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The Dilemma of the Daniel Jones Dilemma

Semipro Lineman : 5/10/2022 11:26 am
Is that no one opens these threads anymore since it's the same characters saying the same thing.

I am waiting for the next thread  
KDavies : 5/10/2022 11:30 am : link
entitled "The Dilemma of the Dilemma of the Daniel Jones Dilemma"
......  
Route 9 : 5/10/2022 11:31 am : link
Doesn't matter. He's still a waste of time.

GOOD KID!
Exactly, SL  
Bill in UT : 5/10/2022 11:39 am : link
And I didn't open this one either
after a while  
Chip : 5/10/2022 11:41 am : link
they are just stupid
the horse is dead  
Victor in CT : 5/10/2022 11:42 am : link
no need to keep whipping it
RE: the horse is dead  
bluesince56 : 5/10/2022 11:44 am : link
In comment 15704297 Victor in CT said:
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no need to keep whipping it


Dead and buried
Only Three Possible Outcomes For Jones In 2022:  
Trainmaster : 5/10/2022 11:46 am : link
1) Jones in injured and / or plays poorly and is not a Giant for 2023
2) Jones plays “lights out” and signs a huge, multi-year deal with the Giants
3) Something between 1) and 2)

:-)
If Daniel Jones falls in a forsest and no one is there to see it...  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/10/2022 11:47 am : link
...will he still turn over the ball?

Cool thread  
Go Terps : 5/10/2022 11:50 am : link
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RE: Only Three Possible Outcomes For Jones In 2022:  
knowledgetimmons : 5/10/2022 11:50 am : link
In comment 15704302 Trainmaster said:
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1) Jones in injured and / or plays poorly and is not a Giant for 2023
2) Jones plays “lights out” and signs a huge, multi-year deal with the Giants
3) Something between 1) and 2)

:-)


You missed one other option:
4)Jones is retained because he's "good for the QB room"
5.  
lono801 : 5/10/2022 11:53 am : link
Cuz John Mara said so
The Dilemma of the Daniel Jones Dilemma  
Semipro Lineman : 5/10/2022 11:56 am : link
In comment 15704309 Go Terps said:
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Cool thread


Cool post my dude
4) & 5)  
Trainmaster : 5/10/2022 12:06 pm : link
Are covered by 3)

:-)
Dan Jones is like a drug  
ghost718 : 5/10/2022 12:19 pm : link
and this is the man

RE: Only Three Possible Outcomes For Jones In 2022:  
eric2425ny : 5/10/2022 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15704302 Trainmaster said:
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1) Jones in injured and / or plays poorly and is not a Giant for 2023
2) Jones plays “lights out” and signs a huge, multi-year deal with the Giants
3) Something between 1) and 2)

:-)


This, thread over.
Semipro...  
Brown_Hornet : 5/10/2022 12:47 pm : link
...you're not wrong.
Jones is probably the most interesting story about the Giants  
NoGainDayne : 5/10/2022 12:48 pm : link
and will be all season. If you want less talk about Jones I suggest you find yourself a place far away from BBI or the New York papers or the streets of New York probably
RE: Jones is probably the most interesting story about the Giants  
Dnew15 : 5/10/2022 12:50 pm : link
In comment 15704373 NoGainDayne said:
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and will be all season. If you want less talk about Jones I suggest you find yourself a place far away from BBI or the New York papers or the streets of New York probably


I kinda agree.
It doesn't bother me as much as it appears to both other people.
RE: If Daniel Jones falls in a forsest and no one is there to see it...  
Johnny5 : 5/10/2022 1:18 pm : link
In comment 15704305 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...will he still turn over the ball?

Ha, now that's funny
RE: Jones is probably the most interesting story about the Giants  
bw in dc : 5/10/2022 1:39 pm : link
In comment 15704373 NoGainDayne said:
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and will be all season. If you want less talk about Jones I suggest you find yourself a place far away from BBI or the New York papers or the streets of New York probably


I would remove the adverb probably.

