win this with our without Crosby, but without him the Rangers run away with it to force game 7 at home.
I wouldn't have gone to the Brett well again - but without Crosby I don't think the negative energy Brett brings will be enough to counter the fact the Pens are a lesser opponent.
No need to have Nemeth dressed. Waste of a sweater.
Motte would be a big addition to the lineup, but I have a feeling we won't see him tonight. I'm looking forward to seeing what things look like at the morning skate. Even when Lindgren came out of the game the other night, Nemeth didn't play, so it does seem wasteful to have him in the lineup tonight. I know they won't have Jones come in, but hell I'd prefer to see Hajek in over Nemeth.
Guy has been out since a game or two after the trade deadline. Asking a lot of a player to just dive in to an intense series and play as if mind and body will didn't notice the layoff. I don't see Gallant inserting him in a win-or-go-home game.
And, Brett, you gonna take those fighting words laying down? It's like pj is a .... Canadians fan!
really? you think Motte is close to Goodrow? He is a good defensive player and physical, but I never considered him close to Goodrow.
One thing that is similar with both Motte and Goodrow is they are both sneaky good at face-offs, so it's nice to have either out there to close out games or even on the PK to either take a face-off or just as insurance in case your center is kicked out. Sometimes that aspect is overlooked when you give up a late goal off a face off and you look and see the C was kicked out and no one on the ice was good at face offs.
Zib, Kreider, Panarin and Strome have to be much better than they have been. Kreider & Zibanejad have been quoted alot in the papers lately but their play needs to start doing the talking.
Keep giving the Kids Line shifts and opportunities.
Keep composure when the going gets tough on the road--this is vital.
This would be two weeks ahead of schedule, seems like a desperation move. Goalies rely on their feet a lot - CHP probably can tell us how much, but it's a lot IMO.
It's not definite, but Mercogliano is saying all signs are pointing to Crosby being out tonight.
Might be a case of hedging their bets, hoping he can play in a potential game 7.
I know the morning skate is a big deal and it usually means whether a person plays or not, but let's say the Pens, wanted to throw the Rangers a head fake, does Crosby really need to participate in a morning skate to play tonight? I just feel like I want rest easy until I see him scratched
This would be two weeks ahead of schedule, seems like a desperation move. Goalies rely on their feet a lot - CHP probably can tell us how much, but it's a lot IMO.
Appreciate the call out, pj. And absolutely correct. Yes, hand/eye coordination is paramount with glove, blocker, stick. But more than ever I think you're seeing angle and positioning set the frame, limit the looks. Have to push off hard on the skate/post from which you're moving away to the opposite side. When Georgiev is at his worst, he is dead slow pushing from L to R or R to L posts to cover corners on plays behind the net or combination plays across the slot.
To my eye, a negative I've noted in Igor's play as the series has worn on is that he has been late to cross his crease to cover net and post targets on the opposite post. Part of it is alertness/reaction time and that slows you down; the part is the force of the push. He improved in that as Game 5 went along, again, imo only. I am sure Benoît has been at him. And for Igor this aspect is that much more imp because of small stature. Whether Carter (and I still don't see that collision your way, pj) or the ~78 shot barrage in Game 1, he's been off. Hope he blocks out the mocking cheers of the Pens' crowd.
win this with our without Crosby, but without him the Rangers run away with it to force game 7 at home.
I wouldn't have gone to the Brett well again - but without Crosby I don't think the negative energy Brett brings will be enough to counter the fact the Pens are a lesser opponent.
This would be two weeks ahead of schedule, seems like a desperation move. Goalies rely on their feet a lot - CHP probably can tell us how much, but it's a lot IMO.
Appreciate the call out, pj. And absolutely correct. Yes, hand/eye coordination is paramount with glove, blocker, stick. But more than ever I think you're seeing angle and positioning set the frame, limit the looks. Have to push off hard on the skate/post from which you're moving away to the opposite side. When Georgiev is at his worst, he is dead slow pushing from L to R or R to L posts to cover corners on plays behind the net or combination plays across the slot.
