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bceagle05 : 5/6/2022 2:37 pm
I'm glad the Knicks finally learned how to stay quiet when things aren't going well - not a peep since the season ended. And the Nets were generous enough to take the slings and arrows of the basketball world for a few weeks.

NBA Draft Lottery is next Tuesday, May 17. Draft is Thursday, June 23. Offseason news will be here before ya know it.

Last year the Knicks reportedly had their eyes on some of the big wings (Murphy/Duarte/etc.) but couldn't/didn't land one. This year there are several expected to go in that 5-10 range - Sharpe, Griffin, Mathurin, Davis, Daniels - does one make it to us, or do we part with an asset to trade up a few spots? I would LOVE an aggressive move for Shaedon Sharpe, who may go as high as fifth. Otherwise I'm hoping Dyson Daniels is on the board for us - spent the year in the G-League and his offense still needs work. He'd be a good "project" pick while we continue to hopefully trim the fat off the roster. Great defender already.

Otherwise all eyes will be on Randle, Brunson and the mess in Utah.
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Utah is definitely going to blow it up.  
Heisenberg : 5/6/2022 2:40 pm : link
You have to figure they're trading Mitchell. Knicks will probably be in on it.
RE: Utah is definitely going to blow it up.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/6/2022 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15700680 Heisenberg said:
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You have to figure they're trading Mitchell. Knicks will probably be in on it.


Honestly not really sure Mitchell is the best path to take.
Clock is definitely ticking on the Knicks  
bceagle05 : 5/6/2022 2:50 pm : link
if they wish to make a trade of some significance. They have a stash of draft picks but it's mostly second rounders - and the one extra first ('23 Dallas) is obviously from a previous regime.

I'm fine with the "build through the draft" approach, but if we're doing that we should use some of the draft capital to move up for specific targets.
The Knicks bad fortune for decades can all be forgiven  
robbieballs2003 : 5/6/2022 3:07 pm : link
If we move up in the lottery.
RE: The Knicks bad fortune for decades can all be forgiven  
moze1021 : 5/6/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15700710 robbieballs2003 said:
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If we move up in the lottery.


It would certainly be a good sign re: luck changing...

9.4% chance of Top 4, 2% chance of 1st overall

78% chance to pick 11th
13% chance to pick 12th

Knicks need a break like this at some point, don't they?




I don't want them to trade away too many assets form Mitchell  
steve in ky : 5/6/2022 3:27 pm : link
Ideally they hit on one or two of their own picks instead of trading them away.
I’d like a stretch 5  
Anakim : 5/6/2022 3:32 pm : link
What about that beanpole from Florida State?
Still have no clue  
bceagle05 : 5/6/2022 3:34 pm : link
what to make of the Mitch situation - he's an impossible guy to predict.
Mitchell is at best the #2 on a championship team.  
Mike from SI : 5/6/2022 3:36 pm : link
So if we trade the farm we're going to need to attract a number 1.
The Knicks haven't figure out they need a point guard?  
arniefez : 5/6/2022 3:44 pm : link
ok.
Was  
DanMetroMan : 5/6/2022 4:04 pm : link
told to keep an eye on Davis and Murray as players the Knicks reportedly are high on.


TyTy Washington's stock is apparently way down. Might be able to grab him with the Dallas pick
Without including RJ  
larryflower37 : 5/6/2022 4:06 pm : link
I don't think we have enough to get Mitchell, he is still only 25 and hasn't peaked I think he can be a #1 on a good team plus he play PG which solves the Knicks biggest need.
This is the Knicks best chance of getting a star, Mitchell wants to play in NY, Rose and Wes know him, and Utah would be smart to move him before the season.
RE: RE: Utah is definitely going to blow it up.  
Heisenberg : 5/6/2022 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15700684 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15700680 Heisenberg said:


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You have to figure they're trading Mitchell. Knicks will probably be in on it.



Honestly not really sure Mitchell is the best path to take.


Well, 1) he'd be the best player on the team by a solid margin and 2) I think he's worth bringing in even if he just ends up being the guy you trade for a big star later on.
RE: Was  
Anakim : 5/6/2022 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15700761 DanMetroMan said:
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told to keep an eye on Davis and Murray as players the Knicks reportedly are high on.


TyTy Washington's stock is apparently way down. Might be able to grab him with the Dallas pick


Murray...he's good, but from the little I've seen of him, he seems kind of redundant with Obi on the roster.


