Q. Joe, would you say even though the tackles were very close, would you say Neal was your No. 1 tackle?
JOE SCHOEN: They were very close, yeah. We had them side-by-side.
Q. So why did you pick him?
JOE SCHOEN: Because Ickey was gone at six.
Q. In terms of the other tackles --
JOE SCHOEN: We thought there was a drop off in pass rushers, and those two were still there, so it played itself out.
I read this as, they were side by side, so with one being gone, we picked the other....not that Icky was rated higher...
correct that's exactly how it reads.
but isn't it convention to say the guy you picked was your OT1? Isn't saying anything except "evan was our top tackle" an admission he may not have been?
they could have been side by side but if Carolina picked someone else they would have had to pick 1 of them and that answer doesn't make me think it was definitely going to be Neal.
that's true, but once he said they were side by side, he had to go with the second answer.....im surprised he didn't say Neal was their OT1 too....its actually kind of refreshing.
But Neal is easier to plug into the right tackle spot as a rookie because he spent a year there whereas Ekwonu has spent all his time on the left side.
the extended Mara family is finally delegating personnel decisions to folks who are competent to make them. Both Schoen and Brandon Brown are impressive.
that's true, but once he said they were side by side, he had to go with the second answer.....im surprised he didn't say Neal was their OT1 too....its actually kind of refreshing.
agreed, i honestly don't care either way - i liked both of them, vegas liked both of them, the expert consensus liked both of them, it's refreshing to hear a guy who seems to answer honestly.
the extended Mara family is finally delegating personnel decisions to folks who are competent to make them. Both Schoen and Brandon Brown are impressive.
That’s my immediate reaction too. I’ve been harsh on Mara et al lately, but feels like they hired a smart guy in Schoen, and have empowered him to hire other smart guys to surround him. They seem to have a good feel for how the process works…especially working together with the coaches, not having competing agendas
All talk until we start winning games, but cautiously optimistic Mara and company made the right changes so far.
Tisch on the far end of the table from Mara ownership, separated by HC, GM and Asst GM. 2nd row in the middle, right over the shoulder of Schoen, were Petit and O'Brien...both about to be shown the door...with Mara nephew beside them. Abrams and Triggs even farther back.
Joe's manner in front of the camera reminded me of Eli
Eli caught crap for being predictable and controlled but, over the years, it became comforting. It reflected his focus, level-headed leadership and his quiet confidence.
And that one was a really good one! That war room looks very professional, seems top notch really. I am going to look for video of other teams draft rooms and see how it compares.
Our draft room this year was about a billion times better than a single laptop, a cell phone, a big ass binder, some legal pads and reading glasses.
Not sure what was better...when Neal said I am a Giant or
Q. Joe, would you say even though the tackles were very close, would you say Neal was your No. 1 tackle?
JOE SCHOEN: They were very close, yeah. We had them side-by-side.
Q. So why did you pick him?
JOE SCHOEN: Because Ickey was gone at six.
Q. In terms of the other tackles --
JOE SCHOEN: We thought there was a drop off in pass rushers, and those two were still there, so it played itself out.
I read this as, they were side by side, so with one being gone, we picked the other....not that Icky was rated higher...
Yup. I interpreted as if Neal was picked by Panthers, Schoen would be happy to pick Ickey. It’s just in this case it was Neal to us.
Based on Giants beat reporters, I think Neal was OT1 but very close margin.
They had zoom call with Neal a week before and Daboll connection to Saban and Alabama could’ve been huge.
Definitely Cross OT1 is misdirection by Schoen and Giants. Great work by Schoen.
As a giant fan for almost 75 years my comment after reading all the up
beat, love threads is this. I’ll wait to see how all the gushing reviews read inthe gloom of winter. One thing i’ve learned in these years is that the Giants are guaranteed to break your heart.
Seems clear those three were Thibs, Ickey, & Neal.
On a separate note, how awesome is it that Schoen is providing fans with this access. Yes, I know it’s an edited video, but he’s making an effort to build trust with the fans with these videos. I cannot remember any video like this when DG was the GM.
I don’t expect the Giants to be a good team this year, but I expect them to at least be a fun team to watch.
Our excitement is rooted in the off-season. That said, this was well done. It is clear the Giants have a plan. There are some parallels between things we are seeing and things buffalo did. Buffalo of course hit with Josh Allen, which is huge, but they have been successful.
My hope is in 2022 the Giants are competitive and enjoyable to watch.
RE: Am I the only one who liked our past draft room more?
knowing there's a growing image of them as meddlers, are consciously staying in the background when the cameras are rolling.
There is cause for optimism, but just remember, the Giants are aware of the criticism and this was a heavily-edited production. They are not going to show the family members speaking up (if they did at all).
Were the biggest winners of this offseason by far.
Imagine being hired to a job where you're asked to make the decision making and future of your company look good, yet the guy you have to highlight is Dave Gettleman. On top of being a horrible GM, he put his foot in his mouth every time he talked, was snotty with reporters and overall disliked around the league.
