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bceagle05 : 5/6/2022 2:37 pm
I'm glad the Knicks finally learned how to stay quiet when things aren't going well - not a peep since the season ended. And the Nets were generous enough to take the slings and arrows of the basketball world for a few weeks.

NBA Draft Lottery is next Tuesday, May 17. Draft is Thursday, June 23. Offseason news will be here before ya know it.

Last year the Knicks reportedly had their eyes on some of the big wings (Murphy/Duarte/etc.) but couldn't/didn't land one. This year there are several expected to go in that 5-10 range - Sharpe, Griffin, Mathurin, Davis, Daniels - does one make it to us, or do we part with an asset to trade up a few spots? I would LOVE an aggressive move for Shaedon Sharpe, who may go as high as fifth. Otherwise I'm hoping Dyson Daniels is on the board for us - spent the year in the G-League and his offense still needs work. He'd be a good "project" pick while we continue to hopefully trim the fat off the roster. Great defender already.

Otherwise all eyes will be on Randle, Brunson and the mess in Utah.
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I just ran the Tankathon simulator 6 times  
Strahan91 : 5/17/2022 6:25 pm : link
and got the Knicks in the top 4 in half of them. Usually it takes a lot of tries. Maybe they should've sent me instead of Wes!
RE: Wouldnt it be nice  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2022 6:59 pm : link
In comment 15711635 nygiants16 said:
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to actually get the number 1 pick and have a month of speculation and discussion on who thr Knicks should take?


nygiants16, it'd also find it nice if Jessica Alba was waiting for me naked in the mancave tonight, but I live in reality, Haha.

Watch we get the #1 pick & end up with the next Bennett.
RE: RE: Wouldnt it be nice  
nygiants16 : 5/17/2022 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15711668 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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to actually get the number 1 pick and have a month of speculation and discussion on who thr Knicks should take?



nygiants16, it'd also find it nice if Jessica Alba was waiting for me naked in the mancave tonight, but I live in reality, Haha.

Watch we get the #1 pick & end up with the next Bennett.


hahahahahahaha

I have no doubt Knicks will not move up at all
Doubt he's  
DanMetroMan : 5/18/2022 3:56 pm : link
there at 11 at this point

Jonathan Wasserman
@NBADraftWass
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38m
Dyson Daniels 2.95 shuttle run time would have been fastest at last year’s combine. 10.8 lane agility time same as Scottie Barnes’. Daniels measured 6’7.5” in shoes, 6-10 WS. Averaged 2 steals in G League at 18 y/o. Exciting defensive guard prospect.
I just have no confidence in Dolan..  
Sean : 5/19/2022 11:31 am : link
After reading Blood in the Garden and listening to “Shattered” on the athletic about the Knicks the last 20 years, Dolan is that bad. Players don’t want to play for him and it’s been proven over and over again.
RE: I just have no confidence in Dolan..  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2022 11:39 am : link
In comment 15713319 Sean said:
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After reading Blood in the Garden and listening to “Shattered” on the athletic about the Knicks the last 20 years, Dolan is that bad. Players don’t want to play for him and it’s been proven over and over again.


Based on what? show me a quote from a player that said they didnt go to the Knicks because of Dolan..
I don’t have a specific quote..  
Sean : 5/19/2022 11:42 am : link
Are you defending Dolan based on the last 20 years?
nyg16  
Sean : 5/19/2022 11:46 am : link
Here’s an article from Kanter. How can you argue otherwise based on the results?
Link - ( New Window )
RE: I don’t have a specific quote..  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2022 11:47 am : link
In comment 15713333 Sean said:
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Are you defending Dolan based on the last 20 years?


No i am just saying people use Dolan as a cop out..I blame him for bad press when it comes to the media, i blame him for hiring the wrong people, but not everything is his fault..

and hate to break it to you, players want to play here the Knicks just constantly fuck it up..

Chris Paul wanted to be here in 2010 with Melo and Stat, Knicks went and signed Chandler..

Anthkny Davis wanted to be here, Knicks decided not to pull the trigger..

Dwade has said thr Knicks were in consideration but they couodnt get the full cap space for 3 guys..

Could of traded for Kyrie or Kawhi, Knicks refused..

