I have really been thinking about this the last couple days and am really interested in what DG had for a plan. We all know the cap was a mess but let’s just say that the following things below happened last season. How was DG going to handle it?
What if Judge performed well on the job which in turn saved DG his job?
What if Jones played very well and took a step forward?
What if Barkley bounced back strong?
With those things happening, what if the team was competitive?
Say Shepherd played really well & a pay cut would have been tough to ask.
Let’s just say those things happened plus maybe a few other positive things.
How in the hell did DG think he was going to be able to handle moving forward. It is easier to have a crappy season like last year and just start blowing it up but if the team did well how did he plan to extend Jones, Barkley, have 2 1st rd picks, not reduce salaries and be able to move forward?
Yeah he could have pushed Jones and Barkley another year but if the balled out again it would have made it even harder. Maybe I’m just missing something but with the salary cap in the situation it was in, had they had success, I am wondering how he planned on handling it.
Anyway, I’m glad it actually worked out this way. I really like the direction the Giants seem to be heading. Just seems like DG was way in over his head, had no plan or was just plain clueless.
But had the OL finally improved and found 3 or 4 starters, they would have had 2 firsts and likely would have been looking to create more cap room via extending and restructuring players on the roster. Like Bradberry.
17/23 starters on ourlads' depth chart (including nickel DB) are holdovers from last year though that includes Bradberry/Lemiuex. 2 others are the first round picks. The other 4 are Glowinski, Ellis, Feliciano, and whoever wins starting TE. The new regime has undeniably handled this offseason smarter than the last would have but they didn't blow things up as much as most first year regimes do.
DG had no plan at any time for 4 years so dealing with potential success wasn't really a concern they spent too much time modeling I presume.
But always remember...the cap is fluid.
That’s it. That was his ‘plan’.
Glad the useless fuck is gone.
‘21 injuries made it worse.
The HC realized he could commit ‘conduct unbecoming ‘ with the principle owner and likely not get fired, pushed the envelope because he could still get 15M if canned. The secondary owner couldn’t take the crap any more and blasted the principal owner into some sense to dump the GM and HC.
6 ‘ Hog Mollies drafted in 4 years, 11? FA H-M , only 2 real HM in the bunch: AT , and KZ who had to be moved because he was overpaid.
DG gave into the principal owner instead of any semblance of standing firm, while screwing up drafting at the same time.
Mismanagement out of the eyeballs.
In the dictionary along side the word Cluster&$#k is a picture of the NYFG former FO.
This. His plan was to go out like George Young and Ernie Accorsi. Young went out after 1997 when the Giants won the NFC East so he could go out with a core of a team that was a division winner. Ernie went out after 2006, saying "there is a championship in this room", and realizing he had gotten his QB in Eli to move forward.
Gettleman's plan was to establish Jones as his QB and Judge as his coach. The entire 2021 offseason, you saw more involvement from Abrams and Pettit in the meetings with the press. Gettleman was going to leave after 2021 regardless. He, and the Giants had hoped, that the Giants made enough moves in the 2021 offseason with the free agent signings to win the NFC East, and then deal with the cap issues later. But they figured that if they won it, they'd have established their new QB/coach combo in Jones/Judge and then Gettleman could hand the reigns over to Abrams.
That was the plan. But slowly but surely, it all went to hell, as we all saw. The reason that Judge after the season said he wanted Abrams as GM was because that was the only way he'd save his job. Gettleman was never going to be a factor. If we believe reports, it was Tisch who forced the decision to fire Judge because he knew no GM would come here and not be able to pick his coach. Looking at how well Schoen and Daboll have clicked, it's easy to see why.
But ultimately, the plan was to win the NFC East in 2021 and let Abrams/Judge lead the Giants into the future. At least, that's my opinion.
If Golladay, Rudolph, Shepherd, Toney and Barkley had at contributed at least at their own average level, we might have been able to move the ball.
And that's just the offense. DG & Co. weren't very good at evaluating talent or managing the cap, but injuries made an at-best 9-7 or 8-8 team horrendous.
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This. His plan was to go out like George Young and Ernie Accorsi. Young went out after 1997 when the Giants won the NFC East so he could go out with a core of a team that was a division winner. Ernie went out after 2006, saying "there is a championship in this room", and realizing he had gotten his QB in Eli to move forward.
Gettleman's plan was to establish Jones as his QB and Judge as his coach. The entire 2021 offseason, you saw more involvement from Abrams and Pettit in the meetings with the press. Gettleman was going to leave after 2021 regardless. He, and the Giants had hoped, that the Giants made enough moves in the 2021 offseason with the free agent signings to win the NFC East, and then deal with the cap issues later. But they figured that if they won it, they'd have established their new QB/coach combo in Jones/Judge and then Gettleman could hand the reigns over to Abrams.
That was the plan. But slowly but surely, it all went to hell, as we all saw. The reason that Judge after the season said he wanted Abrams as GM was because that was the only way he'd save his job. Gettleman was never going to be a factor. If we believe reports, it was Tisch who forced the decision to fire Judge because he knew no GM would come here and not be able to pick his coach. Looking at how well Schoen and Daboll have clicked, it's easy to see why.
But ultimately, the plan was to win the NFC East in 2021 and let Abrams/Judge lead the Giants into the future. At least, that's my opinion.
Agree with this. The only thing you missed is DG actually had two failed plans. The first was that drafting Barkley and Hernandez and making a bunch of crappy FA signings like Omameh would give us a chance to compete for a championship with Eli at the helm. The “Jones era” was his second plan and got him canned.
We are all so disappointed in his tenure that we forget that he did draft much better than Reese, which is setting the bar very low.