Now walks in the new guy. Young, intelligent, good looking and an overall humble demeanor, pair him with a coach that isn't in a full fledged pep talk every time he opens his mouth and all the sudden you have a pair you can be proud to display to the fan base.
The cherry on top is your first pick, Kayvon Thibodeaux, who is yet to prove himself on the field, but still has proven he can provide good sound bites and be a compelling focus for all types of marketing content, it helps he plays a premium position.
I would venture to guess that our social media team has had the ability to put these videos together for years but there was always a "do we really want to highlight these guys?" question lingering.
I am assuming that Stingley is the guy we didnt want
if we had 3 at 5 we liked, 1 out of the top 4 was not in the top 6. Cross was definitely not in the top 6 since Schoen said later that he had Icky and neal the same.
It has to be Stingley or Walker. Stingley maybe for medicals and possibly Walker because maybe they dont see him as a true edge and more of a 3/4 DE.
Thibs had character concerns. He seems like an outgoing, smart guy.
This interview Schmelk did pre-draft with Matt Miller ended up holding up very well. He actually mocked Thibodeaux to the giants at 5.
when talking about Thibodeaux he said he heard directly from a GM who was far enough down that they weren't going to get Thibodeaux, that the concern was that he does care about his offield brand but their team was comfortable with it and had him on their board because there was no question about his character or football character beyond that. Which seems to be exactly how the new york giants viewed it.
in general this is a really interesting pre-draft podcast to listen to because Miller really had everything pegged. He had Thibs/Cross to nyg in round 1 then had them looking corner in round 2 with Elam, Booth, McCreary. Which is basically exactly how things played out. https://www.giants.com/podcasts/giants-huddle-matt-miller - ( New Window )
beat, love threads is this. I’ll wait to see how all the gushing reviews read inthe gloom of winter. One thing i’ve learned in these years is that the Giants are guaranteed to break your heart.
Just curious, did you feel this way while you were celebrating the 4 Super Bowl championships?
I know this last decade has sucked, but come one...we have had a least a few non-heartbreak seasons:). You want heartbreak, go talk to a Jets fan, Browns fan, Lions fan....or a Viking fan...very underrated franchise in the heartbreak category!
RE: RE: As a giant fan for almost 75 years my comment after reading all the up
beat, love threads is this. I’ll wait to see how all the gushing reviews read inthe gloom of winter. One thing i’ve learned in these years is that the Giants are guaranteed to break your heart.
Just curious, did you feel this way while you were celebrating the 4 Super Bowl championships?
I know this last decade has sucked, but come one...we have had a least a few non-heartbreak seasons:). You want heartbreak, go talk to a Jets fan, Browns fan, Lions fan....or a Viking fan...very underrated franchise in the heartbreak category!
how about Bills fans, Bengals fans, Bears fans, Charger fans, Jaguar fans, Texans fans, Chiefs fans until 3 yrs ago, this could go on.
Yeah, it's been bad for 10 years, but the Giants are still the only team to have won a SB in each of the last 4 decades. And we still have time to make it 5.
This sounds fantastic. And a very big breath of fresh air other than “gold jacket” “best players” etc. they really feel like they have players they like who are talented (esp Thib and Neal) that fit what they want to do. Whether we agree with picks or see some as “reaches”, they have a plan on how to utilize these guys
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Q. Joe, would you say even though the tackles were very close, would you say Neal was your No. 1 tackle?
JOE SCHOEN: They were very close, yeah. We had them side-by-side.
Q. So why did you pick him?
JOE SCHOEN: Because Ickey was gone at six.
Q. In terms of the other tackles --
JOE SCHOEN: We thought there was a drop off in pass rushers, and those two were still there, so it played itself out.
I read this as, they were side by side, so with one being gone, we picked the other....not that Icky was rated higher...
correct that's exactly how it reads.
but isn't it convention to say the guy you picked was your OT1? Isn't saying anything except "evan was our top tackle" an admission he may not have been?
they could have been side by side but if Carolina picked someone else they would have had to pick 1 of them and that answer doesn't make me think it was definitely going to be Neal.
that's true, but once he said they were side by side, he had to go with the second answer.....im surprised he didn't say Neal was their OT1 too....its actually kind of refreshing.
that's true, but once he said they were side by side, he had to go with the second answer.....im surprised he didn't say Neal was their OT1 too....its actually kind of refreshing.
agreed, i honestly don't care either way - i liked both of them, vegas liked both of them, the expert consensus liked both of them, it's refreshing to hear a guy who seems to answer honestly.
How did the production team miss that 😂
That’s my immediate reaction too. I’ve been harsh on Mara et al lately, but feels like they hired a smart guy in Schoen, and have empowered him to hire other smart guys to surround him. They seem to have a good feel for how the process works…especially working together with the coaches, not having competing agendas
All talk until we start winning games, but cautiously optimistic Mara and company made the right changes so far.