This idea no one wants to player is media driven
RE: nyg16  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2022 11:48 am : link
In comment 15713339 Sean said:
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Here’s an article from Kanter. How can you argue otherwise based on the results? Link - ( New Window )


You mean the same Enes Kanter who hated the Knicks at the end because they benched him?
The results are the results..  
Sean : 5/19/2022 11:52 am : link
I’ve been diving into the end of the Knicks run from 1999 on and I’m just floored at how brutal Dolan was.

Teams have rebuilt multiple times over in the time the Knicks have tried to build a sustainable contender.
RE: The results are the results..  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2022 11:54 am : link
In comment 15713350 Sean said:
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I’ve been diving into the end of the Knicks run from 1999 on and I’m just floored at how brutal Dolan was.

Teams have rebuilt multiple times over in the time the Knicks have tried to build a sustainable contender.


But how is that all Dolans fault? They tried to rebuild and keep winning, they never completely tore it down and when they did it they always missed out on the generational talent...

Rebuilding is a lot of luck..The warriors were a dumpster fire until they got lucky with Curry, Thompson and draymond..

Its a lot of luck...
There are a lot worse owners in the NBA  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2022 11:55 am : link
who win..
Dolan is a joke.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/19/2022 7:17 pm : link
I think the truth is somewhere between what Sean is arguing & what nygiants16 is rebutting.

Dolan took over in '99. Since then, the Knicks have been the league's biggest joke of a franchise. Hell, even the Kings & T'Wolves-jokes themselves-have made conference finals since then. He constantly makes an ass out of himself, be it with having Oak ejected to the Browne Sanders debacle to having fans potentially banned for dare criticizing the Dear Leader. And God forbid you do go at him, you're obviously struggling with alcohol & should seek treatment...

But, as nygiants16 points out, a lot of it is luck. We missed Curry & Ja both by one pick. We NEVER get any luck with the lottery. LBJ, Wade, & Bosh were-from some accounts-really intrigued about coming to NY until the meeting when Walsh is in a wheelchair & Dolan is being his usual jackass self. That later point...(rolling eyes).
RE: Dolan is a joke.  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2022 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15713899 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think the truth is somewhere between what Sean is arguing & what nygiants16 is rebutting.

Dolan took over in '99. Since then, the Knicks have been the league's biggest joke of a franchise. Hell, even the Kings & T'Wolves-jokes themselves-have made conference finals since then. He constantly makes an ass out of himself, be it with having Oak ejected to the Browne Sanders debacle to having fans potentially banned for dare criticizing the Dear Leader. And God forbid you do go at him, you're obviously struggling with alcohol & should seek treatment...

But, as nygiants16 points out, a lot of it is luck. We missed Curry & Ja both by one pick. We NEVER get any luck with the lottery. LBJ, Wade, & Bosh were-from some accounts-really intrigued about coming to NY until the meeting when Walsh is in a wheelchair & Dolan is being his usual jackass self. That later point...(rolling eyes).


Not arguing any of this, my only argument is this idea no one wants to come here is laughable..

No one comes here because you are fricken stupid and dont tske chances when the chsnce is there..

You also leak shit to the media ehich is hilarious because the relationship with the media is awful..

I still maintain that it pissed KD off whrn he constantly got asked questions about coming to NY and it was out there he was coming to the Knicks..
I know for a fact  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2022 7:58 pm : link
The Knicks had a deal in place for AD, Griffin didnt want to send him to LA, the Knicks got cold feet
Dolan is fine in the sense..  
Sean : 5/19/2022 8:01 pm : link
That he spends money and lately it appears he has gotten out of the way. Don’t get the whole North Korea vibe with how MSG is run though.
Portland reportedly willing to trade their pick for a veteran  
Sean : 5/19/2022 8:01 pm : link
Randle?
RE: Dolan is fine in the sense..  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/19/2022 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15713923 Sean said:
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That he spends money and lately it appears he has gotten out of the way. Don’t get the whole North Korea vibe with how MSG is run though.


Because he is thin-skinned. As simple as that. People shout shit @ Mara &-to his credit-he isn't calling security to throw them out & going to the media & saying they need to go to AA.

He's a terrible owner. I wish he'd sell the team tomorrow, but that isn't happening.
RE: RE: Dolan is fine in the sense..  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2022 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15713938 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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That he spends money and lately it appears he has gotten out of the way. Don’t get the whole North Korea vibe with how MSG is run though.



