Tannehill, not the answer, but it will be too late. Their receiving corps, just not good enough. They're just one elite WR away (from complementing Robert Woods) and scaring people; must be frustrating for them.
Doesnt need to be a starter to be a weapon this year and he doesn’t need to be able to make NFL reads either. The Titans can bring him in and run some rpo at anytime. It’s a nightmare for opponents to have to gameplan for 2 QBs.
I think many of you are sleeping on the Titans. They’re a run first team, Woods, their rookie rb, and Willis make their run threat even better. I think they’re a contender for the AFC championship.
I get thinking Willis has no future as a starter in the NFL. But why is he a loser? By all accounts he is a good kid and a hard worker. Is everyone not an NFL level QB a loser?
Doesnt need to be a starter to be a weapon this year and he doesn’t need to be able to make NFL reads either. The Titans can bring him in and run some rpo at anytime. It’s a nightmare for opponents to have to gameplan for 2 QBs.
Totally agree. Vrabel and Downing will develop specialty packages for Willis like the Ravens did early on with Jackson. Willis has a lot of physical skills they can exploit to keep the defense guessing.
RE: RE: RE: I'd argue that the sooner he's thrown into the fire
and he realizes exactly what he's up against playing in the NFL, the better.
Didn’t much work for David Carr. And he was actually a good college QB who went to a real college with a real college football program.
Wtf? That’s like comparing apples to a bicycle. Carr was a good qb that got the shit pounded out of him by a horrible line.
Agree - IIRC, Carr took an NFL record number of sacks as a rookie. Got mindfucked by the experience.
Willis is athletic enough that it wouldn't surprise me if he has some success in the early going - teams sending the house at him and he's able to scramble out of trouble and make some solid yardage and completions. But when smart teams figure out how to force him to win from the pocket, it's going to get ugly.
Limitations, that's why they took Willis. The NFL is dog-eat-dog, I don't think it will happen right way, but if they think that Willis can take them all the way - (the window of max opportunity closes fast for everybody), why not ?
That why he does bother with the customary "looking forward to working with him. our goal is the Super Bowl". He goes for the "I'm no here to tutor him", card right away.
can't believe we didn't draft him in the second round.
How could our GM have gotten it so wrong?
A move like that you do not make unless your Head Coach/OC/QB Coach are all pounding the table for. Most, if not all, talent evaluators say he needs a minimum of one year on the bench learning what he should have learned in college but didn’t. To have a redshirt year and then go into the 2023 Draft needing a QB and not knowing for sure what you have in a Second Round pick is not something GM’s and scouting staffs just foist upon a coaching staff.
But having watched the NFL for a long time , never underestimate what an underrated player can do and never guarantee what a can't miss player will do.
Willis has all the physical tools to play QB. He seems to be a bright kid and hard working. At this point in time he is not close to being able to read NFL defenses. The Giants have one of those right now and it is not working out so well. Like it or not, Jones was far ahead of Willis when he was drafted and he still has trouble quickly making reads. And nobody will argue the Jones is not bright or hard working. Learning to read defenses is probably the hardest part of being an NFL QB. Even very smart QBs can have trouble picking this up.
Vrabel may just say "fuck it" and throw him in, hoping for Lamar Jackson results, but I think Jackson was better reading coming out of college.
but I thought this was a good spot for him if he would have a chance.
If he were able to find a place as some kind of dual threat gadget for a few years in the league it would be a big win. The speed of the league as a runner is going to be huge step up though.
Kind of Harsh. He had a successful college career and was drafted in the NFL draft. From a talent perspective he's not a loser. I dont know him personally so I can't judge him...hoping he has success.
RE: RE: Starter by week 10 out of the NFL by year 3!
I get thinking Willis has no future as a starter in the NFL. But why is he a loser? By all accounts he is a good kid and a hard worker. Is everyone not an NFL level QB a loser?
