“He wouldn’t be anything like JPP, he doesn’t remind me of Kiwi, doesn’t remind me of Tuck, doesn’t remind me of Strahan, actually,’’ Umenyiora told The Post from his home in London. “Yeah, you’re right, he’s more like myself.’’
Thibodeaux has that lightning quick release off the LOS that Osi had. Thibodeaux appears to be more physical and stronger than Osi was. IMO Thibodeaux could be a better all around player.
but I think people severely underrate the impact Osi had on this team. Key cog for our 2 super winning teams.
If he has Osi type sack productions with a little more versatility especially in the run game. Then we have a stud.
Osi was crazy underrated, and seemingly unliked by a lot of fans. I never got that. I loved how much he hated the Cowboys and the Eagles. I’ll never forget him trolling Shady McCoy by wishing him a happy Mother’s Day.
Sign up for a similar career to Osi with Kayvon. I wasn't even aware fans were down on him. An entire decade with the team and mostly high production, multiple pro bowls including an All Pro year and a forced fumble machine.
Sign up for a similar career to Osi with Kayvon. I wasn't even aware fans were down on him. An entire decade with the team and mostly high production, multiple pro bowls including an All Pro year and a forced fumble machine.
Some fans have never liked that he wanted big money and wasn't the best in run support. I didn't think people still held that against him.
Sign up for a similar career to Osi with Kayvon. I wasn't even aware fans were down on him. An entire decade with the team and mostly high production, multiple pro bowls including an All Pro year and a forced fumble machine.
Some fans have never liked that he wanted big money and wasn't the best in run support. I didn't think people still held that against him.
In terms of pass rush, that would be great. However, I want a full impact player, who can set the edge, play the run, etc. Personally, I see better than Osi in him. He made a ton of plays at or behind the LOS on the backend of running plays, for example and seems to play the run well at point of attack also.
Kayvon is a strong run defender, especially for his size. However, for all of Osi's warts in run defense he more than made up for that in his pass rush. A blown run assignment puts the opposing team in 2nd and short. A forced fumble on a bindside pressure where you win in less than 2 seconds can single-handedly win you a football game. He had 10 forced fumbles one season.
If it's Osi's career or mystery box for Kayvon, I'm taking Osi's career 10/10 times.
RE: Osi is the single most disrespected Giant of all time
is better versus the run, and better switching from power to speed, much more multiple and higher upside. Watch Thibs video from 2019-2020 ...
Thibs has amazing talent. The thing I liked the most in his introductory press conference was when Leonard was trying to bait him with the tell me about your “brand” crap, and Thibs was like I just got an iPad with the playbook on it. That’s my priority right now.
I don’t recall Osi being able to transfer speed to power the way Thibs showed in college. Those were against mediocre Pac12 OLineman so who knows if he brings that to the pros, but it’s what makes me high on his ceiling since he isn’t as purely reliant on speed around the edge like Osi.
Osi was a very skilled pass rusher though. Him owning Winston Justice for 6 sacks was one thing, but him getting 2 sacks on Walter Jones at a time when Jones may have been playing LT at a higher level than anyone since Munoz is my favorite Osi memory. Or atleast Top 4 with the beating he put on Matt Light in SB42 and the strip sack of Rodgers.
I’ll sign up for Kayvon being Osi good, although I do think he has a higher ceiling due to his potential power game allowing him to be a more versatile style of edge rusher.
is better versus the run, and better switching from power to speed, much more multiple and higher upside. Watch Thibs video from 2019-2020 ...
Thibs has amazing talent. The thing I liked the most in his introductory press conference was when Leonard was trying to bait him with the tell me about your “brand” crap, and Thibs was like I just got an iPad with the playbook on it. That’s my priority right now.
Leonard seems like the kind of guy who's always been an asshole, but now he gets paid to be one (and as they say, if you love what you do, it's not work. So he's got that going for him!)
Osi was a better run defender than most people think
I remember the 2007 Superbowl where the Patriots tried to establish the run by repeatedly going to his side, and he basically shut down those runs and made them one-dimensional. There was beautiful rep where he stood up and then shed a blocking tight end and followed it up by making the tackle. Osi could not help that two of the better run stopping ends played opposite him (Strahan/Tuck).
I think Thibs has little more power to his game than Osi did
“The second pick, Osi Umenyiora, is more of a boom-or-bust, gamble-on-greatness pick. When the Giants’ turn came up, you still had guys like DE Dewayne White, DE Kenny Peterson, DT Rien Long, and DT Nick Eason on the board. I thought the pick would be White or Peterson as I was sure the Giants would go defensive end after going defensive tackle in the first round. Well, they did go defensive end, but the pick was surprising to most “draftniks” except BBI’er Matt in Syracuse, who had been touting Osi for weeks. Umenyiora has the tools. He’s big (6-3, 280lbs), fast, and quick. He was a big-time pass rusher (16 sacks and 43 QB hurries his senior year) at a small school that played against some big schools (Arkansas, Marshall, Mississippi State, Iowa State, and Nebraska were all on the 2002 schedule). But he’s raw and will need a lot of technique work (and perhaps patience). How tough, instinctive, and hard-working the kid is will determine a lot. The safer pick would have been White or Peterson. It will be interesting to compare these three players in three years. To me, this is the pick that will make or break this draft. If Osi develops into an excellent pass rusher and Joseph is what he should be, then the Giants did a great job. If Osi is a bust, then the Giants will have to wait yet another year to find a quality outside pass rusher opposite of the aging Michael Strahan.“
“To me, this is the pick that will make or break this draft. If Osi develops into an excellent pass rusher and Joseph is what he should be, then the Giants did a great job. If Osi is a bust, then the Giants will have to wait yet another year to find a quality outside pass rusher opposite of the aging Michael Strahan.“
Joseph turned out to be the bust.
