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Who is your WR4?

HopePhil and Optimistic : 5/12/2022 6:53 pm
When we go 4 wide along with Golladay, Toney and Robinson? Assume Shepard is out to start the season, and Slayton is cut for cap space.

New guys like Foster, Proehl or James? Holdovers Board, Bachman, Sills, or Colin Johnson? Toivonen?

Or do you even consider using Breida as a moveable piece along with Saquan?

I like the idea of four speedsters along with Golladay as the safety blanket against single coverage against LBs on short to medium underneath stuff to move the chains. What about you?

Guessing  
uther99 : 5/12/2022 6:55 pm : link
Barkley or one of these skinny TEs
It's a little early to be talking depth chart  
bLiTz 2k : 5/12/2022 7:01 pm : link
When they haven't even had rookie mini camp or otas yet, don't ya think?

Right now Robinson is probably the 4th WR...a lot is going to change by August.
Don't  
AcidTest : 5/12/2022 7:04 pm : link
know. Slayton or maybe Foster, but both might not even be on the final 53. Most of our WRs are just journeymen. My guess is we pick up someone after cuts.
I think there's going to be a role for James  
Eric on Li : 5/12/2022 7:04 pm : link
using Buffalo as a template here's how I see it:

Diggs = Toney (all over guy defenses put their #1 on, won't get as many targets as diggs)
Sanders/Knox = Golladay (Golladay can play the big slot, Shep can take some of the Sanders role when healthy)
Beasley = Robinson (with more verticals)
McKenzie = James / Breida / Barkley

I think Daboll wants interchangeable receivers with speed so they can pick matchups they like and exploit them. bring different guys in motion and have defenders equally worried about a jet sweep/screen pass or a deep ball. give up cushion and they will take 5-10 yard dump offs. play up and they are taking shots over the top 1 on 1.

I agree Slayton is not long for the roster. I don't think Daboll wants a one trick pony where DBs can just sit back deep knowing slayton is unreliable in the intermediate levels. Golladay is also not a great fit but they are stuck with him so i think they will try to maximize him however they can.
Golladay, Johnson and Sills plus the 7 dwarfs  
Ivan15 : 5/12/2022 7:07 pm : link
Not a lot to choose from. It is going to be very crowded in the slot.

I know everyone feels Slayton is destined to be cut but if you put the cap issue aside, Slayton was the best receiver last year. That isn’t saying much but it is true.

They might keep him around for a while to see what they have in the new offense. Worst case, they may be able to trade him just before the season starts.
RE: It's a little early to be talking depth chart  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 5/12/2022 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15706821 bLiTz 2k said:
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When they haven't even had rookie mini camp or otas yet, don't ya think?

Right now Robinson is probably the 4th WR...a lot is going to change by August.


Nah, not at all. Just trying to gauge who others are most interested in to see emerge in whatever our new offense will be. I doubt Robinson is any less than #3 and will see lots of snaps. Him, Toney, Golladay, and Barkley’s usage will define our scheme. I’d expect the TE/H Back and 4th WR to split snaps. No clear favorite that I can see. Blitz, who are curious to see?
I think Daboll wants guys that create separation quickly  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 5/12/2022 7:25 pm : link
And catch on the run. Hopefully our QB can have initial success on the short routes until our OL starts to gel and provide more time for longer developing plays down field.

Also with more of a spread offense, more defenders in coverage means less pass rushers, and more time for the receivers to get open.

Sounds like Daboll wants to create a YAC offense  
GiantBlue : 5/12/2022 7:52 pm : link
Instead of the QB getting the ball to a specific place for big yard plays, Daboll wants to create big yards from shorter plays putting less emphasis on QB decision making and more emphasis on athletic moves by the skill players.

Interesting.

The only thing that concerns me is team defenses playing closer to the LOS creating a lot of traffic on those short to intermediate routes and all but snuffing the running game.
I don't think they let Slayton go - he is the one vertical threat  
PatersonPlank : 5/12/2022 7:53 pm : link
we have. He is our speed guy to blow out the top of the D, opening space for Toney, Robinson, and Shep (the quick guys). To me it still feels like Golladay is the odd man
RE: Sounds like Daboll wants to create a YAC offense  
AcidTest : 5/12/2022 7:54 pm : link
In comment 15706872 GiantBlue said:
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Instead of the QB getting the ball to a specific place for big yard plays, Daboll wants to create big yards from shorter plays putting less emphasis on QB decision making and more emphasis on athletic moves by the skill players.

