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Tristan Wirfs

theking : 5/13/2022 8:57 am
I was discussing this with people at work, and am curious to know the opinion of others. Do we really know how good Tristan Wirfs is or is Tom Brady making everyone look good around him? I always remembered offensive line members of the Colts and Patriots receiving big contracts (Nate Solder, Brown..etc) and then not doing well with their other teams. Will we not truly know until Brady retires ?
Wirfs is definitely really good  
UConn4523 : 5/13/2022 9:05 am : link
but there's no question the talent around him helps make him better.
Solder  
Johnny5 : 5/13/2022 9:15 am : link
Was a decent player until his son get sick. He just never was the same player after that.
He's a beast.  
mittenedman : 5/13/2022 9:48 am : link
That said, you cannot discount circumstances, which play more of a role in guys busting/succeeding than people generally acknowledge.

Step into a well-oiled machine? Look good.

Step into a dysfunctional situation (IE the Giants of the last few years)? Bust.
Wirfs is a monster  
Eric on Li : 5/13/2022 10:10 am : link
I think i saw recently that he's up to like 340 pounds. He is just a freak athlete.

how he'd do as a LT is anyone's guess since he never played there so it could be a little worse or it could be the same but he is a monster either way.
RE: Solder  
christian : 5/13/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15707333 Johnny5 said:
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Was a decent player until his son get sick. He just never was the same player after that.


Nate Solder had one of his best seasons as a pro in New England after his son got sick.

Nate Solder wasn’t the same player because he was getting old and the Giants were a disaster.
Solder wife (or girlfriend) is from Plainville CT  
Carl in CT : 5/13/2022 10:24 am : link
He spent a lot of time with son (as he should) didn’t train and football was second fiddle. Good player while it lasted. Shouldn’t be bashed here. Did what all good dads should do. Restructured and was a team player. Can’t break his balls to bad as a person. The way he played taking money that part was bad.
I knew Solder was going to make bbi howl  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/13/2022 10:41 am : link
Tier 1 LTs don't show up in FA, so what exactly is he, getting a Tier 1 contract?

Of course he further went into steep decline and played like ass.
That was actually the frustrating  
pjcas18 : 5/13/2022 10:45 am : link
thing about the Solder contract.

Living in MA I watch a lot of Patriots games and Solder was toast. He was a turnstile at the end of his Pats career and everyone who watched the games knew it.

Brady got the ball out quick to neutralize a little bit of just how bad Solder was, but in no way did Brady make Solder look good. It was clear to many people what the Giants were getting with Solder, unfortunately not to Gettleman.

RE: RE: Solder  
Johnny5 : 5/13/2022 11:08 am : link
In comment 15707430 christian said:
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Was a decent player until his son get sick. He just never was the same player after that.



Nate Solder had one of his best seasons as a pro in New England after his son got sick.

Nate Solder wasn’t the same player because he was getting old and the Giants were a disaster.

When he first learned his son was sick he struggled big time and then came around to finish with one of his best seasons. It was all down hill from there, understandably. The Giants disaster didn't help him but I would guarantee his son being sick was a huge part of him becoming less of a player.
RE: Solder  
Blue21 : 5/13/2022 11:52 am : link
In comment 15707333 Johnny5 said:
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Was a decent player until his son get sick. He just never was the same player after that.
you know I never thought of that but he was pretty good when he was with the Pats. Maybe not a ProBowler but I wasn't against the Giants signing him.
Neal > Wirfs  
JonC : 5/13/2022 11:55 am : link
and Wirfs is really good and helped by the talent around him.
RE: Neal > Wirfs  
Eric on Li : 5/13/2022 12:03 pm : link
In comment 15707570 JonC said:
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and Wirfs is really good and helped by the talent around him.


that's an interesting hypothetical. It's a lofty bar to set for anyone to play at an all pro level very quickly, but Neal does come with experience on the left side while Wirfs has only ever played the right side.

think i'd take the known performer in wirfs for the nyg situation since the open spot is RT. but there would be risk in projecting wirfs to lt if thomas gets hurt again. Sewell was not good as a RT last year but very good when he went back to his natural LT after Decker got hurt.
Wirfs is outstanding  
Rick in Dallas : 5/13/2022 12:58 pm : link
Very athletic with solid technique
RE: That was actually the frustrating  
Giantimistic : 5/13/2022 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15707465 pjcas18 said:
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thing about the Solder contract.

Living in MA I watch a lot of Patriots games and Solder was toast. He was a turnstile at the end of his Pats career and everyone who watched the games knew it.

Brady got the ball out quick to neutralize a little bit of just how bad Solder was, but in no way did Brady make Solder look good. It was clear to many people what the Giants were getting with Solder, unfortunately not to Gettleman.


Also, Soldiers main move was to push the rusher past Brady and Brady would step up into a clean picker because of a strong interior line. The quick release played into it as well.
RE: RE: That was actually the frustrating  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/13/2022 1:24 pm : link
In comment 15707654 Giantimistic said:
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thing about the Solder contract.

Living in MA I watch a lot of Patriots games and Solder was toast. He was a turnstile at the end of his Pats career and everyone who watched the games knew it.