To my eye, a negative I've noted in Igor's play as the series has worn on is that he has been late to cross his crease to cover net and post targets on the opposite post. Part of it is alertness/reaction time and that slows you down; the part is the force of the push. He improved in that as Game 5 went along, again, imo only. I am sure Benoît has been at him. And for Igor this aspect is that much more imp because of small stature. Whether Carter (and I still don't see that collision your way, pj) or the ~78 shot barrage in Game 1, he's been off. Hope he blocks out the mocking cheers of the Pens' crowd.
I'm not saying Igor didn't get injured in the collision with Carter, I'm saying it looked to me like at worst Igor initiated the contact, at best it was incidental, definitely not malicious or intentional by Carter (who as I referenced is closer to a Lady Byng nominee than a Marchand).
If that's what you disagree with, ok, lol, we can agree to disagree.
This would be two weeks ahead of schedule, seems like a desperation move. Goalies rely on their feet a lot - CHP probably can tell us how much, but it's a lot IMO.
Appreciate the call out, pj. And absolutely correct. Yes, hand/eye coordination is paramount with glove, blocker, stick. But more than ever I think you're seeing angle and positioning set the frame, limit the looks. Have to push off hard on the skate/post from which you're moving away to the opposite side. When Georgiev is at his worst, he is dead slow pushing from L to R or R to L posts to cover corners on plays behind the net or combination plays across the slot.
To my eye, a negative I've noted in Igor's play as the series has worn on is that he has been late to cross his crease to cover net and post targets on the opposite post. Part of it is alertness/reaction time and that slows you down; the part is the force of the push. He improved in that as Game 5 went along, again, imo only. I am sure Benoît has been at him. And for Igor this aspect is that much more imp because of small stature. Whether Carter (and I still don't see that collision your way, pj) or the ~78 shot barrage in Game 1, he's been off. Hope he blocks out the mocking cheers of the Pens' crowd.
I'm not a goalie but I've noticed Igor looks a little slower going side to side and that his chest is leaning forward a little more than usual. He looks a little tired at times.
I'd agree re. Igor, but way I saw it was that Carter had him lined up, eyes front: not lined up for a full body slam, because that would be risky at many levels; yet lined up enough for a glancing hit, which was enough to upend Igor.
I hope they do but I doubt it. Like PJ said they're not that kind of team. If they go that route it would really play into the Rangers hands. Take them out of their game, lose their focus and probably give us some power plays.
goonery that might make sense for Pitt would be a Freidman or another 4th liner for Trouba. Trouba just has to be smart enough to not take any bait. All the other guy's with some edge like Malkin and Zucker are too important to Pitt's lineup with Crosby out.
I'd agree re. Igor, but way I saw it was that Carter had him lined up, eyes front: not lined up for a full body slam, because that would be risky at many levels; yet lined up enough for a glancing hit, which was enough to upend Igor.
Discovered the site during the season (surprised I kept coming back after reading some of the stuff about the Giants) and registered today. Also big Rangers fan.
All this talk about the 4th line and omitting Reaves in favor of Hunt or Rooney if Motte comes on healthy has me baffled. Reaves is not just a physical presence, but his pursuit of loose pucks and sustaining possessions is far more than what either Hunt or Rooney bring to the table. If somehow we get Goodrow back, I think Reaves has earned the benefit of the doubt on the 4rh.
The lack of effort, lack of urgency, sloppy passing, fanning on shots and passes. The other night they weren’t playing that bad, but tonight is a disgrace to the uniform
Mind numbing stupidity mixed equally with softness. It would be nice if the supposed best players with the big contracts showed up in any way shape or form.
The lack of effort, lack of urgency, sloppy passing, fanning on shots and passes. The other night they weren’t playing that bad, but tonight is a disgrace to the uniform
Just shaking my head it was so bad. The other team is missing it’s best player and STILL looked 1000% better than the Rangers.
I kind of feel like even before the Trouba pass we just kind of took our foot off the gas on the second PP of the double minor. We really didn’t do anything on that until about 25-30 seconds left.
That sequence at the end of the period was a killer
Penguins basically lived in our end. They need to be more aggressive and God damn if we don't have some shitty skating defensemen. K'Andre is by far the best skater on defense.
Was about 15 min behind on dvr, just caught up. Wasn’t always pretty, but damn this team is showing some guts when it counts the most. On to game 7 boys!!
