could have found a way to stay if he really wanted to be in NY. He clearly didn't want to be here. Can't really blame him for wanting to go somewhere with a better chance of winning, or just wanting to make his money.
Bradberry wants to get paid. It's really simple.
Houston tried to trade for him but couldn't get him to agree to an extension.
He wants to play a 1 year deal this year and hit UFA next year.
He's not in the team's longterm plans and Bradberry could see that when the new regime began shopping him. The dye was cast, even if they wanted to, and I don't think they did, it was probably off the table at that point. I imagine the delay in his release since the draft was the team exploring creative options to keep Bradberry on a 1 year deal without an extension but that never materialized.
could have found a way to stay if he really wanted to be in NY. He clearly didn't want to be here. Can't really blame him for wanting to go somewhere with a better chance of winning, or just wanting to make his money.
Bradberry wants to get paid. It's really simple.
Houston tried to trade for him but couldn't get him to agree to an extension.
He wants to play a 1 year deal this year and hit UFA next year.
Been watching the NFL and the salary cap nonsense since it came to be. I get it just fine.
The Giants chose to suck more now rather than pay more later. I don't have to agree with that.
If Schoen is as good as 90% of this board thinks, we will be just fine in 2023. Pray that's the case.
Hmm, you continue to argue one point while pushing a separate point as your reasoning.
Bradberry is a solid CB- nothing more. He wasn't worth the money on a rebuilding team and would have been gone in the near future regardless.
Not sure why you seem to think the team screwed up here. In fact, many would say the screw up was extending, redoing etc. his contract already. But, whatever. Minus the draft class this year, I don't worry about any player on this team yet as they have all been part of suck central for years.
could have found a way to stay if he really wanted to be in NY. He clearly didn't want to be here. Can't really blame him for wanting to go somewhere with a better chance of winning, or just wanting to make his money.
Bradberry wants to get paid. It's really simple.
Houston tried to trade for him but couldn't get him to agree to an extension.
He wants to play a 1 year deal this year and hit UFA next year.
Isn't he an UFA right now?
He is, but most teams have already spent their FA money. If he signs a one year deal, with the rising cap next year he’ll likely get much more.
Maybe a silver lining to this trade not going through
Speculative- but if the giants traded Houston Bradberry maybe they dont take Stingley at 3. Houston was the "wild card team" with their pick, and maybe if they had Bradberry, Stingley becomes less of a pressing need and Kayvon doesn't fall to 5 to the Giants. possible silver lining.
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means a number of contracts stick for another year before they can be removed, more changes coming for certain. This is why drafting is so vital, and drafting for need is something to be careful with until you have a roster that can actually win football games.
correct Golladay and Leonard Williams will be on the chopping block next year. Along with Barkley and Jones (even though they are technically expiring contracts).
The team could loook totally different in another year as Schoen continues to overhaul the worst roster in the NFL.
Yep. I would really like to retain Leo but the associated contract cost now is just ridiculous and only going to get worse. To me, spending big open market dollars on a 3-4 DE goes against some of the build cost principles of a 3-4 in the first place. But, get off my lawn, I guess is where this goes. Interested to see if they keep Leo around, but the rest are likely goners.
He's simply overpaid. Many of you need to come to grips that many NY Giant players aren't worth it and Leonard Williams certainly is not. It's not good enough to be one of the best players on the team if it still means you are overpaid and at a position that doesn't justify it either. Foolish spending for a 4 win team.
I'm not of the "you", lol, I railed against giving Leo more than $15M per at the time and still dislike the contract. I'm also one of the biggest shouters of reality here wrt to the stink of this product. My football fan side still appreciates the player and would prefer to keep him around, but I've acknowledged often it's probably not going to happen, given the new regime and a likely different allocation structure. All good.
Yes but can't have it both ways. Negotiations clearly had reached levels beyond LW's worth and not sure you were suggesting walking away, only a few folks were. Though if that was your view then all good on this one.
I advocated walking away once they had clearly surpassed any reasonable figure in the $15-16M per range as I recall. Reasons being I wouldn't overvalue a 3-4 DE (at least anymore than I had at 15-16M per), and I also held firm the team wasn't going anywhere in 2021, let alone contending.
