In his pre-draft evaluation of Daniel Jones, Sy'56 compared him, physically, to Ryan Tannehill, so I'm going to use Tannehill as a benchmark, with the understanding that statistically he's been a better QB than Jones in their respective first four years.
Can you field a competitive team with a Ryan Tannehill at the helm? Absolutely, provided every other facet of your team is strong, or at least above average. Good skill players, good offensive line, good defense and special teams. You'll be competitive. You might even make the playoffs, either by winning your division or as a wild card, if you can stay relatively healthy and get a favorable bounce or two as the season progresses.
Can you field a championship team, though? Probably not, and therein lies the dilemma. The proverbial "game manager" can keep a good team competitive, provided it stays good, but the odds are he won't be able to elevate that team to a championship level. In today's NFL, you need a QB with elite-level skill to do that.
Daniel Jones may be good enough to keep the Giants out of the cellar with a good, strong supporting cast around him, but I doubt he'll ever be able to put the team on his back, if need be, and carry it to The Promised Land.
If all you want is to not be a complete joke, you can keep him and build around him as best you can. If you want to add another Lombardi Trophy or two, you move on, and replace him as soon as you can, "by any means necessary," with a much, much better QB.
Jones is 12-25 as a starter. He’s had awful games where his play prevented wins. The KC game last year was a prime example.
I don’t get all the loyalty to Jones. As Terps mentioned above, everything else Gettleman did was awful, but he nailed the Jones pick?
You want to pay Jones $20M plus per year if he shows “some” improvement this year? I don’t want this team in QB hell. I think the best thing for this franchise is Schoen/Daboll getting to pick their own guy next year.
If Jones sets the world on fire and the Giants go 12-5, I will be thrilled. Nothing has suggested that is remotely possible though.
My take on Jones is not about loyalty to him. It s about believing he gives the Giants the best chance to win this season, a decision made by Dabol and Schoen indicate they came to this conclusion.
To another point being made on this thread, I ve admitted before Jones was overdrafted, that can’t be undone. You want to tell me moving on from Jones this season gets the Giants Allen or Herbert, all for it. Some posters keep trying to make the point that somehow we have to get # 6 value from Jones or he s a bust, not the way it works
As to Eli at the end, yes I was convinced the Giants couldn’t win with him anymore, I was right. When I get there with Jones I’ll be the same with him
Terps keeps making the point his past play has it locked in stone, that he s done. I ve been around sports enough to know the past is not always an absolute predictor of the future
You guys that are in a position of Giants cannot win with Jones must lose a lot of enthusiasm from r the coming season. As an NFL fan that s one of the worst places to be, knowing it s a throw away season until you get the right guy.
If Jones is what you guys say he is, we will all get there soon enough, not going there in May, going to remain optimistic.
Still don’t understand why optimism has become politically incorrect on this board
Also I don’t think I said pay Jones 20 million if he improves, kind of depends on the improvement
Those Dolphin teams were bad.
Next year there probably won’t be such a thing as a 20/M a year QB in the NFL. All of the multi-year starters not on a rookie deal will be 30-50M.
And then every other QB in the league (either on rookie deals or backups) is making 10M or less, except Winston (14M).
Realistically, Jones has to prove it this year, and if he doesn’t he’ll get franchised and have to prove it again. Unless you pay him 30M+ a year.
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be perfect so we have a shot at advancing to the divisional round.
I’ll preface this by saying that I don’t think Jones is any good so as to not be accused of being a “Jones lover”. But at the same time, I cannot figure out why fans keep repeating this line of everything has to be perfect for Jones. Perfect? Wtf? How about giving him everything just average? Hell, how about simply everything slightly below average? I’d settle for that! Or how about just giving him SOMETHING average. Anything. His OL has been a dumpster fire. So has the WR group, And the coaching. These three things couldn’t be any worse than they have been. There’s an enormous gap between everything needing to be perfect and what he’s had to work with.
These aren’t excuses. They are facts. Like I said, I still don’t think he’s the answer, but completely ignoring the shitty ass situation he’s had is disingenuous. At best.
The receiver group Jones had to work with was often fine. he couldn't get the ball to them. He couldn't work with them when they were healthy.
Golladay, Shep, Toney, Slayton, Engram, Barkley may not be the best group in the league, but they were a pretty solid, professional group. And when they were on the field, Jones looked lost as ever.
This is laughable. How many games did that group play together?
I'd love to know the answer to this. Anyone know? I think the answer is 0. In fact there may have only been a game or two when they had 4 of that group available.