Well my blood pressure reached unhealthy levels tonight
But goddamn what a game. Hopefully they can get it done on Sunday and complete the comeback. Thank goodness for Lindgren and Motte getting back into the lineup.
Penguins basically lived in our end. They need to be more aggressive and God damn if we don't have some shitty skating defensemen. K'Andre is by far the best skater on defense.
The second line just had some horrible shifts, then there was one disaster with the 4th line and third defensive pair. I thought Braun was going to lay down on the ice.
Penguins basically lived in our end. They need to be more aggressive and God damn if we don't have some shitty skating defensemen. K'Andre is by far the best skater on defense.
The second line just had some horrible shifts, then there was one disaster with the 4th line and third defensive pair. I thought Braun was going to lay down on the ice.
Fox is a decent skater. Trouba I would say is average for his size. But Braun, Lindgren, Schneider...ooof. Nemeth is the worst of them all, but my God, they are some slow skaters.
I really wish Fox would get the 90 foot passes behind his own net out of his system. They dont work in the playoffs and has allowed the Pens pretty much a free entry into our zone with multiple players. Dont get me wrong, I love Fox, but he is making those passes to guys with players with trailing Penguins and they seem to lose possession EVERY time.
Penguins basically lived in our end. They need to be more aggressive and God damn if we don't have some shitty skating defensemen. K'Andre is by far the best skater on defense.
The second line just had some horrible shifts, then there was one disaster with the 4th line and third defensive pair. I thought Braun was going to lay down on the ice.
Fox is a decent skater. Trouba I would say is average for his size. But Braun, Lindgren, Schneider...ooof. Nemeth is the worst of them all, but my God, they are some slow skaters.
Braun and Schneider are NOT bad skaters. Especially Braun. Hos skating helped him recover several times tonight. His puck handling on the other hand....he cant wait to get rid of it no matter where he tosses it.
Penguins basically lived in our end. They need to be more aggressive and God damn if we don't have some shitty skating defensemen. K'Andre is by far the best skater on defense.
The second line just had some horrible shifts, then there was one disaster with the 4th line and third defensive pair. I thought Braun was going to lay down on the ice.
Fox is a decent skater. Trouba I would say is average for his size. But Braun, Lindgren, Schneider...ooof. Nemeth is the worst of them all, but my God, they are some slow skaters.
Braun and Schneider are NOT bad skaters. Especially Braun. Hos skating helped him recover several times tonight. His puck handling on the other hand....he cant wait to get rid of it no matter where he tosses it.
Braun is one of the slowest skaters on the team. That's a problem when you have a guy trying to drive by you and you don't have the foot speed to catch up.
Schneider isn’t going to be the reason they win a game or series, and his minutes need to be managed, but all things considered I think he’s acquitting himself OK for a young kid playing in a playoff series against a pain in the ass team with a good forecheck and a lot of structure.
Better job of finishing checks tonight. Not talking about any tough guy stuff, but just taking the guy out of the play where they need too. Still way too many stick checks and especially in the first period, just not moving their fucking feet.
I’m not going to sit here an question their commitment to the game, but I think they may be consistently confusing the meaning of playing a smart/responsible game, and pretty much neutering all of their jump and aggressiveness.
Best 2 words in sports - Game 7. If I didn’t have COVID right now I’d be finding a way to try and get there.
Let’s fucking go.
(And then let’s keep the lessons, burn the tape, and be a better hockey club…the allergy they currently have to in-game success is gross to watch)
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Penguins basically lived in our end. They need to be more aggressive and God damn if we don't have some shitty skating defensemen. K'Andre is by far the best skater on defense.
The second line just had some horrible shifts, then there was one disaster with the 4th line and third defensive pair. I thought Braun was going to lay down on the ice.
Fox is a decent skater. Trouba I would say is average for his size. But Braun, Lindgren, Schneider...ooof. Nemeth is the worst of them all, but my God, they are some slow skaters.
Braun and Schneider are NOT bad skaters. Especially Braun. Hos skating helped him recover several times tonight. His puck handling on the other hand....he cant wait to get rid of it no matter where he tosses it.
Braun is one of the slowest skaters on the team. That's a problem when you have a guy trying to drive by you and you don't have the foot speed to catch up.
