The only way Arch Manning ends up a Giant is if either something goes really, really wrong with the Giants - or something goes really, really wrong with Arch Manning.
Indeed. It was a different time, but Peyton was under intense pressure when he got recruited, too, especially because his dad went to Ole Miss. Choosing Tennessee cheated a huge uproar at Ole Miss and Archie.
Fortunately for Arch, he has some excellent family resources to lean on.
Against average competition, he really doesn’t wow me. What do I know but from where he currently is to a future NFL # 1 pick seems like a stretch. He may actually be a better basketball player than QB right now.
RE: I thought this was in reference to the Giants.
The only way Arch Manning ends up a Giant is if either something goes really, really wrong with the Giants - or something goes really, really wrong with Arch Manning.
I love the LSU uniforms, but I would not want to play for Brian Kelly. Notre Dame has an iffy schedule. Georgia would be high on my list, as would Stanford. Clemson I would consider, but apparently their offense is not really an NFL style offense.
The only way Arch Manning ends up a Giant is if either something goes really, really wrong with the Giants - or something goes really, really wrong with Arch Manning.
A lot can happen in 4 years, but yeah, if the NYG are still ass by the time he is draft eligible, we are probably looking at another regime change.
In comment 15705382 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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where would you go?
I love the LSU uniforms, but I would not want to play for Brian Kelly. Notre Dame has an iffy schedule. Georgia would be high on my list, as would Stanford. Clemson I would consider, but apparently their offense is not really an NFL style offense.
Probably in the end I'd pick up the Harvard hat!
He should throw everyone a curve ball and choose Indiana or Rutgers.
Against average competition, he really doesn’t wow me. What do I know but from where he currently is to a future NFL # 1 pick seems like a stretch. He may actually be a better basketball player than QB right now.
Seems to fill all the obvious checkboxes, decent to good athleticism, very good size, whatever a good high school arm is...
In comment 15705382 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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where would you go?
I love the LSU uniforms, but I would not want to play for Brian Kelly. Notre Dame has an iffy schedule. Georgia would be high on my list, as would Stanford. Clemson I would consider, but apparently their offense is not really an NFL style offense.
Probably in the end I'd pick up the Harvard hat!
He should consider Southern Cal. Riley is a terrific QB whisperer and Arch could not take baton once Caleb Williams leaves for the NFL.
A third NFL player from that family (particularly QB) is a longshot.
This is a weird comment. Are you talking mathematical where all things are equal? If so, why? It's not a long shot when you have the size he has, the legs he has, the arm he has, and, of course, the family he comes from.
It would be a lot of unnecessary pressure on the kid
to play for the Giants, Colts, or even the Broncos. Almost anywhere else, and he doesn't have to face the constant questions and comparisons. OTOH, Eli had the balls to play for Old Miss where his dad is considered a god. Peyton didn't.
A third NFL player from that family (particularly QB) is a longshot.
Lol...ok...and why exactly? Because no one ever produced two? That has no bearing on whether Archie reaches pro potential. If anything, it bodes well for him because he's likely going to be emotionally and physically prepared for the NFL rigors.
Manning really likes Athens, GA and calls it the ‘best college town.’ He reportedly has struck up a relationship with UGA OC and really likes Kirby Smart.
Manning really likes Athens, GA and calls it the ‘best college town.’ He reportedly has struck up a relationship with UGA OC and really likes Kirby Smart.
He has been to Athens a couple of times. I was there during one of the weekends and while I didn't see him, everyone was talking about him being in town and creating quite the buzz.
It's between Texas and Georgia, with Bama now dropping into 3rd because they landed some other top QB prospect. At least that's what I heard.
How nice it would be for him to be Bulldog and a someday NY Giant...
He has been to Athens a couple of times. I was there during one of the weekends and while I didn't see him, everyone was talking about him being in town and creating quite the buzz.
It's between Texas and Georgia, with Bama now dropping into 3rd because they landed some other top QB prospect. At least that's what I heard.
How nice it would be for him to be Bulldog and a someday NY Giant...
You might be thinking of Ty Simpson. Bama signed him for 2022. He's a very intriguing dual threat QB. But I think Arch is a better pocket passer prospect.
I was at UVa a couple of weeks ago to watch UVa baseball. Arch made an unexpected visit. His mom went there...
If memory serves me correctly, Eli had UVa high on his list at one point...
The Athletic article indicates it came down to Ole Miss & UVA, with the Cutliff hire/Ole Miss free of NCCA violations being the draws that reeled in Eli.