That's one basic tenet I hope is gone from NYG, the colossal failures of self-scouting and being honest with themselves as to the state of the roster. They will win again when it's built correctly.
RE: Watch him go to Philly or Washington and become a pro-bowler again
who the fuck in their right mind signs off on last offseason when this scorched earth follow up was looming?
Fucking amazing.
They deluded themselves into believing they were a few players away from being a playoff contender.
It amazes me though that posters here are still defending some of Dave's moves when virtually every move he made was a disaster of one-line narratives.
Bradberry had ZERO guaranteed money left on his contract this year. So releasing him saves the Mara's over 11.4M real money dollars. Now that he's a free agent the team that signs him won't have to pay anything that was on his Giants contract. That's probably the biggest reason they couldn't trade him.
The Giants cap issues are paper money not real money. At quick glance the Giants owe their full current roster about 80M in guaranteed real dollars for 2022. Of course they'll have to pay the players on the roster who don't have guaranteed money for 2022. But it would be difficult to screw up the NFL salary cap more than Gettleman and Abrams did.
No guaranteed money for this year?
Have you considered trying to get a post correct one of these times?
Oh, and it's widely assumed that JB had offset language in his contract.
You might set a record for things you get wrong in one post.
thread is exhibit A at how Giants fans still have not come to grips with "we're rebuilding all over again."
When you start over, you start over.
no one also seems to want to come to grips with the fact that Schoen's cash strapped team pissed away 2 million on a roster bonus to keep him around for another month or so while he tried and failed to do something, anything with him. This is a fail anyway you cut it. Schoen's first real fuck up.
that Bradberry was overpaid. I think he was performing to the contract. the structure of the contract was not good but we are cutting a good player who was getting paid a fair value based on his position and other contracts.
It was simply a numbers game with his contract being one of the few left that could get us the cap space needed.
Schoen overplayed his hand and lost. Bradberry should have been released before his guarantee. But he took the gamble and lost.
LW was the only contract left to renegotiate and we may still have to renegotiate his contract. I think Slayton and Gates are in trouble if LW doesnt get done. We are under the cap with picks and the PS but we need in season functional money and slayton as the 4th or 5th guy is making too much. Gates may not be ready so might be an injury settlement.
Ultimately I think they will have to add void years to LW.
who the fuck in their right mind signs off on last offseason when this scorched earth follow up was looming?
Fucking amazing.
They deluded themselves into believing they were a few players away from being a playoff contender.
It amazes me though that posters here are still defending some of Dave's moves when virtually every move he made was a disaster of one-line narratives.
This wasn’t the first time it happened. They did the same thing with Reese at the helm in 2016. That got them the fluke wild card playoff appearance.
Was the process. The fact framework for a deal should have been in place prior to acquiring him in a trade. Hell, that's why we couldn't move Bradberry, most GMs can see past their nose. On top of that, to then compound the mistake of tagging him only to acquire information that would ultimately be baked into his new contract was beyond stupid. If they believed in the talent enough to trade a top 65 pick for him, they should have been prepared to offer him an extension that same offseason. Buy low. He's a conviction transaction, act with conviction.
Been watching the NFL and the salary cap nonsense since it came to be. I get it just fine.
The Giants chose to suck more now rather than pay more later. I don't have to agree with that.
If Schoen is as good as 90% of this board thinks, we will be just fine in 2023. Pray that's the case.
Hmm, you continue to argue one point while pushing a separate point as your reasoning.
Bradberry is a solid CB- nothing more. He wasn't worth the money on a rebuilding team and would have been gone in the near future regardless.
Not sure why you seem to think the team screwed up here. In fact, many would say the screw up was extending, redoing etc. his contract already. But, whatever. Minus the draft class this year, I don't worry about any player on this team yet as they have all been part of suck central for years.
Essentially I said the Giants might have been better off keeping Bradberry at the expense of future funds. Pretty clearly said that.
Like I said, moving on... I just don't have to like it. At the end of the day I doubt I will be sitting here 2-3 years from now lamenting the loss of Bradberry but it's going to hurt us in 2022.