Because he is thin-skinned. As simple as that. People shout shit @ Mara &-to his credit-he isn't calling security to throw them out & going to the media & saying they need to go to AA.

He's a terrible owner. I wish he'd sell the team tomorrow, but that isn't happening.


Be careful what you wish for, give me the thin skinned owner who spends over the cheap fun loving owner
According to Berman  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2022 8:32 pm : link
Knicks hired Tim Hardaway as a scout and he has been interviewing prospects at the combine..

Knicks interviewed mathurin and davis today
RE: RE: RE: Dolan is fine in the sense..  
BigBlueShock : 5/19/2022 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15713944 nygiants16 said:
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That he spends money and lately it appears he has gotten out of the way. Don’t get the whole North Korea vibe with how MSG is run though.



Because he is thin-skinned. As simple as that. People shout shit @ Mara &-to his credit-he isn't calling security to throw them out & going to the media & saying they need to go to AA.

He's a terrible owner. I wish he'd sell the team tomorrow, but that isn't happening.



Be careful what you wish for, give me the thin skinned owner who spends over the cheap fun loving owner

This is kind of lazy thinking. The Knicks are one of the most valuable sports franchises on the planet. I highly doubt anyone with enough money to buy/own the New York Knicks is going to be a “cheap fun loving owner”. When you own the Knicks, you aren’t doing it to be cheap.
Steve Ballmer strikes me as the perfect owner.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/19/2022 8:46 pm : link
Willing to spend. Doesn't interfere. Hires people & let's them run the show. Might act like a jackass watching games, but not hurting anyone.

Hell, I'd settle for Cuban.
RE: According to Berman  
Sean : 5/19/2022 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15713946 nygiants16 said:
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Knicks hired Tim Hardaway as a scout and he has been interviewing prospects at the combine..

Knicks interviewed mathurin and davis today

The same Tim Hardaway who provided this quote?
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Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
@LeBatardShow
"I hate the Knicks with all hate you can hate with.Can you hate more than that? If you can, then I hate them more than that." - Tim Hardaway
RE: RE: RE: RE: Dolan is fine in the sense..  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2022 8:57 pm : link
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That he spends money and lately it appears he has gotten out of the way. Don’t get the whole North Korea vibe with how MSG is run though.



Because he is thin-skinned. As simple as that. People shout shit @ Mara &-to his credit-he isn't calling security to throw them out & going to the media & saying they need to go to AA.

He's a terrible owner. I wish he'd sell the team tomorrow, but that isn't happening.



Be careful what you wish for, give me the thin skinned owner who spends over the cheap fun loving owner


This is kind of lazy thinking. The Knicks are one of the most valuable sports franchises on the planet. I highly doubt anyone with enough money to buy/own the New York Knicks is going to be a “cheap fun loving owner”. When you own the Knicks, you aren’t doing it to be cheap.


You mean like the Wilpons?
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BigBlueShock : 5/19/2022 9:09 pm : link
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That he spends money and lately it appears he has gotten out of the way. Don’t get the whole North Korea vibe with how MSG is run though.



Because he is thin-skinned. As simple as that. People shout shit @ Mara &-to his credit-he isn't calling security to throw them out & going to the media & saying they need to go to AA.

He's a terrible owner. I wish he'd sell the team tomorrow, but that isn't happening.



Be careful what you wish for, give me the thin skinned owner who spends over the cheap fun loving owner


This is kind of lazy thinking. The Knicks are one of the most valuable sports franchises on the planet. I highly doubt anyone with enough money to buy/own the New York Knicks is going to be a “cheap fun loving owner”. When you own the Knicks, you aren’t doing it to be cheap.



You mean like the Wilpons?

Again, lazy. There is a well known reason why the Wilpons were so cheap…

Also, the Knicks are worth around $6 Billion. The Mets are worth approximately $2.6 Billion. Literally the only thing they have in common is New York. Let’s just say I’m a bit skeptical thinking that someone is going to pay $6 Billion for the Knicks to be cheap. It’s just not happening.
Ok thats fine you can call it lazy all you want  
nygiants16 : 5/19/2022 9:30 pm : link
Dolan spends a shit ton on the Knicks and they suck, how many people are going to be willing to do that? not everyone is going to come in and say i am going to spend a ton of money and watch the team suck every year..

and i hate this has come down to ke defending Dolan, but its lazy that when a team is bad the first person people blame is the owner..

