concerns about this unit again? Does the DB unit become Shoen's saga? We totally ignored it knowing we would have to release our CB1.
Wut? Your comment is replete with errors. Back to major concerns? They never left, given the JB contract black hole.
JS 'totally ignored' CBs knowing he'd have to release CB1? He said he had deals in place: JB camp would not budge on contract demands, per most info.
Per Asshat rico, Giants wanted Sauce at #5 and McCreary in 3rd or 4th? JS drafted a lesser know CB at 3b (I think).
Follow the team much?
RE: I just never understood the people that wanted to add void years
Every other team in the NFL knew that if the Giants didn't trade Bradberry they would have to release him. And Bradberry's team didn't seem particularly interested in helping come to new contract terms as part of a trade.
I'm glad Schoen took his medicine and didn't kick the can down the road.
RE: Watch him go to Philly or Washington and become a pro-bowler again
Best option, exponentially better than investing more money in an older player who is a bad fit.
The Giants dodged the next version of Logan Ryan.
Good luck on the Raiders or Commanders, James. I like him, in the right system he can be a productive player.
His play wasnt a bad fit, his contract was
Bradberry surrendered the most touch downs and third most yards of any defender in the NFL last year. And particularly struggled in man coverage.
Seems opposite of Martendale is aiming for, unless of course being terrible is the goal. Who knows, right?
And Bradberry was a pro bowler the year before that. And they were playing a ton of off coverage last season, and they lost Martinez so they couldnt stop the run
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GM Joe Schoen tried for months to trade Bradberry. Had a couple of deals worked out - contingent on the new team redoing Bradberry's contract. That could not be worked out, thus no deal. And Giants lose their best cornerback for nothing in return.
Nothing in return. Bad contract, no pick, no compensatory pick, and now a hole in the secondary to plug just to sign our draft picks.
The Dave Gettleman stench will continue on for some time.
AND pay Bradbury $13 Million. Schoen made every effort to get some thing back but there were no takers. It will be interesting to see how much Bradbury signs for.
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GM Joe Schoen tried for months to trade Bradberry. Had a couple of deals worked out - contingent on the new team redoing Bradberry's contract. That could not be worked out, thus no deal. And Giants lose their best cornerback for nothing in return.
Nothing in return. Bad contract, no pick, no compensatory pick, and now a hole in the secondary to plug just to sign our draft picks.
The Dave Gettleman stench will continue on for some time.
Yep, this is how the collateral damage continues to hang around.
Wink expects his CBs to come up in run support and tackle, not a strong suit of JB. Not so concerned about the fit questions, it's a financial decision.
Seemed slower to me last year and not a great fit at his cost in this system. Wink will get more eyes on the players in the coming weeks to see if they need to add a cheaper vet at some point.
I don't have anything against Bradberry. His release is a direct result of the incompetent way this roster was assembled pre-Schoen.
This is Schoen cleaning up someone else's mess, and he has to make the 2022 team worse on the field to do it.
Im not sure im understanding here (and this is not directed at you)...are people under the impression, Bradberry or no Bradberry, that the Giants are going to have a competitive team this year? The overriding sentiment ive seen has been that we continue to have one of the worst rosters in the NFL, and thats with or without Bradberry. If this is true, then what are we melting down about losing Bradberry for? Again, if the roster thing is true, well, heres the news...yeah, there are gonna be a LOT of open WR's. Just like last year. And the year before that. And ....you get the picture.
first that we couldn't afford to keep him and I think he would have been great in Winks Def. Second we couldn't trade for draft pick. Third Bradberry released so late hurts him. Sucks all around.
RE: RE: RE: I just never understood the people that wanted to add void years
Why hurt years where we hopefully will be competing to just worry about this year (when we aren't a playoff team).
we'll see about that.
I mean lets be realistic for a second. Maybe they can surprise...but that is not what next year is about.
Why? I'm sorry if I can't sit here and celebrate a move that will likely lead to 2-3 losses in and of itself. I am a paying customer. This team has 4 fucking long term contracts. Williams, MArtinez, Golladay and Jackson. Somehow we need to free up even more room. Ok.
