In his pre-draft evaluation of Daniel Jones, Sy'56 compared him, physically, to Ryan Tannehill, so I'm going to use Tannehill as a benchmark, with the understanding that statistically he's been a better QB than Jones in their respective first four years.
Can you field a competitive team with a Ryan Tannehill at the helm? Absolutely, provided every other facet of your team is strong, or at least above average. Good skill players, good offensive line, good defense and special teams. You'll be competitive. You might even make the playoffs, either by winning your division or as a wild card, if you can stay relatively healthy and get a favorable bounce or two as the season progresses.
Can you field a championship team, though? Probably not, and therein lies the dilemma. The proverbial "game manager" can keep a good team competitive, provided it stays good, but the odds are he won't be able to elevate that team to a championship level. In today's NFL, you need a QB with elite-level skill to do that.
Daniel Jones may be good enough to keep the Giants out of the cellar with a good, strong supporting cast around him, but I doubt he'll ever be able to put the team on his back, if need be, and carry it to The Promised Land.
If all you want is to not be a complete joke, you can keep him and build around him as best you can. If you want to add another Lombardi Trophy or two, you move on, and replace him as soon as you can, "by any means necessary," with a much, much better QB.
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Which specific player should they have given the 2022 snaps to?
They should have drafted a quarterback in this draft. Shit, they could have signed Strong as a UDFA.
To go into the season with a depth chart of Jones/Taylor/Webb is punting the season at the position. No one there figures for the future. No one there is a realistic candidate to be here past 2023.
What if Daboll/Kafka/Tierney did not think that there was any QB in this draft that they wanted on the roster past 2023?
easy, say they should have taken 1 of them anyway so you can call it a mistake if 1 of them happens to succeed.
Fromm and Glennon are not starting caliber QBs in the NFL. They probably aren't backup worthy. Fromm started no games in the NFL. Somehow, Jones gets 4 seasons to make mistakes, but Jake Fromm is used as an indicator with no NFL starts. Talk about grading Jones on a curve.
Put a real QB on this team, last season, Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, and they would make Jones look the way Jones made Fromm appear.
No actually it s not. Glennon has never been as futile as he was last season, not even with the Jags
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Which specific player should they have given the 2022 snaps to?
They should have drafted a quarterback in this draft. Shit, they could have signed Strong as a UDFA.
To go into the season with a depth chart of Jones/Taylor/Webb is punting the season at the position. No one there figures for the future. No one there is a realistic candidate to be here past 2023.
What if Daboll/Kafka/Tierney did not think that there was any QB in this draft that they wanted on the roster past 2023?
This seems pretty reasonable. I also doubt this brand new staff wanted all the attention a QB added would bring that they thought very unlikely would have any type of success.
But we are not a fly on the wall of the closed door meetings. We know McAdoo really wanted Pat Mahomes, but I am not going to fault Schoen if the coaching staff said they had nobody in this draft that they thought would end up better than Daniel Jones (or in the case of Pickett that he was enough better than Jones to make up the difference of KT or Neal versus who would have been in their place).
So why is he still here?
So why is he still here?
When you are convinced there is no chance the quarterback is in place, it really sucks. Going to be a rough season for you
So why is he still here?
You already told us, Mara doesn't want a black QB.
What did we hear all offseason “what better option do we have?” I’m sure we will hear that exact refrain next offseason. But that’s a self fulfilling prophecy when you have your sacred cow. It’s terrifying the way people defend a QB that has never been good, not at any level. All of these arguments about Jones are an attempt to project him being less bad than his competition forward. Or one season where he put up numbers but had one of the sloppiest seasons for a QB ever. You guys are going to be doing your acrobatics to explain why he should get paid big bucks after a decent season. For the love of god wake up and stop helping to rubber stamp underwhelming QB play before we get stuck to it long term.
People seem confident that we will be able to cut bait if he has a less than great season I’m not so confident. Why are we content to bet on a guy whose upside projects to perhaps winning with a stellar team around him? For the people saying I’m ok with that, we don’t even know if he IS that yet. Why sign up for that bet?
What did we hear all offseason “what better option do we have?” I’m sure we will hear that exact refrain next offseason. But that’s a self fulfilling prophecy when you have your sacred cow. It’s terrifying the way people defend a QB that has never been good, not at any level. All of these arguments about Jones are an attempt to project him being less bad than his competition forward. Or one season where he put up numbers but had one of the sloppiest seasons for a QB ever. You guys are going to be doing your acrobatics to explain why he should get paid big bucks after a decent season. For the love of god wake up and stop helping to rubber stamp underwhelming QB play before we get stuck to it long term.