Since getting on BBi 25 years ago I've witnessed countless changes: players, coaches, GMs, stadiums, I've graduated, built a successful career, married, had kids, and lost loved ones, but the one constant - the one thing that's still the same after 25 years - awful takes by Manny.
I say this in jest but I totally mean it; and that's ok bc everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how detached from reality you think it is.
What was the draft prediction, Jordan Davis and Karlaftis? Lol you're the greatest Manny!
If they want to tank for the #1 draft pick I suppose
seem a little over the top for people that can't make enough excuses for Mr.Jones.
I think it's likely Willis has more starts in his future than Jones does.
More starts from day 1 this year, or total in career? I tend to agree from this point forward. The league and QBs are changing. Once Jones is let go, I doubt he does any more than back up.
"turn the thread into a chance to bash Jones".
On this topic, I would be shocked if Willis EVER pans out, but stranger things have happened.
I brought up Jones.
It's a fair point. Criticism of Jones around here is met with neverending excuses. His failures are everybody's fault but his.
I find it odd that while Willis is physically far superior, many in this thread have written him off already but not Jones.
We have ample evidence that Jones isn't an NFL QB.
LGG, Willis may be far superior physically, but where is his head? Jones is not stupid, yet he has trouble reading defenses, supposedly. Willis is absolutely worse coming out of college and less accurate. For whatever reason Jones has trouble learning how to make the reads - it isn't his physical ability(aside from getting hurt). Will Willis be able to read defenses. Just because he is smart does not mean he can.
Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.
Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.
So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?
Willis had one read or run whereas Jones ran a more pro style offense. I would hope his completion percentage was higher. Willis had guys open in college but he would never look there way if they weren’t first read. At Senior Bowl practices it was more of the same - excellent deep ball but short/medium passes were anybody’s guess. To use another sports example, he is the 100 MPH pitcher who can’t locate the strike zone.
Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.
Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.
So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?
How many dropped passes? And have you seen Willis' throws? Who knows where they are headed. Guy has a great arm, but they are all over the place.
He has talent, but the description of the wild power pitcher is accurate. He will need foot work drills to correct his mechanics.
Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.
Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.
So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?
How many dropped passes? And have you seen Willis' throws? Who knows where they are headed. Guy has a great arm, but they are all over the place.
He has talent, but the description of the wild power pitcher is accurate. He will need foot work drills to correct his mechanics.
I don't know the number of dropped passes either player had.
And I agree with your positions on what Willis needs to improve.
But the stats are the stats, and with a renown offensive minded HC like Cutcliff, Jones didn't crack 60% completion% despite that tutelage. Meanwhile, Willis, and all of his issues you cited, had a noticeably better completion% with a much, much better YPA.
So, I find it hard to reconcile your position that Jones was this more accurate passer.
Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.
Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.
So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?
How many dropped passes? And have you seen Willis' throws? Who knows where they are headed. Guy has a great arm, but they are all over the place.
He has talent, but the description of the wild power pitcher is accurate. He will need foot work drills to correct his mechanics.
I don't know the number of dropped passes either player had.
And I agree with your positions on what Willis needs to improve.
But the stats are the stats, and with a renown offensive minded HC like Cutcliff, Jones didn't crack 60% completion% despite that tutelage. Meanwhile, Willis, and all of his issues you cited, had a noticeably better completion% with a much, much better YPA.
So, I find it hard to reconcile your position that Jones was this more accurate passer.
Yep stats are stats. Jones did throw about twice as many passes and had one bad year, in of course, a much better conference.
But yep Willis was right in line where you would want.
Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.
Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.
So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?
Willis had one read or run whereas Jones ran a more pro style offense. I would hope his completion percentage was higher. Willis had guys open in college but he would never look there way if they weren’t first read. At Senior Bowl practices it was more of the same - excellent deep ball but short/medium passes were anybody’s guess. To use another sports example, he is the 100 MPH pitcher who can’t locate the strike zone.