I have to accept it. I have to live with it. But I don't have to fucking like it and I sure as hell don't have to correlate this move with future success. Been there. Done that.
I guess I look for moral victories in 2022? Was told that's the loser's lament, right here.
Whatever. There is NO pressure on anyone right now except Daniel Jones. Everyone else at MAra Tech has a free ride to a sure fire top 5 pick in the 2023 draft.
Given the state of the roster an amazingly good season will be to win 8 games. The team isn't good enough to justify keeping Bradberry and extending him, which would and should be purely on Braberry's terms.
He's a good football player who is going to be missed, even in a down year for him. Sucks but it is what it is.
Schoen misplayed this early by not taking a late round pick and holding out for something better. And misjudging the leverage Team Bradberry had.
Regardless, the inevitable has occurred.
It would be smart now to find a buyer/partner for Barkley to open up another $8M in cap space for the chance to buy some cheap cuts as teams start to make tough roster choices.
without looking at the books, but it's easy to cut everyone when the owner is scared shitless of losing anymore and likely welcomes a no pressure type season in 2022. Must be nice.
No pressure...until everyone is on notice in 2023. Might as well hibernate.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I just never understood the people that wanted to add void years
Why hurt years where we hopefully will be competing to just worry about this year (when we aren't a playoff team).
we'll see about that.
I mean lets be realistic for a second. Maybe they can surprise...but that is not what next year is about.
Why? I'm sorry if I can't sit here and celebrate a move that will likely lead to 2-3 losses in and of itself. I am a paying customer. This team has 4 fucking long term contracts. Williams, MArtinez, Golladay and Jackson. Somehow we need to free up even more room. Ok.
I have to accept it. I have to live with it. But I don't have to fucking like it and I sure as hell don't have to correlate this move with future success. Been there. Done that.
I guess I look for moral victories in 2022? Was told that's the loser's lament, right here.
Whatever. There is NO pressure on anyone right now except Daniel Jones. Everyone else at MAra Tech has a free ride to a sure fire top 5 pick in the 2023 draft.
No pressure. No one has to win. Sounds fun.
It has to be before it gets better. Sucks, but there is no other way to REBUILD the team. No more Re-tooling half-measures.
It's been bad for so long. What's one more season with a new regime to bring hope?
I don't have anything against Bradberry. His release is a direct result of the incompetent way this roster was assembled pre-Schoen.
This is Schoen cleaning up someone else's mess, and he has to make the 2022 team worse on the field to do it.
I agree with you (dear god how can that be- lol) and honestly have no attachment to Bradberry or almost anyone currently on the roster. We have been inept for the last 5 years, now is the time to make some changes and people need to go.
Why hurt years where we hopefully will be competing to just worry about this year (when we aren't a playoff team).
we'll see about that.
I mean lets be realistic for a second. Maybe they can surprise...but that is not what next year is about.
Why? I'm sorry if I can't sit here and celebrate a move that will likely lead to 2-3 losses in and of itself. I am a paying customer. This team has 4 fucking long term contracts. Williams, MArtinez, Golladay and Jackson. Somehow we need to free up even more room. Ok.
I have to accept it. I have to live with it. But I don't have to fucking like it and I sure as hell don't have to correlate this move with future success. Been there. Done that.
I guess I look for moral victories in 2022? Was told that's the loser's lament, right here.
Whatever. There is NO pressure on anyone right now except Daniel Jones. Everyone else at MAra Tech has a free ride to a sure fire top 5 pick in the 2023 draft.
No pressure. No one has to win. Sounds fun.
I get your anger. We are in this position because Gettleman took a blowtorch to the franchise for 4 seasons. It's just not fixable in 6 months.
no one has to like it. But I can't shake this feeling that Mara couldn't wait to take the cheap and easy way out and just allow Schoen to go scorched earth because why not? What does anyone have to lose if you basically sell the NYG fan base the bill of goods that "sorry guys but we had no money, it was all DG's fault, just hang in there for ONE MORE year while we purge the books for the 2nd time in 5 years and yea, sorry, but we're gonna suck balls in 2022 yet again and truly and seriously, we had no choice, those damn cap numbers"
Sorry...I am here to call bullshit. another fucking no show season because wahhhh DG spent all our money...
without looking at the books, but it's easy to cut everyone when the owner is scared shitless of losing anymore and likely welcomes a no pressure type season in 2022. Must be nice.