Being slow is not what makes a bad skater. He makes good cuts and takes better angles than a lot of guysthat are faster than him. His start stop is better than average too.
Not saying hes a world beater, but he isnt asked to be Scott Niedermayer. Also Fox is a VERY GOOD skater. Im not sure what qualifies as good based on what you said. Letang, Doughty, Burns....sure those guys are amazing skaters. But if Braun skated even close to that level, we wouldnt have gotten him at the deadline.
Man, this team can drive us crazy but they have shown some heart these last two games. Four point night from Mika just as we were all (rightfully) getting ready to bury him for this performance. Four assists from Fox too, who I think hadn't shown his best yet. I underrated the impact of Lindgren overall as well. Big-game player. Torts would have loved him.
The move Fox makes on the boards on the tying goal, woah. Not many guys pull that off. To the defenseman skating debate, Fox is a very good skater because of moves like that. It's his edge work. Some guys are great skaters because they're fast and explosive straight ahead like a Carl Hagelin, and some are great in the short area movements and on their edges like Fox. I'd put Crosby in that category too. Some can combine both and you've got Cale Makar But I digress.
Game 7. Didn't think we'd be here a few days ago. Cannot imagine what they Garden is going to sound like. Chills thinking about it. Nice work boys, one more.
Braun and Schneider with that fourth line was getting shelled. They can't all be out there together.
Do the Pens start Jarry? If he's cleared I think they have to.
I thought the the same thing, it’s hard to let Domingue out there again after that last goal. Pens played a strong period and they lost on that. If Jarry can play, you have to think he will play.
But, nonetheless, given how that fanbase has rode Igor all series I could not have written a better conclusion to game 6 if I tried
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I did not like that third at all
Penguins basically lived in our end. They need to be more aggressive and God damn if we don't have some shitty skating defensemen. K'Andre is by far the best skater on defense.
The second line just had some horrible shifts, then there was one disaster with the 4th line and third defensive pair. I thought Braun was going to lay down on the ice.
Fox is a decent skater. Trouba I would say is average for his size. But Braun, Lindgren, Schneider...ooof. Nemeth is the worst of them all, but my God, they are some slow skaters.
Braun and Schneider are NOT bad skaters. Especially Braun. Hos skating helped him recover several times tonight. His puck handling on the other hand....he cant wait to get rid of it no matter where he tosses it.
Braun is one of the slowest skaters on the team. That's a problem when you have a guy trying to drive by you and you don't have the foot speed to catch up.
Being slow is not what makes a bad skater. He makes good cuts and takes better angles than a lot of guysthat are faster than him. His start stop is better than average too.
Not saying hes a world beater, but he isnt asked to be Scott Niedermayer. Also Fox is a VERY GOOD skater. Im not sure what qualifies as good based on what you said. Letang, Doughty, Burns....sure those guys are amazing skaters. But if Braun skated even close to that level, we wouldnt have gotten him at the deadline.
I don't disagree, but foot speed is a huge part of skating and hockey
hasnt had consistent playing time with this team since he got here and when he has, its been mostly with Fox if Im not mistaken. Yes, I know he is a veteran, but prior to the playoffs, he played in 8 games prior to the playoffs. Its tough to get a feel for two completely differing styles in Schneider and Fox.
hasnt had consistent playing time with this team since he got here and when he has, its been mostly with Fox if Im not mistaken. Yes, I know he is a veteran, but prior to the playoffs, he played in 8 games prior to the playoffs. Its tough to get a feel for two completely differing styles in Schneider and Fox.
Braun has been okay. He's just been slow and has no outlet pass. In his own zone, he's fine. Not a world-beater, but passable and much better than Nemeth. And yeah, can't be easy that he's playing his off-side.
how bad they were in their own end. Turnovers, couldnt get the puck out
That Malkin goal to tie 3-3 was atrocious. Really bad idea by Trouba on the pass, then Miller did absolutely nothing to stop Malkin even though he was skating stride for stride with him. Never wacked him, never slashed him, never hooked him, never tugged at him, never dove. He did NOTHING, never even tried to touch Malkin all the way down the ice.
