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Malik Willis, starter by week #10 ...

Manny in CA : 5/7/2022 5:42 pm

Tannehill, not the answer, but it will be too late. Their receiving corps, just not good enough. They're just one elite WR away (from complementing Robert Woods) and scaring people; must be frustrating for them.
What year  
jeff57 : 5/7/2022 5:44 pm : link
?
Sorry Manny  
Dave on the UWS : 5/7/2022 5:47 pm : link
it won’t be this year (or likely any year)
If he is the starter  
nygiants16 : 5/7/2022 5:48 pm : link
that means the team completely imploded, dont see it happening
RE: If he is the starter  
FStubbs : 5/7/2022 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15701497 nygiants16 said:
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that means the team completely imploded, dont see it happening


Or Tannehill got hurt.
 
christian : 5/7/2022 5:59 pm : link
I think the A.J. Brown trade, to then draft Burks right after was a bit of an indication the Titans are willing to move on from Tannehill.
Willis  
David B. : 5/7/2022 6:11 pm : link
couldn't even read college defenses. He's two years away from being even Davis Webb.
He will be eaten alive by NFL defenses  
bwitz : 5/7/2022 6:20 pm : link
and exposed very quickly.
I'd argue that the sooner he's thrown into the fire  
BlackLight : 5/7/2022 6:23 pm : link
and he realizes exactly what he's up against playing in the NFL, the better.

RE: I'd argue that the sooner he's thrown into the fire  
bwitz : 5/7/2022 6:27 pm : link
In comment 15701519 BlackLight said:
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and he realizes exactly what he's up against playing in the NFL, the better.


Didn’t much work for David Carr. And he was actually a good college QB who went to a real college with a real college football program.
Malik Willis…  
monstercoo : 5/7/2022 6:38 pm : link
Doesnt need to be a starter to be a weapon this year and he doesn’t need to be able to make NFL reads either. The Titans can bring him in and run some rpo at anytime. It’s a nightmare for opponents to have to gameplan for 2 QBs.

I think many of you are sleeping on the Titans. They’re a run first team, Woods, their rookie rb, and Willis make their run threat even better. I think they’re a contender for the AFC championship.
Starter by week 10 out of the NFL by year 3!  
Jack Stroud : 5/7/2022 6:53 pm : link
Guy is a loser.
I respected what Tannehill said this week...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/7/2022 6:58 pm : link
That it isn't his job to mentor Willis. Probably not the best "PR" answer, but @ least it was honest.
they will win or lose based off of  
Giantsfan79 : 5/7/2022 7:18 pm : link
Derrick Henry and their defense not their QB and the passing game. Refreshingly old school.
Willis  
Archer : 5/7/2022 7:38 pm : link
Willis should be brought along like the Saints did with Taysom Hill

Put in specific packages where his has limited reads and is a situational QB .

He could thrive in that environment and learn how to play QB
RE: RE: I'd argue that the sooner he's thrown into the fire  
eli4life : 5/7/2022 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15701523 bwitz said:
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and he realizes exactly what he's up against playing in the NFL, the better.




Didn’t much work for David Carr. And he was actually a good college QB who went to a real college with a real college football program.


Wtf? That’s like comparing apples to a bicycle. Carr was a good qb that got the shit pounded out of him by a horrible line.
RE: Starter by week 10 out of the NFL by year 3!  
Mike from Ohio : 5/7/2022 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15701537 Jack Stroud said:
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Guy is a loser.


You seem like a really miserable prick.

I get thinking Willis has no future as a starter in the NFL. But why is he a loser? By all accounts he is a good kid and a hard worker. Is everyone not an NFL level QB a loser?
RE: Malik Willis…  
bw in dc : 5/7/2022 9:29 pm : link
In comment 15701529 monstercoo said:
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Doesnt need to be a starter to be a weapon this year and he doesn’t need to be able to make NFL reads either. The Titans can bring him in and run some rpo at anytime. It’s a nightmare for opponents to have to gameplan for 2 QBs.


Totally agree. Vrabel and Downing will develop specialty packages for Willis like the Ravens did early on with Jackson. Willis has a lot of physical skills they can exploit to keep the defense guessing.
RE: RE: RE: I'd argue that the sooner he's thrown into the fire  
BlackLight : 5/7/2022 9:53 pm : link
In comment 15701610 eli4life said:
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and he realizes exactly what he's up against playing in the NFL, the better.




