NFT: Knicks Chat: I got nothing. You?

In comment 15701663 nygiants16 said:

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and a couple less 1st rounders, i would do it

My sentiments exactly. RJ is the best of the Knicks’ young players, but it’s not like he’s a whole tier above them.

The odds that RJ ever becomes a natural scorer like that are slim. Mitchell is gifted. He has his flaws but he's a better player and probably always will be.

you trade whatever for Mitchell. If you're building to win a championship, we have to luck out and get a franchise player through the lottery and then add to that. I just don't know how you have enough ammo to get 2 stars if you trade everything for Mitchell.

Look at the Knicks roster. If you take off a bunch of assets and add Mitchell, is it better than Utah is now with Gobert? Probably not. MAYBE it's the same talent level, but the east is tougher than the West. I think we'd be a bottom tier playoff team with that sort of trade.

In comment 15701767 Jan in DC said:

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you trade whatever for Mitchell. If you're building to win a championship, we have to luck out and get a franchise player through the lottery and then add to that. I just don't know how you have enough ammo to get 2 stars if you trade everything for Mitchell. Look at the Knicks roster. If you take off a bunch of assets and add Mitchell, is it better than Utah is now with Gobert? Probably not. MAYBE it's the same talent level, but the east is tougher than the West. I think we'd be a bottom tier playoff team with that sort of trade.

You are not done after you get Mitchell..You can still add a 2nd star via free agency, its not like the team would be capped out..

and you can trade Rj, vets for cap filler and some draft picks and still have a good team and cap space

The link is part two of it, where they (Jon Macri and Jeremy Cohen) specifically get into pros and cons.
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that hit piece on Dolan NOT being around the team enough now is absurd

In comment 15704643 DanMetroMan said:

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that hit piece on Dolan NOT being around the team enough now is absurd

who wrotr it?

with Hollinger the other day on the Knicks. Below is his take on Barrett. I agree with most of it, although I'm not sure where the "substantial improvement" was:

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Barrett showed substantial improvement last season and still has another year left on his rookie deal, plus he’ll only be 22 next year and plays one of the hardest positions to fill as a big wing creator. On the other hand, it’s tough to nail down one area where he’s genuinely good unless you count “going left every time” as a skill. He’s a 35.7 percent career 3-point shooter, just OK as a finisher in traffic and still struggles from the line. Barrett is up for an extension this summer, but New York could always opt to kick the can down the road and deal with his restricted free agency in 2023-24, and if he’s seeking max-type money, that might be the wiser path. I think he’s a starter-caliber player right now, and maybe on the pathway to something much, much better than that … but he’s neither a freak athlete nor an elite skill guy, so it all seems very speculative.

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I don't think he can be the alpha on a title contending team, but a solid Robin to someone's Batman.

and getting to the line this season. He was definitely more aggressive post-new years, which is good. I don't think RJ's currently a max player. I'm not saying that as a slight against him, I think he's good and still maturing, but if his agent says the max, I kick that can down the road.

Lakers get Zach Lavine

Bulls get Randle and Fournier

Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st

I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi

In comment 15705092 nygiants16 said:

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Lakers get Zach Lavine Bulls get Randle and Fournier Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi

So the Lakers get LaVine for Westbrook and 2 firsts 5 years from now? Screw them, I’d rather just have LaVine for Randle and Fournier in that scenario.

In comment 15705105 Mike in NJ said:

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In comment 15705092 nygiants16 said: Quote: Lakers get Zach Lavine Bulls get Randle and Fournier Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi So the Lakers get LaVine for Westbrook and 2 firsts 5 years from now? Screw them, I’d rather just have LaVine for Randle and Fournier in that scenario.

If Lavine wants to come to the Knicks sure lol, sign me up, i have wanted Lavine for a couple of years..

The thought is he wants to go to the Lakers

according to Fischer, i dont see why he would go to Detroit or the Pacers, in both situations he is not the point guard, in that case just stay with Dallas..

Not coming from their end that they are willing to trade Mitchell according to Fischer..

In comment 15705092 nygiants16 said:

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Lakers get Zach Lavine Bulls get Randle and Fournier Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi

this is terrible for Bulls and Knicks - and great for the Lakers, lol.

In comment 15705111 nygiants16 said:

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according to Fischer, i dont see why he would go to Detroit or the Pacers, in both situations he is not the point guard, in that case just stay with Dallas..

I think he's going to whoever pays him the most. He's almost 26 and, relatively speaking, hasn't made much money yet. This is his chance to cash in.

In comment 15704666 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15704643 DanMetroMan said: Quote: that hit piece on Dolan NOT being around the team enough now is absurd who wrotr it?

