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How bad has the New York Giants injury situation been over the last five seasons? If there was a way to exchange ten injuries for an extra win, the Giants would have the best won-loss record in the league over that period. In other words, it’s been really bad. According to the website ManGamesLost, which tracks games lost due to injury and illness, the Giants have finished in the top-10 league-wide every year since 2017, averaging 282 man-games lost. |
and to pre-empt the typical blaming of the surface i can't remember which but i think the 2 different surfaces the nyg home field has been is the same as ATL and the other MIN (the 2 least injured teams). and on the other end I think Jax and BAL are both grass. and obviously the jets play in the same stadium and yet have lost 1/3 the man games.
Rudolph and Golladay last year
Drafting Sam Beal
Arizona Cardinals: State Farm Stadium, Bermuda grass
Atlanta Falcons: Mercedes-Benz Superdome, FieldTurf CORE
Baltimore Ravens: M&T Bank Stadium, Bermuda grass
Buffalo Bills: Highmark Stadium, A-Turf Titan
Carolina Panthers: Bank of America Stadium, FieldTurf
Chicago Bears: Soldier Field, Kentucky bluegrass
Cincinnati Bengals: Paul Brown Stadium, UBU Speed Series S5-M Synthetic Turf
Cleveland Browns: FirstEnergy Stadium, Kentucky bluegrass
Dallas Cowboys: AT&T Stadium, Hellas Matrix Turf
Denver Broncos: Empower Field at Mile High, Kentucky bluegrass
Detroit Lions: Ford Field, FieldTurf Classic HD
Green Bay Packers: Lambeau Field, Desso GrassMaster
Houston Texans: NRG Stadium, Hellas Matrix Turf
Indianapolis Colts: Lucas Oil Stadium, Shaw Sports Momentum Pro
Jacksonville Jaguars: TIAA Bank Field, Bermuda grass
Kansas City Chiefs: GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium, Bermuda grass
Las Vegas Raiders: Allegiant Stadium, Bermuda grass
Los Angeles Chargers: SoFi Stadium, Hellas Matrix Turf
Los Angeles Rams: SoFi Stadium, Hellas Matrix Turf
Miami Dolphins: Hard Rock Stadium, Bermuda grass
Minnesota Vikings: U.S. Bank Stadium, UBU Speed Series S5-M (turf)
New England Patriots: Gillette Stadium, FieldTurf CORE
New Orleans Saints: Caesar's Superdome, FieldTurf Revolution 360
New York Giants: MetLife Stadium, UBU Sports Speed Series S5-M
New York Jets: MetLife Stadium, UBU Sports Speed Series S5-M
Philadelphia Eagles: Lincoln Financial Field, Desso GrassMaster
Pittsburgh Steelers: Heinz Field, Kentucky bluegrass
San Francisco 49ers: Levi's Stadium, Bermuda grass and Perennial Ryegrass mixture
Seattle Seahawks: CenturyLink Field, FieldTurf Revolution 360
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Raymond James Stadium, Bermuda grass
Tennessee Titans: Nissan Stadium, Bermuda grass
Washington Football Team: FedExField, Bermuda grass
Interesting to compare them...
but giants/jets have been on the same surfaces every year.
also anecdotally everyone usually thinks grass is better but Cruz and Barkley both tore their knees on grass on the road. Nicks hurt himself originally in an OTA i believe on a grass practice field. just a wasted decade in every sense.
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Clearly something is wrong with how the Giants train and rehabilitate from injuries. I don't know if that's on the training staff, or the strength and conditioning staff. But enough is enough with this nonsense.
And it's not the turf, the Jets are obvious evidence of that.
It kills cadence, familiarity, rhythm, experience, game-planning, morale, teamwork, stability, salary, wins/losses, etc etc etc
It's so very very important and the Giants NEED to fix this. Please fix this.
Stop drafting and signing players with injury concerns. Buy low and sell high in 'high injury threat' positions. Pay those injury settlements and move on (players rarely recover from ACLs for example).
Just fix it please.
Pretty sure the Giants practice fields are grass.
You can also say that injured players tend to get injured again.
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Players at more mobile positions have higher injury rates.
I think this is absolutely a very big piece of the injury puzzle. Pro football players get hurt. All of them. Every season. But mostly, I think they play through pain when the big games come. And the Giants just don’t have any big games over the past decade.