People seem confident that we will be able to cut bait if he has a less than great season I’m not so confident. Why are we content to bet on a guy whose upside projects to perhaps winning with a stellar team around him? For the people saying I’m ok with that, we don’t even know if he IS that yet. Why sign up for that bet?
Ask Schoen and Daboll, they're the ones that are making that bet with their careers.
(oh right, I forgot they were forced into keep jones)
(but not forced to give him his 5th year option, or block signing Taylor)
(however also forced them to not draft any of the rookie qbs)
So why is he still here?
Because at his price tag for 2022 there was not anybody they saw as a better option (no pun intended). Daboll and Kafka care more about (1) being able to run their entire offense and (2) not getting the WR's killed. Jones, for all of his faults (and there are many), allows you to run a more complete playbook than if you are going with a rookie. Also, I don't believe for a minute that the QB position is settled. If someone like Baker Mayfield got cut by Cleveland I could see the Giants having interest. With the offset language nobody will offer Mayfield anything that would net him more money so a team like the Giants would be competitive even if they lack cap room.
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We do know what they think of Jones though. They told us that clearly when they didn't pick up his option.
So why is he still here?
You already told us, Mara doesn't want a black QB.
I guess they never met Tyrod Taylor!
I’m not saying I know what they think. I’m saying whatever they think is undoubtedly moved and influenced by those clear feelings. How can you ignore that?
How do you know on the flip side that JS wouldn’t have preferred to trade DJ without influence?
This is the annoying part, I’m not asking for anything all the logically incongruent. Just that a man with a history of being a meddling owner with strong opinions on the starting QB who gets up and talks in the same way he has in the past. That man may still be making at least some impact?
I’m not ignoring the possibility that things could be different. But many are ignoring the possibility that they aren’t different. And that way Mara talked about Jones isn’t a great indication that things are different
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We do know what they think of Jones though. They told us that clearly when they didn't pick up his option.
So why is he still here?
You already told us, Mara doesn't want a black QB.
I guess they never met Tyrod Taylor!
the history is a little murky but based on the anthony wright accords of 2007 the maras have had longstanding comfort with black backups so taylor is in the clear.
the andre woodson conventions of 2008 set precedent to draft a black qb on the old day 2 of the draft, however since it was round 6 that translates to the new day 3, hence why Malik Willis was passed over.
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We do know what they think of Jones though. They told us that clearly when they didn't pick up his option.
So why is he still here?
When you are convinced there is no chance the quarterback is in place, it really sucks. Going to be a rough season for you
You too, if you care about wins and losses. Some of us do.
And yes, I'm fine starting any unknown quantity over going with Jones. Jones is a known quantity: poor starter who is not part of the future - that was cemented when they didn't pick up the option.
Say we draft Howell (a more talented player than Jones, by the way) in the 4th. Play him in 2022 - if he shows something, great - we don't need to draft a QB in 2023. If he doesn't, fine - we're open to drafting a guy in 2023 anyway.
What's the point of playing Jones? And I'm asking that question in the real world, not the "what if he turns into Josh Allen" world. We know how this story ends.
If you have another Glennon type what's the point of watching? The guy you are drafting is most likely "Glennon" rather than a quality starting QB
Then why would any FA want to come?
It's a business too. The crap you want is too risky for a business. Your solution is "PRAYER." Not because you believe in the player you draft. But because you hate Jones.
Businesses aren't run in the manner you want. If the Scouts in your room are you telling you chances are the player sucks and you completely go outside of that and fail -- your next job is at Dick's Sporting Goods. It's okay for you to suggests this because you aren't accountable and can hide behind a computer screename.
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And please stop with the comedy "what if he turns into Josh Allen." Josh Allen was taken early half round 1. The fact you are suggesting any of these guys are him is completely absurd. Just like many of your posts. Josh Allen?????????? You got to be kidding!!!!!!
Hey using your logic we should sign all QB;s that weren't drafted. They could be the next Kurt Warner!!!!
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We do know what they think of Jones though. They told us that clearly when they didn't pick up his option.
So why is he still here?
When you are convinced there is no chance the quarterback is in place, it really sucks. Going to be a rough season for you
You too, if you care about wins and losses. Some of us do.
Which QB that we did not attempt to sign or draft will produce more wins than Jones THIS YEAR?