No pressure...until everyone is on notice in 2023. Might as well hibernate.
I wish Schoen had cut or traded a lot more people than he did. There's no baby in the bathwater he inherited.
Why hurt years where we hopefully will be competing to just worry about this year (when we aren't a playoff team).
we'll see about that.
I mean lets be realistic for a second. Maybe they can surprise...but that is not what next year is about.
Why? I'm sorry if I can't sit here and celebrate a move that will likely lead to 2-3 losses in and of itself. I am a paying customer. This team has 4 fucking long term contracts. Williams, MArtinez, Golladay and Jackson. Somehow we need to free up even more room. Ok.
I have to accept it. I have to live with it. But I don't have to fucking like it and I sure as hell don't have to correlate this move with future success. Been there. Done that.
I guess I look for moral victories in 2022? Was told that's the loser's lament, right here.
Whatever. There is NO pressure on anyone right now except Daniel Jones. Everyone else at MAra Tech has a free ride to a sure fire top 5 pick in the 2023 draft.
No pressure. No one has to win. Sounds fun.
What is the moaning and groaning about...the cap has to be met and this release is how to do it.
Unless of course you want to keep restructuring other contracts and punt the pain some more into future? Do you have another idea how to make this work?
I was hoping that he could stick around, as I felt his presence would be helpful to Wink’s defense, although it is unclear if Wink wanted him as his CB1. Let’s hope Robinson fills in nicely. We can only hope, or we will be looking for another CB1.
no one has to like it. But I can't shake this feeling that Mara couldn't wait to take the cheap and easy way out and just allow Schoen to go scorched earth because why not? What does anyone have to lose if you basically sell the NYG fan base the bill of goods that "sorry guys but we had no money, it was all DG's fault, just hang in there for ONE MORE year while we purge the books for the 2nd time in 5 years and yea, sorry, but we're gonna suck balls in 2022 yet again and truly and seriously, we had no choice, those damn cap numbers"
Sorry...I am here to call bullshit. another fucking no show season because wahhhh DG spent all our money...
FOUR long term contracts. FOUR.
Not sure where you are coming from with this. He adn his contract had to go. I have ZERO attachment to players on a team that won 10 games over his two years here.. 10..
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I just never understood the people that wanted to add void years
Why hurt years where we hopefully will be competing to just worry about this year (when we aren't a playoff team).
we'll see about that.
I mean lets be realistic for a second. Maybe they can surprise...but that is not what next year is about.
Why? I'm sorry if I can't sit here and celebrate a move that will likely lead to 2-3 losses in and of itself. I am a paying customer. This team has 4 fucking long term contracts. Williams, MArtinez, Golladay and Jackson. Somehow we need to free up even more room. Ok.
I have to accept it. I have to live with it. But I don't have to fucking like it and I sure as hell don't have to correlate this move with future success. Been there. Done that.
I guess I look for moral victories in 2022? Was told that's the loser's lament, right here.
Whatever. There is NO pressure on anyone right now except Daniel Jones. Everyone else at MAra Tech has a free ride to a sure fire top 5 pick in the 2023 draft.
No pressure. No one has to win. Sounds fun.
What is the moaning and groaning about...the cap has to be met and this release is how to do it.
Unless of course you want to keep restructuring other contracts and punt the pain some more into future? Do you have another idea how to make this work?
I'm fucking exhausted with this reasons why. The excuses. The money. Fucking save it.
When my team sucks balls for 10 years I don't wanna here it's the money. Lie to me.
Schoen misplayed this early by not taking a late round pick and holding out for something better. And misjudging the leverage Team Bradberry had.
I don't really fault him that much, maybe it's the honeymoon period. I think most speculated that Bradberry would have a stronger market and it's becoming apparent that players are a little bit better at understanding their leverage than they have in the past.