RE: yes he's a UFA right now but with leaguewide cap space spent
and off a down year. he wanted to get back to UFA next year more than a contract extensions with at least 2 other teams.
There are two other components to this:
1. Right now he is projected to be the best FA CB available in 2023
2. He can shop for a situation that he feels will maximize value/play to his strengths going into 2023.
Was the process. The fact framework for a deal should have been in place prior to acquiring him in a trade. Hell, that's why we couldn't move Bradberry, most GMs can see past their nose. On top of that, to then compound the mistake of tagging him only to acquire information that would ultimately be baked into his new contract was beyond stupid. If they believed in the talent enough to trade a top 65 pick for him, they should have been prepared to offer him an extension that same offseason. Buy low. He's a conviction transaction, act with conviction.
I think Gettleman would have resigned Williams even if it meant 90% of their cap lol. As you noted, most teams work out a long term deal with a player before making a trade like that. Just like the recent Tyreek Hill and AJ Brown trades. Gettleman had too much pride to just let him walk, or better yet, not make the trade in the first place. So glad he is gone.
Funny thing at the time was the back channels were saying $12-13M per was the expected agreement ballpark. We all know how it ended. So someone(s) either fibbed about the comp point shortly after the trade, or were just clueless as LW's camp took them to the shed.
He was actually right about the player but his process was so broken that you're not even getting value and locking him into a deal that hinders your ability to keep him longterm.
no one also seems to want to come to grips with the fact that Schoen's cash strapped team pissed away 2 million on a roster bonus to keep him around for another month or so while he tried and failed to do something, anything with him. This is a fail anyway you cut it. Schoen's first real fuck up.
That’s not what happened. Eric in Li will explain.
Funny thing at the time was the back channels were saying $12-13M per was the expected agreement ballpark. We all know how it ended. So someone(s) either fibbed about the comp point shortly after the trade, or were just clueless as LW's camp took them to the shed.
Leo’s agent had to know Gettleman would pay him anything because he was praying that Leo would make them competitive and make that terrible trade look somewhat intelligent.
Recall he was already making more than as a Jet so not really
all that interesting. His market was higher, just not what ultimately he was given. Bottom line is LW negotiated a great deal for himself because of the situation he was granted by an awful GM across the table.
thread is exhibit A at how Giants fans still have not come to grips with "we're rebuilding all over again."
When you start over, you start over.
no one also seems to want to come to grips with the fact that Schoen's cash strapped team pissed away 2 million on a roster bonus to keep him around for another month or so while he tried and failed to do something, anything with him. This is a fail anyway you cut it. Schoen's first real fuck up.
This is an overstatement. Schoen wanted to trade him and couldn't get a deal made. That's more of a reflection of the bad contract he inherited than a fail. Bradberry is a good player and will have plenty of options for this year at a lower salary, but no one wanted to take on that contract at all.
Funny thing at the time was the back channels were saying $12-13M per was the expected agreement ballpark. We all know how it ended. So someone(s) either fibbed about the comp point shortly after the trade, or were just clueless as LW's camp took them to the shed.
Paul Schwartz wrote the market value was even lower.
Gettleman did a lot of stupid things, but the way he handled the Williams contract was shocking even for him.
It sounds like they had multiple deals in place, but Bradberry didn’t agree to the extension terms with the trade partners.
Bradberry is betting on himself to have a good 2022 at a reduced salary compared to what he would have made with the Giants, and that the solid 2022 play will lead to a nice 2-3 payday with the rising cap in 2023.
Not much Schoen could do about that. As other posters have noted, he’s cleaning up the mess left by DG.
Funny thing at the time was the back channels were saying $12-13M per was the expected agreement ballpark. We all know how it ended. So someone(s) either fibbed about the comp point shortly after the trade, or were just clueless as LW's camp took them to the shed.
It would be a whole lot easier to rework his deal if he was signed at that level initially too. Hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube and get him on a reasonable extension when he's only 2 years removed from completely resetting the market.
Bradberry had lost speed and quickness in 2021 v 2020 and was routinely troubled by the faster quicker receivers. Given the Giants are rebuilding, his career timeline didn’t match up with the teams.