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We do know what they think of Jones though. They told us that clearly when they didn't pick up his option.
So why is he still here?
When you are convinced there is no chance the quarterback is in place, it really sucks. Going to be a rough season for you
You too, if you care about wins and losses. Some of us do.
How can you say you care about wins and losses when you want Glennon types????? You just want to gamble and dont give a shit if things go even worse than Glennon types.
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We do know what they think of Jones though. They told us that clearly when they didn't pick up his option.
So why is he still here?
When you are convinced there is no chance the quarterback is in place, it really sucks. Going to be a rough season for you
You too, if you care about wins and losses. Some of us do.
Which QB that we did not attempt to sign or draft will produce more wins than Jones THIS YEAR?
They signed a guy who wins more games: Tyrod Taylor. That move was fine for 2022 (though they've already handed the starting job to Jones).
I'm not looking to draft a quarterback solely for this year, particularly when the ceiling is probably around 7 wins.
What did we hear all offseason “what better option do we have?” I’m sure we will hear that exact refrain next offseason.
I suspect you will be wrong. Because you are intentionally closing your eyes to 2023.
We learned from other non-QB players on the team.
You realize there are other positions in football that also need to learn, right?
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Particularly when they started dropping. I would have explored the trade market for anyone on the roster to try to add day 2 or 3 picks. If I have a complaint thus far with Schoen (not really complaining, I'm happy with his work this far) it's that he could have been more aggressive tearing this down.
And yes, I'm fine starting any unknown quantity over going with Jones. Jones is a known quantity: poor starter who is not part of the future - that was cemented when they didn't pick up the option.
Say we draft Howell (a more talented player than Jones, by the way) in the 4th. Play him in 2022 - if he shows something, great - we don't need to draft a QB in 2023. If he doesn't, fine - we're open to drafting a guy in 2023 anyway.
What's the point of playing Jones? And I'm asking that question in the real world, not the "what if he turns into Josh Allen" world. We know how this story ends.
If you have another Glennon type what's the point of watching? The guy you are drafting is most likely "Glennon" rather than a quality starting QB
Then why would any FA want to come?
It's a business too. The crap you want is too risky for a business. Your solution is "PRAYER." Not because you believe in the player you draft. But because you hate Jones.
Businesses aren't run in the manner you want. If the Scouts in your room are you telling you chances are the player sucks and you completely go outside of that and fail -- your next job is at Dick's Sporting Goods. It's okay for you to suggests this because you aren't accountable and can hide behind a computer screename.
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And please stop with the comedy "what if he turns into Josh Allen." Josh Allen was taken early half round 1. The fact you are suggesting any of these guys are him is completely absurd. Just like many of your posts. Josh Allen?????????? You got to be kidding!!!!!!
Hey using your logic we should sign all QB;s that weren't drafted. They could be the next Kurt Warner!!!!
GT wasn't saying a QB this year would turn into Allen, he was poking at thw people saying what if Jones turns into Josh Allen
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We do know what they think of Jones though. They told us that clearly when they didn't pick up his option.
So why is he still here?
When you are convinced there is no chance the quarterback is in place, it really sucks. Going to be a rough season for you
You too, if you care about wins and losses. Some of us do.
Which QB that we did not attempt to sign or draft will produce more wins than Jones THIS YEAR?
They signed a guy who wins more games: Tyrod Taylor. That move was fine for 2022 (though they've already handed the starting job to Jones).
I'm not looking to draft a quarterback solely for this year, particularly when the ceiling is probably around 7 wins.
If that is the case you then also need to consider the QB's available in the 2023 Draft. Young, Stroud, Jurkovec, Haener, McCall, Levis, Van Dyke, and Armstrong all look better than anybody in 2022 class at this point last year (other than Sam Howell). There are others like Cameron Ward who potentially could rise big time. I just find it hard to believe that all will flat on their face next year. If the Giants are as bad as you are expecting we will likely be in range to select one.
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Particularly when they started dropping. I would have explored the trade market for anyone on the roster to try to add day 2 or 3 picks. If I have a complaint thus far with Schoen (not really complaining, I'm happy with his work this far) it's that he could have been more aggressive tearing this down.
And yes, I'm fine starting any unknown quantity over going with Jones. Jones is a known quantity: poor starter who is not part of the future - that was cemented when they didn't pick up the option.