Brady got the ball out quick to neutralize a little bit of just how bad Solder was, but in no way did Brady make Solder look good. It was clear to many people what the Giants were getting with Solder, unfortunately not to Gettleman.




Also, Soldiers main move was to push the rusher past Brady and Brady would step up into a clean picker because of a strong interior line. The quick release played into it as well.


That's the move accomplished pocket passers make to buy an extra second or two, which is an eternity in the NFL. A feet or two is all that is needed to make the ER loop around in a time consuming path and angle. Joe Montana called it a completely unnatural and counter instinctive move to step into the path of onrushing defensive tackles.
Solder signing  
Paulie Walnuts : 5/13/2022 1:48 pm : link
Really is significant as a reason why you must draft well. Teams are generally not going to let a good LT walk
Solder was the albatross  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/13/2022 1:57 pm : link
around the Giants neck. And possibly Engram.

Yep, Giants have two neck albatrosses. Take that Melville.
JFC...  
bw in dc : 5/13/2022 2:04 pm : link
Posters are throwing down declaring Neal > Wirfs.

Let's hope so, but Wirfs has some serious hardware already.
Wirfs had the impecabble technique  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/13/2022 2:44 pm : link
combined with agility coming out of college. Neal is more maulery. Yeah don't know where he got technique like that, you want your OL and TE out of Big Ten Iowa I guess. Definitely not UTEP or UCONN.
RE: Neal > Wirfs  
TommyWiseau : 5/13/2022 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15707570 JonC said:
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and Wirfs is really good and helped by the talent around him.


coming out of college, yes. Let's not crown Neal yet. He has some work to do to be on Wirfs' level in the pro's
Relax and watch  
JonC : 5/13/2022 3:12 pm : link
Neal has a better pedigree, size, and plenty of tools to be a better pro RT.
RE: RE: Neal > Wirfs  
JonC : 5/13/2022 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15707754 TommyWiseau said:
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and Wirfs is really good and helped by the talent around him.



coming out of college, yes. Let's not crown Neal yet. He has some work to do to be on Wirfs' level in the pro's


Yes, coming out of college he's the better prospect. I believe he will be the better pro too.
RE: JFC...  
UConn4523 : 5/13/2022 3:15 pm : link
In comment 15707708 bw in dc said:
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Posters are throwing down declaring Neal > Wirfs.

Let's hope so, but Wirfs has some serious hardware already.


He was comparing them coming out of college. Isn't that what we do every single year when talking about prospects around draft time?

Weird response, its almost like you want it to not happen.
No one wants to let go of old favorites  
JonC : 5/13/2022 3:20 pm : link
I suppose. But, not drafting Wirfs wasn't the end of the world for NYG. Neal is an even better prospect.
RE: RE: JFC...  
bw in dc : 5/13/2022 3:23 pm : link
In comment 15707781 UConn4523 said:
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Posters are throwing down declaring Neal > Wirfs.

Let's hope so, but Wirfs has some serious hardware already.



He was comparing them coming out of college. Isn't that what we do every single year when talking about prospects around draft time?

Weird response, its almost like you want it to not happen.


I didn't read it that way, actually. But I see your point now.
Not well written on my part  
JonC : 5/13/2022 3:25 pm : link
my son is sick AGAIN (fookin daycare) and I'm running on a few hours of sleep AGAIN.
Wirfs would have been a very strong choice to take that year  
Jimmy Googs : 5/13/2022 4:13 pm : link
instead of Thomas. If Solder wasn't such a disaster LT they probably would have gone Wirfs, but needed a hedge.

Can't have enough Tackles. So critical...

RE: RE: RE: Solder  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/13/2022 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15707503 Johnny5 said:
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Was a decent player until his son get sick. He just never was the same player after that.



Nate Solder had one of his best seasons as a pro in New England after his son got sick.

Nate Solder wasn’t the same player because he was getting old and the Giants were a disaster.


When he first learned his son was sick he struggled big time and then came around to finish with one of his best seasons. It was all down hill from there, understandably. The Giants disaster didn't help him but I would guarantee his son being sick was a huge part of him becoming less of a player.

Nice spin.

You could also just accept your L.
RE: No one wants to let go of old favorites  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2022 7:39 pm : link
In comment 15707791 JonC said:
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I suppose. But, not drafting Wirfs wasn't the end of the world for NYG. Neal is an even better prospect.


So let it be written, so let it be done.
I thought Wills Jr was the OT in ‘20  
lono801 : 5/13/2022 8:58 pm : link
I thought he had great hands…had more polish to him.

I recall thinking Wirfs was just a big body.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Solder  
Johnny5 : 5/13/2022 9:49 pm : link
In comment 15708021 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Was a decent player until his son get sick. He just never was the same player after that.



Nate Solder had one of his best seasons as a pro in New England after his son got sick.

Nate Solder wasn’t the same player because he was getting old and the Giants were a disaster.


When he first learned his son was sick he struggled big time and then came around to finish with one of his best seasons. It was all down hill from there, understandably. The Giants disaster didn't help him but I would guarantee his son being sick was a huge part of him becoming less of a player.


Nice spin.

You could also just accept your L.

I don't even know what the fuck that means. I satnd by what I said.

Asshole.
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