BTW, Mavericks pick? I thought the only two picks we have are our own first round and second round picks.
You're  
DanMetroMan : 5/6/2022 4:24 pm : link
right they have the Mavs pick in 2023. Just interesting seeing Woo saying he has him in the 20's after talking to teams.
I wouldn't even hate Duren  
Anakim : 5/6/2022 4:29 pm : link
But I'd rather get a big guy who can shoot from 3
The  
DanMetroMan : 5/6/2022 4:33 pm : link
Knicks have

1 second this season
4 in 2023
4 in 2024
2 in 2025
2 in 2026

Davis and Murray are both sophomores, too  
bceagle05 : 5/6/2022 4:34 pm : link
so that would fit the pattern. Knicks haven't drafted any freshmen under this regime.
RE: You're  
DanMetroMan : 5/6/2022 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15700785 DanMetroMan said:
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right they have the Mavs pick in 2023. Just interesting seeing Woo saying he has him in the 20's after talking to teams.


Just to be clear, I did not hear the Knicks are interested in Washington at all. I just saw him being mocked as high as 7-8 and now he's apparently in the 20's so I was thinking about value.
Until we resolve the PG situation  
bceagle05 : 5/6/2022 6:11 pm : link
you’ll see PGs mocked to the Knicks every year, like TyTy has been for months. We still need everything, especially if we’re planning for life after Julius.
Ssam Vecenie did a 2021 redraft  
DanMetroMan : 5/6/2022 6:19 pm : link
still had Cade going 1/1

didn't have either Knick top 20 but-


Quentin Grimes, New York Knicks | Original Selection: No. 25: I think I actually liked Grimes’ minutes with the Knicks more than Tom Thibodeau. He defended well and knocked down the 3s that were served to him off the catch. On top of that, he had some solid moments off the bounce in space. He was No. 21 for me here. He profiles well as a player who can help in the playoffs for as long as the shooting and defense hold up.
Maybe the lottery gods smile on us  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2022 6:32 pm : link
?
I watched a lot of that Utah Dallas series because of the  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2022 7:02 pm : link
Mitchell component & I freaking love Luka. As for Mitchell, I don't see 'it'. Yeah, he's obviously a very good player-no one would dispute that-but I don't think you're winning anything of note if he's your best player. Let's say we acquire him...he's nowhere near the class of Giannis, Tatum, Embiid, KD, etc. We're not winning the East with Mitchell as our alpha dog.
What bothers me most about Mitchell  
bceagle05 : 5/6/2022 7:09 pm : link
is his defense has become a major weakness. Wasn’t he a good defender coming into the league? I know he’s undersized so he’ll never be some lockdown guy, but I kinda remember him having a good rep on that end of the court.
bc.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2022 7:13 pm : link
His defense sucked in the Dallas series. I don't remember his player profile coming out of Louisville, but his defense leaves a lot to be desired.
Mitchell pushing for a trade to Miami would be interesting.  
bceagle05 : 5/6/2022 7:38 pm : link
Wade is part of Utah’s ownership team and could steer him that way, but Ainge runs the basketball operation and can’t stand Riley from the old Lakers/Celtics days.
Honestly. Pelicans are a very good  
Earl the goat : 5/6/2022 7:38 pm : link
Team without Zion. They may trade him prior to free agency

A healthy Zion with
RJ
OBI
Grimes
IQ
Reddish

Is a fun young team

Knicks should send them Mitch and draft capital

Dump Randle on whomever will take him and go forward from there
Nice start for 76ers.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2022 7:39 pm : link
I like Embiid. He's a helluva talent & has had some horrible luck.
RE: Honestly. Pelicans are a very good  
steve in ky : 5/6/2022 7:42 pm : link
In comment 15700932 Earl the goat said:
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Team without Zion. They may trade him prior to free agency

A healthy Zion with
RJ
OBI
Grimes
IQ
Reddish

Is a fun young team

Knicks should send them Mitch and draft capital

Dump Randle on whomever will take him and go forward from there


Big men and foot injuries often don't end well in the NBA. I'd be leery of trading for Zion.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/6/2022 7:44 pm : link
Zion's talent is undeniable. But a big man with all those lower body injuries is a huge, huge red flag.
The only trades should be lateral moves or for draft assets.  
adamg : 5/6/2022 8:13 pm : link
i.e. Mitch and DAL first for Brunson is the biggest sell off we should be doing.

Moving Randle for a couple firsts would be nice too.

We need to build through the draft and keep our kids developing. We got something going on with these kids.
Whether you want Mitchell or not  
nygiants16 : 5/6/2022 9:10 pm : link
I think if he becomes available Rose and Wes are going all out to get him, he is the guy they sold Dolan on. They know him, they have a relationship with him..

If they did trade for him, he needs to be the point guard, he controls the ball, put a 3 and d wing nect to him, rj at the 3 Obi at the 4 and a big who can stretch the floor..

