a sustainable contender.

But how is that all Dolans fault? They tried to rebuild and keep winning, they never completely tore it down and when they did it they always missed out on the generational talent...

Rebuilding is a lot of luck..The warriors were a dumpster fire until they got lucky with Curry, Thompson and draymond..

Its a lot of luck...

who win..

I think the truth is somewhere between what Sean is arguing & what nygiants16 is rebutting.

Dolan took over in '99. Since then, the Knicks have been the league's biggest joke of a franchise. Hell, even the Kings & T'Wolves-jokes themselves-have made conference finals since then. He constantly makes an ass out of himself, be it with having Oak ejected to the Browne Sanders debacle to having fans potentially banned for dare criticizing the Dear Leader. And God forbid you do go at him, you're obviously struggling with alcohol & should seek treatment...

But, as nygiants16 points out, a lot of it is luck. We missed Curry & Ja both by one pick. We NEVER get any luck with the lottery. LBJ, Wade, & Bosh were-from some accounts-really intrigued about coming to NY until the meeting when Walsh is in a wheelchair & Dolan is being his usual jackass self. That later point...(rolling eyes).

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I think the truth is somewhere between what Sean is arguing & what nygiants16 is rebutting. Dolan took over in '99. Since then, the Knicks have been the league's biggest joke of a franchise. Hell, even the Kings & T'Wolves-jokes themselves-have made conference finals since then. He constantly makes an ass out of himself, be it with having Oak ejected to the Browne Sanders debacle to having fans potentially banned for dare criticizing the Dear Leader. And God forbid you do go at him, you're obviously struggling with alcohol & should seek treatment... But, as nygiants16 points out, a lot of it is luck. We missed Curry & Ja both by one pick. We NEVER get any luck with the lottery. LBJ, Wade, & Bosh were-from some accounts-really intrigued about coming to NY until the meeting when Walsh is in a wheelchair & Dolan is being his usual jackass self. That later point...(rolling eyes).

Not arguing any of this, my only argument is this idea no one wants to come here is laughable..

No one comes here because you are fricken stupid and dont tske chances when the chsnce is there..

You also leak shit to the media ehich is hilarious because the relationship with the media is awful..

I still maintain that it pissed KD off whrn he constantly got asked questions about coming to NY and it was out there he was coming to the Knicks..

The Knicks had a deal in place for AD, Griffin didnt want to send him to LA, the Knicks got cold feet

That he spends money and lately it appears he has gotten out of the way. Don’t get the whole North Korea vibe with how MSG is run though.

Randle?

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That he spends money and lately it appears he has gotten out of the way. Don’t get the whole North Korea vibe with how MSG is run though.

Because he is thin-skinned. As simple as that. People shout shit @ Mara &-to his credit-he isn't calling security to throw them out & going to the media & saying they need to go to AA.

He's a terrible owner. I wish he'd sell the team tomorrow, but that isn't happening.

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In comment 15713923 Sean said: Quote: That he spends money and lately it appears he has gotten out of the way. Don’t get the whole North Korea vibe with how MSG is run though. Because he is thin-skinned. As simple as that. People shout shit @ Mara &-to his credit-he isn't calling security to throw them out & going to the media & saying they need to go to AA. He's a terrible owner. I wish he'd sell the team tomorrow, but that isn't happening.

Be careful what you wish for, give me the thin skinned owner who spends over the cheap fun loving owner

Knicks hired Tim Hardaway as a scout and he has been interviewing prospects at the combine..

Knicks interviewed mathurin and davis today

In comment 15713944 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15713938 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: In comment 15713923 Sean said: Quote: That he spends money and lately it appears he has gotten out of the way. Don’t get the whole North Korea vibe with how MSG is run though. Because he is thin-skinned. As simple as that. People shout shit @ Mara &-to his credit-he isn't calling security to throw them out & going to the media & saying they need to go to AA. He's a terrible owner. I wish he'd sell the team tomorrow, but that isn't happening. Be careful what you wish for, give me the thin skinned owner who spends over the cheap fun loving owner

This is kind of lazy thinking. The Knicks are one of the most valuable sports franchises on the planet. I highly doubt anyone with enough money to buy/own the New York Knicks is going to be a “cheap fun loving owner”. When you own the Knicks, you aren’t doing it to be cheap.

Willing to spend. Doesn't interfere. Hires people & let's them run the show. Might act like a jackass watching games, but not hurting anyone.

Hell, I'd settle for Cuban.