Those Dolphin teams were bad.
Tannehill's record with the dolphins was 42-46 in 6 years so they weren't as terrible as you remember despite 4 of the 6 years he started they were bottom 5 in ppg.
Tannehill in the 6 MIA years 62.8% comp, 6.7 y/a, 230 ypg, 87 qb rating, 4.7% td, 2.4% int
Jones through 3 years 62.8% comp, 6.3 y/a, 221 ypg, 84 qb rating, 3.5% td, 2.3% int
Next year there probably won’t be such a thing as a 20/M a year QB in the NFL. All of the multi-year starters not on a rookie deal will be 30-50M.
And then every other QB in the league (either on rookie deals or backups) is making 10M or less, except Winston (14M).
Realistically, Jones has to prove it this year, and if he doesn’t he’ll get franchised and have to prove it again. Unless you pay him 30M+ a year.
That is right. And only about 10-12 guys are in that $30M+ category I think (need to verify).
So does Jones have a QB makeup that you can see him in that upper category in his future? And on a consistent basis that you can put 4-5 years of a contract behind it?
Hard to say anything other than no.
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He is in the final year of his contract. The coaches and Joe schoen will evaluate if they consider him a long term solution or not.
If they think he can be the long term solution, then they will sign him to a new deal.
If they don't, they move on.
Where is the dilemma?
For me it's John Mara's influence. It's getting a good, but not great year from Jones and sticking with him because of that. It's settling for good, but not great, when great should be sought for the position.
So we're gonna ditch Jones if he's merely "good" in 2022? And define good? Is that 2005-2006 Eli? Worse? Better? Are we defining good but the number of wins the team has?
So if we go 10-7 and Jones has a 28 total TD type year, with let's say 5000 total yards or so...19 turnovers....we're gonna move on because we can do better?
It's not that simple.
This is why I was surprised they didn’t exercise the option if they didn’t cut him (I would have opted to cut him).
Jones isn’t going to come out and bomb. His floor is probably fringe starter. He’s not going to fall apart and prove he doesn’t belong.
If I had to guess, in 8 months we’re going to see a bunch of talk that: it was a new line, a bunch of new weapons, first year in the system, Barkley was injured yet again, Daboll and Kafka were getting there feet under them.
And the Giants will give Jones another year to prove it, instead of paying him 30M+.
"You guys that are in a position of Giants cannot win with Jones must lose a lot of enthusiasm from r the coming season. As an NFL fan that s one of the worst places to be, knowing it s a throw away season until you get the right guy."
It's a downer that Jones is the QB again. It's a near certainty that he's gone after the year, so what is the point of giving him snaps? I'd rather see those snaps go to Lewerke on the small chance he shows enough that he might be a tradeable asset or even a consideration as a starter in 2023.
Right now we're not advancing anywhere at the quarterback position. We're just killing time until the next draft.
This is why I was surprised they didn’t exercise the option if they didn’t cut him (I would have opted to cut him).
Jones isn’t going to come out and bomb. His floor is probably fringe starter. He’s not going to fall apart and prove he doesn’t belong.
If I had to guess, in 8 months we’re going to see a bunch of talk that: it was a new line, a bunch of new weapons, first year in the system, Barkley was injured yet again, Daboll and Kafka were getting there feet under them.
And the Giants will give Jones another year to prove it, instead of paying him 30M+.
giving Jones another year at that point will mean franchise tag ..... 40M+ ....... not likely
This is why I was surprised they didn’t exercise the option if they didn’t cut him (I would have opted to cut him).
Jones isn’t going to come out and bomb. His floor is probably fringe starter. He’s not going to fall apart and prove he doesn’t belong.
If I had to guess, in 8 months we’re going to see a bunch of talk that: it was a new line, a bunch of new weapons, first year in the system, Barkley was injured yet again, Daboll and Kafka were getting there feet under them.
And the Giants will give Jones another year to prove it, instead of paying him 30M+.
I think they made the right call in how they played it with him. You can use the tag in the same capacity as the 5th year, it'll just cost you a little more. I don't think that contingent 7-8m difference is worth locking in to find yourself in a Mayfied/Darnold situation next year.
If we're discussing best case with Jones, he balls out maybe sneaks into one of those replacement pro bowl spots, he's likely playing on a tag. Maybe they can work out a team friendly deal with outs but he'll still have a juiced up AAV. It would be great if there was a 20m/yr tier there but unless Jones' camp would be willing to set a precedent, it's a tricky spot.