It’s good for everyone that Bradberry is moving on. Best of luck to him.
Funny thing at the time was the back channels were saying $12-13M per was the expected agreement ballpark. We all know how it ended. So someone(s) either fibbed about the comp point shortly after the trade, or were just clueless as LW's camp took them to the shed.
Paul Schwartz wrote the market value was even lower.
Gettleman did a lot of stupid things, but the way he handled the Williams contract was shocking even for him.
Yeah, I remember the media reporting $10M per when I heard $12-13M. When the number was up to $16M (which was a guess) you knew DG was in a worse than bad spot.
Bradberry had lost speed and quickness in 2021 v 2020 and was routinely troubled by the faster quicker receivers. Given the Giants are rebuilding, his career timeline didn’t match up with the teams.
It’s good for everyone that Bradberry is moving on. Best of luck to him.
Exactly. If Bradberry was anywhere near the 2021 version, or management projected he would be that guy in 2023 -- the Giants had the tools to retain him.
I never thought we would get anything for Bradbury.
As for LW, I am with JonC, I would not have gone over 15M and even that would have had me chewing on nails.
It just isn't the proper allocation of rost building resources.
And for sure, you don't trade for without a contract agreement in place or at least in principle.
but the LW acquisition revealed quite a lot about some high profile BBI regulars and their complete lack of understanding of the market and compensation.
I look back fondly at those times and the manta being pedaled that Gettleman had a gentleman's agreement in place and a hometown discount was forthcoming.
And those doing the pedaling were so visceral when a few of is countered that Team LW was in prime position to roll Gettleman and get a top-market deal.
The Leonard Williams comp is a good reason why a trade didnt happen
If Bradberry thinks he's undervalued going into 2023 no way he signs an extension with the team trading for him.
That leaves the trading team of having to overpay to 'justify' the trade if he has a great 2022 or lose the player in FA and take shit for pissing away draft picks.
Ahh, just heard about the Bradberry release. I am a bit
pissed that he didn't give in with either contract negotiations with those two other teams nor Schoen. His value has to be low but we'll see what he gets.
Just yet another gaping hole in the roster left behind due to the fine work of our perennial GM of the Year candidate Dave Gettleman...
RE: My style isn't to do call outs and name names...
but the LW acquisition revealed quite a lot about some high profile BBI regulars and their complete lack of understanding of the market and compensation.
I look back fondly at those times and the manta being pedaled that Gettleman had a gentleman's agreement in place and a hometown discount was forthcoming.
And those doing the pedaling were so visceral when a few of is countered that Team LW was in prime position to roll Gettleman and get a top-market deal.
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I think his two big mistakes were advertising the Giants plan to slash 40m dollars from the cap and not taking into account how Bradberry would play it. He probably didn't understand how ready the fan base was for a true rebuild and didn't need to set those expectations with them by advertising that strategy. He also probably should have gotten an idea on if and what Bradberry was looking for in an extension to see if teams were in the ballpark.
bw with another of his crackerjack nostradamos retro forecasts smh
Aces, you may be right; I just get the feeling he didn't want to stay with this franchise any longer. Completely understandable: sure way to kill your marketability by association with NYG...with his eye on FA asap
I 100% thought they had a deal in place. It never even occurred to me at that point that an NFL executive would not have all the details ironed out before moving on that trade. I took it even further and thought they maybe had some feelers to flip Hill or Tomlinson to get some of that capital back because the acquisition made keeping them impossible. He wasn't even close to thinking that far ahead. It became apparent in the coming days that they didn't.
If he doesn’t return to 2020 form, he’s not a Giant in 2023 at 18M in new cash.
The real error was giving a multi-year deal off a contract year explosion and paying him as if he was capable of consistently being that player when you had no reason to believe he would.
Like, if Daniel Jones has a good year year I'm not throwing 100m at him. Go prove it wasn't a fluke.
but the LW acquisition revealed quite a lot about some high profile BBI regulars and their complete lack of understanding of the market and compensation.
I look back fondly at those times and the manta being pedaled that Gettleman had a gentleman's agreement in place and a hometown discount was forthcoming.
And those doing the pedaling were so visceral when a few of is countered that Team LW was in prime position to roll Gettleman and get a top-market deal.