I think his two big mistakes were advertising the Giants plan to slash 40m dollars from the cap and not taking into account how Bradberry would play it. He probably didn't understand how ready the fan base was for a true rebuild and didn't need to set those expectations with them by advertising that strategy. He also probably should have gotten an idea on if and what Bradberry was looking for in an extension to see if teams were in the ballpark.
no one has to like it. But I can't shake this feeling that Mara couldn't wait to take the cheap and easy way out and just allow Schoen to go scorched earth because why not? What does anyone have to lose if you basically sell the NYG fan base the bill of goods that "sorry guys but we had no money, it was all DG's fault, just hang in there for ONE MORE year while we purge the books for the 2nd time in 5 years and yea, sorry, but we're gonna suck balls in 2022 yet again and truly and seriously, we had no choice, those damn cap numbers"
Sorry...I am here to call bullshit. another fucking no show season because wahhhh DG spent all our money...
FOUR long term contracts. FOUR.
It's not that he spent all the money, he mis-spent it.
The cost of mistake contracts is you F yourself into situations where you may have to cut guys you don't want to to cut because you blew it with Solder and Golladay and other dead money.
I can see the argument for wanting to keep Bradberry, but he also has to want to re-work his deal and he didn't.
Which ironically is why he's cut. The mistake they made in the deal was the 3 year structure really.
They restructured this deal twice I think in 2021 to help pay for other awful decisions.
Yup, that's ultimately why he was cut. I think if they gave him a 4 year deal at the outset instead of 3, Schoen would have been more able to move him too.
no one has to like it. But I can't shake this feeling that Mara couldn't wait to take the cheap and easy way out and just allow Schoen to go scorched earth because why not? What does anyone have to lose if you basically sell the NYG fan base the bill of goods that "sorry guys but we had no money, it was all DG's fault, just hang in there for ONE MORE year while we purge the books for the 2nd time in 5 years and yea, sorry, but we're gonna suck balls in 2022 yet again and truly and seriously, we had no choice, those damn cap numbers"
Sorry...I am here to call bullshit. another fucking no show season because wahhhh DG spent all our money...
FOUR long term contracts. FOUR.
Not sure where you are coming from with this. He adn his contract had to go. I have ZERO attachment to players on a team that won 10 games over his two years here.. 10..
Maybe he owns a lot of current players's jerseys?...
AND pay Bradbury $13 Million. Schoen made every effort to get some thing back but there were no takers. It will be interesting to see how much Bradbury signs for.
Yeah - I never quite understood why people thought it wouldn't be hard for Schoen to trade him.
Wut? Your comment is replete with errors. Back to major concerns? They never left, given the JB contract black hole.
JS 'totally ignored' CBs knowing he'd have to release CB1? He said he had deals in place: JB camp would not budge on contract demands, per most info.
Per Asshat rico, Giants wanted Sauce at #5 and McCreary in 3rd or 4th? JS drafted a lesser know CB at 3b (I think).
Follow the team much?
Why hurt years where we hopefully will be competing to just worry about this year (when we aren't a playoff team).
we'll see about that.
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Best option, exponentially better than investing more money in an older player who is a bad fit.
The Giants dodged the next version of Logan Ryan.
Good luck on the Raiders or Commanders, James. I like him, in the right system he can be a productive player.
His play wasnt a bad fit, his contract was
Bradberry surrendered the most touch downs and third most yards of any defender in the NFL last year. And particularly struggled in man coverage.
Seems opposite of Martendale is aiming for, unless of course being terrible is the goal. Who knows, right?
On a team with a bottom 3 pass rush.
These things are connected and people continue to talk on defensive backs as if it's not part of the conversation.
This is Schoen cleaning up someone else's mess, and he has to make the 2022 team worse on the field to do it.
Didn't play particularly well last year
They just restructured him
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Why hurt years where we hopefully will be competing to just worry about this year (when we aren't a playoff team).
we'll see about that.
I mean lets be realistic for a second. Maybe they can surprise...but that is not what next year is about.
