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question on potential Bradberry trade that didn't happen

Spartan10 : 5/10/2022 9:25 am
So it sounds like Schoen may have had potential deals in place to trade Bradberry, but no other team wanted to pay Bradberry's remaining salary/contract. So in order for a trade to take place Bradberry would of had to agree to the reduce salary (new contract) that another team would have been willing to pay to complete the trade? Am I understanding this correctly?
No  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/10/2022 9:27 am : link
a trade was only going to take place if Bradberry and the new team could agree on a NEW DEAL, which would have paid him MORE money with ADDITIONAL YEARS.

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Spartan10 : 5/10/2022 9:31 am : link
In comment 15704124 Eric from BBI said:
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a trade was only going to take place if Bradberry and the new team could agree on a NEW DEAL, which would have paid him MORE money with ADDITIONAL YEARS.


Ok. Thanks. That is basically what I'm asking. So it was in Bradberry's best interest to be released if he couldn't get a new deal that paid him more money with additional years.
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Mike in NY : 5/10/2022 9:37 am : link
In comment 15704133 Spartan10 said:
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In comment 15704124 Eric from BBI said:


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a trade was only going to take place if Bradberry and the new team could agree on a NEW DEAL, which would have paid him MORE money with ADDITIONAL YEARS.




Ok. Thanks. That is basically what I'm asking. So it was in Bradberry's best interest to be released if he couldn't get a new deal that paid him more money with additional years.


It depends. Bradberry is gambling on himself to return to pre-2021 levels. A new contract would have included the security of additional years to spread out the signing bonus for cap purposes. However, if it backfires and the arrow is pointing downward he could be in for the Jadeveon Clowney/Stephen Gilmore type contracts where it is almost entirely salary and little bonus on a 1 year deal so if it does not work out a team can cut him with minimal cap hit.
Spartan  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/10/2022 9:39 am : link
the advantage for Bradberry now is he can pick his team. There probably is already a done deal with some other team.
Bradberry wants to get to UFA next offseason  
Eric on Li : 5/10/2022 9:56 am : link
Xavien Howard signed an extension this offseason for a total of 5 years 90m.

the extensions being offered to Bradberry this offseason were like a fraction of that amount. Probably in the 3/30 range.

he turned them down and is apparently willing to get whatever he gets this season in hopes of having a pro bowl year like 2 years ago and getting a bigger deal.

reuniting with Graham in LV seems like a very logical move.
He wants to pick his team and get new dollars  
JonC : 5/10/2022 10:00 am : link
This is his age 29 season, can't blame him for wanting a shot at top of the market dollars one last time, rather than shorting himself for a bad football team.
The thing for Bradberry is  
Rudy5757 : 5/10/2022 10:21 am : link
he can go back to those same teams he negotiated with if he wants and sign with them. He gets to pick where he goes, this is his last opportunity to get a big deal. Why should he let the Giants choose his next team?

He also kind of knows his general value now, he can get a 3 year deal with good guaranteed money. Even though cap money is pretty dry, teams can push money into future years.
RE: The thing for Bradberry is  
Eric on Li : 5/10/2022 10:24 am : link
In comment 15704203 Rudy5757 said:
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he can go back to those same teams he negotiated with if he wants and sign with them. He gets to pick where he goes, this is his last opportunity to get a big deal. Why should he let the Giants choose his next team?

He also kind of knows his general value now, he can get a 3 year deal with good guaranteed money. Even though cap money is pretty dry, teams can push money into future years.


the 1 confirmed team he was negotiating with (Houston) is reportedly not interested because they ended up picking Stingley and signed Steven Nelson.

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Texans and former Giants corner James Bradberry were at least $5 million apart in contract discussion in prospective trade talks, per league sources. Not expected to be revisited after team drafted Derek Stingley Jr. third overall and signed veteran corner Steven Nelson.



Most likely Bradberry is going to have to settle for a much lower salary this year (5-8m) in order to pick the team of his choosing. In Vegas with the tax difference his take home may be more comparable to what he was set to make, plus he gets to play with a coordinator who got his best season.
Player trades  
Mike in NY : 5/10/2022 10:25 am : link
I am sure Joe Schoen has been in contact with James Bradberry's agent about where he wants to play and trying to swing a trade with one of those teams.

Although Bradberry does not have any veto rights on a trade, if every team the Giants have spoken with will only trade if they can redo Bradberry's contract it does not make sense to continue negotiations with a team Bradberry will never sign a new deal with.
It depends.  
RHPeel : 5/10/2022 10:56 am : link
If I understand correctly: the Giants could have 1) Kept Bradberry's salary equivalent to what it was today; 2) Converted as much as they wanted to a bonus; 3) Traded him without issue. BUT every dollar they converted to bonus would be one less dollar of cap relief. So they could have (say) converted $7m of the remaining salary to bonus to make him more appealing as a trade chip, but that would have reduced the cap savings of a trade from $12m to $5m, thus defeating the purpose. It was a bit of a catch-22.

So... the only way to get everyone what they wanted was to have had some team willing to extend Bradberry to reduce the immediate cap hit. And the numbers just didn't add up, given the lower cap this year.

A shame, but it is what it is.
Texans wanted him  
Breeze_94 : 5/10/2022 11:59 am : link
Glad it did not happen. They probably would have not gone with Stingley, and the draft would have shaken out completely different.
It is pretty clear  
Mike in Boston : 5/10/2022 12:06 pm : link
Schoen had some sort of (perhaps voidable) offer on the table as well. Whether declining both that and whatever deals potential trade partners had on the table was in Bradberry's interest depends on what kind of deal he really gets.

My uninformed guess is that he wants a long term deal based on his 2020 pro Bowl year, and teams were offing deals based on last year's lesser performance. So the upside for Bradberry is he gets a 1 year "Prove it" deal somewhere where he can prove that last year's performance was because of the coaching problems more than age. Down side for him is he gets a 1 year deal that proves the latter.
RE: Texans wanted him  
Eric on Li : 5/10/2022 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15704319 Breeze_94 said:
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Glad it did not happen. They probably would have not gone with Stingley, and the draft would have shaken out completely different.


that's kind of interesting to think about. On April 13th they gave Nelson 2 years 10m so he wasn't exactly cheap. So had they gotten Bradberry I think they probably still go Stingley, which would have given them 2 corners with exceptional ball skills in Lovie's Tampa 2.
RE: Spartan  
eric2425ny : 5/10/2022 12:54 pm : link
In comment 15704143 Eric from BBI said:
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the advantage for Bradberry now is he can pick his team. There probably is already a done deal with some other team.


And after playing on what will likely be a one year deal in 2022 he will re-enter the market in 2023 with a rising cap. He’s betting on himself to have a big 2022 to cash in the following season.
Bradberry may end up with the Eagles  
GeofromNJ : 5/11/2022 12:20 am : link
which would suck big time. They already have better receivers, and may end up with a better secondary. The Eagles primary negative is Jalen Hurts. Let's hope that Carson Strong doesn't learn the pro game this year and/or is unable to move given his knee.
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