I think we're about to see a type of offensive system that is at the cutting edge of the NFL.
Whether the QB can handle it is a different subject, but the mix of what Daboll did in Buffalo, Kafka's experience in KC, and the skill set of newly acquired Robinson to go along with Toney, I just get the sense we're going into unchartered for Giants fans.
I also think we're going to see Saquon's pass receptions #s to approach his rookie season numbers (if he stays healthy and/or doesn't get traded in season).
A lot more in the article but either way it's at least understandable why schoen would roll the dice on 2 key of the brains behind those offenses leading this one forward (wherever that goes).
How the Bills and Chiefs Found Their Form—and Set Up the Best Divisional-Round Matchup - ( New Window )
We're certainly going to stress linebackers and safeties a ton with Barkley, Robinson, and Toney.
I also think Jones will be able to get a better read on opposing defenses as we will motion a ton. When you motion your receivers, it helps the QB tell what kind of coverage the defense is employing.
The Giants were archaic with their lack of motion the last couple of seasons.
2018: 499/468, 51.6% pass - 16.8 PPG, Buffalo went 6-10 *Josh Allen's rookie season
2019: 513/465, 52.5% pass - 19.6 PPG, 10-6
2020: 596/411, 59.2% pass - 31.3 PPG, 13-3 *Stefon Diggs's first year
2021: 655/461, 58.7% pass - 28.4 PPG, 11-6
I expect 2022 to look like Buffalo's 2018. I think as Schoen turns the roster over and finds his QB and stud WR we may see them ramp up the passing to around the 60% number. Passing is what wins games.
2018: 499/468, 51.6% pass - 16.8 PPG, Buffalo went 6-10 *Josh Allen's rookie season
2019: 513/465, 52.5% pass - 19.6 PPG, 10-6
2020: 596/411, 59.2% pass - 31.3 PPG, 13-3 *Stefon Diggs's first year
2021: 655/461, 58.7% pass - 28.4 PPG, 11-6
I expect 2022 to look like Buffalo's 2018. I think as Schoen turns the roster over and finds his QB and stud WR we may see them ramp up the passing to around the 60% number. Passing is what wins games.
I'm not sure Daboll at the WRs to spread the Bills offense in his first couple of years. He may be able to do that sooner now. I really think that's why they "forced" the Robinson pick.
That's when we'll get a good feel for what's possible in the new game plan.
I agree with you that spreading the field in a pass heavy offense is where we're going, but I don't think we have the pieces. I think the offensive personnel is going to be hugely different in 2023 (no Jones, Barkley, Golladay, and maybe Toney), and then we'll start to see the influx of people to make this style of offense work.
I do expect to see Jones on several designed runs per game, but they will not run him into the ground. Hopefully they are working with him on protecting himself when he runs instead of the hero ball, 'run through the guy's chest with your head' stuff we have seen from him far too often.
Good point.
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Here are the Bills' pass/run ratios starting when Daboll took over as the OC in 2018:
2018: 499/468, 51.6% pass - 16.8 PPG, Buffalo went 6-10 *Josh Allen's rookie season
2019: 513/465, 52.5% pass - 19.6 PPG, 10-6
2020: 596/411, 59.2% pass - 31.3 PPG, 13-3 *Stefon Diggs's first year
2021: 655/461, 58.7% pass - 28.4 PPG, 11-6
I expect 2022 to look like Buffalo's 2018. I think as Schoen turns the roster over and finds his QB and stud WR we may see them ramp up the passing to around the 60% number. Passing is what wins games.
I'm not sure Daboll at the WRs to spread the Bills offense in his first couple of years. He may be able to do that sooner now. I really think that's why they "forced" the Robinson pick.
So is it possible Schoen and Daboll will let the Golladay contract play out since he doesn't appear to be a fit in the system? It's telling that they didn't get someone to replace him or as a good backup given his injury history (unless you want to rely on David Sills).
i expect he will almost function like Dawson Knox or Kelce in terms of how they use him as a receiver.
I agree with you that spreading the field in a pass heavy offense is where we're going, but I don't think we have the pieces. I think the offensive personnel is going to be hugely different in 2023 (no Jones, Barkley, Golladay, and maybe Toney), and then we'll start to see the influx of people to make this style of offense work.
I'm dying to know what Daboll/Kafka think about Golladay and how they plan to use him.
I can't imagine they want that contract on the books longer than needed.