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And if he goes to Philly?
Then fuck him.
He's dead to me.
When I said anywhere...I meant anywhere but Philly :)
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The #Giants should be at around $16.3M in cap space after this. Need around $12.8M to sign rookie class.
Will need more space for in-season moves/practice squad and to fill out the depth chart.
Likely aren’t done clearing space, tho this is probably the last major subtraction.
I'm glad Schoen took his medicine and didn't kick the can down the road.
He made the Pro Bowl once in six seasons.
I'd wager he never does again.
And he doesn't play special teams either.
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Best option, exponentially better than investing more money in an older player who is a bad fit.
The Giants dodged the next version of Logan Ryan.
Good luck on the Raiders or Commanders, James. I like him, in the right system he can be a productive player.
His play wasnt a bad fit, his contract was
Bradberry surrendered the most touch downs and third most yards of any defender in the NFL last year. And particularly struggled in man coverage.
Seems opposite of Martendale is aiming for, unless of course being terrible is the goal. Who knows, right?
And Bradberry was a pro bowler the year before that. And they were playing a ton of off coverage last season, and they lost Martinez so they couldnt stop the run
Bradberry fit, the contract didnt
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GM Joe Schoen tried for months to trade Bradberry. Had a couple of deals worked out - contingent on the new team redoing Bradberry's contract. That could not be worked out, thus no deal. And Giants lose their best cornerback for nothing in return.
Nothing in return. Bad contract, no pick, no compensatory pick, and now a hole in the secondary to plug just to sign our draft picks.
The Dave Gettleman stench will continue on for some time.
Seems opposite of Martendale is aiming for, unless of course being terrible is the goal. Who knows, right?
On a team with a bottom 3 pass rush.
These things are connected and people continue to talk on defensive backs as if it's not part of the conversation.
Oh I agree, these things are inextricably connected.
Bradberry excelled in what a lot fans bemoaned was soft zone, on a Giants team that had a top 10 pass rush, in 2020.
The Giants pass rush will be a work-in-progress, and the new DC has a very different philosophy on pass coverage.
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GM Joe Schoen tried for months to trade Bradberry. Had a couple of deals worked out - contingent on the new team redoing Bradberry's contract. That could not be worked out, thus no deal. And Giants lose their best cornerback for nothing in return.
Nothing in return. Bad contract, no pick, no compensatory pick, and now a hole in the secondary to plug just to sign our draft picks.
The Dave Gettleman stench will continue on for some time.
Yep, this is how the collateral damage continues to hang around.
Wink expects his CBs to come up in run support and tackle, not a strong suit of JB. Not so concerned about the fit questions, it's a financial decision.
This is Schoen cleaning up someone else's mess, and he has to make the 2022 team worse on the field to do it.
Im not sure im understanding here (and this is not directed at you)...are people under the impression, Bradberry or no Bradberry, that the Giants are going to have a competitive team this year? The overriding sentiment ive seen has been that we continue to have one of the worst rosters in the NFL, and thats with or without Bradberry. If this is true, then what are we melting down about losing Bradberry for? Again, if the roster thing is true, well, heres the news...yeah, there are gonna be a LOT of open WR's. Just like last year. And the year before that. And ....you get the picture.
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this was the only scenario if there was no trade.
Why hurt years where we hopefully will be competing to just worry about this year (when we aren't a playoff team).
we'll see about that.
I mean lets be realistic for a second. Maybe they can surprise...but that is not what next year is about.
Why? I'm sorry if I can't sit here and celebrate a move that will likely lead to 2-3 losses in and of itself. I am a paying customer. This team has 4 fucking long term contracts. Williams, MArtinez, Golladay and Jackson. Somehow we need to free up even more room. Ok.
I have to accept it. I have to live with it. But I don't have to fucking like it and I sure as hell don't have to correlate this move with future success. Been there. Done that.
I guess I look for moral victories in 2022? Was told that's the loser's lament, right here.
Whatever. There is NO pressure on anyone right now except Daniel Jones. Everyone else at MAra Tech has a free ride to a sure fire top 5 pick in the 2023 draft.