In comment 15713946 nygiants16 said:

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Knicks hired Tim Hardaway as a scout and he has been interviewing prospects at the combine.. Knicks interviewed mathurin and davis today

The same Tim Hardaway who provided this quote?

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Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz @LeBatardShow "I hate the Knicks with all hate you can hate with.Can you hate more than that? If you can, then I hate them more than that." - Tim Hardaway

In comment 15713948 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15713944 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15713938 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: In comment 15713923 Sean said: Quote: That he spends money and lately it appears he has gotten out of the way. Don’t get the whole North Korea vibe with how MSG is run though. Because he is thin-skinned. As simple as that. People shout shit @ Mara &-to his credit-he isn't calling security to throw them out & going to the media & saying they need to go to AA. He's a terrible owner. I wish he'd sell the team tomorrow, but that isn't happening. Be careful what you wish for, give me the thin skinned owner who spends over the cheap fun loving owner This is kind of lazy thinking. The Knicks are one of the most valuable sports franchises on the planet. I highly doubt anyone with enough money to buy/own the New York Knicks is going to be a “cheap fun loving owner”. When you own the Knicks, you aren’t doing it to be cheap.

You mean like the Wilpons?

In comment 15713957 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15713948 BigBlueShock said: Quote: In comment 15713944 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15713938 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: In comment 15713923 Sean said: Quote: That he spends money and lately it appears he has gotten out of the way. Don’t get the whole North Korea vibe with how MSG is run though. Because he is thin-skinned. As simple as that. People shout shit @ Mara &-to his credit-he isn't calling security to throw them out & going to the media & saying they need to go to AA. He's a terrible owner. I wish he'd sell the team tomorrow, but that isn't happening. Be careful what you wish for, give me the thin skinned owner who spends over the cheap fun loving owner This is kind of lazy thinking. The Knicks are one of the most valuable sports franchises on the planet. I highly doubt anyone with enough money to buy/own the New York Knicks is going to be a “cheap fun loving owner”. When you own the Knicks, you aren’t doing it to be cheap. You mean like the Wilpons?

Again, lazy. There is a well known reason why the Wilpons were so cheap…

Also, the Knicks are worth around $6 Billion. The Mets are worth approximately $2.6 Billion. Literally the only thing they have in common is New York. Let’s just say I’m a bit skeptical thinking that someone is going to pay $6 Billion for the Knicks to be cheap. It’s just not happening.

Dolan spends a shit ton on the Knicks and they suck, how many people are going to be willing to do that? not everyone is going to come in and say i am going to spend a ton of money and watch the team suck every year..

and i hate this has come down to ke defending Dolan, but its lazy that when a team is bad the first person people blame is the owner..

If the Knicks had 3 chmpionships in the last 20 years and he was the still the same guy is a he a good owner?

Blame him for hiring the wrong people and being a thin skinned prick but saying everything wrong with the Knicks, like players dont come here because of him is simply not true..

and people act like he has hired nobodies...He has spent on coaches, high priced hall of fame coaches, he has spent on executives and simply just hasnt worked..

In comment 15713974 nygiants16 said:

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Dolan spends a shit ton on the Knicks and they suck, how many people are going to be willing to do that? not everyone is going to come in and say i am going to spend a ton of money and watch the team suck every year.. and i hate this has come down to ke defending Dolan, but its lazy that when a team is bad the first person people blame is the owner.. If the Knicks had 3 chmpionships in the last 20 years and he was the still the same guy is a he a good owner? Blame him for hiring the wrong people and being a thin skinned prick but saying everything wrong with the Knicks, like players dont come here because of him is simply not true.. and people act like he has hired nobodies...He has spent on coaches, high priced hall of fame coaches, he has spent on executives and simply just hasnt worked..

So who’s fault is it? Who hired Phil Jackson? Jackson set this team back every bit as much as Gettleman did the Giants. How about all of the other horrific GMs he hired? Scott Layden? Isaiah Thomas? Steve Mills? Who’s fault is that, exactly? And those inept GMs hired mostly inept coaches during those times. There’s only one constant in all of these changes and dismal performances. Who is that?

I never realized just how much he meddled with Checketts in 1999. He forced the Grunfeld firing which ultimately led to Layden. Layden was a horrific GM, I’d take Isiah Thomas over Layden seven days a week. Layden was that bad. The meddling in the Grunfeld firing ultimately led to Checketts resigning which led to JVG resigning. Dolan fucked that up bc the Knicks were his toy at the time. Every move then was a disaster.

I also think Dolan pressured the team to win now. That is what leads to the likes of Glen Rice, Mark Jackson, Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, etc.