Thibs uses him like Derrick Rose in his prime
RE: I watched a lot of that Utah Dallas series because of the  
larryflower37 : 5/6/2022 10:03 pm : link
In comment 15700906 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Mitchell component & I freaking love Luka. As for Mitchell, I don't see 'it'. Yeah, he's obviously a very good player-no one would dispute that-but I don't think you're winning anything of note if he's your best player. Let's say we acquire him...he's nowhere near the class of Giannis, Tatum, Embiid, KD, etc. We're not winning the East with Mitchell as our alpha dog.

The last 2 playoffs he carried them on his back and averaged over 35.
I think there is a big problem in Utah.
RE: Whether you want Mitchell or not  
larryflower37 : 5/6/2022 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15701004 nygiants16 said:
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I think if he becomes available Rose and Wes are going all out to get him, he is the guy they sold Dolan on. They know him, they have a relationship with him..

If they did trade for him, he needs to be the point guard, he controls the ball, put a 3 and d wing nect to him, rj at the 3 Obi at the 4 and a big who can stretch the floor..

Thibs uses him like Derrick Rose in his prime

I agree completely and I think this is their big prize.
He is a NY kid that loves the Mets he was mobbed at the Met game I am sure that is a big draw for him.
My concern is giving up too much but that will happen with any star.
Yahoo writer offers Mitchell trade scenarios  
shyster : 5/7/2022 2:46 am : link
for a bunch of teams.

For the Knicks, he proposes a package that includes both RJ and Obi, as well as a first round pick.

This is what happens when outside observers rack their brains trying to figure out what the Knicks have that another team could possibly want.

I doubt Mitchell will see a winning situation here, whatever package Knicks might come up with.

yahoo - ( New Window )
Actually the guy I think to keep an eye on is Dame  
Stu11 : 5/7/2022 9:58 am : link
Everybody forgot about him because he missed the 2nd half of the season but I bet he asks out this Summer. Simons showed a lot of potential as a lead guy there with Dame out. Not saying it's necessarily the best move, and I'm sure a lot here won't want it. However if the Sixers decide to keep Harden I think we might be the top suitor for Dame and who knows maybe the package will be a little less than Mitchell. By the way one thing that makes our offers for these types of stars better than most other teams in the mix is the value of our 1st rounders. Usually the big contenders hunting these players down become championship contenders if they aquire them. Their #1 picks are most likely in the high 20's or worse for the near future. Our pick this year will probably be 11 or 12 and even going forward if we get a Mitchell or Dame our #1's could still not be that low. For rebuilding teams that can be a big deal.
RE: Yahoo writer offers Mitchell trade scenarios  
nygiants16 : 5/7/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15701083 shyster said:
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for a bunch of teams.

For the Knicks, he proposes a package that includes both RJ and Obi, as well as a first round pick.

This is what happens when outside observers rack their brains trying to figure out what the Knicks have that another team could possibly want.

I doubt Mitchell will see a winning situation here, whatever package Knicks might come up with. yahoo - ( New Window )


When players ask for a trade they usually look for 2 things as their deciding factor..

Who am i playing with or who can i get in the future to come play with me..

Who is running the team and do i trust them with my future..

Mitchell may see the Knicks as a way to get a partner, he is not going to get it in Utah, he may also like some of the young pieces in NY, OR he thinks/knows he can recruit someone as a free agent or another trade down the line..

He also is going to trust Rose, Wes and Perrin..He knows those guys, Rose was his agent when he came into the league he is still apart of CAA..perrin is the guy who drafted him..

Everyone always says  
nygiants16 : 5/7/2022 10:26 am : link
build it slow or build threw the draft and thats fine if you have a guy that you know is your star and you drafted him..

I love the Knicks young core, i have defended it many many times, but if a star becomes available you go for it, i am not saying trade everyone but i am going all in..

Once you get a star, it should be easy, anf mitchell is a guy other players like and will want to play with and hr is only 25, you got 10 years of prime..

RE: Yahoo writer offers Mitchell trade scenarios  
TyreeHelmet : 5/7/2022 10:27 am : link
In comment 15701083 shyster said:
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for a bunch of teams.

For the Knicks, he proposes a package that includes both RJ and Obi, as well as a first round pick.

This is what happens when outside observers rack their brains trying to figure out what the Knicks have that another team could possibly want.

I doubt Mitchell will see a winning situation here, whatever package Knicks might come up with. yahoo - ( New Window )


That’s a pretty fair trade in my opinion. People are picking him apart now but Mitchell is a 25 year old star guard who averages 25 a night. I would do that trade.

I get the risk with Zion but the upside is there and can be a league MVP. If there’s any chance to get him I would be all over it.

Is Brogdon a possibility?

I would still love Brunson here. I just wish they had the cap space to do it and not have to work a sign or trade or get off contracts to make it happen.