I agree, I think Jones is a poor starter but there's a lot to look forward to even if it's not going to show up in the wins column yet.
BUT also from a FO standpoint.
I am very pleased to see Jints Central move on from some dead weight up there.
Philly won with a backup QB.
I want a new QB more than likely and it's okay to wait one year before going aggressive with a QB.
If by luck DJ is good then that is fine too.
Philly won with a backup QB.
I want a new QB more than likely and it's okay to wait one year before going aggressive with a QB.
If by luck DJ is good then that is fine too.
You mean two team's that decided their QBs weren't good enough and have replaced them?
Jones ceiling is the kind of QB that even of he's good, you still need to upgrade from because he's not good enough.
To either over-coddle Jones or protect his fragile ego the Giants have refused to bring in any kind of competition. Even this year when picking a young QB would have made tons of sense they didn't. People take that to mean there is something in Jones play that JS and BD have seen but it really is just a sign of the way they do this estate planning.
SF and Philly for many years have had 2nd and 3rd options waiting in the wings because that is what smart teams do with the most valuable position on the field. Even when QBs have shown MUCH more than Jones it makes sense to have both a veteran QB and a young up and comer waiting in the wings.
What you have identified as being able to win with a lesser QB I would 100% attribute to a modern strategy of risk diversification. SF is a prime example, having Jimmy G ready. Kap was a 2nd round pick and had an electric post season run.
You aren't doing what you think you are doing here Giantstock. Those teams have done what a lot of us are advocating. Don't put all your eggs in one basket, if you don't have the elite QB have different QBs ready to take a bite of that apple and step up.
The real tragedy of this season is that we didn't draft one of the mid round, young QBs and I don't think that had anything to do with their value. Occom's razor. Some teams have a philosophy that stretches decades of spreading resources out on the QB position. Some like the Giants are on the complete other end of the spectrum, they fall in love with their QBs and view it as very much a part of that love to show dedication to that QB. They view it as disloyal to bring in real competition. The data backs that up when you see a team like SF consistently do this and a team like the NYG only do this for single years of transition and under duress from the fan base. Fans shouldn't have to push you to diversify the most important asset on the field but that has 100% been the pattern
Philly won with a backup QB.
I want a new QB more than likely and it's okay to wait one year before going aggressive with a QB.
If by luck DJ is good then that is fine too.
The key factor with Philly was that they weren't paying the QB in that year. They could afford a stacked roster around the position. The second they paid the QB, that thing collapsed. San Fran hasn't gotten over the hump either and aggressively traded up for a QB last year. Jimmy is decent but their actions speak loudly there.
BTW, I was an asshole to you when we last interacted on here and I apologize for that.
It's a downer that Jones is the QB again. It's a near certainty that he's gone after the year, so what is the point of giving him snaps?
Because "it's not certain" he is gone?
You're the one who said it's not certain so it appears you are arguing against yourself.
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They go to the Super Bowl with a lesser QB and almost won.
Philly won with a backup QB.
I want a new QB more than likely and it's okay to wait one year before going aggressive with a QB.
If by luck DJ is good then that is fine too.
You mean two team's that decided their QBs weren't good enough and have replaced them?
Jones ceiling is the kind of QB that even of he's good, you still need to upgrade from because he's not good enough.
I mean the team that won a Super Bowl, and got to a Super Bowl with the other and the NFC Championship the other.
That's not something you want to see as Giants fan?
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They go to the Super Bowl with a lesser QB and almost won.
Philly won with a backup QB.
I want a new QB more than likely and it's okay to wait one year before going aggressive with a QB.
If by luck DJ is good then that is fine too.
The key factor with Philly was that they weren't paying the QB in that year. They could afford a stacked roster around the position. The second they paid the QB, that thing collapsed. San Fran hasn't gotten over the hump either and aggressively traded up for a QB last year. Jimmy is decent but their actions speak loudly there.
BTW, I was an asshole to you when we last interacted on here and I apologize for that.
NP - I can't recall other than we argued and it got ugly but somehow I don't think that bad. I apologize as well. I can get over-the-top.
Be interested to see what Baker is going to get after his contract is done.
With San Fran - they at least got there and another year the got NFC championship. And that Super Bowl, that was tight.
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They go to the Super Bowl with a lesser QB and almost won.
Philly won with a backup QB.
I want a new QB more than likely and it's okay to wait one year before going aggressive with a QB.
If by luck DJ is good then that is fine too.