Many, many threads arguing about how the LW deal was being handled. The trade, not having the deal inked, the leverage given, the silly franchise tagging, his comps, and the ultimate elite-level money he got.
Bradberry wants to get paid. It's really simple.
Houston tried to trade for him but couldn't get him to agree to an extension.
He wants to play a 1 year deal this year and hit UFA next year.
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could have found a way to stay if he really wanted to be in NY. He clearly didn't want to be here. Can't really blame him for wanting to go somewhere with a better chance of winning, or just wanting to make his money.
Bradberry wants to get paid. It's really simple.
Houston tried to trade for him but couldn't get him to agree to an extension.
He wants to play a 1 year deal this year and hit UFA next year.
Isn't he an UFA right now?
There's a distinction between the two.
Been watching the NFL and the salary cap nonsense since it came to be. I get it just fine.
The Giants chose to suck more now rather than pay more later. I don't have to agree with that.
If Schoen is as good as 90% of this board thinks, we will be just fine in 2023. Pray that's the case.
Hmm, you continue to argue one point while pushing a separate point as your reasoning.
Bradberry is a solid CB- nothing more. He wasn't worth the money on a rebuilding team and would have been gone in the near future regardless.
Not sure why you seem to think the team screwed up here. In fact, many would say the screw up was extending, redoing etc. his contract already. But, whatever. Minus the draft class this year, I don't worry about any player on this team yet as they have all been part of suck central for years.
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could have found a way to stay if he really wanted to be in NY. He clearly didn't want to be here. Can't really blame him for wanting to go somewhere with a better chance of winning, or just wanting to make his money.
Bradberry wants to get paid. It's really simple.
Houston tried to trade for him but couldn't get him to agree to an extension.
He wants to play a 1 year deal this year and hit UFA next year.
Isn't he an UFA right now?
He is, but most teams have already spent their FA money. If he signs a one year deal, with the rising cap next year he’ll likely get much more.
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means a number of contracts stick for another year before they can be removed, more changes coming for certain. This is why drafting is so vital, and drafting for need is something to be careful with until you have a roster that can actually win football games.
correct Golladay and Leonard Williams will be on the chopping block next year. Along with Barkley and Jones (even though they are technically expiring contracts).
The team could loook totally different in another year as Schoen continues to overhaul the worst roster in the NFL.
Yep. I would really like to retain Leo but the associated contract cost now is just ridiculous and only going to get worse. To me, spending big open market dollars on a 3-4 DE goes against some of the build cost principles of a 3-4 in the first place. But, get off my lawn, I guess is where this goes. Interested to see if they keep Leo around, but the rest are likely goners.
He's simply overpaid. Many of you need to come to grips that many NY Giant players aren't worth it and Leonard Williams certainly is not. It's not good enough to be one of the best players on the team if it still means you are overpaid and at a position that doesn't justify it either. Foolish spending for a 4 win team.
I'm not of the "you", lol, I railed against giving Leo more than $15M per at the time and still dislike the contract. I'm also one of the biggest shouters of reality here wrt to the stink of this product. My football fan side still appreciates the player and would prefer to keep him around, but I've acknowledged often it's probably not going to happen, given the new regime and a likely different allocation structure. All good.
Yes but can't have it both ways. Negotiations clearly had reached levels beyond LW's worth and not sure you were suggesting walking away, only a few folks were. Though if that was your view then all good on this one.
I advocated walking away once they had clearly surpassed any reasonable figure in the $15-16M per range as I recall. Reasons being I wouldn't overvalue a 3-4 DE (at least anymore than I had at 15-16M per), and I also held firm the team wasn't going anywhere in 2021, let alone contending.
That's one basic tenet I hope is gone from NYG, the colossal failures of self-scouting and being honest with themselves as to the state of the roster. They will win again when it's built correctly.
Nobody goes to Washington and becomes a pro bowl player.
Fucking amazing.
It amazes me though that posters here are still defending some of Dave's moves when virtually every move he made was a disaster of one-line narratives.
Yippee.
Enjoy.
Said another way:
We can sign our DRAFT CLASS!