If the Knicks had 3 chmpionships in the last 20 years and he was the still the same guy is a he a good owner?

Blame him for hiring the wrong people and being a thin skinned prick but saying everything wrong with the Knicks, like players dont come here because of him is simply not true..

and people act like he has hired nobodies...He has spent on coaches, high priced hall of fame coaches, he has spent on executives and simply just hasnt worked..
RE: Ok thats fine you can call it lazy all you want  
BigBlueShock : 5/19/2022 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15713974 nygiants16 said:
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Dolan spends a shit ton on the Knicks and they suck, how many people are going to be willing to do that? not everyone is going to come in and say i am going to spend a ton of money and watch the team suck every year..

and i hate this has come down to ke defending Dolan, but its lazy that when a team is bad the first person people blame is the owner..

If the Knicks had 3 chmpionships in the last 20 years and he was the still the same guy is a he a good owner?

Blame him for hiring the wrong people and being a thin skinned prick but saying everything wrong with the Knicks, like players dont come here because of him is simply not true..

and people act like he has hired nobodies...He has spent on coaches, high priced hall of fame coaches, he has spent on executives and simply just hasnt worked..

So who’s fault is it? Who hired Phil Jackson? Jackson set this team back every bit as much as Gettleman did the Giants. How about all of the other horrific GMs he hired? Scott Layden? Isaiah Thomas? Steve Mills? Who’s fault is that, exactly? And those inept GMs hired mostly inept coaches during those times. There’s only one constant in all of these changes and dismal performances. Who is that?
My reason for bringing up Dolan..  
Sean : 5/19/2022 10:00 pm : link
I never realized just how much he meddled with Checketts in 1999. He forced the Grunfeld firing which ultimately led to Layden. Layden was a horrific GM, I’d take Isiah Thomas over Layden seven days a week. Layden was that bad. The meddling in the Grunfeld firing ultimately led to Checketts resigning which led to JVG resigning. Dolan fucked that up bc the Knicks were his toy at the time. Every move then was a disaster.

I also think Dolan pressured the team to win now. That is what leads to the likes of Glen Rice, Mark Jackson, Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, etc.

Strictly from a basketball perspective not including off court issues, I actually think Isiah was decent in bringing in talent. Can’t really argue the Marbury trade. The Curry trade was a disaster, but Jamal Crawford was a solid player. Drafting players like Frye, Lee, Ariza & Nate Robinson. Isiah could identify talent at least.

The problem, there was never any regard for the cap.
Rokas  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2022 10:11 pm : link
acknowledged he's likely playing in Europe for one more season.
Bamba  
DanMetroMan : 5/19/2022 10:48 pm : link
fucking around on social media hinting he and Mitchell will link up with the Knicks
RE: RE: Ok thats fine you can call it lazy all you want  
nygiants16 : 5/20/2022 1:05 am : link
In comment 15713983 BigBlueShock said:
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Dolan spends a shit ton on the Knicks and they suck, how many people are going to be willing to do that? not everyone is going to come in and say i am going to spend a ton of money and watch the team suck every year..

and i hate this has come down to ke defending Dolan, but its lazy that when a team is bad the first person people blame is the owner..

If the Knicks had 3 chmpionships in the last 20 years and he was the still the same guy is a he a good owner?

Blame him for hiring the wrong people and being a thin skinned prick but saying everything wrong with the Knicks, like players dont come here because of him is simply not true..

and people act like he has hired nobodies...He has spent on coaches, high priced hall of fame coaches, he has spent on executives and simply just hasnt worked..


So who’s fault is it? Who hired Phil Jackson? Jackson set this team back every bit as much as Gettleman did the Giants. How about all of the other horrific GMs he hired? Scott Layden? Isaiah Thomas? Steve Mills? Who’s fault is that, exactly? And those inept GMs hired mostly inept coaches during those times. There’s only one constant in all of these changes and dismal performances. Who is that?