I can name a lot of QBs in college who played in a pro system and had a helluva lot better completion% than Jones. And I don't have to pick QBs from the big brands like Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU, Oklahoma, etc. So, that seems like a strange excuse...?
I really don't know if Willis couldn't go through progressions. I certainly hear that. Of course, I heard the same thing about Justin Fields. But then a few analysts worked studied film and spoke with Coach Day. And the truth was Fields was actually going through reads and doing it pretty well.
I agree, btw, Willis has work to do. But I watched A LOT of Josh Allen's work at Wyoming and he struggled with accuracy, too. It was a combination of trying to make too many perfect plays and trying to force balls into windows because he trusted his arm too much.
My point being that Willis has the raw skills (like Allen did), but also a lot of fat to his game. If he can get with the right coaches and development, like Allen did in Buffalo, there is a chance a big filet mignon is in there.
Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.
Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.
So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?
Willis had one read or run whereas Jones ran a more pro style offense. I would hope his completion percentage was higher. Willis had guys open in college but he would never look there way if they weren’t first read. At Senior Bowl practices it was more of the same - excellent deep ball but short/medium passes were anybody’s guess. To use another sports example, he is the 100 MPH pitcher who can’t locate the strike zone.
I can name a lot of QBs in college who played in a pro system and had a helluva lot better completion% than Jones. And I don't have to pick QBs from the big brands like Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU, Oklahoma, etc. So, that seems like a strange excuse...?
I really don't know if Willis couldn't go through progressions. I certainly hear that. Of course, I heard the same thing about Justin Fields. But then a few analysts worked studied film and spoke with Coach Day. And the truth was Fields was actually going through reads and doing it pretty well.
I agree, btw, Willis has work to do. But I watched A LOT of Josh Allen's work at Wyoming and he struggled with accuracy, too. It was a combination of trying to make too many perfect plays and trying to force balls into windows because he trusted his arm too much.
My point being that Willis has the raw skills (like Allen did), but also a lot of fat to his game. If he can get with the right coaches and development, like Allen did in Buffalo, there is a chance a big filet mignon is in there.
What round was Allen drafted in and what round was Willis drafted? This was a year where teams wanted and needed QBs. Tells you what the front offices thought. Allen had flaws, but obviously not many.
I hope Willis does well. I think he has a chance because of his physical ability and being smart. But will he be able to learn how to read defenses - has not stopped Lamar. I think Willis eventually will be better.
Doesnt need to be a starter to be a weapon this year and he doesn’t need to be able to make NFL reads either. The Titans can bring him in and run some rpo at anytime. It’s a nightmare for opponents to have to gameplan for 2 QBs.
uh but wont they know exactly whats coming when he trots in?
Doesnt need to be a starter to be a weapon this year and he doesn’t need to be able to make NFL reads either. The Titans can bring him in and run some rpo at anytime. It’s a nightmare for opponents to have to gameplan for 2 QBs.
I think many of you are sleeping on the Titans. They’re a run first team, Woods, their rookie rb, and Willis make their run threat even better. I think they’re a contender for the AFC championship.
They have been a contender the last few. So what's your point?
Unless they are out of the playoffs, there is ZERO
yeah, when the Titans are 7-3 and on their way to another playoff year the entire world will demand that some fucking child from bergen community college be thrust into the starting lineup all because Ryan Tannehill isn't the answer.
The same Ryan Tannenhill who helped solidify the Titans offense when they acquired him 2 years ago?
Derrick Henry and their defense not their QB and the passing game. Refreshingly old school.
An RPO with WIllis and Henry is devastating. Stick in in Henry gut, you have crash to middle, Willis can pull it and can go outside as quick as you can blink.
Derrick Henry and their defense not their QB and the passing game. Refreshingly old school.
A RPO with Willis and Henry is devastating. Stick in in Henry's gut, you have crash to middle, Willis can pull it and can go outside as quick as you can blink.
Or Tannehill got hurt.
Didn’t much work for David Carr. And he was actually a good college QB who went to a real college with a real college football program.