In comment 15705382 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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where would you go?
I love the LSU uniforms, but I would not want to play for Brian Kelly. Notre Dame has an iffy schedule. Georgia would be high on my list, as would Stanford. Clemson I would consider, but apparently their offense is not really an NFL style offense.
Probably in the end I'd pick up the Harvard hat!
Just read an article that seems to think Georgia is in the lead. Zero Shot For ND IMO. One thing is for sure. That family seems. To know how to handle the pressure of that name like few others
The wild thing to me with all the Mannings born & raised in Louisiana-Cooper, Peyton, Eli, & Arch-is that apparently LSU, ya know only a football behemoth 80 miles away, never got serious consideration from any of them.
I've also read that if his last name was Arch Smith...
The wild thing to me with all the Mannings born & raised in Louisiana-Cooper, Peyton, Eli, & Arch-is that apparently LSU, ya know only a football behemoth 80 miles away, never got serious consideration from any of them.
It may be different now because LSU poured a ton of money into their facilities and now have some of the best in college football. They have had better coaching the last two decades - starting with Saban - but the facilities are a big, big sell.
That's one of the main reasons why Kelly ditched ND.
The wild thing to me with all the Mannings born & raised in Louisiana-Cooper, Peyton, Eli, & Arch-is that apparently LSU, ya know only a football behemoth 80 miles away, never got serious consideration from any of them.
Sure they did. It’s not over yet either and this is all just rumors
RE: I've also read that if his last name was Arch Smith...
We'll see. At LSU, it is national championship or bust. Their last 3 head coaches have won national championships. If Kelly doesn't win one, he'll go down as a failure in Baton Rouge. And I have my doubts in a conference with Saban & Smart.
& Kelly-@ ND @ least-wasn't exactly Mr. Recruiter. He'd fly in @ the last second if need be, but he was pretty hands off. Marcus Freeman is the exact opposite.
I'm pretty sure Cooper, Peyton, & Eli never had LSU as serious contenders. & while the Ole Miss fan base was pissed Peyton choose Tennesse, it is well documented that if Cooper doesn't end up quitting football because of spinal stenosis, Peyton is a Rebel.
I'm pretty sure Cooper, Peyton, & Eli never had LSU as serious contenders. & while the Ole Miss fan base was pissed Peyton choose Tennesse, it is well documented that if Cooper doesn't end up quitting football because of spinal stenosis, Peyton is a Rebel.
Yeah, I never cared about SEC football back then so didn’t follow that drama.
I'm pretty sure Cooper, Peyton, & Eli never had LSU as serious contenders. & while the Ole Miss fan base was pissed Peyton choose Tennesse, it is well documented that if Cooper doesn't end up quitting football because of spinal stenosis, Peyton is a Rebel.
That's an interesting thought. I choose to think Coop would have transferred to Rocky Top... ;)
The Athletic had a good earlier last week about Matt Luke calling it quits. I gotta admit...when I first head that, I found it suspicious. But it turns out he threw in the towel because he has a ton in the bank, wants to see his kids grow up, & is sick of recruiting 24-7-365. It actually was quite refreshing.
We'll see. At LSU, it is national championship or bust. Their last 3 head coaches have won national championships. If Kelly doesn't win one, he'll go down as a failure in Baton Rouge. And I have my doubts in a conference with Saban & Smart.
& Kelly-@ ND @ least-wasn't exactly Mr. Recruiter. He'd fly in @ the last second if need be, but he was pretty hands off. Marcus Freeman is the exact opposite.
You are correct. It is NC or bust in Death Valley.
Fortunately for BK, that state is loaded with great talent that wants to go there. It's an incredible pipeline. And talent from neighboring states want to go there. So, there are going to be NO excuses for talent concerns...
Seems a preference to stay in the SEC for now but things can change.
Kelly is a very good HC. I think the thing he will find most challenging is the schedule. The SEC West is becoming very competitive again. About 10 years ago they had four teams in the top 10 and this was without A@M. Miss St, Ole Miss, Arkansas are on the upswing. Bama is Bama and I would not expect Auburn to stay down.
A third NFL player from that family (particularly QB) is a longshot.
This is a weird comment. Are you talking mathematical where all things are equal? If so, why? It's not a long shot when you have the size he has, the legs he has, the arm he has, and, of course, the family he comes from.
I'm just going by the sons of great NFL players, translating to QBs.
Phil Simms had two sons for QBs, but neither as good as him.
Oliver Luck produced Andrew Luck.