Jones plays the most critical position and is getting yet another chance - his 4th - to prove and validate his 6th pick investment. He is THE story for 2022 in the "All-in-for-Jones" strategy, Part 2.

Of course, there is a large float of BBIers who think QB is just another position on the field and shouldn't be under more scrutiny than the right guard or long-snapper.

Oh no another Eli thread, or another  
Jimmy Googs : 5/10/2022 1:52 pm : link
don't draft a RB #2 thread, or
Gettleman sucks thread, or
fix the Offensive Line thread, or
Leonard Williams signing thread, or
Kadarius Toney missing practice thread, or
Daniel Jones dilemma thread.

What the hell do you guys want to talk about...Julian Love?







RE: I am waiting for the next thread  
BlueVinnie : 5/10/2022 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15704283 KDavies said:
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entitled "The Dilemma of the Dilemma of the Daniel Jones Dilemma"

Being a fan of old monster movies, I prefer;
The Son Of The Daniel Jones Dilemma
I Was A Teenage Daniel Jones Dilemma
or
Abbot & Costello Meet The Daniel Jones Dilemma
RE: If Daniel Jones falls in a forsest and no one is there to see it...  
Jimmy Googs : 5/10/2022 1:57 pm : link
In comment 15704305 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...will he still turn over the ball?


Yes, but you will still have a bunch of posters on BBI blaming the forest ranger for not clearing out enough branches...
You forgot the soil  
NoGainDayne : 5/10/2022 2:00 pm : link
what tree could stay upright in THAT soil?
Who will play  
bluesince56 : 5/10/2022 2:11 pm : link
Daniel Jones in the movie??
RE: Oh no another Eli thread, or another  
Johnny5 : 5/10/2022 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15704464 Jimmy Googs said:
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don't draft a RB #2 thread, or
Gettleman sucks thread, or
fix the Offensive Line thread, or
Leonard Williams signing thread, or
Kadarius Toney missing practice thread, or
Daniel Jones dilemma thread.

What the hell do you guys want to talk about...Julian Love?







Why you dissin' Julian yo
OP  
joeinpa : 5/10/2022 3:12 pm : link
Same characters saying the same thing, true, me included

No one opens them anymore……. couldn’t be more wrong

Every Jones thread gets more hits than most other posts
I think  
cjac : 5/10/2022 3:50 pm : link
Julian Love is going to have a really great year in Wink Martindale's aggressive style defense.
RE: Who will play  
Scooter185 : 5/10/2022 3:55 pm : link
In comment 15704491 bluesince56 said:
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Daniel Jones in the movie??


Eli Manning
RE: RE: Who will play  
Semipro Lineman : 5/10/2022 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15704557 Scooter185 said:
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In comment 15704491 bluesince56 said:


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Daniel Jones in the movie??



Eli Manning


Eli can definitely play post-retirement Daniel but playing days Daniel should be played by Channing Tatum
......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 5/10/2022 4:32 pm : link
Most of the DJ threads seemed copy and paste from last off season

"This is Jones prove it year, need pieces around him, bad play calling, etc"
RE: I think  
Johnny5 : 5/10/2022 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15704554 cjac said:
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Julian Love is going to have a really great year in Wink Martindale's aggressive style defense.

I agree, he's a good player for us
To the OP,  
Big Blue '56 : 5/10/2022 5:35 pm : link
exactly! We try so hard not to
RE: RE: I think  
Jimmy Googs : 5/10/2022 5:46 pm : link
In comment 15704610 Johnny5 said:
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In comment 15704554 cjac said:


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Julian Love is going to have a really great year in Wink Martindale's aggressive style defense.