Say we draft Howell (a more talented player than Jones, by the way) in the 4th. Play him in 2022 - if he shows something, great - we don't need to draft a QB in 2023. If he doesn't, fine - we're open to drafting a guy in 2023 anyway.
What's the point of playing Jones? And I'm asking that question in the real world, not the "what if he turns into Josh Allen" world. We know how this story ends.
If you have another Glennon type what's the point of watching? The guy you are drafting is most likely "Glennon" rather than a quality starting QB
Then why would any FA want to come?
It's a business too. The crap you want is too risky for a business. Your solution is "PRAYER." Not because you believe in the player you draft. But because you hate Jones.
Businesses aren't run in the manner you want. If the Scouts in your room are you telling you chances are the player sucks and you completely go outside of that and fail -- your next job is at Dick's Sporting Goods. It's okay for you to suggests this because you aren't accountable and can hide behind a computer screename.
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And please stop with the comedy "what if he turns into Josh Allen." Josh Allen was taken early half round 1. The fact you are suggesting any of these guys are him is completely absurd. Just like many of your posts. Josh Allen?????????? You got to be kidding!!!!!!
Hey using your logic we should sign all QB;s that weren't drafted. They could be the next Kurt Warner!!!!
GT wasn't saying a QB this year would turn into Allen, he was poking at thw people saying what if Jones turns into Josh Allen
Was there someone on here saying Jones was going to be Allen??? I didn't see that. So I assumed it was GT.
Any nut job prop Jones poster who thinks that needs their head examined.
I just find it hard to believe that all will flat on their face next year. If the Giants are as bad as you are expecting we will likely be in range to select one.
I've made this point many times to posters like Go Terps.
If Jones is as bad as he implies then the team is going to suck thus you put yourself in a good position to draft a 2023 . And it doesn't have ot be the 1st or 2nd overall pick.
And if he gets you in that 6-7 win mark then the idea of drafting a QB this year and dumping Jones in which the new QB could be absolutely horrific is not what a business would normally risk doing.
here's how it's entirely about them - their decisions impact their lives.
the last 3 coaches here have gotten fired after 2 years. Which means Joe Schoen's biggest decision since he's been here is probably more likely than not to end in failure about 18 months from today on black monday 2024.
if things go like the last 4 guys between now and then the most likely things to happen over these next 18 months are articles written about Daboll's job security, poor hires on his coaching staff, reaches in the draft (this one's already happening), and gifs on twitter at his expense to such an extent that getting the axe will probably be a relief even with the prospect of uprooting his family for the x time and possibly never getting another shot at being an NFL head coach.
so to say that every big decision they make carries a lot of weight would be an understatement. these guys had choices and they chose to come here. in a million years i dont think they would sit quietly and pass on what they believe to be a QB upgrade whether it's from UFA or the draft. And certainly not for some of the farcical suggestions like the Mara's don't want a black qb.
a franchise qb in particular is a coaches golden ticket to a successful career. which is a ticket to their families stability and 10's of millions of dollars. their self-interest is entirely on getting things right not wasting the limited time/goodwill they've spent decades building. if they don't get it right this time they likely dont get another shot.
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We do know what they think of Jones though. They told us that clearly when they didn't pick up his option.
So why is he still here?
When you are convinced there is no chance the quarterback is in place, it really sucks. Going to be a rough season for you
You too, if you care about wins and losses. Some of us do.
You ve already accepted defeat. I don’t roll that way
You are acting like just because it will be on JS and BD if things go poorly that it means they have authority when we don’t know that at all.
We’ve seen things come out about how the Mara’s impacted DG and he was their longtime pal.
Is it possible JS could like not love a QB in the middle rounds and not take them due to a potential conflict with his boss? It’s intellectually dishonest to not acknowledge this as a possibility given what we know about the Giants. And that’s the bottom line you aren’t going to love a QB in the middle rounds if you loved them you’d have taken them earlier. It’s a flier and we need to take those fliers and you are purely speculating if you are saying you know how JS would act without Mara’s influence. Again it’s you acting like you know things and me saying we don’t know them.
The reality of the business world is that it is a risk mitigation practice. There is more risk in pissing off your boss in year 1 than there is passing on a QB a bunch of people passed on anyway. All I’m advocating for is to not draw conclusions without data and without some personal knowledge of what is going on in JS’s head or his private conversations with Mara you have no idea of passing on the mid round QBs have anything to do with Mara or pure personnel evaluations and are in fact ignoring the data set we have which is Mara and the Giants are more inclined than the rest of the league to lack diversity in their QB assets and this is in line with a prior pattern.