Long-term roster building, I think the Giants ideally still want a QB1 (assuming Jones isn't the guy), WR1, and CB1.
I agree with you that spreading the field in a pass heavy offense is where we're going, but I don't think we have the pieces. I think the offensive personnel is going to be hugely different in 2023 (no Jones, Barkley, Golladay, and maybe Toney), and then we'll start to see the influx of people to make this style of offense work.
Not expecting a training wheels approach in 2022. The time for that has come and passed for Jones. Open up the playbook and whatever happens, you won't have any more questions at the end of the year.
2018 Buffalo they were working with a QB from Wyoming who through 56%. It was smart to be patient in that circumstance. Plus how much of that is McDermott dictating the gameplan?
Kadarius Toney and Wan'Dale Robinson set to explode under the Giants Kafka/Daboll system - ( New Window )
Kadarius Toney and Wan'Dale Robinson set to explode under the Giants Kafka/Daboll system - ( New Window )
Name another team that took a knee inside their own 5 yard line once last year; the Giants did it twice on consecutive plays. That’s cutting edge!
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I think those two do a good job. I've been watching them the past couple of weeks.
I also like listening to Nick Falato...that guy knows his stuff.
Judge and Garrett had more last year with Jones playing and Garrett's scheme was abysmal.
Definitely see a more balanced approach but it's going to a far more expensive (per play call, that is) than we've seen here in quite some time.
If Golladay, Toney and Robinson are healthy, these dudes will wreck.
they went from a 2015 offense with Shurmur to a 1999 offense with Garrett.
Judge and Garrett had more last year with Jones playing and Garrett's scheme was abysmal.
Definitely see a more balanced approach but it's going to a far more expensive (per play call, that is) than we've seen here in quite some time.
Plus the offensive line will allow them to do more. Solder was a turnstile out there. Solder, Price, and Skura are still unemployed. Hernandez was allowed to walk. RT and RG will be vastly improved. I think Feliciano is being underrated around here... and he knows Daboll's system so their will be no huge learning curve for him (which also helps out Jones with protection calls).
Go Terps, for now let's assume Jones is the QB (this year for sure) and say Eric is still right about what they will want to do with the system.
Toney will basically be the Davis/Hardman guy (Bills/Chiefs), Golladay will be the experienced WR the Sanders/Gordon guy (Bills/Chiefs). Robinson will be the Beasley guy (Chiefs didn't have another guy specifcially that fits this role) and what we are missing is our Diggs/Hill guy.
Barkley will be more the receiving threat than tyhe rushing threat in this new offense and could be the #1 weapon ala Hill/Diggs but coming out of the backfield or lining up wide.
What we become is VARIED, something we have not been in a LONG time.
Lots of ways to score points and best to have balance and be successful both ways based on the matchup and scheme however the percentages fall.
No doubt BD wants to spread it and air it especially with a elite QB and some outstanding weapons. Still it was not being able to run between the tackles that sent him home in Jan.
Go Terps, for now let's assume Jones is the QB (this year for sure) and say Eric is still right about what they will want to do with the system.
Toney will basically be the Davis/Hardman guy (Bills/Chiefs), Golladay will be the experienced WR the Sanders/Gordon guy (Bills/Chiefs). Robinson will be the Beasley guy (Chiefs didn't have another guy specifcially that fits this role) and what we are missing is our Diggs/Hill guy.
Barkley will be more the receiving threat than tyhe rushing threat in this new offense and could be the #1 weapon ala Hill/Diggs but coming out of the backfield or lining up wide.
What we become is VARIED, something we have not been in a LONG time.
I am not saying it will be a success but, you can see what it will resemble schematically. I think the Oline is a HUGE boost to anything we do and if Jones cna be more efficient with his runs- run less times by design and get more yards when the situation is presented that will open things up even more. Barkley catching the ball will be a big help and keep teams honest as well as reverses to Toney, Robinson and maybe Slayton (though I think he is shown the door soon).
Josh Allen was 8th in the NFL in intended air yards, which is a good measure of how deep the system wants targets to be. By contrast Mahomes was 25th.
Allen averaged 6.5 air yards per completion, Mahomes averaged 4.9.
I think Jones is much more of a poor man's Allen than Mahomes, and I think the offense will resemble the Bills more than the Chiefs.
I'll puke if Barkley gets 120 pass targets on a team with Golladay, Toney, and Robinson.