Brett Siegel


Donovan Mitchell’s father, Donovan Mitchell Sr., has worked with the New York Mets organization in the MLB for over two decades now and Mitchell was always around New York City growing up.

Should the opportunity come his way, Donovan Mitchell is not opposed to the idea of playing for the New York Knicks one day, sources say, but he is not the biggest fan of Knicks’ owner James Dolan.

Many around the league share the same feelings as Mitchell in regards to how Dolan runs the Knicks organization and over the years, several other All-Star talents have turned down the opportunity to sign with the Knicks in free agency because of the lack of accountability and willingness to succeed at the top of their franchise.

“Fans, players, league personnel… so many people have been calling for James Dolan to sell the Knicks for years, yet he has been unwilling to do so,” one league source told SI Fastbreak. “So many owners around the league actually care about their team, their success on the floor and their players, yet Dolan is never around and he cares more about his music and band than the Knicks as a whole.”

The Knicks’ owner is the founding member of JD & The Straight Shot, a country blues and roots rock vanity project that was once described by The New York Times as a group of “well-known sidemen backing a karaoke grade singer.”

“When you have All-Stars, some of the best of the best, turning down an offer to play in arguably the greatest basketball arena in the world in Madison Square Garden for one of the league’s most historic franchises because of the team’s owner, that is a major problem not only for the franchise, but for the NBA as a whole,” one NBA agent told SI Fastbreak in regards to the Knicks. “[James] Dolan is not around for the first 80 games of the year and then comes back after touring around with his band thinking he knows what’s going on and that he can magically fix things. It is just a complete joke to be perfectly honest and you almost feel bad for those who have had to try and run this organization under him.”
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In comment 15705111 nygiants16 said: Quote: according to Fischer, i dont see why he would go to Detroit or the Pacers, in both situations he is not the point guard, in that case just stay with Dallas.. I think he's going to whoever pays him the most. He's almost 26 and, relatively speaking, hasn't made much money yet. This is his chance to cash in.

all money equal he is going to the place he can be the ppint guard

In comment 15705154 Enzo said:

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In comment 15705092 nygiants16 said: Quote: Lakers get Zach Lavine Bulls get Randle and Fournier Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi this is terrible for Bulls and Knicks - and great for the Lakers, lol.

you get 2 unprotected firsts and clean the books for Randle and Fournier, its a no brainer for the knicks

In comment 15705162 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15704666 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15704643 DanMetroMan said: Quote: that hit piece on Dolan NOT being around the team enough now is absurd who wrotr it? Brett Siegel Donovan Mitchell’s father, Donovan Mitchell Sr., has worked with the New York Mets organization in the MLB for over two decades now and Mitchell was always around New York City growing up. Should the opportunity come his way, Donovan Mitchell is not opposed to the idea of playing for the New York Knicks one day, sources say, but he is not the biggest fan of Knicks’ owner James Dolan. Many around the league share the same feelings as Mitchell in regards to how Dolan runs the Knicks organization and over the years, several other All-Star talents have turned down the opportunity to sign with the Knicks in free agency because of the lack of accountability and willingness to succeed at the top of their franchise. “Fans, players, league personnel… so many people have been calling for James Dolan to sell the Knicks for years, yet he has been unwilling to do so,” one league source told SI Fastbreak. “So many owners around the league actually care about their team, their success on the floor and their players, yet Dolan is never around and he cares more about his music and band than the Knicks as a whole.” The Knicks’ owner is the founding member of JD & The Straight Shot, a country blues and roots rock vanity project that was once described by The New York Times as a group of “well-known sidemen backing a karaoke grade singer.” “When you have All-Stars, some of the best of the best, turning down an offer to play in arguably the greatest basketball arena in the world in Madison Square Garden for one of the league’s most historic franchises because of the team’s owner, that is a major problem not only for the franchise, but for the NBA as a whole,” one NBA agent told SI Fastbreak in regards to the Knicks. “[James] Dolan is not around for the first 80 games of the year and then comes back after touring around with his band thinking he knows what’s going on and that he can magically fix things. It is just a complete joke to be perfectly honest and you almost feel bad for those who have had to try and run this organization under him.” Link - ( New Window )

This is the dumbest thing i have ever read, so Dolan stays away and still spends a ton but he doesnt care?

Dolans issue isnt that he doesnt care, its that he continuously hires the wrong people and cares to much about the media..