No pressure. No one has to win. Sounds fun.
He's a good football player who is going to be missed, even in a down year for him. Sucks but it is what it is.
Regardless, the inevitable has occurred.
It would be smart now to find a buyer/partner for Barkley to open up another $8M in cap space for the chance to buy some cheap cuts as teams start to make tough roster choices.
No pressure...until everyone is on notice in 2023. Might as well hibernate.
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this was the only scenario if there was no trade.
Why hurt years where we hopefully will be competing to just worry about this year (when we aren't a playoff team).
we'll see about that.
I mean lets be realistic for a second. Maybe they can surprise...but that is not what next year is about.
Why? I'm sorry if I can't sit here and celebrate a move that will likely lead to 2-3 losses in and of itself. I am a paying customer. This team has 4 fucking long term contracts. Williams, MArtinez, Golladay and Jackson. Somehow we need to free up even more room. Ok.
I have to accept it. I have to live with it. But I don't have to fucking like it and I sure as hell don't have to correlate this move with future success. Been there. Done that.
I guess I look for moral victories in 2022? Was told that's the loser's lament, right here.
Whatever. There is NO pressure on anyone right now except Daniel Jones. Everyone else at MAra Tech has a free ride to a sure fire top 5 pick in the 2023 draft.
No pressure. No one has to win. Sounds fun.
It has to be before it gets better. Sucks, but there is no other way to REBUILD the team. No more Re-tooling half-measures.
It's been bad for so long. What's one more season with a new regime to bring hope?
This is Schoen cleaning up someone else's mess, and he has to make the 2022 team worse on the field to do it.
I agree with you (dear god how can that be- lol) and honestly have no attachment to Bradberry or almost anyone currently on the roster. We have been inept for the last 5 years, now is the time to make some changes and people need to go.
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this was the only scenario if there was no trade.
Why hurt years where we hopefully will be competing to just worry about this year (when we aren't a playoff team).
we'll see about that.
I mean lets be realistic for a second. Maybe they can surprise...but that is not what next year is about.
Why? I'm sorry if I can't sit here and celebrate a move that will likely lead to 2-3 losses in and of itself. I am a paying customer. This team has 4 fucking long term contracts. Williams, MArtinez, Golladay and Jackson. Somehow we need to free up even more room. Ok.
I have to accept it. I have to live with it. But I don't have to fucking like it and I sure as hell don't have to correlate this move with future success. Been there. Done that.
I guess I look for moral victories in 2022? Was told that's the loser's lament, right here.
Whatever. There is NO pressure on anyone right now except Daniel Jones. Everyone else at MAra Tech has a free ride to a sure fire top 5 pick in the 2023 draft.
No pressure. No one has to win. Sounds fun.
I get your anger. We are in this position because Gettleman took a blowtorch to the franchise for 4 seasons. It's just not fixable in 6 months.
Sorry...I am here to call bullshit. another fucking no show season because wahhhh DG spent all our money...
FOUR long term contracts. FOUR.
No pressure...until everyone is on notice in 2023. Might as well hibernate.
I wish Schoen had cut or traded a lot more people than he did. There's no baby in the bathwater he inherited.
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this was the only scenario if there was no trade.
Why hurt years where we hopefully will be competing to just worry about this year (when we aren't a playoff team).
we'll see about that.
I mean lets be realistic for a second. Maybe they can surprise...but that is not what next year is about.
Why? I'm sorry if I can't sit here and celebrate a move that will likely lead to 2-3 losses in and of itself. I am a paying customer. This team has 4 fucking long term contracts. Williams, MArtinez, Golladay and Jackson. Somehow we need to free up even more room. Ok.
I have to accept it. I have to live with it. But I don't have to fucking like it and I sure as hell don't have to correlate this move with future success. Been there. Done that.
I guess I look for moral victories in 2022? Was told that's the loser's lament, right here.
Whatever. There is NO pressure on anyone right now except Daniel Jones. Everyone else at MAra Tech has a free ride to a sure fire top 5 pick in the 2023 draft.