Archie Manning was admittedly very good on a bad team. To produce two Hall of Fame QBs is impressive. A third would be crazy.
Going to other positions, you have Howie Long and his OL/DL sons, neither of which will be HoF to my knowledge.
John Bosa didn't have a remarkable NFL career but his sons Joey and Nick are on HoF tracks, mostly because he's been teaching them pass rushing moves since they were little.
A third NFL player from that family (particularly QB) is a longshot.
This is a weird comment. Are you talking mathematical where all things are equal? If so, why? It's not a long shot when you have the size he has, the legs he has, the arm he has, and, of course, the family he comes from.
I'm just going by the sons of great NFL players, translating to QBs.
Phil Simms had two sons for QBs, but neither as good as him.
Oliver Luck produced Andrew Luck.
Archie Manning was admittedly very good on a bad team. To produce two Hall of Fame QBs is impressive. A third would be crazy.
Going to other positions, you have Howie Long and his OL/DL sons, neither of which will be HoF to my knowledge.
John Bosa didn't have a remarkable NFL career but his sons Joey and Nick are on HoF tracks, mostly because he's been teaching them pass rushing moves since they were little.
We'll see what happens with Arch Manning.
Not for nothing, but none of those examples mean squat.
Archie and his sons were all clearly superior football players. The elite actually, when you think of the population at hand.
Arch is already a great HS player and now being courted by the highest level football colleges in the land. The stage is set for him to be the next elite Manning.
The expectations are high of course, maybe even too high. But are they really worth challenging based on what we know with this family?
It's about colleges competing to land Arch Manning for their college.
Indeed. It was a different time, but Peyton was under intense pressure when he got recruited, too, especially because his dad went to Ole Miss. Choosing Tennessee cheated a huge uproar at Ole Miss and Archie.
Fortunately for Arch, he has some excellent family resources to lean on.
I have a feeling Arch ends up at LSU.
Or Arch forces a trade like Eli did... :-)
We play defense in the Big12...But not to well..It is also that our schools play great offense, and that tends to make everyone 's Defense look bad..
I love the LSU uniforms, but I would not want to play for Brian Kelly. Notre Dame has an iffy schedule. Georgia would be high on my list, as would Stanford. Clemson I would consider, but apparently their offense is not really an NFL style offense.
Probably in the end I'd pick up the Harvard hat!
Unless he doesn’t want to go there :)
A lot can happen in 4 years, but yeah, if the NYG are still ass by the time he is draft eligible, we are probably looking at another regime change.
A third NFL player from that family (particularly QB) is a longshot.
I love the LSU uniforms, but I would not want to play for Brian Kelly. Notre Dame has an iffy schedule. Georgia would be high on my list, as would Stanford. Clemson I would consider, but apparently their offense is not really an NFL style offense.
Probably in the end I'd pick up the Harvard hat!
He should throw everyone a curve ball and choose Indiana or Rutgers.
Seems to fill all the obvious checkboxes, decent to good athleticism, very good size, whatever a good high school arm is...
I love the LSU uniforms, but I would not want to play for Brian Kelly. Notre Dame has an iffy schedule. Georgia would be high on my list, as would Stanford. Clemson I would consider, but apparently their offense is not really an NFL style offense.
Probably in the end I'd pick up the Harvard hat!
He should consider Southern Cal. Riley is a terrific QB whisperer and Arch could not take baton once Caleb Williams leaves for the NFL.
A third NFL player from that family (particularly QB) is a longshot.
This is a weird comment. Are you talking mathematical where all things are equal? If so, why? It's not a long shot when you have the size he has, the legs he has, the arm he has, and, of course, the family he comes from.
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A third NFL player from that family (particularly QB) is a longshot.
Lol...ok...and why exactly? Because no one ever produced two? That has no bearing on whether Archie reaches pro potential. If anything, it bodes well for him because he's likely going to be emotionally and physically prepared for the NFL rigors.
He has been to Athens a couple of times. I was there during one of the weekends and while I didn't see him, everyone was talking about him being in town and creating quite the buzz.
It's between Texas and Georgia, with Bama now dropping into 3rd because they landed some other top QB prospect. At least that's what I heard.
How nice it would be for him to be Bulldog and a someday NY Giant...
He has been to Athens a couple of times. I was there during one of the weekends and while I didn't see him, everyone was talking about him being in town and creating quite the buzz.
It's between Texas and Georgia, with Bama now dropping into 3rd because they landed some other top QB prospect. At least that's what I heard.