I’m still hoping they can send Randle to Portland for one of their 1st round picks.

Big offseason for Leon Rose and company…would be nice to hear the guy interviewed at some point.
Until the lottery happens, I’m crossing my fingers  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/7/2022 10:56 am : link
for a top 4 pick and using THAT as the focal point of a Mitchell trade. Then they wouldn’t have to attach RJ or Obi to the trade and could move Randle for peanuts to any team willing to take the salary. (The Cavs only added a first rounder and shitty Anthony Bennett in the trade for Love.)

I can dream.

Otherwise, the thought of adding a star needs to be downgraded to adding a competent point, moving Randle for the best possible return, and getting something for Mitch Robinson.
RE: RE: Yahoo writer offers Mitchell trade scenarios  
TommyWiseau : 5/7/2022 1:28 pm : link
In comment 15701219 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 15701083 shyster said:


Quote:


for a bunch of teams.

For the Knicks, he proposes a package that includes both RJ and Obi, as well as a first round pick.

This is what happens when outside observers rack their brains trying to figure out what the Knicks have that another team could possibly want.

I doubt Mitchell will see a winning situation here, whatever package Knicks might come up with. yahoo - ( New Window )



That’s a pretty fair trade in my opinion. People are picking him apart now but Mitchell is a 25 year old star guard who averages 25 a night. I would do that trade.

I get the risk with Zion but the upside is there and can be a league MVP. If there’s any chance to get him I would be all over it.

Is Brogdon a possibility?

I would still love Brunson here. I just wish they had the cap space to do it and not have to work a sign or trade or get off contracts to make it happen.

I’m still hoping they can send Randle to Portland for one of their 1st round picks.

Big offseason for Leon Rose and company…would be nice to hear the guy interviewed at some point.


Unloading Randle for any kind of asset and signing Brunson would be nice. I am not sure Mitchell is the play, we would have to gut the roster. At least he is much younger then gutting the roster for Dame.
Pour one out today for the 20 year anniversary of  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/7/2022 1:30 pm : link
AI's practice rant on May 7, 2002. I thought at the time he was hammered & still think that today.
RE: Pour one out today for the 20 year anniversary of  
nygiants16 : 5/7/2022 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15701370 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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AI's practice rant on May 7, 2002. I thought at the time he was hammered & still think that today.


His best friend just was killed, there is a whole part that is edited out of that rant
RE: Yahoo writer offers Mitchell trade scenarios  
Anakim : 5/7/2022 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15701083 shyster said:
Quote:
for a bunch of teams.

For the Knicks, he proposes a package that includes both RJ and Obi, as well as a first round pick.

This is what happens when outside observers rack their brains trying to figure out what the Knicks have that another team could possibly want.

I doubt Mitchell will see a winning situation here, whatever package Knicks might come up with. yahoo - ( New Window )


I mean…am I the only one who wouldn’t even trade RJ for Mitchell straight up?
RE: RE: Pour one out today for the 20 year anniversary of  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/7/2022 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15701413 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
In comment 15701370 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


Quote:


AI's practice rant on May 7, 2002. I thought at the time he was hammered & still think that today.



His best friend just was killed, there is a whole part that is edited out of that rant


nygiants16, damn. I didn't know that. Thanks for information.
RE: RE: RE: Pour one out today for the 20 year anniversary of  
nygiants16 : 5/7/2022 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15701439 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15701413 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


In comment 15701370 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


Quote:


AI's practice rant on May 7, 2002. I thought at the time he was hammered & still think that today.



His best friend just was killed, there is a whole part that is edited out of that rant



nygiants16, damn. I didn't know that. Thanks for information.


yeah there is a whole story behind it that is never mentioned
I like the Bucks...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/7/2022 4:35 pm : link
With the notable exception of Grayson Fucking Allen.
The Knicks? Just hoping for a good draft pick  
ghost718 : 5/7/2022 7:02 pm : link
and don't get hit with a tampering charge,idiots
RE: RE: Yahoo writer offers Mitchell trade scenarios  
TyreeHelmet : 5/7/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15701415 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 15701083 shyster said:


Quote:


for a bunch of teams.

For the Knicks, he proposes a package that includes both RJ and Obi, as well as a first round pick.

This is what happens when outside observers rack their brains trying to figure out what the Knicks have that another team could possibly want.

I doubt Mitchell will see a winning situation here, whatever package Knicks might come up with. yahoo - ( New Window )



I mean…am I the only one who wouldn’t even trade RJ for Mitchell straight up?


You honestly wouldn’t trade Barrett for Mitchell straight up?
If it meant keeping Iq, Grimes and Toppin  
nygiants16 : 5/7/2022 8:48 pm : link
and a couple less 1st rounders, i would do it
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