RE: RE: Osi is the single most disrespected Giant of all time
And just as quick. Otherwise, he's no Strahan or JPP. Next to Reggie White, (before all the injuries), JPP was the best pure defensive end, I've ever seen.
Thibs is the better prospect coming out of the draft. I am hoping for a Hall of Famer from Thibs. Nothing against Osi, he was a very good player and I loved watching him but he wasnt great. Again its not a knock on Osi at all but when you take a guy at 5 the expectations are higher. if he just becomes an Osi its still a good pick.
ability to turn sacks into turnovers was unmatched. It really was a game changer. He is def up there in not the most underrated/disrespected big time Giants player.
is better versus the run, and better switching from power to speed, much more multiple and higher upside. Watch Thibs video from 2019-2020 ...
I actually agree with this. Have to remember, people are comparing likely their best memories of Osi as a pro, to a college junior..which is incredible to even say. KT is so consistently bursty though, you see it not here or there..but over and over…shades of Mack.
Could do a lot...oh wait never mind...
If he has Osi type sack productions with a little more versatility especially in the run game. Then we have a stud.
If he has Osi type sack productions with a little more versatility especially in the run game. Then we have a stud.
Osi was crazy underrated, and seemingly unliked by a lot of fans. I never got that. I loved how much he hated the Cowboys and the Eagles. I’ll never forget him trolling Shady McCoy by wishing him a happy Mother’s Day.
If he has Osi type sack productions with a little more versatility especially in the run game. Then we have a stud.
Exactly
Some fans have never liked that he wanted big money and wasn't the best in run support. I didn't think people still held that against him.
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Sign up for a similar career to Osi with Kayvon. I wasn't even aware fans were down on him. An entire decade with the team and mostly high production, multiple pro bowls including an All Pro year and a forced fumble machine.
Some fans have never liked that he wanted big money and wasn't the best in run support. I didn't think people still held that against him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-b_K1ZOAvA&ab_channel=NewYorkGiants - ( New Window )
If it's Osi's career or mystery box for Kayvon, I'm taking Osi's career 10/10 times.
Tiki Barber says hi.
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Tiki Barber says hi.
Tiki did that to himself though when he basically threw Eli under the bus.
Thibs has amazing talent. The thing I liked the most in his introductory press conference was when Leonard was trying to bait him with the tell me about your “brand” crap, and Thibs was like I just got an iPad with the playbook on it. That’s my priority right now.
And also having the similar attitude in terms of dialing it down every now and then like Osi had in games and versus run.
Osi was a very skilled pass rusher though. Him owning Winston Justice for 6 sacks was one thing, but him getting 2 sacks on Walter Jones at a time when Jones may have been playing LT at a higher level than anyone since Munoz is my favorite Osi memory. Or atleast Top 4 with the beating he put on Matt Light in SB42 and the strip sack of Rodgers.
I’ll sign up for Kayvon being Osi good, although I do think he has a higher ceiling due to his potential power game allowing him to be a more versatile style of edge rusher.
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is better versus the run, and better switching from power to speed, much more multiple and higher upside. Watch Thibs video from 2019-2020 ...
Thibs has amazing talent. The thing I liked the most in his introductory press conference was when Leonard was trying to bait him with the tell me about your “brand” crap, and Thibs was like I just got an iPad with the playbook on it. That’s my priority right now.
Leonard seems like the kind of guy who's always been an asshole, but now he gets paid to be one (and as they say, if you love what you do, it's not work. So he's got that going for him!)
Osi was also better against the run than he is given credit for.
Sy off topic (you may not even see this), but can you give us the skinny on your impressions of Eli coming out of college? Thanks
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Sy off topic (you may not even see this), but can you give us the skinny on your impressions of Eli coming out of college? Thanks
To be honest that was before my time. I was a senior in high school when he got drafted
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Tiki Barber says hi.
Reuben Randle says hi. (I kid, I kid)
And just as quick. Otherwise, he's no Strahan or JPP. Next to Reggie White, (before all the injuries), JPP was the best pure defensive end, I've ever seen.
I actually agree with this. Have to remember, people are comparing likely their best memories of Osi as a pro, to a college junior..which is incredible to even say. KT is so consistently bursty though, you see it not here or there..but over and over…shades of Mack.