You mean two team's that decided their QBs weren't good enough and have replaced them?
Jones ceiling is the kind of QB that even of he's good, you still need to upgrade from because he's not good enough.
I mean the team that won a Super Bowl, and got to a Super Bowl with the other and the NFC Championship the other.
That's not something you want to see as Giants fan?
Of course, but I don't think it's necessarily the best strategy to emulate. Especially since despite that success those teams still changed/are about to change their QB.
If everything breaks just right could DJ get to a SB with the right players around him? Sure. But IMO having a win-because of QB not a win-with passenger QB is going to set this team up for long term success and not just a Cinderella run
Be thankful they did not reach this year for a substandard QB and rely on some of the QB gurus here.
This is going to seem like semantics, but that's not my intent:
We don't know if DJ has elevated the offense at all if the only comparison is Glennon and Fromm. Their struggles may say less about how bad the supporting cast is and may say more about how bad Glennon and Fromm were. Being less awful does not necessarily equal elevating anything about the offense.
It could just as easily mean that Jones is a much better backup QB than two guys who probably don't belong in the NFL at this point.
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They go to the Super Bowl with a lesser QB and almost won.
Philly won with a backup QB.
I want a new QB more than likely and it's okay to wait one year before going aggressive with a QB.
If by luck DJ is good then that is fine too.
You mean two team's that decided their QBs weren't good enough and have replaced them?
Jones ceiling is the kind of QB that even of he's good, you still need to upgrade from because he's not good enough.
I mean the team that won a Super Bowl, and got to a Super Bowl with the other and the NFC Championship the other.
That's not something you want to see as Giants fan?
Of course, but I don't think it's necessarily the best strategy to emulate. Especially since despite that success those teams still changed/are about to change their QB.
If everything breaks just right could DJ get to a SB with the right players around him? Sure. But IMO having a win-because of QB not a win-with passenger QB is going to set this team up for long term success and not just a Cinderella run
That's why I'm with many that prefer he eventually is gone.
But I'm not with the "Go Terps" type of posters that think they should have just dumped him for nay of the other "junk" that is currently available. These were the same type of posters wanting to push Glennon on us during the season.
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It's a downer that Jones is the QB again. It's a near certainty that he's gone after the year, so what is the point of giving him snaps?
Because "it's not certain" he is gone?
You're the one who said it's not certain so it appears you are arguing against yourself.
You want to parse words, fine. I don't think it's the point of the discussion.
My prediction is that sometime between Halloween and Thanksgiving we're going to be asking ourselves why we gave a lame duck any 2022 snaps at all.
I am excited for the new regime and the players that Schoen has brought in. He's replaced about half the roster already; I expect nearly all of the other half will be on the chopping block soon and replaced with better players.
Fromm and Glennon are not starting caliber QBs in the NFL. They probably aren't backup worthy. Fromm started no games in the NFL. Somehow, Jones gets 4 seasons to make mistakes, but Jake Fromm is used as an indicator with no NFL starts. Talk about grading Jones on a curve.
Put a real QB on this team, last season, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, and they would make Jones look the way Jones made Fromm appear.
My prediction is that sometime between Halloween and Thanksgiving we're going to be asking ourselves why we gave a lame duck any 2022 snaps at all.
this is a false premise.
as usual the find a new qb group campaign forgets that to do so you need to...find a new qb.
they passed on all the options in the draft (as did the entire league more than once for all except pickett).
they passed on Trubisky for basically the same $ as Taylor.
so are you still not abandoning that they should have picked Willis at #5 and only didn't because Mara doesn't want a black QB? Or should they have gone with Pickett? Or given up picks for Wentz?
Which specific player should they have given the 2022 snaps to?
To either over-coddle Jones or protect his fragile ego the Giants have refused to bring in any kind of competition. Even this year when picking a young QB would have made tons of sense they didn't. People take that to mean there is something in Jones play that JS and BD have seen but it really is just a sign of the way they do this estate planning.
SF and Philly for many years have had 2nd and 3rd options waiting in the wings because that is what smart teams do with the most valuable position on the field. Even when QBs have shown MUCH more than Jones it makes sense to have both a veteran QB and a young up and comer waiting in the wings.
What you have identified as being able to win with a lesser QB I would 100% attribute to a modern strategy of risk diversification. SF is a prime example, having Jimmy G ready. Kap was a 2nd round pick and had an electric post season run.