Interesting.

The only thing that concerns me is team defenses playing closer to the LOS creating a lot of traffic on those short to intermediate routes and all but snuffing the running game.


Excellent analysis.
I’m going Barkley,  
Joe Beckwith : 5/12/2022 7:59 pm : link
Or some June 1 or early camp cut from somewhere that fits their roll of a 4 th wide.
Golladay, 3 speedy guys, and an Allen as the hot outlet could be fun to watch as the ball gets matriculated down the field.
Slayton.  
BigBlueNH : 5/12/2022 8:54 pm : link
How does cutting Slayton save us on the cap? He is scheduled to make $795K. That is one of the lowest salaries on the team. Anyone who replaces him is bound to make as much or more. He'll make the team if he is one ofthe top 6 performers in camp, and I expect he will be.
RE: Slayton.  
Eric on Li : 5/12/2022 9:08 pm : link
In comment 15706936 BigBlueNH said:
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How does cutting Slayton save us on the cap? He is scheduled to make $795K. That is one of the lowest salaries on the team. Anyone who replaces him is bound to make as much or more. He'll make the team if he is one ofthe top 6 performers in camp, and I expect he will be.


Slayton hit playing time performance bonuses from being a late round pick that increased his salary to 2.5m.
RE: Sounds like Daboll wants to create a YAC offense  
Eric on Li : 5/12/2022 9:12 pm : link
In comment 15706872 GiantBlue said:
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Instead of the QB getting the ball to a specific place for big yard plays, Daboll wants to create big yards from shorter plays putting less emphasis on QB decision making and more emphasis on athletic moves by the skill players.

Interesting.

The only thing that concerns me is team defenses playing closer to the LOS creating a lot of traffic on those short to intermediate routes and all but snuffing the running game.


Jones' best quality has been his deep ball and Robinson in particular hit a ton of deep balls at UK. Golladay was a vertical receiver until he met Jason Garrett (16 ypc for his career) and last year Toney showed he can go up for the ball downfield in his few games with Jones.

I think there's going to be a lot of short passes combined with more shots down field than average, not a ton in between. I'm sure they will have some quick crossers to keep the defense honest but i think the staples of the offense are going to be quick passes around the LOS and shots down the field.
WR4s rarely make an impact  
bluefin : 5/12/2022 9:51 pm : link
Barring injury  
Jay on the Island : 5/12/2022 10:35 pm : link
I think Richie James is a lock to make the roster He's a good return man plus he is like a poor mans Wan'Dale Robinson so Daboll and Kafka will utilize him on offense.
Special teams territory.  
Klaatu : 5/13/2022 6:38 am : link
Probably the most important factor. Maybe one of the taller guys to fill in after Golladay gets hurt.

As others have said, we'll probably see more of Barkley as a receiver, and maybe Jeremiah Hall, too, if they keep him.
Given that Daboll has never been a HC  
joe48 : 5/13/2022 3:45 pm : link
Who knows what the plans are for this offense? With the players and coaches it will be interesting to see what type of offense they run . I wouldn’t bet the ranch that we will be following what they did with the Bills. Different players and skill sets.
RE: Sounds like Daboll wants to create a YAC offense  
Thegratefulhead : 5/13/2022 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15706872 GiantBlue said:
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Instead of the QB getting the ball to a specific place for big yard plays, Daboll wants to create big yards from shorter plays putting less emphasis on QB decision making and more emphasis on athletic moves by the skill players.

Interesting.

The only thing that concerns me is team defenses playing closer to the LOS creating a lot of traffic on those short to intermediate routes and all but snuffing the running game.
That is the point, this offense wants to bring the defense up. Daboll and Kafka have attacked that in the past with deeper crossing routes, these player are nearly impossible to cover on these types crosses. The defender in the middle of the field has to choose which cross to cover and it becomes a very easy read and throw for the QB. BIG PLAYS. It is on these plays that Tyreek Hill seems to run forever.
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