I wonder too if having these inexperienced and unsuccessful coaches has encouraged more “business decisions”? Like, it’s got to be obvious to the guys in the locker room that McAd’oh and Rah Rah Joe were in over their heads. Who would gut it out for them or a guy like Murmur?
And then there’s been what Carl Banks calls scholarship players. I think Barkley would be one of these (though CB never said that). Not saying Barks hasn’t been legitimately injured, just that he’s soft in his play. But he’s the “face of the franchise” and a top draft pick. Seems to me like he makes a lot of business decisions. Idk…maybe that’s not fair, but he doesn’t appear to me to be encouraging a culture of toughness.
Attitude follows leadership. Maybe injuries do too?
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We are 0-2 every fucking year. 12% of those teams don't reach the playoffs. We have sucked so badly, our seasons are over so quick, that players make business decisions and say they can't go, when if the team were in the hunt, they might not miss a snap. Why put your career on the line for a clown show?
I think this is absolutely a very big piece of the injury puzzle. Pro football players get hurt. All of them. Every season. But mostly, I think they play through pain when the big games come. And the Giants just don’t have any big games over the past decade.
I wonder too if having these inexperienced and unsuccessful coaches has encouraged more “business decisions”? Like, it’s got to be obvious to the guys in the locker room that McAd’oh and Rah Rah Joe were in over their heads. Who would gut it out for them or a guy like Murmur?
And then there’s been what Carl Banks calls scholarship players. I think Barkley would be one of these (though CB never said that). Not saying Barks hasn’t been legitimately injured, just that he’s soft in his play. But he’s the “face of the franchise” and a top draft pick. Seems to me like he makes a lot of business decisions. Idk…maybe that’s not fair, but he doesn’t appear to me to be encouraging a culture of toughness.
Attitude follows leadership. Maybe injuries do too?
If this an impact, I’d tend to think it’s minimal. Our injuries started in the summer, when guys couldn’t even practice together, and continued on from there..to say a player quits on their team after an 0-2 start seems pretty insulting to the integrity and character of the players as a whole.
+1.
Also, make your block, get out of the way. Get to the ball carrier, make the tackle, stay out of the wash of a cluster of players. Injuries usually happen when player isn’t aware of where opponents are, and as I said, when they get caught up in a cluster of players, and get tangled up.
Rudolph and Golladay last year
Drafting Sam Beal
This. When you have an entire offense comprised of injury prone players you can’t really be shocked when they get hurt.
I think it's all of the above
- we draft injury prone players
- we start the season with a couple of losses
- we're the weaker team so we get pushed around and get hurt
- there is something wrong in our conditioning and medical programs.
keeping players on the field is part of the job of management.
Wellman comes in, does some changes to the strength and conditioning program and suddenly the 2016 Giants are one of the healthiest teams. After Wellman left, it seemed to go to shit again. But over his tenure it seemed injuries were down overall.
What did Wellman do differently than what happened in all the other years before and after him?
But , each injury is a unique set of circumstances . Barkley has had 3 significant, non-contact related injuries . Jones probably doesn’t have the survival instincts that Eli had, such as don’t drop your helmet and pads and slam into a Cowboy linebacker . Martinez , who was playing terribly at the time , tried to plant and change direction in the flat . He was in a very poor athletic posture . Do the field surface , footwear & lack of flexibility training have anything to do with this ? Who knows ?
Above somebody noted how the Giants seemed unprepared to start the season . Judge was terrified of injuries . I remember his him saying that it takes you four games to figure out what you have on your roster. Wait a minute . Everybody has the same slate of realities . To me , that statement was a fireable offense . Right up there with it takes 2 seasons to teach a guy how to practice properly . Wha? These guys have been going to practice since Pop Warner . They are included in the group that did the best over the years . That’s why they are in the NFL.
What annoys me is this is not an area where there are any secrets withheld . All of these strength and conditioning coaches , as well as the trainers , go to yearly conventions to discuss advancements and improvements . They receive certifications for completing new studies . Hell all of this stuff is available online .
Lastly Ronnie Barnes -no offense -but only on the Giants would a guy fail up into a VP position . If nothing more than to make an organization-wide statement that this health record has to improve , will improve, Barnes should have been let go awhile ago .
No question, it certainly can't help.
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you also have to factor in the long term wear and tear that comes from practicing and playing on turf.
Pretty sure the Giants practice fields are grass.
Outdoor yes, but I'm guessing their indoor practice field(s) are turf.
Do they practice indoors more often than necessary? I have no idea.