You aren't doing what you think you are doing here Giantstock. Those teams have done what a lot of us are advocating. Don't put all your eggs in one basket, if you don't have the elite QB have different QBs ready to take a bite of that apple and step up.
The real tragedy of this season is that we didn't draft one of the mid round, young QBs and I don't think that had anything to do with their value. Occom's razor. Some teams have a philosophy that stretches decades of spreading resources out on the QB position. Some like the Giants are on the complete other end of the spectrum, they fall in love with their QBs and view it as very much a part of that love to show dedication to that QB. They view it as disloyal to bring in real competition. The data backs that up when you see a team like SF consistently do this and a team like the NYG only do this for single years of transition and under duress from the fan base. Fans shouldn't have to push you to diversify the most important asset on the field but that has 100% been the pattern
I don't agree.
You start taking those "other QB's:" when you built up a baseline (floor) of a solid team. Just as Philly did. They got Foles when they were ready to win.
I can see it if you don't have a plan for 2023- but imo Giants have a good plan in 0223 because 2022 they are going to suck. You don't need to be in the top 2 to draft a good QB.
It's hwy I advocated not taking a QB this year.
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It's a downer that Jones is the QB again. It's a near certainty that he's gone after the year, so what is the point of giving him snaps?
Because "it's not certain" he is gone?
You're the one who said it's not certain so it appears you are arguing against yourself.
You want to parse words, fine. I don't think it's the point of the discussion.
My prediction is that sometime between Halloween and Thanksgiving we're going to be asking ourselves why we gave a lame duck any 2022 snaps at all.
I am excited for the new regime and the players that Schoen has brought in. He's replaced about half the roster already; I expect nearly all of the other half will be on the chopping block soon and replaced with better players.
If Daboll/Kafka/Tierney reported to Schoen that, after reviewing the scouting film of Pickett, Willis, Ridder, and Corral, none of this years crop is a "QB of the future" then I don't have a problem giving a lame duck 2022 snaps. On the other hand, if the 3 of them were pounding the table for a particular QB, I would not be happy if the Giants passed on that player and instead are giving snaps to Jones after that other player would have been ready. I think someone like Sam Darnold is a cautionary tale of throwing a QB into the fire before he should have been because he looked the part in preseason.
Daniel Jones was the #6 overall pick. apparently now his measuring stick has been reduced to a backup QB/special teams over achiever. sadly for us, other teams expect to take future pro bowlers and all pros with a pick that high.
Well some of those same people also doubted Charlie Connerly, despite him being the rookie of the year and an all-pro before winning a championship.
So in summary, that is a good comment to completely dismiss.
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It's a downer that Jones is the QB again. It's a near certainty that he's gone after the year, so what is the point of giving him snaps?
Because "it's not certain" he is gone?
You're the one who said it's not certain so it appears you are arguing against yourself.
You want to parse words, fine. I don't think it's the point of the discussion.
My prediction is that sometime between Halloween and Thanksgiving we're going to be asking ourselves why we gave a lame duck any 2022 snaps at all.
I am excited for the new regime and the players that Schoen has brought in. He's replaced about half the roster already; I expect nearly all of the other half will be on the chopping block soon and replaced with better players.
It is the point of the discussion. Because you will use "those words" to cover yourself in the future.
And your point on Halloween to Thanks is laughable. C;mon. Posters like you that complained and do complain every day will continue to complain. Okay fine you are going to complain. That's just "you."
Some for example already recognize the season is going to suck more than likely and we don';t agree with posters like you that that maybe pushed Glennon type QB's all because you hate Jones.
Fromm and Glennon are not starting caliber QBs in the NFL. They probably aren't backup worthy. Fromm started no games in the NFL. Somehow, Jones gets 4 seasons to make mistakes, but Jake Fromm is used as an indicator with no NFL starts. Talk about grading Jones on a curve.
Put a real QB on this team, last season, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, and they would make Jones look the way Jones made Fromm appear.
And if I came in to replace Glennon, the offense would have been even worse. So using that measure, Glennon also elevated this offense.
And then if my grandmother came in to replace me...
They also capitalized on the RPO which since then the NFL has been much better at defending. So big tip of the cap to the coaching effort that year.
They should have drafted a quarterback in this draft. Shit, they could have signed Strong as a UDFA.
To go into the season with a depth chart of Jones/Taylor/Webb is punting the season at the position. No one there figures for the future. No one there is a realistic candidate to be here past 2023.
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Which specific player should they have given the 2022 snaps to?
They should have drafted a quarterback in this draft. Shit, they could have signed Strong as a UDFA.