I said it was Dolans
RE: My reason for bringing up Dolan..  
nygiants16 : 5/20/2022 1:24 am : link
In comment 15713991 Sean said:
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I never realized just how much he meddled with Checketts in 1999. He forced the Grunfeld firing which ultimately led to Layden. Layden was a horrific GM, I’d take Isiah Thomas over Layden seven days a week. Layden was that bad. The meddling in the Grunfeld firing ultimately led to Checketts resigning which led to JVG resigning. Dolan fucked that up bc the Knicks were his toy at the time. Every move then was a disaster.

I also think Dolan pressured the team to win now. That is what leads to the likes of Glen Rice, Mark Jackson, Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, etc.

Strictly from a basketball perspective not including off court issues, I actually think Isiah was decent in bringing in talent. Can’t really argue the Marbury trade. The Curry trade was a disaster, but Jamal Crawford was a solid player. Drafting players like Frye, Lee, Ariza & Nate Robinson. Isiah could identify talent at least.

The problem, there was never any regard for the cap.


Thats not what you said..you said no player wants to play for Dolan
nygiants16  
Sean : 5/20/2022 7:09 am : link
That perception is out there though,. While I don’t have specific quotes, I’ve heard the rumblings. Just like there were rumblings after the Oakley fiasco that it turned off players.
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nygiants16 : 5/20/2022 7:40 am : link
In comment 15714049 Sean said:
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That perception is out there though,. While I don’t have specific quotes, I’ve heard the rumblings. Just like there were rumblings after the Oakley fiasco that it turned off players.


Players only care if the owner spends, otherwise they dont care, not a single player chose a team because of the Owner..


Dolan is douche and has hired the wrong people but players not coming here is not on him or solely on him, its simply not true
Okay, nyg16  
Sean : 5/20/2022 8:08 am : link
However, you have to admit the Knicks have come up short in both the summer of 2010 and 2019 which had massive fan build up and expectations.

I do have a feeling this summer will be different though with a Donovan Mitchell trade.
RE: Okay, nyg16  
nygiants16 : 5/20/2022 8:13 am : link
In comment 15714064 Sean said:
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However, you have to admit the Knicks have come up short in both the summer of 2010 and 2019 which had massive fan build up and expectations.

I do have a feeling this summer will be different though with a Donovan Mitchell trade.


Never said there wasnt, but they still ended up getting Melo and Stat and should of had CP3 and had their own big 3..

2010 was a bust because they didnt realize they had to make more room..

2019 was a bust because the Knicks couodnt keep their mouth shut and even then they still had an oppurtunity to form a big 2 or even 3 and they got cold feet
Players don't come to the Knicks for multiple reasons  
Stu11 : 5/20/2022 8:33 am : link
1. We've been a joke of a franchise for the better part of 2 decades(that's on Dolan)
2. NYC has pull, but Miami and LA have similar gravitas and the weather is great year round
3. Us the fans. Sure if you could ever win a title you'd be the king of the town, but look at reason #1 and the players know that odds are they'll come up short and they see the way Melo and Randle were thrown under the bus in a hurry. Heck a number of people in here had turned on Randle by Thanksgiving.

MECCA shmeka. Sure the superstars love to play here, but they're perfectly content coming here as a visitor once or twice a year lighting us up like a Christmas tree and then going on their merry way.
Now had we had one iota of lottery luck the past 35 years it could have been different, but it didn't happen.
RE: Players don't come to the Knicks for multiple reasons  
Sean : 5/20/2022 8:44 am : link
In comment 15714083 Stu11 said:
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1. We've been a joke of a franchise for the better part of 2 decades(that's on Dolan)
2. NYC has pull, but Miami and LA have similar gravitas and the weather is great year round
3. Us the fans. Sure if you could ever win a title you'd be the king of the town, but look at reason #1 and the players know that odds are they'll come up short and they see the way Melo and Randle were thrown under the bus in a hurry. Heck a number of people in here had turned on Randle by Thanksgiving.

MECCA shmeka. Sure the superstars love to play here, but they're perfectly content coming here as a visitor once or twice a year lighting us up like a Christmas tree and then going on their merry way.
Now had we had one iota of lottery luck the past 35 years it could have been different, but it didn't happen.

So well said.
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Kmed6000 : 5/20/2022 11:41 am : link
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getting shit when Devin Booker is the one who finished 4th in the MVP voting and is their leading scorer and face of their franchise.