I agree, he's a good player for us


Give him credit that he probably was the only guy on the Defense that didn't regress last season. But his ceiling isn't very high...he's a keeper JAG but that's about it.
RE: ......  
Scooter185 : 5/10/2022 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15704600 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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Most of the DJ threads seemed copy and paste from last off season

"This is Jones prove it year, need pieces around him, bad play calling, etc"


It's actually kind of crazy how if there wasn't a timestamp on posts you wouldn't knowing what year they were made
RE: RE: RE: I think  
Johnny5 : 5/10/2022 7:19 pm : link
In comment 15704653 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15704610 Johnny5 said:


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In comment 15704554 cjac said:


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Julian Love is going to have a really great year in Wink Martindale's aggressive style defense.


I agree, he's a good player for us



Give him credit that he probably was the only guy on the Defense that didn't regress last season. But his ceiling isn't very high...he's a keeper JAG but that's about it.

Well, sure... but if our JAGs are better than their Jags, that's a good thing. I think he is slightly above JAG though
There’s no dilemma  
mattlawson : 5/10/2022 10:39 pm : link
Dabs is going to unload gun the season on offense
RE: RE: Jones is probably the most interesting story about the Giants  
Maryland Blows : 5/11/2022 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15704446 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15704373 NoGainDayne said:


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and will be all season. If you want less talk about Jones I suggest you find yourself a place far away from BBI or the New York papers or the streets of New York probably



I would remove the adverb probably.

Jones plays the most critical position and is getting yet another chance - his 4th - to prove and validate his 6th pick investment. He is THE story for 2022 in the "All-in-for-Jones" strategy, Part 2.

Of course, there is a large float of BBIers who think QB is just another position on the field and shouldn't be under more scrutiny than the right guard or long-snapper.


So the last part of your post reveals your actual football knowledge which is minimal. Football is the ultimate team sport all 11 players whether it is on O,D or special teams need to do there job for there to be success. It is not about putting him under scrutiny it is about allowing all your players to be successful. With the rosters we have had over the last 5 years can you honestly say we gave our D,O and special teams the opportunity to be successful? If you say yes your more delusional than I thought. All I want is a fair assessment of the skill players this means that the other players around them need to do their job. Plain and simple.
RE: RE: RE: Jones is probably the most interesting story about the Giants  
bw in dc : 5/11/2022 3:16 pm : link
In comment 15705350 Maryland Blows said:
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In comment 15704446 bw in dc said:

I would remove the adverb probably.

Jones plays the most critical position and is getting yet another chance - his 4th - to prove and validate his 6th pick investment. He is THE story for 2022 in the "All-in-for-Jones" strategy, Part 2.

Of course, there is a large float of BBIers who think QB is just another position on the field and shouldn't be under more scrutiny than the right guard or long-snapper.


So the last part of your post reveals your actual football knowledge which is minimal. Football is the ultimate team sport all 11 players whether it is on O,D or special teams need to do there job for there to be success. It is not about putting him under scrutiny it is about allowing all your players to be successful. With the rosters we have had over the last 5 years can you honestly say we gave our D,O and special teams the opportunity to be successful? If you say yes your more delusional than I thought. All I want is a fair assessment of the skill players this means that the other players around them need to do their job. Plain and simple.


Not sure where the confusion is. I agree all 11 players on each unit have to do their job - and well - to increase the chances of success. Additionally, I agree the prior administration did a poor job of assembling the entire roster.

But that doesn't change the fact that in today's NFL the play of the QB position is critical to success - for so many obvious reasons. So, the expectations of that position are just greater than any other position in the game. And if you have the right person, he can elevate the play of his teammates, and even help cover him deficiencies.

Which is why I said in my prior post that Jones should be under the most scrutiny. And why he's the most interesting story - again - heading into another year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones is probably the most interesting story about the Giants  
Matt M. : 5/11/2022 3:20 pm : link
In comment 15705444 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15705350 Maryland Blows said:


Quote:


In comment 15704446 bw in dc said:

I would remove the adverb probably.