Strictly from a basketball perspective not including off court issues, I actually think Isiah was decent in bringing in talent. Can’t really argue the Marbury trade. The Curry trade was a disaster, but Jamal Crawford was a solid player. Drafting players like Frye, Lee, Ariza & Nate Robinson. Isiah could identify talent at least.

The problem, there was never any regard for the cap.

acknowledged he's likely playing in Europe for one more season.

fucking around on social media hinting he and Mitchell will link up with the Knicks

In comment 15713983 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 15713974 nygiants16 said: Quote: Dolan spends a shit ton on the Knicks and they suck, how many people are going to be willing to do that? not everyone is going to come in and say i am going to spend a ton of money and watch the team suck every year.. and i hate this has come down to ke defending Dolan, but its lazy that when a team is bad the first person people blame is the owner.. If the Knicks had 3 chmpionships in the last 20 years and he was the still the same guy is a he a good owner? Blame him for hiring the wrong people and being a thin skinned prick but saying everything wrong with the Knicks, like players dont come here because of him is simply not true.. and people act like he has hired nobodies...He has spent on coaches, high priced hall of fame coaches, he has spent on executives and simply just hasnt worked.. So who’s fault is it? Who hired Phil Jackson? Jackson set this team back every bit as much as Gettleman did the Giants. How about all of the other horrific GMs he hired? Scott Layden? Isaiah Thomas? Steve Mills? Who’s fault is that, exactly? And those inept GMs hired mostly inept coaches during those times. There’s only one constant in all of these changes and dismal performances. Who is that?

I said it was Dolans

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I never realized just how much he meddled with Checketts in 1999. He forced the Grunfeld firing which ultimately led to Layden. Layden was a horrific GM, I’d take Isiah Thomas over Layden seven days a week. Layden was that bad. The meddling in the Grunfeld firing ultimately led to Checketts resigning which led to JVG resigning. Dolan fucked that up bc the Knicks were his toy at the time. Every move then was a disaster. I also think Dolan pressured the team to win now. That is what leads to the likes of Glen Rice, Mark Jackson, Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, etc. Strictly from a basketball perspective not including off court issues, I actually think Isiah was decent in bringing in talent. Can’t really argue the Marbury trade. The Curry trade was a disaster, but Jamal Crawford was a solid player. Drafting players like Frye, Lee, Ariza & Nate Robinson. Isiah could identify talent at least. The problem, there was never any regard for the cap.

Thats not what you said..you said no player wants to play for Dolan

That perception is out there though,. While I don’t have specific quotes, I’ve heard the rumblings. Just like there were rumblings after the Oakley fiasco that it turned off players.

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That perception is out there though,. While I don’t have specific quotes, I’ve heard the rumblings. Just like there were rumblings after the Oakley fiasco that it turned off players.

Players only care if the owner spends, otherwise they dont care, not a single player chose a team because of the Owner..


Dolan is douche and has hired the wrong people but players not coming here is not on him or solely on him, its simply not true

However, you have to admit the Knicks have come up short in both the summer of 2010 and 2019 which had massive fan build up and expectations.

I do have a feeling this summer will be different though with a Donovan Mitchell trade.

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However, you have to admit the Knicks have come up short in both the summer of 2010 and 2019 which had massive fan build up and expectations. I do have a feeling this summer will be different though with a Donovan Mitchell trade.

Never said there wasnt, but they still ended up getting Melo and Stat and should of had CP3 and had their own big 3..

2010 was a bust because they didnt realize they had to make more room..

2019 was a bust because the Knicks couodnt keep their mouth shut and even then they still had an oppurtunity to form a big 2 or even 3 and they got cold feet

1. We've been a joke of a franchise for the better part of 2 decades(that's on Dolan)
2. NYC has pull, but Miami and LA have similar gravitas and the weather is great year round
3. Us the fans. Sure if you could ever win a title you'd be the king of the town, but look at reason #1 and the players know that odds are they'll come up short and they see the way Melo and Randle were thrown under the bus in a hurry. Heck a number of people in here had turned on Randle by Thanksgiving.

MECCA shmeka. Sure the superstars love to play here, but they're perfectly content coming here as a visitor once or twice a year lighting us up like a Christmas tree and then going on their merry way.
Now had we had one iota of lottery luck the past 35 years it could have been different, but it didn't happen.