I wonder who the guy was who fell out of the top 7 AFTER the interviews?
Travon Walker maybe? Charles Cross?
A new day is upon us.
Our draft room this year was about a billion times better than a single laptop, a cell phone, a big ass binder, some legal pads and reading glasses.
Haha...
Who stumbled into a F1 garage. Impressive Draft Room crew , at last !
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Q. Joe, would you say even though the tackles were very close, would you say Neal was your No. 1 tackle?
JOE SCHOEN: They were very close, yeah. We had them side-by-side.
Q. So why did you pick him?
JOE SCHOEN: Because Ickey was gone at six.
Q. In terms of the other tackles --
JOE SCHOEN: We thought there was a drop off in pass rushers, and those two were still there, so it played itself out.
I read this as, they were side by side, so with one being gone, we picked the other....not that Icky was rated higher...
Yup. I interpreted as if Neal was picked by Panthers, Schoen would be happy to pick Ickey. It’s just in this case it was Neal to us.
Based on Giants beat reporters, I think Neal was OT1 but very close margin.
They had zoom call with Neal a week before and Daboll connection to Saban and Alabama could’ve been huge.
Definitely Cross OT1 is misdirection by Schoen and Giants. Great work by Schoen.
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On a separate note, how awesome is it that Schoen is providing fans with this access. Yes, I know it’s an edited video, but he’s making an effort to build trust with the fans with these videos. I cannot remember any video like this when DG was the GM.
I don’t expect the Giants to be a good team this year, but I expect them to at least be a fun team to watch.
My hope is in 2022 the Giants are competitive and enjoyable to watch.
Nice 3-ring binder. What page do you think Saquon is on?
knowing there's a growing image of them as meddlers, are consciously staying in the background when the cameras are rolling.
knowing there's a growing image of them as meddlers, are consciously staying in the background when the cameras are rolling.
There is cause for optimism, but just remember, the Giants are aware of the criticism and this was a heavily-edited production. They are not going to show the family members speaking up (if they did at all).
Imagine being hired to a job where you're asked to make the decision making and future of your company look good, yet the guy you have to highlight is Dave Gettleman. On top of being a horrible GM, he put his foot in his mouth every time he talked, was snotty with reporters and overall disliked around the league.
Now walks in the new guy. Young, intelligent, good looking and an overall humble demeanor, pair him with a coach that isn't in a full fledged pep talk every time he opens his mouth and all the sudden you have a pair you can be proud to display to the fan base.
The cherry on top is your first pick, Kayvon Thibodeaux, who is yet to prove himself on the field, but still has proven he can provide good sound bites and be a compelling focus for all types of marketing content, it helps he plays a premium position.
I would venture to guess that our social media team has had the ability to put these videos together for years but there was always a "do we really want to highlight these guys?" question lingering.
It has to be Stingley or Walker. Stingley maybe for medicals and possibly Walker because maybe they dont see him as a true edge and more of a 3/4 DE.
This interview Schmelk did pre-draft with Matt Miller ended up holding up very well. He actually mocked Thibodeaux to the giants at 5.
when talking about Thibodeaux he said he heard directly from a GM who was far enough down that they weren't going to get Thibodeaux, that the concern was that he does care about his offield brand but their team was comfortable with it and had him on their board because there was no question about his character or football character beyond that. Which seems to be exactly how the new york giants viewed it.
in general this is a really interesting pre-draft podcast to listen to because Miller really had everything pegged. He had Thibs/Cross to nyg in round 1 then had them looking corner in round 2 with Elam, Booth, McCreary. Which is basically exactly how things played out.
https://www.giants.com/podcasts/giants-huddle-matt-miller - ( New Window )
So what if it was a puff marketing piece?? Still great/fun to see some behind the scenes stuff
Please elaborate.
Just curious, did you feel this way while you were celebrating the 4 Super Bowl championships?
I know this last decade has sucked, but come one...we have had a least a few non-heartbreak seasons:). You want heartbreak, go talk to a Jets fan, Browns fan, Lions fan....or a Viking fan...very underrated franchise in the heartbreak category!
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beat, love threads is this. I’ll wait to see how all the gushing reviews read inthe gloom of winter. One thing i’ve learned in these years is that the Giants are guaranteed to break your heart.
Just curious, did you feel this way while you were celebrating the 4 Super Bowl championships?
I know this last decade has sucked, but come one...we have had a least a few non-heartbreak seasons:). You want heartbreak, go talk to a Jets fan, Browns fan, Lions fan....or a Viking fan...very underrated franchise in the heartbreak category!
how about Bills fans, Bengals fans, Bears fans, Charger fans, Jaguar fans, Texans fans, Chiefs fans until 3 yrs ago, this could go on.
Yeah, it's been bad for 10 years, but the Giants are still the only team to have won a SB in each of the last 4 decades. And we still have time to make it 5.