That wasn't possible before today.
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Bradberry had ZERO guaranteed money left on his contract this year. So releasing him saves the Mara's over 11.4M real money dollars. Now that he's a free agent the team that signs him won't have to pay anything that was on his Giants contract. That's probably the biggest reason they couldn't trade him.
The Giants cap issues are paper money not real money. At quick glance the Giants owe their full current roster about 80M in guaranteed real dollars for 2022. Of course they'll have to pay the players on the roster who don't have guaranteed money for 2022. But it would be difficult to screw up the NFL salary cap more than Gettleman and Abrams did.
No guaranteed money for this year?
Have you considered trying to get a post correct one of these times?
Oh, and it's widely assumed that JB had offset language in his contract.
You might set a record for things you get wrong in one post.
When you start over, you start over.
But yet, here we are.
It was simply a numbers game with his contract being one of the few left that could get us the cap space needed.
Schoen overplayed his hand and lost. Bradberry should have been released before his guarantee. But he took the gamble and lost.
LW was the only contract left to renegotiate and we may still have to renegotiate his contract. I think Slayton and Gates are in trouble if LW doesnt get done. We are under the cap with picks and the PS but we need in season functional money and slayton as the 4th or 5th guy is making too much. Gates may not be ready so might be an injury settlement.
Ultimately I think they will have to add void years to LW.
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who the fuck in their right mind signs off on last offseason when this scorched earth follow up was looming?
Fucking amazing.
They deluded themselves into believing they were a few players away from being a playoff contender.
It amazes me though that posters here are still defending some of Dave's moves when virtually every move he made was a disaster of one-line narratives.
This wasn’t the first time it happened. They did the same thing with Reese at the helm in 2016. That got them the fluke wild card playoff appearance.
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I do get it. I don't agree.
There's a distinction between the two.
Been watching the NFL and the salary cap nonsense since it came to be. I get it just fine.
The Giants chose to suck more now rather than pay more later. I don't have to agree with that.
If Schoen is as good as 90% of this board thinks, we will be just fine in 2023. Pray that's the case.
Hmm, you continue to argue one point while pushing a separate point as your reasoning.
Bradberry is a solid CB- nothing more. He wasn't worth the money on a rebuilding team and would have been gone in the near future regardless.
Not sure why you seem to think the team screwed up here. In fact, many would say the screw up was extending, redoing etc. his contract already. But, whatever. Minus the draft class this year, I don't worry about any player on this team yet as they have all been part of suck central for years.
Essentially I said the Giants might have been better off keeping Bradberry at the expense of future funds. Pretty clearly said that.
Like I said, moving on... I just don't have to like it. At the end of the day I doubt I will be sitting here 2-3 years from now lamenting the loss of Bradberry but it's going to hurt us in 2022.
There are two other components to this:
1. Right now he is projected to be the best FA CB available in 2023
2. He can shop for a situation that he feels will maximize value/play to his strengths going into 2023.
I think Gettleman would have resigned Williams even if it meant 90% of their cap lol. As you noted, most teams work out a long term deal with a player before making a trade like that. Just like the recent Tyreek Hill and AJ Brown trades. Gettleman had too much pride to just let him walk, or better yet, not make the trade in the first place. So glad he is gone.
That’s not what happened. Eric in Li will explain.
Leo’s agent had to know Gettleman would pay him anything because he was praying that Leo would make them competitive and make that terrible trade look somewhat intelligent.
LW is tomorrow's problem.
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thread is exhibit A at how Giants fans still have not come to grips with "we're rebuilding all over again."
When you start over, you start over.
no one also seems to want to come to grips with the fact that Schoen's cash strapped team pissed away 2 million on a roster bonus to keep him around for another month or so while he tried and failed to do something, anything with him. This is a fail anyway you cut it. Schoen's first real fuck up.
This is an overstatement. Schoen wanted to trade him and couldn't get a deal made. That's more of a reflection of the bad contract he inherited than a fail. Bradberry is a good player and will have plenty of options for this year at a lower salary, but no one wanted to take on that contract at all.
Paul Schwartz wrote the market value was even lower.
Gettleman did a lot of stupid things, but the way he handled the Williams contract was shocking even for him.