In comment 15705174 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15705154 Enzo said: Quote: In comment 15705092 nygiants16 said: Quote: Lakers get Zach Lavine Bulls get Randle and Fournier Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi this is terrible for Bulls and Knicks - and great for the Lakers, lol. you get 2 unprotected firsts and clean the books for Randle and Fournier, its a no brainer for the knicks

IMO, Fournier is not a negative asset. And it's worth the risk to see if Randle can rebuild his value and turn himself back into a positive asset. Or if you're going to trade him, trade him for a similar "change of scenery" type player. I think they're potentially worth more than just cap space in 2023 and 2 picks WAY out in the future.

no-brainer for the Knicks, awful deal for the Bulls.

the books AND opens up PT for multiple players already on the roster (plus opens up more PT for the guards which will be an "issue" if they intend to sign Brunson)


Brunson, IQ, Fournier, Rose, McBride, Grimes and that doesn't include Rokas who apparently won't be coming next season but also doesn't include their draft picks either.

In comment 15705105 Mike in NJ said:

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In comment 15705092 nygiants16 said: Quote: Lakers get Zach Lavine Bulls get Randle and Fournier Knicks get Westbrook, 27 1st and 28 1st I do this if the Picks are unprotected, open a lot of space for next year to build around quick, rj and Obi So the Lakers get LaVine for Westbrook and 2 firsts 5 years from now? Screw them, I’d rather just have LaVine for Randle and Fournier in that scenario.

Exactly. How the fuck are the lakers getting Lavine for chopped liver and onions? Fuck them. Send LAvine this way thx.

LAL is landing LaVine it probably begins and ends with Anthony Davis (who is from Chicago)

“I’d also keep an eye on Simmons, too,” wrote Chris Kirschner of The Athletic. “Several people inside the Hawks’ organization wanted Simmons at the trade deadline. The price might not be as high to land him now, especially if Brooklyn decides to move on before he plays one game for the Nets.”

In comment 15705201 DanMetroMan said:

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“I’d also keep an eye on Simmons, too,” wrote Chris Kirschner of The Athletic. “Several people inside the Hawks’ organization wanted Simmons at the trade deadline. The price might not be as high to land him now, especially if Brooklyn decides to move on before he plays one game for the Nets.”

They got a little taste of his commitment to winning.

deal?

🙄🙄🙄.

Not a lot of leverage for Chicago here. This is why he might get traded for "peanuts". He's picking where he wants to sign in this scenario.

wont commit to signing Irving long term, seems like changes are on the way for Brooklyn

I wouldn't give a long term contract to that space cadet.

but you would think their best chance to win a title is with Irving. Unless they pull off some crazy sign-and-trade.

lets be real, Marks and thr Nets talked a big game about Irving not playing only away games and they wouldnt allow it..Then they gave in..

highly doubtful they let Kyrie walk

not scared off by Rudy's contract? Assuming Mitchell stays put (I don't see Ainge trading him with 3 years left on his deal), I think Rudy is the one who leaves Utah. I'd be willing to pursue him for the right price.

Past winners include Luka, Rubio, Bogdan Bogdanovic - and plenty of guys we've never heard of. Hopefully he is featured during Summer League.

the plan no longer is for Rokas to come over for 2023.

In comment 15705438 DanMetroMan said:

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the plan no longer is for Rokas to come over for 2023.

Is he coming sooner then? Or not at all?

Would be nice to have that on the roster.

In comment 15705496 Jan in DC said:

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In comment 15705438 DanMetroMan said: Quote: the plan no longer is for Rokas to come over for 2023. Is he coming sooner then? Or not at all?

per Donatas Urbonas the Knicks are NOT expected to bring him over "this summer"


Donatas Urbonas: From what I’ve heard regarding the New York Knicks and their plans for Rokas Jokubaitis, there are no intentions yet on bringing him to the team for the upcoming summer.

In comment 15705524 Anakim said:

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Would be nice to have that on the roster.

more combo

I still can't believe Frank is just 23 YOA. He seemed a lot older.

Good Lord.

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game.

Couple of great defensive plays against DPOY Smart.

In comment 15705880 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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game.

I'm steamed

should be in the PG mix for the Knicks.

Jeremy Cohen thinks that the Knicks shouldn't do that proposed trade where they dump Julius.

I think he values the Randle contract for the salaries sake, to include in any potential trades. But for me, it comes down to Randle is a distressed asset. You make that trade if you think that the Randle 2 years ago was not a mirage. For me, I think he's probably somewhere between the player last year and 2 years ago, but in the end it doesn't matter. It's 2 picks for 2 players where you're trying to free up time in your rotation.

I don't think you need to care about what happens to Russ. He's firmly in the John Wall category at this point. Buy him out, let him sit on the bench or rot at home, who cares. Next year is another developmental year at this rate.