Didn’t much work for David Carr. And he was actually a good college QB who went to a real college with a real college football program.



Wtf? That’s like comparing apples to a bicycle. Carr was a good qb that got the shit pounded out of him by a horrible line.


Agree - IIRC, Carr took an NFL record number of sacks as a rookie. Got mindfucked by the experience.

Willis is athletic enough that it wouldn't surprise me if he has some success in the early going - teams sending the house at him and he's able to scramble out of trouble and make some solid yardage and completions. But when smart teams figure out how to force him to win from the pocket, it's going to get ugly.
disagree  
uther99 : 5/7/2022 10:19 pm : link
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The Titans understand Tannehill's  
Manny in CA : 5/7/2022 11:17 pm : link

Limitations, that's why they took Willis. The NFL is dog-eat-dog, I don't think it will happen right way, but if they think that Willis can take them all the way - (the window of max opportunity closes fast for everybody), why not ?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2955948-tennessee-titans-rookie-malik-willis-is-a-threat-to-take-ryan-tannehills-job

Or maybe Carr was just a bad QB  
Producer : 5/7/2022 11:20 pm : link
have you considered that possibility?
Tannehill understans Willi is a stud ...  
Manny in CA : 5/7/2022 11:35 pm : link

That why he does bother with the customary "looking forward to working with him. our goal is the Super Bowl". He goes for the "I'm no here to tutor him", card right away.
RE: Willis  
Jack Stroud : 5/7/2022 11:47 pm : link
In comment 15701583 Archer said:
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Willis should be brought along like the Saints did with Taysom Hill

Put in specific packages where his has limited reads and is a situational QB .

He could thrive in that environment and learn how to play QB
Willis will never be a qb when your first instinct is to run!
I still  
Bill E : 5/8/2022 12:01 am : link
can't believe we didn't draft him in the second round.
How could our GM have gotten it so wrong?
RE: I still  
Mike in NY : 5/8/2022 3:54 am : link
In comment 15701763 Bill E said:
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can't believe we didn't draft him in the second round.
How could our GM have gotten it so wrong?


A move like that you do not make unless your Head Coach/OC/QB Coach are all pounding the table for. Most, if not all, talent evaluators say he needs a minimum of one year on the bench learning what he should have learned in college but didn’t. To have a redshirt year and then go into the 2023 Draft needing a QB and not knowing for sure what you have in a Second Round pick is not something GM’s and scouting staffs just foist upon a coaching staff.
It is nice to make definitive  
section125 : 5/8/2022 7:18 am : link
statements like the ones above.

But having watched the NFL for a long time , never underestimate what an underrated player can do and never guarantee what a can't miss player will do.

Willis has all the physical tools to play QB. He seems to be a bright kid and hard working. At this point in time he is not close to being able to read NFL defenses. The Giants have one of those right now and it is not working out so well. Like it or not, Jones was far ahead of Willis when he was drafted and he still has trouble quickly making reads. And nobody will argue the Jones is not bright or hard working. Learning to read defenses is probably the hardest part of being an NFL QB. Even very smart QBs can have trouble picking this up.

Vrabel may just say "fuck it" and throw him in, hoping for Lamar Jackson results, but I think Jackson was better reading coming out of college.

This will be fascinating to see.

It would be great for the kid  
Tom from LI : 5/8/2022 7:35 am : link
but extremely unlikely.

He is 2 to 3 years from making that jump if he makes it at all.
Unlikely  
Lines of Scrimmage : 5/8/2022 7:54 am : link
but I thought this was a good spot for him if he would have a chance.
If he were able to find a place as some kind of dual threat gadget for a few years in the league it would be a big win. The speed of the league as a runner is going to be huge step up though.
RE: Starter by week 10 out of the NFL by year 3!  
upnyg : 5/8/2022 8:06 am : link
In comment 15701537 Jack Stroud said:
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Guy is a loser.


Kind of Harsh. He had a successful college career and was drafted in the NFL draft. From a talent perspective he's not a loser. I dont know him personally so I can't judge him...hoping he has success.
RE: RE: Starter by week 10 out of the NFL by year 3!  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 5/8/2022 10:07 am : link
In comment 15701612 Mike from Ohio said:
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Guy is a loser.