Your side actually ignores data we have on hopes that things have changed. Hope is not sound logic
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We do know what they think of Jones though. They told us that clearly when they didn't pick up his option.
So why is he still here?
When you are convinced there is no chance the quarterback is in place, it really sucks. Going to be a rough season for you
You too, if you care about wins and losses. Some of us do.
You ve already accepted defeat. I don’t roll that way
Hopes and wishes are fun. They often have little to do with reality.
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We do know what they think of Jones though. They told us that clearly when they didn't pick up his option.
So why is he still here?
When you are convinced there is no chance the quarterback is in place, it really sucks. Going to be a rough season for you
You too, if you care about wins and losses. Some of us do.
You ve already accepted defeat. I don’t roll that way
Hopes and wishes are fun. They often have little to do with reality.
Perhaps your reality. I ll enjoy the fun of getting excited for a new season, plenty of time for being unhappy if your reality happens to be the case
Hope you enjoy the misery,
You are acting like just because it will be on JS and BD if things go poorly that it means they have authority when we don’t know that at all.
We’ve seen things come out about how the Mara’s impacted DG and he was their longtime pal.
Is it possible JS could like not love a QB in the middle rounds and not take them due to a potential conflict with his boss? It’s intellectually dishonest to not acknowledge this as a possibility given what we know about the Giants. And that’s the bottom line you aren’t going to love a QB in the middle rounds if you loved them you’d have taken them earlier. It’s a flier and we need to take those fliers and you are purely speculating if you are saying you know how JS would act without Mara’s influence. Again it’s you acting like you know things and me saying we don’t know them.
The reality of the business world is that it is a risk mitigation practice. There is more risk in pissing off your boss in year 1 than there is passing on a QB a bunch of people passed on anyway. All I’m advocating for is to not draw conclusions without data and without some personal knowledge of what is going on in JS’s head or his private conversations with Mara you have no idea of passing on the mid round QBs have anything to do with Mara or pure personnel evaluations and are in fact ignoring the data set we have which is Mara and the Giants are more inclined than the rest of the league to lack diversity in their QB assets and this is in line with a prior pattern.
Your side actually ignores data we have on hopes that things have changed. Hope is not sound logic
Hope didn't sign Tyrod Taylor or decline Jones' option. For a guy who likes to preach data you willfully ignore a lot of it.
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We do know what they think of Jones though. They told us that clearly when they didn't pick up his option.
So why is he still here?
When you are convinced there is no chance the quarterback is in place, it really sucks. Going to be a rough season for you
You too, if you care about wins and losses. Some of us do.
You ve already accepted defeat. I don’t roll that way
Hopes and wishes are fun. They often have little to do with reality.
Perhaps your reality. I ll enjoy the fun of getting excited for a new season, plenty of time for being unhappy if your reality happens to be the case
Hope you enjoy the misery,
Terps can be miserable now, and you'll most likely be miserable by Halloween unless you're insistent upon denial.
It's just a matter of timing. And Terps has been right about this roster far more often than you have, even if you get 3 months of make-believe every year.
Picking up the 5th year option would have been moronic, doing non-moronic things in a slight sign of improvement but isn’t very big at all. Jones has paid horribly you can’t pay him that over $20M.
TT might have looked like a bigger step in the right direction if it was actually an open competition. Jones is frequently injured and most teams acknowledge having a backup even with a good QB is important. Again doing basic intelligent things isn’t a sign of big change.
Now the Mara press conference is a HUGE sign that things haven’t changed. It makes the TT signing less a sign of a change because. And you are undermining your GM and coach in public. It’s a neon sign saying that things are just the way they were because this is not a change from how you’ve ever acted.
I’m not ignoring data you are acting like basic things are signs of change when we’ve seen way bigger signs there isn’t a change. The TT thing is especially insane to bring up given Mara’s comments completely devaluing TT’s contributions. How hard is it going to be to switch to TT when you owner says things in public like that?
Picking up the 5th year option would have been moronic, doing non-moronic things in a slight sign of improvement but isn’t very big at all. Jones has paid horribly you can’t pay him that over $20M.
TT might have looked like a bigger step in the right direction if it was actually an open competition. Jones is frequently injured and most teams acknowledge having a backup even with a good QB is important. Again doing basic intelligent things isn’t a sign of big change.