I think many of you are sleeping on the Titans. They’re a run first team, Woods, their rookie rb, and Willis make their run threat even better. I think they’re a contender for the AFC championship.
Put in specific packages where his has limited reads and is a situational QB .
He could thrive in that environment and learn how to play QB
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and he realizes exactly what he's up against playing in the NFL, the better.
Didn’t much work for David Carr. And he was actually a good college QB who went to a real college with a real college football program.
Wtf? That’s like comparing apples to a bicycle. Carr was a good qb that got the shit pounded out of him by a horrible line.
You seem like a really miserable prick.
I get thinking Willis has no future as a starter in the NFL. But why is he a loser? By all accounts he is a good kid and a hard worker. Is everyone not an NFL level QB a loser?
Totally agree. Vrabel and Downing will develop specialty packages for Willis like the Ravens did early on with Jackson. Willis has a lot of physical skills they can exploit to keep the defense guessing.
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and he realizes exactly what he's up against playing in the NFL, the better.
Didn’t much work for David Carr. And he was actually a good college QB who went to a real college with a real college football program.
Wtf? That’s like comparing apples to a bicycle. Carr was a good qb that got the shit pounded out of him by a horrible line.
Agree - IIRC, Carr took an NFL record number of sacks as a rookie. Got mindfucked by the experience.
Willis is athletic enough that it wouldn't surprise me if he has some success in the early going - teams sending the house at him and he's able to scramble out of trouble and make some solid yardage and completions. But when smart teams figure out how to force him to win from the pocket, it's going to get ugly.
Limitations, that's why they took Willis. The NFL is dog-eat-dog, I don't think it will happen right way, but if they think that Willis can take them all the way - (the window of max opportunity closes fast for everybody), why not ?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2955948-tennessee-titans-rookie-malik-willis-is-a-threat-to-take-ryan-tannehills-job
That why he does bother with the customary "looking forward to working with him. our goal is the Super Bowl". He goes for the "I'm no here to tutor him", card right away.
Put in specific packages where his has limited reads and is a situational QB .
He could thrive in that environment and learn how to play QB
How could our GM have gotten it so wrong?
How could our GM have gotten it so wrong?
A move like that you do not make unless your Head Coach/OC/QB Coach are all pounding the table for. Most, if not all, talent evaluators say he needs a minimum of one year on the bench learning what he should have learned in college but didn’t. To have a redshirt year and then go into the 2023 Draft needing a QB and not knowing for sure what you have in a Second Round pick is not something GM’s and scouting staffs just foist upon a coaching staff.
But having watched the NFL for a long time , never underestimate what an underrated player can do and never guarantee what a can't miss player will do.
Willis has all the physical tools to play QB. He seems to be a bright kid and hard working. At this point in time he is not close to being able to read NFL defenses. The Giants have one of those right now and it is not working out so well. Like it or not, Jones was far ahead of Willis when he was drafted and he still has trouble quickly making reads. And nobody will argue the Jones is not bright or hard working. Learning to read defenses is probably the hardest part of being an NFL QB. Even very smart QBs can have trouble picking this up.
Vrabel may just say "fuck it" and throw him in, hoping for Lamar Jackson results, but I think Jackson was better reading coming out of college.
This will be fascinating to see.
He is 2 to 3 years from making that jump if he makes it at all.
If he were able to find a place as some kind of dual threat gadget for a few years in the league it would be a big win. The speed of the league as a runner is going to be huge step up though.
Kind of Harsh. He had a successful college career and was drafted in the NFL draft. From a talent perspective he's not a loser. I dont know him personally so I can't judge him...hoping he has success.
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Guy is a loser.
You seem like a really miserable prick.
I get thinking Willis has no future as a starter in the NFL. But why is he a loser? By all accounts he is a good kid and a hard worker. Is everyone not an NFL level QB a loser?
+1
Always focusing on the positive!