How nice it would be for him to be Bulldog and a someday NY Giant...
You might be thinking of Ty Simpson. Bama signed him for 2022. He's a very intriguing dual threat QB. But I think Arch is a better pocket passer prospect.
I was at UVa a couple of weeks ago to watch UVa baseball. Arch made an unexpected visit. His mom went there...
If memory serves me correctly, Eli had UVa high on his list at one point...
I love the LSU uniforms, but I would not want to play for Brian Kelly. Notre Dame has an iffy schedule. Georgia would be high on my list, as would Stanford. Clemson I would consider, but apparently their offense is not really an NFL style offense.
Probably in the end I'd pick up the Harvard hat!
Just read an article that seems to think Georgia is in the lead. Zero Shot For ND IMO. One thing is for sure. That family seems. To know how to handle the pressure of that name like few others
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It may be different now because LSU poured a ton of money into their facilities and now have some of the best in college football. They have had better coaching the last two decades - starting with Saban - but the facilities are a big, big sell.
That's one of the main reasons why Kelly ditched ND.
Sure they did. It’s not over yet either and this is all just rumors
Your challenging these bloodlines at this point? That’s nuts…
& Kelly-@ ND @ least-wasn't exactly Mr. Recruiter. He'd fly in @ the last second if need be, but he was pretty hands off. Marcus Freeman is the exact opposite.
Yeah, I never cared about SEC football back then so didn’t follow that drama.
But now times are different :-)
That's an interesting thought. I choose to think Coop would have transferred to Rocky Top... ;)
& Kelly-@ ND @ least-wasn't exactly Mr. Recruiter. He'd fly in @ the last second if need be, but he was pretty hands off. Marcus Freeman is the exact opposite.
You are correct. It is NC or bust in Death Valley.
Fortunately for BK, that state is loaded with great talent that wants to go there. It's an incredible pipeline. And talent from neighboring states want to go there. So, there are going to be NO excuses for talent concerns...
Kelly is a very good HC. I think the thing he will find most challenging is the schedule. The SEC West is becoming very competitive again. About 10 years ago they had four teams in the top 10 and this was without A@M. Miss St, Ole Miss, Arkansas are on the upswing. Bama is Bama and I would not expect Auburn to stay down.
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overachieved producing 2 successful NFL QB sons.
A third NFL player from that family (particularly QB) is a longshot.
This is a weird comment. Are you talking mathematical where all things are equal? If so, why? It's not a long shot when you have the size he has, the legs he has, the arm he has, and, of course, the family he comes from.
I'm just going by the sons of great NFL players, translating to QBs.
Phil Simms had two sons for QBs, but neither as good as him.
Oliver Luck produced Andrew Luck.
Archie Manning was admittedly very good on a bad team. To produce two Hall of Fame QBs is impressive. A third would be crazy.
Going to other positions, you have Howie Long and his OL/DL sons, neither of which will be HoF to my knowledge.
John Bosa didn't have a remarkable NFL career but his sons Joey and Nick are on HoF tracks, mostly because he's been teaching them pass rushing moves since they were little.
We'll see what happens with Arch Manning.
If memory serves me correctly, Eli had UVa high on his list at one point...
Yes, the word at the time was his decision came down to Ole Miss and UVA. Alas, he made the wrong choice.
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In comment 15705399 NINEster said:
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overachieved producing 2 successful NFL QB sons.
A third NFL player from that family (particularly QB) is a longshot.
This is a weird comment. Are you talking mathematical where all things are equal? If so, why? It's not a long shot when you have the size he has, the legs he has, the arm he has, and, of course, the family he comes from.
I'm just going by the sons of great NFL players, translating to QBs.
Phil Simms had two sons for QBs, but neither as good as him.
Oliver Luck produced Andrew Luck.
Archie Manning was admittedly very good on a bad team. To produce two Hall of Fame QBs is impressive. A third would be crazy.
Going to other positions, you have Howie Long and his OL/DL sons, neither of which will be HoF to my knowledge.
John Bosa didn't have a remarkable NFL career but his sons Joey and Nick are on HoF tracks, mostly because he's been teaching them pass rushing moves since they were little.
We'll see what happens with Arch Manning.
Not for nothing, but none of those examples mean squat.
Archie and his sons were all clearly superior football players. The elite actually, when you think of the population at hand.
Arch is already a great HS player and now being courted by the highest level football colleges in the land. The stage is set for him to be the next elite Manning.
The expectations are high of course, maybe even too high. But are they really worth challenging based on what we know with this family?