Now the Mara press conference is a HUGE sign that things haven’t changed. It makes the TT signing less a sign of a change because. And you are undermining your GM and coach in public. It’s a neon sign saying that things are just the way they were because this is not a change from how you’ve ever acted.
I’m not ignoring data you are acting like basic things are signs of change when we’ve seen way bigger signs there isn’t a change. The TT thing is especially insane to bring up given Mara’s comments completely devaluing TT’s contributions. How hard is it going to be to switch to TT when you owner says things in public like that?
as hard as it was to start a rookie over eli manning after 2 weeks despite publicly saying they thought he had multiple years left?
or as hard as it was to fire Judge a couple months after saying they weren't firing him?
or as hard as it was to let schoen hire daboll as head coach when we know they originally wanted to hire him as flores' OC before hiring schoen?
if you think nothing has changed then you think schoen and daboll were the wrong hires. which they may have been. but seems like it might be more prudent to give them 1 or 2 games before deciding.
if they were good hires they aren't passing on a qb they want that they have a chance at. there is no simpler way to say it than that.
(im not saying they are definitely good hires, neither was my first choice but i like what they've done so far)
If the Giants end up with a top 5 pick and the draft prep calendar avails a consensus blue chip QB, it's any easy choice.
The franchise tender is due March Week 1, before all the pre-draft stuff is wrapped. Specifically the in-person visits and the pro days. The franchise tender is ~30M.
These choices get tough on the margins, and that's where the owner's opinion isn't helpful.
Not all of them are as bad at using their judgement around these things as Mara though.
I bet some are valuable voices in the room.
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We do know what they think of Jones though. They told us that clearly when they didn't pick up his option.
So why is he still here?
When you are convinced there is no chance the quarterback is in place, it really sucks. Going to be a rough season for you
You too, if you care about wins and losses. Some of us do.
You ve already accepted defeat. I don’t roll that way
You may not have accepted defeat, but the odds say you aren't especially interested in winning either.
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you are over emphasizing force multipliers which is a relevant part of any forecasting problem.
Picking up the 5th year option would have been moronic, doing non-moronic things in a slight sign of improvement but isn’t very big at all. Jones has paid horribly you can’t pay him that over $20M.
TT might have looked like a bigger step in the right direction if it was actually an open competition. Jones is frequently injured and most teams acknowledge having a backup even with a good QB is important. Again doing basic intelligent things isn’t a sign of big change.
Now the Mara press conference is a HUGE sign that things haven’t changed. It makes the TT signing less a sign of a change because. And you are undermining your GM and coach in public. It’s a neon sign saying that things are just the way they were because this is not a change from how you’ve ever acted.
I’m not ignoring data you are acting like basic things are signs of change when we’ve seen way bigger signs there isn’t a change. The TT thing is especially insane to bring up given Mara’s comments completely devaluing TT’s contributions. How hard is it going to be to switch to TT when you owner says things in public like that?
as hard as it was to start a rookie over eli manning after 2 weeks despite publicly saying they thought he had multiple years left?
or as hard as it was to fire Judge a couple months after saying they weren't firing him?
or as hard as it was to let schoen hire daboll as head coach when we know they originally wanted to hire him as flores' OC before hiring schoen?
if you think nothing has changed then you think schoen and daboll were the wrong hires. which they may have been. but seems like it might be more prudent to give them 1 or 2 games before deciding.
I agree with all this Eric, but it's still hard to not believe Mara is good to make the wrong decision right up until the point he doesn't
he owns every shitty leadership decision post-Coughlin. Reese, McAdoo, Gettleman, Shurmur, Judge. that's plenty of bad decision making to own right there, more than enough to quite literally sink a decade.
i worry about schoen and daboll being the next names in the string of shitty decisions because how could we not? but i've seen nothing from their actions to strip them of their agency in whatever the outcome.
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We do know what they think of Jones though. They told us that clearly when they didn't pick up his option.
So why is he still here?
When you are convinced there is no chance the quarterback is in place, it really sucks. Going to be a rough season for you
You too, if you care about wins and losses. Some of us do.
You ve already accepted defeat. I don’t roll that way
You may not have accepted defeat, but the odds say you aren't especially interested in winning either.
I want the quarterback to play well and that means I m not interested in winning. Lol. That’s just dumb sorry, but it is
Don't play well ---> He doesn't.
'Dilemma' implies a challenging question.
It might be a dilemma if he plays well in 2022. Let's see that happen first.
Jones is a stop gap for 2022 until the next guy is drafted which most likely will be next April.