You seem like a really miserable prick.

I get thinking Willis has no future as a starter in the NFL. But why is he a loser? By all accounts he is a good kid and a hard worker. Is everyone not an NFL level QB a loser?


+1
RE: Or maybe Carr was just a bad QB  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 5/8/2022 10:09 am : link
In comment 15701752 Producer said:
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have you considered that possibility?


Always focusing on the positive!
It's wild to me...  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 5/8/2022 11:41 am : link
Since getting on BBi 25 years ago I've witnessed countless changes: players, coaches, GMs, stadiums, I've graduated, built a successful career, married, had kids, and lost loved ones, but the one constant - the one thing that's still the same after 25 years - awful takes by Manny.

I say this in jest but I totally mean it; and that's ok bc everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how detached from reality you think it is.

What was the draft prediction, Jordan Davis and Karlaftis? Lol you're the greatest Manny!
If they want to tank for the #1 draft pick I suppose  
GFAN52 : 5/8/2022 1:26 pm : link
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The criticisms of this guy  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/8/2022 3:32 pm : link
seem a little over the top for people that can't make enough excuses for Mr.Jones.
RE: The criticisms of this guy  
Go Terps : 5/8/2022 3:34 pm : link
In comment 15702200 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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seem a little over the top for people that can't make enough excuses for Mr.Jones.


I think it's likely Willis has more starts in his future than Jones does.
RE: RE: The criticisms of this guy  
section125 : 5/8/2022 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15702201 Go Terps said:
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seem a little over the top for people that can't make enough excuses for Mr.Jones.



I think it's likely Willis has more starts in his future than Jones does.


More starts from day 1 this year, or total in career? I tend to agree from this point forward. The league and QBs are changing. Once Jones is let go, I doubt he does any more than back up.
AND Terps with his reliable  
Dave on the UWS : 5/8/2022 4:16 pm : link
"turn the thread into a chance to bash Jones".
On this topic, I would be shocked if Willis EVER pans out, but stranger things have happened.
RE: AND Terps with his reliable  
Go Terps : 5/8/2022 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15702232 Dave on the UWS said:
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"turn the thread into a chance to bash Jones".
On this topic, I would be shocked if Willis EVER pans out, but stranger things have happened.


I didn't even bring Jones up.
Technically, that's true  
Dave on the UWS : 5/8/2022 4:24 pm : link
but referenced LakeGeorge's post where he did pretty fast!
Can we agree that neither is an answer? I think that's fair.
RE: Technically, that's true  
Go Terps : 5/8/2022 4:28 pm : link
In comment 15702238 Dave on the UWS said:
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but referenced LakeGeorge's post where he did pretty fast!
Can we agree that neither is an answer? I think that's fair.


I think we have a lot more proof of what Jones is than Willis.
RE: AND Terps with his reliable  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 5/8/2022 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15702232 Dave on the UWS said:
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"turn the thread into a chance to bash Jones".
On this topic, I would be shocked if Willis EVER pans out, but stranger things have happened.


I brought up Jones.

It's a fair point. Criticism of Jones around here is met with neverending excuses. His failures are everybody's fault but his.

I find it odd that while Willis is physically far superior, many in this thread have written him off already but not Jones.

We have ample evidence that Jones isn't an NFL QB.
RE: RE: AND Terps with his reliable  
Mike in NY : 5/8/2022 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15702269 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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"turn the thread into a chance to bash Jones".
On this topic, I would be shocked if Willis EVER pans out, but stranger things have happened.



I brought up Jones.

It's a fair point. Criticism of Jones around here is met with neverending excuses. His failures are everybody's fault but his.

I find it odd that while Willis is physically far superior, many in this thread have written him off already but not Jones.

We have ample evidence that Jones isn't an NFL QB.


And outside of physical traits, Willis looks less capable of reading defenses and making timely/accurate throws than Jones did coming out of Duke.
RE: RE: AND Terps with his reliable  
section125 : 5/8/2022 5:18 pm : link
In comment 15702269 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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In comment 15702232 Dave on the UWS said:


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"turn the thread into a chance to bash Jones".
On this topic, I would be shocked if Willis EVER pans out, but stranger things have happened.



I brought up Jones.

It's a fair point. Criticism of Jones around here is met with neverending excuses. His failures are everybody's fault but his.