Not only that, but he's the one who decided to talk shit to Luka which clearly pissed Luka off "everybody talks tough when they're up". Bad bad move by Mr. Booker, dude saw he finished one spot ahead of Luka in the MVP vote and though that meant he was the same caliber of player. Luka just reminded him that there are levels to this.



100%. I hate paul the person, but as a player, he's a 37 yo PG that's had mictrofracture on his knee years ago. It's actually amazing that he's producing on this level at this point in his career. Booker should be the one feeling the wrath from that series, not Paul.



Yep agreed, btw are you the kmed who used to post here back in the day?


Whats up Osi, yes that was me.
According to the Post  
nygiants16 : 5/20/2022 5:06 pm : link
Knicks have interest in Malcolm Brogdon
RE: According to the Post  
Stu11 : 5/20/2022 6:59 pm : link
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Knicks have interest in Malcolm Brogdon

I love his game but man is he injury prone. I wouldn't mind exploring a package where we get him and Turner for Randle and other assets.
Brodgan is no spring chicken either.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/20/2022 7:03 pm : link
30? 31?
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/24/2022 11:14 am : link
According to Jake Fischer of Bleacher Report, the Atlanta Hawks, Detroit Pistons, Portland Trail Blazers, Charlotte Hornets and San Antonio Spurs have been mentioned as potential suitors for Ayton.
I know the Knicks need a point...  
Jan in DC : 5/24/2022 12:54 pm : link
but I'm against giving up assets for Brogdon. He's older, doesn't seem to fit the timeline of the rest of the team. He's also injury prone.

Rather just let Quick start, Brunson, or draft someone.
I'd only trade for Brogdon if Randle is in the deal.  
Strahan91 : 5/24/2022 12:56 pm : link
The Knicks can't possibly go into next year with Randle as the starting PF slated to play 35 min a game. It would be utterly ridiculous given what Toppin did with those minutes.
Brogdon is 29  
Stu11 : 5/24/2022 1:00 pm : link
he doesn't fit the Knicks timeline? When do you think we'll be able to compete? In 8 years? This team needs a lead guard like a man crawling through the desert needs a glass of water. I'm nervous about his injury history and I'd probably rather just sign Brunson, but there is no way I'd shy away from a star PG because he's 29 yo.
RE: Brogdon is 29  
Jan in DC : 5/24/2022 1:38 pm : link
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he doesn't fit the Knicks timeline? When do you think we'll be able to compete? In 8 years? This team needs a lead guard like a man crawling through the desert needs a glass of water. I'm nervous about his injury history and I'd probably rather just sign Brunson, but there is no way I'd shy away from a star PG because he's 29 yo.


He'll be 30 next season. He's never healthy. We're talking about unloading Randle and almost every other player of value on the team will be 6+ years younger than him.

I wouldn't be mad if they traded for him, but honestly would you rather give up assets and pay a 30 year old PG over 20 million a year or give Quickley a shot to run the point.
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Stu11 : 5/24/2022 1:46 pm : link
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he doesn't fit the Knicks timeline? When do you think we'll be able to compete? In 8 years? This team needs a lead guard like a man crawling through the desert needs a glass of water. I'm nervous about his injury history and I'd probably rather just sign Brunson, but there is no way I'd shy away from a star PG because he's 29 yo.



He'll be 30 next season. He's never healthy. We're talking about unloading Randle and almost every other player of value on the team will be 6+ years younger than him.

I wouldn't be mad if they traded for him, but honestly would you rather give up assets and pay a 30 year old PG over 20 million a year or give Quickley a shot to run the point.

its not going to take Randle plus all our other assets. Of course if that's the price you don't do it. it would probably Randle plus a pick/player. I do not share the opinion that Quick is gonna be a top playmaker in this league. He can be very good, but more as a combo guard/scorer. When healthy Brogdon is on another level. Again his injury history would probably cause me to shy away, but I wouldn't be mad if they traded for him as long as they didn't give up way too much.
I'm not against Brogdon...  
Jan in DC : 5/24/2022 1:59 pm : link
I think he's a nice player when he plays. I just don't want to give up anything of value to get him. Who knows when this team will turn it around, so that makes me very gunshy about trading any 1st round picks.

Especially considering Indiana is in tear it down mode and Brogdon is going to take shots away from Haliburton, so I suspect they'd love to get off his contract as well.
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