He would win back some respect, at least mine, if he gave an interview somewhere in which he said that he was disappointed in his performance; gave his own take on the mistakes he made; and apologized to the fans. Big men do that. Little men blame others or disappear.
We are all so disappointed in his tenure that we forget that he did draft much better than Reese, which is setting the bar very low.
He would win back some respect, at least mine, if he gave an interview somewhere in which he said that he was disappointed in his performance; gave his own take on the mistakes he made; and apologized to the fans. Big men do that. Little men blame others or disappear.
I don’t agree that he drafted better than Reese. Unless you are only considering the last few drafts of the Reese era.
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As I see it, DG blew it that first year. He acknowledged his #1 job was to fix the OL. He signed Solder and Omameh, the former for big bucks and drafted Hernandez in round 2. If they had been good, he was on his way. But they were bad-to-awful, and his stewardship never recovered. He never seemed to get on top of the job after that.
We are all so disappointed in his tenure that we forget that he did draft much better than Reese, which is setting the bar very low.
He would win back some respect, at least mine, if he gave an interview somewhere in which he said that he was disappointed in his performance; gave his own take on the mistakes he made; and apologized to the fans. Big men do that. Little men blame others or disappear.
I don’t agree that he drafted better than Reese. Unless you are only considering the last few drafts of the Reese era.
The only way you could argue that point is to willfully ignore the multiple pro bowlers and championship contributors Reese drafted. Which, people insist on doing.
Hahaha, me too. Time to look forward.
If these new hires don't get it together quickly,they'll probably do it a 3rd time.
Get him WRs who van create separation. That was the rally cry in 2020. The Wrs suck, it's not Jones' fault.
Well...
If Golladay, Rudolph, Shepherd, Toney and Barkley had at contributed at least at their own average level, we might have been able to move the ball.
And that's just the offense. DG & Co. weren't very good at evaluating talent or managing the cap, but injuries made an at-best 9-7 or 8-8 team horrendous.
Yep, all of this. It all fell apart so quickly, but this was the idea: make the line Good Enough to support Jones' year 3 leap with a bunch of skill position talent, and trust Patrick Graham to keep the defense strong.
There were *so* many problems with the design, but it wasn't impossible.
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In comment 15701729 Josh in MD said:
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As I see it, DG blew it that first year. He acknowledged his #1 job was to fix the OL. He signed Solder and Omameh, the former for big bucks and drafted Hernandez in round 2. If they had been good, he was on his way. But they were bad-to-awful, and his stewardship never recovered. He never seemed to get on top of the job after that.
We are all so disappointed in his tenure that we forget that he did draft much better than Reese, which is setting the bar very low.
He would win back some respect, at least mine, if he gave an interview somewhere in which he said that he was disappointed in his performance; gave his own take on the mistakes he made; and apologized to the fans. Big men do that. Little men blame others or disappear.
I don’t agree that he drafted better than Reese. Unless you are only considering the last few drafts of the Reese era.
The only way you could argue that point is to willfully ignore the multiple pro bowlers and championship contributors Reese drafted. Which, people insist on doing.
Reese had several solid drafts in his first few years as GM. They were not *great* drafts after 2007 but they did well on their high draft picks at least.
His last few years' drafts were worse than Gettleman's.
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In comment 15701736 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 15701729 Josh in MD said:
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As I see it, DG blew it that first year. He acknowledged his #1 job was to fix the OL. He signed Solder and Omameh, the former for big bucks and drafted Hernandez in round 2. If they had been good, he was on his way. But they were bad-to-awful, and his stewardship never recovered. He never seemed to get on top of the job after that.
We are all so disappointed in his tenure that we forget that he did draft much better than Reese, which is setting the bar very low.
He would win back some respect, at least mine, if he gave an interview somewhere in which he said that he was disappointed in his performance; gave his own take on the mistakes he made; and apologized to the fans. Big men do that. Little men blame others or disappear.
I don’t agree that he drafted better than Reese. Unless you are only considering the last few drafts of the Reese era.
The only way you could argue that point is to willfully ignore the multiple pro bowlers and championship contributors Reese drafted. Which, people insist on doing.
Reese had several solid drafts in his first few years as GM. They were not *great* drafts after 2007 but they did well on their high draft picks at least.
His last few years' drafts were worse than Gettleman's.
That's fair. I'm not taking issue with that.
The full body of work was better. Gettleman never got off the starting line with the draft, and his free agency and management overall sent the team backwards.
One of the largest problems is Reese's tenure was drafting guys who were good enough to be 10-year starters in the NFL and losing them to career-altering injuries before they could even complete their rookie contracts.
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dont care..
Hahaha, me too. Time to look forward.
Sign Golloday and draft a WR. They wanted SMith, got Toney. KG, KT, SS, DS, JR you could see other teams having trouble.
Barkley would be healthy, Booker (bonafide pro) would spell him.
The OL would have depth with the signings of Looney and the other vet OG. Nick Gates/Lemiuex/Hernandez would all improve. Peart would take over ORT as he has shown flashes.
Engram with Rudolph gave a good TE tandem.
Jones would ascend.
On offense anyway there was a plan but most of the OL got hurt. The depth retired. Peart went backwards as did Hernandez. The OL was in shambles.
KG never clicked with Jones. Toney and Shep got hurt. Slayton, Ross suck.
Engram sucks and Rudolph never went anywhere.
Barkley got hurt.
Jones (shellacked from turnovers) played safeball which didnt score points. Then he got hurt. Then it was Fromm time.
So you preferred they drafted Darnold instead of Barkley? And then what would have been the 1st round pick the following year that would’ve made such a big difference?