I find it odd that while Willis is physically far superior, many in this thread have written him off already but not Jones.

We have ample evidence that Jones isn't an NFL QB.


LGG, Willis may be far superior physically, but where is his head? Jones is not stupid, yet he has trouble reading defenses, supposedly. Willis is absolutely worse coming out of college and less accurate. For whatever reason Jones has trouble learning how to make the reads - it isn't his physical ability(aside from getting hurt). Will Willis be able to read defenses. Just because he is smart does not mean he can.
At Duke...  
bw in dc : 5/8/2022 5:29 pm : link
Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.

Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.

So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?

RE: At Duke...  
Mike in NY : 5/8/2022 6:14 pm : link
In comment 15702303 bw in dc said:
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Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.

Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.

So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?


Willis had one read or run whereas Jones ran a more pro style offense. I would hope his completion percentage was higher. Willis had guys open in college but he would never look there way if they weren’t first read. At Senior Bowl practices it was more of the same - excellent deep ball but short/medium passes were anybody’s guess. To use another sports example, he is the 100 MPH pitcher who can’t locate the strike zone.
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Go Terps : 5/8/2022 6:47 pm : link
So Duke ran an offense intentionally designed to keep the quarterback's completion percentage down?
RE: At Duke...  
section125 : 5/8/2022 6:58 pm : link
In comment 15702303 bw in dc said:
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Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.

Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.

So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?


How many dropped passes? And have you seen Willis' throws? Who knows where they are headed. Guy has a great arm, but they are all over the place.
He has talent, but the description of the wild power pitcher is accurate. He will need foot work drills to correct his mechanics.
RE: RE: At Duke...  
bw in dc : 5/8/2022 7:21 pm : link
In comment 15702352 section125 said:
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In comment 15702303 bw in dc said:


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Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.

Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.

So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?




How many dropped passes? And have you seen Willis' throws? Who knows where they are headed. Guy has a great arm, but they are all over the place.
He has talent, but the description of the wild power pitcher is accurate. He will need foot work drills to correct his mechanics.


I don't know the number of dropped passes either player had.

And I agree with your positions on what Willis needs to improve.

But the stats are the stats, and with a renown offensive minded HC like Cutcliff, Jones didn't crack 60% completion% despite that tutelage. Meanwhile, Willis, and all of his issues you cited, had a noticeably better completion% with a much, much better YPA.

So, I find it hard to reconcile your position that Jones was this more accurate passer.
RE: RE: RE: At Duke...  
section125 : 5/8/2022 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15702359 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15702303 bw in dc said:


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Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.

Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.

So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?




How many dropped passes? And have you seen Willis' throws? Who knows where they are headed. Guy has a great arm, but they are all over the place.
He has talent, but the description of the wild power pitcher is accurate. He will need foot work drills to correct his mechanics.



I don't know the number of dropped passes either player had.

And I agree with your positions on what Willis needs to improve.

But the stats are the stats, and with a renown offensive minded HC like Cutcliff, Jones didn't crack 60% completion% despite that tutelage. Meanwhile, Willis, and all of his issues you cited, had a noticeably better completion% with a much, much better YPA.

So, I find it hard to reconcile your position that Jones was this more accurate passer.


Yep stats are stats. Jones did throw about twice as many passes and had one bad year, in of course, a much better conference.
But yep Willis was right in line where you would want.

RE: RE: At Duke...  
bw in dc : 5/8/2022 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15702331 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 15702303 bw in dc said:


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Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.

Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.

So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?




Willis had one read or run whereas Jones ran a more pro style offense. I would hope his completion percentage was higher. Willis had guys open in college but he would never look there way if they weren’t first read. At Senior Bowl practices it was more of the same - excellent deep ball but short/medium passes were anybody’s guess. To use another sports example, he is the 100 MPH pitcher who can’t locate the strike zone.


I can name a lot of QBs in college who played in a pro system and had a helluva lot better completion% than Jones. And I don't have to pick QBs from the big brands like Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU, Oklahoma, etc. So, that seems like a strange excuse...?

I really don't know if Willis couldn't go through progressions. I certainly hear that. Of course, I heard the same thing about Justin Fields. But then a few analysts worked studied film and spoke with Coach Day. And the truth was Fields was actually going through reads and doing it pretty well.