To go into the season with a depth chart of Jones/Taylor/Webb is punting the season at the position. No one there figures for the future. No one there is a realistic candidate to be here past 2023.
And next year I'm sure you'll deny ever advocating for Strong if he doesn't pan out.
Why?
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And next year I'm sure you'll deny ever advocating for Strong if he doesn't pan out.
Why?
You tell me. You will be the one inevitably denying it. Probably you can't remember what you posted and basically sometimes you don't think and just post the 1st thing that pops into your head?
You tell me.
They also capitalized on the RPO which since then the NFL has been much better at defending. So big tip of the cap to the coaching effort that year.
Which is why I advocated not taking a QB in early rounds this year unless you love him.
And it's why I feel it was best to wait drafting in other rounds until you get more quality players.
I don't care.
All of the energy spend arguing how they feel about Jones is wasted energy. They only we know for sure is that they felt the wisest financial decision they could make was decline the Daniel Jones' fifth year option.
Take all the time you need to understand what that actually means.
We can get clues by thinking about what it does not mean.
They did not decline the 5th year option because they believe Jones is the long term answer.
I don't know why that is so hard to comprehend.
Here is my BBI prediction for 2022. Jones is going to put up a stat line somewhat equivalent to what Cousins, Goff and Foles and did in similar systems, right before their teams at the time, all decided to move on form them.
QB stats are inflated in these type of systems.
BBI will go to war.
Jones is a one year deal now, he needs to be VERY good.
And someone else will pay DJ to see if he's their answer.
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Which specific player should they have given the 2022 snaps to?
They should have drafted a quarterback in this draft. Shit, they could have signed Strong as a UDFA.
To go into the season with a depth chart of Jones/Taylor/Webb is punting the season at the position. No one there figures for the future. No one there is a realistic candidate to be here past 2023.
which QB should they have drafted?
you are wishing for something the NFL seems to think wasn't there. this is basically saying "play Fromm it can't be worse".
And yes, I'm fine starting any unknown quantity over going with Jones. Jones is a known quantity: poor starter who is not part of the future - that was cemented when they didn't pick up the option.
Say we draft Howell (a more talented player than Jones, by the way) in the 4th. Play him in 2022 - if he shows something, great - we don't need to draft a QB in 2023. If he doesn't, fine - we're open to drafting a guy in 2023 anyway.
What's the point of playing Jones? And I'm asking that question in the real world, not the "what if he turns into Josh Allen" world. We know how this story ends.
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woeful under Fromm and Glennon is patently absurd.
Fromm and Glennon are not starting caliber QBs in the NFL. They probably aren't backup worthy. Fromm started no games in the NFL. Somehow, Jones gets 4 seasons to make mistakes, but Jake Fromm is used as an indicator with no NFL starts. Talk about grading Jones on a curve.
Put a real QB on this team, last season, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, and they would make Jones look the way Jones made Fromm appear.
And if I came in to replace Glennon, the offense would have been even worse. So using that measure, Glennon also elevated this offense.
And then if my grandmother came in to replace me...
Yep. That's how silly it is. Their logic in action.
And yes, I'm fine starting any unknown quantity over going with Jones. Jones is a known quantity: poor starter who is not part of the future - that was cemented when they didn't pick up the option.
Say we draft Howell (a more talented player than Jones, by the way) in the 4th. Play him in 2022 - if he shows something, great - we don't need to draft a QB in 2023. If he doesn't, fine - we're open to drafting a guy in 2023 anyway.
What's the point of playing Jones? And I'm asking that question in the real world, not the "what if he turns into Josh Allen" world. We know how this story ends.
I completely agree. We could have had Willis with a 3rd round pick. It's all upside at that point. I love the Daboll/Schoen approach. But this is something we might regret.
Most of us know what we have in Jones. But we don't know what Willis can be. Right now, the sky is the limit on Willis, and for all of these QBs. Right now Jones is a mediocrity who might win 7 games and cost us a chance at a great QB in next year's draft. I would rather roll with a Willis, and if he sucks we win 2 games and pick one of the studs in 23.
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Which specific player should they have given the 2022 snaps to?
They should have drafted a quarterback in this draft. Shit, they could have signed Strong as a UDFA.
To go into the season with a depth chart of Jones/Taylor/Webb is punting the season at the position. No one there figures for the future. No one there is a realistic candidate to be here past 2023.
What if Daboll/Kafka/Tierney did not think that there was any QB in this draft that they wanted on the roster past 2023?