I say this in jest but I totally mean it; and that's ok bc everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how detached from reality you think it is.
What was the draft prediction, Jordan Davis and Karlaftis? Lol you're the greatest Manny!
I think it's likely Willis has more starts in his future than Jones does.
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seem a little over the top for people that can't make enough excuses for Mr.Jones.
I think it's likely Willis has more starts in his future than Jones does.
More starts from day 1 this year, or total in career? I tend to agree from this point forward. The league and QBs are changing. Once Jones is let go, I doubt he does any more than back up.
On this topic, I would be shocked if Willis EVER pans out, but stranger things have happened.
On this topic, I would be shocked if Willis EVER pans out, but stranger things have happened.
I didn't even bring Jones up.
Can we agree that neither is an answer? I think that's fair.
Can we agree that neither is an answer? I think that's fair.
I think we have a lot more proof of what Jones is than Willis.
On this topic, I would be shocked if Willis EVER pans out, but stranger things have happened.
I brought up Jones.
It's a fair point. Criticism of Jones around here is met with neverending excuses. His failures are everybody's fault but his.
I find it odd that while Willis is physically far superior, many in this thread have written him off already but not Jones.
We have ample evidence that Jones isn't an NFL QB.
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"turn the thread into a chance to bash Jones".
On this topic, I would be shocked if Willis EVER pans out, but stranger things have happened.
I brought up Jones.
It's a fair point. Criticism of Jones around here is met with neverending excuses. His failures are everybody's fault but his.
I find it odd that while Willis is physically far superior, many in this thread have written him off already but not Jones.
We have ample evidence that Jones isn't an NFL QB.
And outside of physical traits, Willis looks less capable of reading defenses and making timely/accurate throws than Jones did coming out of Duke.
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"turn the thread into a chance to bash Jones".
On this topic, I would be shocked if Willis EVER pans out, but stranger things have happened.
I brought up Jones.
It's a fair point. Criticism of Jones around here is met with neverending excuses. His failures are everybody's fault but his.
I find it odd that while Willis is physically far superior, many in this thread have written him off already but not Jones.
We have ample evidence that Jones isn't an NFL QB.
LGG, Willis may be far superior physically, but where is his head? Jones is not stupid, yet he has trouble reading defenses, supposedly. Willis is absolutely worse coming out of college and less accurate. For whatever reason Jones has trouble learning how to make the reads - it isn't his physical ability(aside from getting hurt). Will Willis be able to read defenses. Just because he is smart does not mean he can.
Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.
So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?
Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.
So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?
Willis had one read or run whereas Jones ran a more pro style offense. I would hope his completion percentage was higher. Willis had guys open in college but he would never look there way if they weren’t first read. At Senior Bowl practices it was more of the same - excellent deep ball but short/medium passes were anybody’s guess. To use another sports example, he is the 100 MPH pitcher who can’t locate the strike zone.
Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.
So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?
How many dropped passes? And have you seen Willis' throws? Who knows where they are headed. Guy has a great arm, but they are all over the place.
He has talent, but the description of the wild power pitcher is accurate. He will need foot work drills to correct his mechanics.
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Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.
Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.
So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?
How many dropped passes? And have you seen Willis' throws? Who knows where they are headed. Guy has a great arm, but they are all over the place.
He has talent, but the description of the wild power pitcher is accurate. He will need foot work drills to correct his mechanics.
I don't know the number of dropped passes either player had.
And I agree with your positions on what Willis needs to improve.
But the stats are the stats, and with a renown offensive minded HC like Cutcliff, Jones didn't crack 60% completion% despite that tutelage. Meanwhile, Willis, and all of his issues you cited, had a noticeably better completion% with a much, much better YPA.
So, I find it hard to reconcile your position that Jones was this more accurate passer.
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Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.
Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.
So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?
How many dropped passes? And have you seen Willis' throws? Who knows where they are headed. Guy has a great arm, but they are all over the place.