I agree, btw, Willis has work to do. But I watched A LOT of Josh Allen's work at Wyoming and he struggled with accuracy, too. It was a combination of trying to make too many perfect plays and trying to force balls into windows because he trusted his arm too much.

My point being that Willis has the raw skills (like Allen did), but also a lot of fat to his game. If he can get with the right coaches and development, like Allen did in Buffalo, there is a chance a big filet mignon is in there.
RE: RE: RE: At Duke...  
section125 : 5/8/2022 7:41 pm : link
In comment 15702363 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15702303 bw in dc said:


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Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.

Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.

So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?




Willis had one read or run whereas Jones ran a more pro style offense. I would hope his completion percentage was higher. Willis had guys open in college but he would never look there way if they weren’t first read. At Senior Bowl practices it was more of the same - excellent deep ball but short/medium passes were anybody’s guess. To use another sports example, he is the 100 MPH pitcher who can’t locate the strike zone.



I can name a lot of QBs in college who played in a pro system and had a helluva lot better completion% than Jones. And I don't have to pick QBs from the big brands like Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU, Oklahoma, etc. So, that seems like a strange excuse...?

I really don't know if Willis couldn't go through progressions. I certainly hear that. Of course, I heard the same thing about Justin Fields. But then a few analysts worked studied film and spoke with Coach Day. And the truth was Fields was actually going through reads and doing it pretty well.

I agree, btw, Willis has work to do. But I watched A LOT of Josh Allen's work at Wyoming and he struggled with accuracy, too. It was a combination of trying to make too many perfect plays and trying to force balls into windows because he trusted his arm too much.

My point being that Willis has the raw skills (like Allen did), but also a lot of fat to his game. If he can get with the right coaches and development, like Allen did in Buffalo, there is a chance a big filet mignon is in there.


What round was Allen drafted in and what round was Willis drafted? This was a year where teams wanted and needed QBs. Tells you what the front offices thought. Allen had flaws, but obviously not many.
I hope Willis does well. I think he has a chance because of his physical ability and being smart. But will he be able to learn how to read defenses - has not stopped Lamar. I think Willis eventually will be better.
RE: Malik Willis…  
nyfootballfan : 5/8/2022 10:02 pm : link
In comment 15701529 monstercoo said:
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Doesnt need to be a starter to be a weapon this year and he doesn’t need to be able to make NFL reads either. The Titans can bring him in and run some rpo at anytime. It’s a nightmare for opponents to have to gameplan for 2 QBs.


uh but wont they know exactly whats coming when he trots in?
RE: Malik Willis…  
giantstock : 5/9/2022 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15701529 monstercoo said:
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Doesnt need to be a starter to be a weapon this year and he doesn’t need to be able to make NFL reads either. The Titans can bring him in and run some rpo at anytime. It’s a nightmare for opponents to have to gameplan for 2 QBs.

I think many of you are sleeping on the Titans. They’re a run first team, Woods, their rookie rb, and Willis make their run threat even better. I think they’re a contender for the AFC championship.


They have been a contender the last few. So what's your point?
Unless they are out of the playoffs, there is ZERO  
Section331 : 5/9/2022 2:08 pm : link
chance Willis is the starter at any point this season. Tannehill isn't great, but they know what they're getting with him.
sigh....  
djm : 5/9/2022 2:52 pm : link
yeah, when the Titans are 7-3 and on their way to another playoff year the entire world will demand that some fucking child from bergen community college be thrust into the starting lineup all because Ryan Tannehill isn't the answer.

The same Ryan Tannenhill who helped solidify the Titans offense when they acquired him 2 years ago?

Don't hold your breath.
RE: they will win or lose based off of  
Thegratefulhead : 5/9/2022 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15701557 Giantsfan79 said:
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Derrick Henry and their defense not their QB and the passing game. Refreshingly old school.
An RPO with WIllis and Henry is devastating. Stick in in Henry gut, you have crash to middle, Willis can pull it and can go outside as quick as you can blink.
RE: they will win or lose based off of  
Thegratefulhead : 5/9/2022 3:03 pm : link
In comment 15701557 Giantsfan79 said:
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Derrick Henry and their defense not their QB and the passing game. Refreshingly old school.
A RPO with Willis and Henry is devastating. Stick in in Henry's gut, you have crash to middle, Willis can pull it and can go outside as quick as you can blink.
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