Jones plays the most critical position and is getting yet another chance - his 4th - to prove and validate his 6th pick investment. He is THE story for 2022 in the "All-in-for-Jones" strategy, Part 2.

Of course, there is a large float of BBIers who think QB is just another position on the field and shouldn't be under more scrutiny than the right guard or long-snapper.


So the last part of your post reveals your actual football knowledge which is minimal. Football is the ultimate team sport all 11 players whether it is on O,D or special teams need to do there job for there to be success. It is not about putting him under scrutiny it is about allowing all your players to be successful. With the rosters we have had over the last 5 years can you honestly say we gave our D,O and special teams the opportunity to be successful? If you say yes your more delusional than I thought. All I want is a fair assessment of the skill players this means that the other players around them need to do their job. Plain and simple.



Not sure where the confusion is. I agree all 11 players on each unit have to do their job - and well - to increase the chances of success. Additionally, I agree the prior administration did a poor job of assembling the entire roster.

But that doesn't change the fact that in today's NFL the play of the QB position is critical to success - for so many obvious reasons. So, the expectations of that position are just greater than any other position in the game. And if you have the right person, he can elevate the play of his teammates, and even help cover him deficiencies.

Which is why I said in my prior post that Jones should be under the most scrutiny. And why he's the most interesting story - again - heading into another year.
Agree and then you have to also factor in being the #6 pick. I'm sorry, but that carries high expectations.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones is probably the most interesting story about the Giants  
Matt M. : 5/11/2022 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15705449 Matt M. said:
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In comment 15705444 bw in dc said:


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In comment 15705350 Maryland Blows said:


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In comment 15704446 bw in dc said:

I would remove the adverb probably.

Jones plays the most critical position and is getting yet another chance - his 4th - to prove and validate his 6th pick investment. He is THE story for 2022 in the "All-in-for-Jones" strategy, Part 2.

Of course, there is a large float of BBIers who think QB is just another position on the field and shouldn't be under more scrutiny than the right guard or long-snapper.


So the last part of your post reveals your actual football knowledge which is minimal. Football is the ultimate team sport all 11 players whether it is on O,D or special teams need to do there job for there to be success. It is not about putting him under scrutiny it is about allowing all your players to be successful. With the rosters we have had over the last 5 years can you honestly say we gave our D,O and special teams the opportunity to be successful? If you say yes your more delusional than I thought. All I want is a fair assessment of the skill players this means that the other players around them need to do their job. Plain and simple.



Not sure where the confusion is. I agree all 11 players on each unit have to do their job - and well - to increase the chances of success. Additionally, I agree the prior administration did a poor job of assembling the entire roster.

But that doesn't change the fact that in today's NFL the play of the QB position is critical to success - for so many obvious reasons. So, the expectations of that position are just greater than any other position in the game. And if you have the right person, he can elevate the play of his teammates, and even help cover him deficiencies.

Which is why I said in my prior post that Jones should be under the most scrutiny. And why he's the most interesting story - again - heading into another year.

Agree and then you have to also factor in being the #6 pick. I'm sorry, but that carries high expectations.
I'll add this - Yes, the entire unit needs to play well. But, it is also a copout after 4 years. Even if the overall play limits Jones and the offense as a whole in terms of scoring, there is still a different level of accountability on the QB. At some point, a #6 pick is expected to elevate the team around him, not the other way around. A #6 pick is also supposed to be more than a game manager.

For sure, the OL is the biggest factor in Jones' development. But, there is also a reasonable expectation that after 4 years your QB would have improved his ability to read defenses (coverages and blitzes) pre-snap, read the field, etc. He is not doing that. In fact, I think he did a better job as a rookie.

Even after all that, it is basically moot for Jones at this point. We have an expectation that Schoen and Daboll will turn around the franchise. They are off to a good start on paper. The problem is, that isn't enough reason to extend Jones in any capacity. Unfortunately, with this team, he is basically lame duck unless he has an extraordinary improvement.
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