No pressure. No one has to win. Sounds fun.
What is the moaning and groaning about...the cap has to be met and this release is how to do it.
Unless of course you want to keep restructuring other contracts and punt the pain some more into future? Do you have another idea how to make this work?
They restructured this deal twice I think in 2021 to help pay for other awful decisions.
We seem to raise these questions every year,and the results have been pretty one sided.
Sorry...I am here to call bullshit. another fucking no show season because wahhhh DG spent all our money...
FOUR long term contracts. FOUR.
Not sure where you are coming from with this. He adn his contract had to go. I have ZERO attachment to players on a team that won 10 games over his two years here.. 10..
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this was the only scenario if there was no trade.
Why hurt years where we hopefully will be competing to just worry about this year (when we aren't a playoff team).
we'll see about that.
I mean lets be realistic for a second. Maybe they can surprise...but that is not what next year is about.
Why? I'm sorry if I can't sit here and celebrate a move that will likely lead to 2-3 losses in and of itself. I am a paying customer. This team has 4 fucking long term contracts. Williams, MArtinez, Golladay and Jackson. Somehow we need to free up even more room. Ok.
I have to accept it. I have to live with it. But I don't have to fucking like it and I sure as hell don't have to correlate this move with future success. Been there. Done that.
I guess I look for moral victories in 2022? Was told that's the loser's lament, right here.
Whatever. There is NO pressure on anyone right now except Daniel Jones. Everyone else at MAra Tech has a free ride to a sure fire top 5 pick in the 2023 draft.
No pressure. No one has to win. Sounds fun.
What is the moaning and groaning about...the cap has to be met and this release is how to do it.
Unless of course you want to keep restructuring other contracts and punt the pain some more into future? Do you have another idea how to make this work?
I'm fucking exhausted with this reasons why. The excuses. The money. Fucking save it.
When my team sucks balls for 10 years I don't wanna here it's the money. Lie to me.
I don't really fault him that much, maybe it's the honeymoon period. I think most speculated that Bradberry would have a stronger market and it's becoming apparent that players are a little bit better at understanding their leverage than they have in the past.
I think his two big mistakes were advertising the Giants plan to slash 40m dollars from the cap and not taking into account how Bradberry would play it. He probably didn't understand how ready the fan base was for a true rebuild and didn't need to set those expectations with them by advertising that strategy. He also probably should have gotten an idea on if and what Bradberry was looking for in an extension to see if teams were in the ballpark.
Sorry...I am here to call bullshit. another fucking no show season because wahhhh DG spent all our money...
FOUR long term contracts. FOUR.
It's not that he spent all the money, he mis-spent it.
The cost of mistake contracts is you F yourself into situations where you may have to cut guys you don't want to to cut because you blew it with Solder and Golladay and other dead money.
I can see the argument for wanting to keep Bradberry, but he also has to want to re-work his deal and he didn't.
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Which ironically is why he's cut. The mistake they made in the deal was the 3 year structure really.
They restructured this deal twice I think in 2021 to help pay for other awful decisions.
Yup, that's ultimately why he was cut. I think if they gave him a 4 year deal at the outset instead of 3, Schoen would have been more able to move him too.
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no one has to like it. But I can't shake this feeling that Mara couldn't wait to take the cheap and easy way out and just allow Schoen to go scorched earth because why not? What does anyone have to lose if you basically sell the NYG fan base the bill of goods that "sorry guys but we had no money, it was all DG's fault, just hang in there for ONE MORE year while we purge the books for the 2nd time in 5 years and yea, sorry, but we're gonna suck balls in 2022 yet again and truly and seriously, we had no choice, those damn cap numbers"
Sorry...I am here to call bullshit. another fucking no show season because wahhhh DG spent all our money...
FOUR long term contracts. FOUR.
Not sure where you are coming from with this. He adn his contract had to go. I have ZERO attachment to players on a team that won 10 games over his two years here.. 10..
Maybe he owns a lot of current players's jerseys?...
Yeah - I never quite understood why people thought it wouldn't be hard for Schoen to trade him.
Fucking amazing.