He has talent, but the description of the wild power pitcher is accurate. He will need foot work drills to correct his mechanics.
I don't know the number of dropped passes either player had.
And I agree with your positions on what Willis needs to improve.
But the stats are the stats, and with a renown offensive minded HC like Cutcliff, Jones didn't crack 60% completion% despite that tutelage. Meanwhile, Willis, and all of his issues you cited, had a noticeably better completion% with a much, much better YPA.
So, I find it hard to reconcile your position that Jones was this more accurate passer.
Yep stats are stats. Jones did throw about twice as many passes and had one bad year, in of course, a much better conference.
But yep Willis was right in line where you would want.
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Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.
Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.
So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?
Willis had one read or run whereas Jones ran a more pro style offense. I would hope his completion percentage was higher. Willis had guys open in college but he would never look there way if they weren’t first read. At Senior Bowl practices it was more of the same - excellent deep ball but short/medium passes were anybody’s guess. To use another sports example, he is the 100 MPH pitcher who can’t locate the strike zone.
I can name a lot of QBs in college who played in a pro system and had a helluva lot better completion% than Jones. And I don't have to pick QBs from the big brands like Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU, Oklahoma, etc. So, that seems like a strange excuse...?
I really don't know if Willis couldn't go through progressions. I certainly hear that. Of course, I heard the same thing about Justin Fields. But then a few analysts worked studied film and spoke with Coach Day. And the truth was Fields was actually going through reads and doing it pretty well.
I agree, btw, Willis has work to do. But I watched A LOT of Josh Allen's work at Wyoming and he struggled with accuracy, too. It was a combination of trying to make too many perfect plays and trying to force balls into windows because he trusted his arm too much.
My point being that Willis has the raw skills (like Allen did), but also a lot of fat to his game. If he can get with the right coaches and development, like Allen did in Buffalo, there is a chance a big filet mignon is in there.
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Jones's completion% was 59.9% and his YPA was 6.4 for his career.
Willis's completion% was 62.8% and his YPA was 8.4 for his career.
So, how was Jones "more accurate" coming out college?
Willis had one read or run whereas Jones ran a more pro style offense. I would hope his completion percentage was higher. Willis had guys open in college but he would never look there way if they weren’t first read. At Senior Bowl practices it was more of the same - excellent deep ball but short/medium passes were anybody’s guess. To use another sports example, he is the 100 MPH pitcher who can’t locate the strike zone.
I can name a lot of QBs in college who played in a pro system and had a helluva lot better completion% than Jones. And I don't have to pick QBs from the big brands like Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU, Oklahoma, etc. So, that seems like a strange excuse...?
I really don't know if Willis couldn't go through progressions. I certainly hear that. Of course, I heard the same thing about Justin Fields. But then a few analysts worked studied film and spoke with Coach Day. And the truth was Fields was actually going through reads and doing it pretty well.
I agree, btw, Willis has work to do. But I watched A LOT of Josh Allen's work at Wyoming and he struggled with accuracy, too. It was a combination of trying to make too many perfect plays and trying to force balls into windows because he trusted his arm too much.
My point being that Willis has the raw skills (like Allen did), but also a lot of fat to his game. If he can get with the right coaches and development, like Allen did in Buffalo, there is a chance a big filet mignon is in there.
What round was Allen drafted in and what round was Willis drafted? This was a year where teams wanted and needed QBs. Tells you what the front offices thought. Allen had flaws, but obviously not many.
I hope Willis does well. I think he has a chance because of his physical ability and being smart. But will he be able to learn how to read defenses - has not stopped Lamar. I think Willis eventually will be better.
uh but wont they know exactly whats coming when he trots in?
I think many of you are sleeping on the Titans. They’re a run first team, Woods, their rookie rb, and Willis make their run threat even better. I think they’re a contender for the AFC championship.
They have been a contender the last few. So what's your point?
The same Ryan Tannenhill who helped solidify the Titans offense when they acquired him 2 years ago?
Don't hold your breath.