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We're certainly going to stress linebackers and safeties a ton with Barkley, Robinson, and Toney.
I also think Jones will be able to get a better read on opposing defenses as we will motion a ton. When you motion your receivers, it helps the QB tell what kind of coverage the defense is employing.
The Giants were archaic with their lack of motion the last couple of seasons.
Last couple of seasons? That made me laugh. The Giants have virtually never snapped the ball in my lifetime while a player was in motion. That kind of motion not only helps with pre-snap reads, it helps the receiver get quick separation.
Lots of ways to score points and best to have balance and be successful both ways based on the matchup and scheme however the percentages fall.
No doubt BD wants to spread it and air it especially with a elite QB and some outstanding weapons. Still it was not being able to run between the tackles that sent him home in Jan.
I don't think we're going in that direction.
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running game. Even more so if they go QB next draft.
Lots of ways to score points and best to have balance and be successful both ways based on the matchup and scheme however the percentages fall.
No doubt BD wants to spread it and air it especially with a elite QB and some outstanding weapons. Still it was not being able to run between the tackles that sent him home in Jan.
I don't think we're going in that direction.
It’s pretty surprising to me with BD’s background and I’ll hold ur out hope he’ll develop a strong running game but I agree it’s not likely. I’m also some not thrilled with the hire but I’m on board for now.
Lots of ways to score points and best to have balance and be successful both ways based on the matchup and scheme however the percentages fall.
No doubt BD wants to spread it and air it especially with a elite QB and some outstanding weapons. Still it was not being able to run between the tackles that sent him home in Jan.
Uh, no. Buffalo went out in the playoffs - in overtime - because their defense gave up 42 points despite the offense scoring 36.
It is important to have some running game, but it's no longer a needed centerpiece to be successful in today's NFL.
Josh Allen was 8th in the NFL in intended air yards, which is a good measure of how deep the system wants targets to be. By contrast Mahomes was 25th.
Allen averaged 6.5 air yards per completion, Mahomes averaged 4.9.
I think Jones is much more of a poor man's Allen than Mahomes, and I think the offense will resemble the Bills more than the Chiefs.
I'll puke if Barkley gets 120 pass targets on a team with Golladay, Toney, and Robinson.
Teams did a lot to take away the deep ball from Mahomes and the Chiefs in 2021 with that Fangio Two-High shell look. He was at 6.3 in 2020 and 6.5 in 2019. Gave him serious issues at the beginning of 2021.
But until Jones can execute an offense even at an average level, this is really just a dream...
Go Terps, for now let's assume Jones is the QB (this year for sure) and say Eric is still right about what they will want to do with the system.
Toney will basically be the Davis/Hardman guy (Bills/Chiefs), Golladay will be the experienced WR the Sanders/Gordon guy (Bills/Chiefs). Robinson will be the Beasley guy (Chiefs didn't have another guy specifcially that fits this role) and what we are missing is our Diggs/Hill guy.
Barkley will be more the receiving threat than tyhe rushing threat in this new offense and could be the #1 weapon ala Hill/Diggs but coming out of the backfield or lining up wide.
What we become is VARIED, something we have not been in a LONG time.
We don't want Barkley catching 90 balls. Barkley is a career 5.7 yards/target player.
It's comforting to blame Shurmur, Judge, and Garrett for the recent offensive ineptitude. But they weren't the only problem.
Our players are not good.
I have high hopes for the rookies, but they're still going to be rookies in 2022. The rest of the players - I wouldn't get used to seeing them around.
I expect the offense to struggle again in 2022; anything over 20 PPG would surprise me. We don't have the players. Schoen needs time to get them.
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running game. Even more so if they go QB next draft.
Lots of ways to score points and best to have balance and be successful both ways based on the matchup and scheme however the percentages fall.
No doubt BD wants to spread it and air it especially with a elite QB and some outstanding weapons. Still it was not being able to run between the tackles that sent him home in Jan.
Uh, no. Buffalo went out in the playoffs - in overtime - because their defense gave up 42 points despite the offense scoring 36.
It is important to have some running game, but it's no longer a needed centerpiece to be successful in today's NFL.
We don’t agree much on Qb’s and offensive football. Reality was KC was about to put that game away until Reid called a very strange play. Buffalo heated up when Matthieu was injured. That 65 yard air strike by Allen was at his replacement. Then Baker was in at corner on top of it.
KC 175 yards on the ground. Buff got exposed on the lines as often happens in playoff football.