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1. We've been a joke of a franchise for the better part of 2 decades(that's on Dolan) 2. NYC has pull, but Miami and LA have similar gravitas and the weather is great year round 3. Us the fans. Sure if you could ever win a title you'd be the king of the town, but look at reason #1 and the players know that odds are they'll come up short and they see the way Melo and Randle were thrown under the bus in a hurry. Heck a number of people in here had turned on Randle by Thanksgiving. MECCA shmeka. Sure the superstars love to play here, but they're perfectly content coming here as a visitor once or twice a year lighting us up like a Christmas tree and then going on their merry way. Now had we had one iota of lottery luck the past 35 years it could have been different, but it didn't happen.

So well said.

In comment 15711448 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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In comment 15710234 Kmed6000 said: Quote: In comment 15710151 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said: Quote: getting shit when Devin Booker is the one who finished 4th in the MVP voting and is their leading scorer and face of their franchise. Not only that, but he's the one who decided to talk shit to Luka which clearly pissed Luka off "everybody talks tough when they're up". Bad bad move by Mr. Booker, dude saw he finished one spot ahead of Luka in the MVP vote and though that meant he was the same caliber of player. Luka just reminded him that there are levels to this. 100%. I hate paul the person, but as a player, he's a 37 yo PG that's had mictrofracture on his knee years ago. It's actually amazing that he's producing on this level at this point in his career. Booker should be the one feeling the wrath from that series, not Paul. Yep agreed, btw are you the kmed who used to post here back in the day?

Whats up Osi, yes that was me.

Knicks have interest in Malcolm Brogdon

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Knicks have interest in Malcolm Brogdon

I love his game but man is he injury prone. I wouldn't mind exploring a package where we get him and Turner for Randle and other assets.

30? 31?

According to Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report, the Atlanta Hawks, Detroit Pistons, Portland Trail Blazers, Charlotte Hornets and San Antonio Spurs have been mentioned as potential suitors for Ayton.

but I'm against giving up assets for Brogdon. He's older, doesn't seem to fit the timeline of the rest of the team. He's also injury prone.

Rather just let Quick start, Brunson, or draft someone.

The Knicks can't possibly go into next year with Randle as the starting PF slated to play 35 min a game. It would be utterly ridiculous given what Toppin did with those minutes.

he doesn't fit the Knicks timeline? When do you think we'll be able to compete? In 8 years? This team needs a lead guard like a man crawling through the desert needs a glass of water. I'm nervous about his injury history and I'd probably rather just sign Brunson, but there is no way I'd shy away from a star PG because he's 29 yo.

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he doesn't fit the Knicks timeline? When do you think we'll be able to compete? In 8 years? This team needs a lead guard like a man crawling through the desert needs a glass of water. I'm nervous about his injury history and I'd probably rather just sign Brunson, but there is no way I'd shy away from a star PG because he's 29 yo.

He'll be 30 next season. He's never healthy. We're talking about unloading Randle and almost every other player of value on the team will be 6+ years younger than him.

I wouldn't be mad if they traded for him, but honestly would you rather give up assets and pay a 30 year old PG over 20 million a year or give Quickley a shot to run the point.

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In comment 15717236 Stu11 said: Quote: he doesn't fit the Knicks timeline? When do you think we'll be able to compete? In 8 years? This team needs a lead guard like a man crawling through the desert needs a glass of water. I'm nervous about his injury history and I'd probably rather just sign Brunson, but there is no way I'd shy away from a star PG because he's 29 yo. He'll be 30 next season. He's never healthy. We're talking about unloading Randle and almost every other player of value on the team will be 6+ years younger than him. I wouldn't be mad if they traded for him, but honestly would you rather give up assets and pay a 30 year old PG over 20 million a year or give Quickley a shot to run the point.

its not going to take Randle plus all our other assets. Of course if that's the price you don't do it. it would probably Randle plus a pick/player. I do not share the opinion that Quick is gonna be a top playmaker in this league. He can be very good, but more as a combo guard/scorer. When healthy Brogdon is on another level. Again his injury history would probably cause me to shy away, but I wouldn't be mad if they traded for him as long as they didn't give up way too much.

I think he's a nice player when he plays. I just don't want to give up anything of value to get him. Who knows when this team will turn it around, so that makes me very gunshy about trading any 1st round picks.

Especially considering Indiana is in tear it down mode and Brogdon is going to take shots away from Haliburton, so I suspect they'd love to get off his contract as well.

He's the complete package - busts his ass on and off the court. But I have to sadly agree that he just can't stay healthy for an entire season. He played 75 games as a rookie and hasn't come close to that since. Hasn't topped 56 games the past three seasons.

They wouldnt be looking to move him..

If they took Randle, Burks and Noel for Brogdon and Turner? hell yeah lets do it, i might even throw in the 11th pick

But as mentioned, dude is always injured.