Bradberry is betting on himself to have a good 2022 at a reduced salary compared to what he would have made with the Giants, and that the solid 2022 play will lead to a nice 2-3 payday with the rising cap in 2023.
Not much Schoen could do about that. As other posters have noted, he’s cleaning up the mess left by DG.
Maybe some of the kids step up in 22.
It's Bradberry, not Revis. Let's establish an identity in 22, run the ball stop the run and generate a pass-rush and kick ass in 23.
It would be a whole lot easier to rework his deal if he was signed at that level initially too. Hard to put the toothpaste back in the tube and get him on a reasonable extension when he's only 2 years removed from completely resetting the market.
It’s good for everyone that Bradberry is moving on. Best of luck to him.
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Funny thing at the time was the back channels were saying $12-13M per was the expected agreement ballpark. We all know how it ended. So someone(s) either fibbed about the comp point shortly after the trade, or were just clueless as LW's camp took them to the shed.
Paul Schwartz wrote the market value was even lower.
Gettleman did a lot of stupid things, but the way he handled the Williams contract was shocking even for him.
Yeah, I remember the media reporting $10M per when I heard $12-13M. When the number was up to $16M (which was a guess) you knew DG was in a worse than bad spot.
If he doesn’t return to 2020 form, he’s not a Giant in 2023 at 18M in new cash.
It’s good for everyone that Bradberry is moving on. Best of luck to him.
Exactly. If Bradberry was anywhere near the 2021 version, or management projected he would be that guy in 2023 -- the Giants had the tools to retain him.
As for LW, I am with JonC, I would not have gone over 15M and even that would have had me chewing on nails.
It just isn't the proper allocation of rost building resources.
And for sure, you don't trade for without a contract agreement in place or at least in principle.
It is a subtle difference.
I look back fondly at those times and the manta being pedaled that Gettleman had a gentleman's agreement in place and a hometown discount was forthcoming.
And those doing the pedaling were so visceral when a few of is countered that Team LW was in prime position to roll Gettleman and get a top-market deal.
That leaves the trading team of having to overpay to 'justify' the trade if he has a great 2022 or lose the player in FA and take shit for pissing away draft picks.
Just yet another gaping hole in the roster left behind due to the fine work of our perennial GM of the Year candidate Dave Gettleman...
I look back fondly at those times and the manta being pedaled that Gettleman had a gentleman's agreement in place and a hometown discount was forthcoming.
And those doing the pedaling were so visceral when a few of is countered that Team LW was in prime position to roll Gettleman and get a top-market deal.
Here you go.
Leonard Williams signed - 3/16/21 - ( New Window )
I think his two big mistakes were advertising the Giants plan to slash 40m dollars from the cap and not taking into account how Bradberry would play it. He probably didn't understand how ready the fan base was for a true rebuild and didn't need to set those expectations with them by advertising that strategy. He also probably should have gotten an idea on if and what Bradberry was looking for in an extension to see if teams were in the ballpark.
bw with another of his crackerjack nostradamos retro forecasts smh
Aces, you may be right; I just get the feeling he didn't want to stay with this franchise any longer. Completely understandable: sure way to kill your marketability by association with NYG...with his eye on FA asap
If he doesn’t return to 2020 form, he’s not a Giant in 2023 at 18M in new cash.
The real error was giving a multi-year deal off a contract year explosion and paying him as if he was capable of consistently being that player when you had no reason to believe he would.
Like, if Daniel Jones has a good year year I'm not throwing 100m at him. Go prove it wasn't a fluke.
Still wish they had taken a CB instead of Robinson but that’s water under the bridge
We have some young CBS. Time for them to step up
I look back fondly at those times and the manta being pedaled that Gettleman had a gentleman's agreement in place and a hometown discount was forthcoming.
And those doing the pedaling were so visceral when a few of is countered that Team LW was in prime position to roll Gettleman and get a top-market deal.
Many, many threads arguing about how the LW deal was being handled. The trade, not having the deal inked, the leverage given, the silly franchise tagging, his comps, and the ultimate elite-level money he got.
How not to be a GM (nor a foolish fan) 101..