I dont think I have ever seen that. Miller may be the softest player in the league
Im pretty sure Trouba-Miller were on for the first 3 Pens goals
Thank God Mika and Kreider woke up (with help from Crosby being out) and their goalie finally had an AHL-3rd stringer moment
To get Game 7 experience for the young players on this team is huge
IMO every year the Stanley Cup playoffs are sports
greatest tournament. A teams flaws will be exposed and exploited. It is a tournament of skill and endurance that IMO is unmatched by any other sport. Last night was a great win for the Rangers. As said above the experience of playing real playoff hockey is invaluable. Especially a game 7 at home.
IMO the Rangers are a team that is too flawed to be a serious Cup contender. They're not physical enough on defense to say the least or tough enough on the wings (although there are a some players who are) and they don't have an elite playoff 2 way center. Considering where they have chosen to spend their money I'm not sure how they can change the make up of the team anytime soon.
RE: IMO every year the Stanley Cup playoffs are sports
IMO the Rangers are a team that is too flawed to be a serious Cup contender. They're not physical enough on defense to say the least or tough enough on the wings (although there are a some players who are) and they don't have an elite playoff 2 way center. Considering where they have chosen to spend their money I'm not sure how they can change the make up of the team anytime soon.
They really can't change the make-up. They have to hope that Laf, KK, and Chytil all continue to get better.
I really hope they don't sign Copp to a big deal. That would be so typical Rangers.
hasnt had consistent playing time with this team since he got here and when he has, its been mostly with Fox if Im not mistaken. Yes, I know he is a veteran, but prior to the playoffs, he played in 8 games prior to the playoffs. Its tough to get a feel for two completely differing styles in Schneider and Fox.
Braun has been okay. He's just been slow and has no outlet pass. In his own zone, he's fine. Not a world-beater, but passable and much better than Nemeth. And yeah, can't be easy that he's playing his off-side.
100% agree with this. He is a stay at home D man for sure. His ability around the board is pretty damned good, but as I said, he just wants the puck off his stick as soon as possible. Part of me would rather he be playing with Miller and moving Trouba to Schneider, but I know you cant separate those two. Although, splitting up two vets with two youngins would be ok with me. Is there a better compliment to a stay at home guy like Braun than Miller? But Im not suggesting this and Trouba and BS play on the tight.
hasnt had consistent playing time with this team since he got here and when he has, its been mostly with Fox if Im not mistaken. Yes, I know he is a veteran, but prior to the playoffs, he played in 8 games prior to the playoffs. Its tough to get a feel for two completely differing styles in Schneider and Fox.
Braun has been okay. He's just been slow and has no outlet pass. In his own zone, he's fine. Not a world-beater, but passable and much better than Nemeth. And yeah, can't be easy that he's playing his off-side.
100% agree with this. He is a stay at home D man for sure. His ability around the board is pretty damned good, but as I said, he just wants the puck off his stick as soon as possible. Part of me would rather he be playing with Miller and moving Trouba to Schneider, but I know you cant separate those two. Although, splitting up two vets with two youngins would be ok with me. Is there a better compliment to a stay at home guy like Braun than Miller? But Im not suggesting this and Trouba and BS play on the tight.
It's not a bad idea, but I think the issue is that the L-R dynamic. None of the guys can really play their off-side and Braun is playing on the left out of necessity so we're not subject to Nemeth's suckitude.
hasnt had consistent playing time with this team since he got here and when he has, its been mostly with Fox if Im not mistaken. Yes, I know he is a veteran, but prior to the playoffs, he played in 8 games prior to the playoffs. Its tough to get a feel for two completely differing styles in Schneider and Fox.
Braun has been okay. He's just been slow and has no outlet pass. In his own zone, he's fine. Not a world-beater, but passable and much better than Nemeth. And yeah, can't be easy that he's playing his off-side.
100% agree with this. He is a stay at home D man for sure. His ability around the board is pretty damned good, but as I said, he just wants the puck off his stick as soon as possible. Part of me would rather he be playing with Miller and moving Trouba to Schneider, but I know you cant separate those two. Although, splitting up two vets with two youngins would be ok with me. Is there a better compliment to a stay at home guy like Braun than Miller? But Im not suggesting this and Trouba and BS play on the tight.
It's not a bad idea, but I think the issue is that the L-R dynamic. None of the guys can really play their off-side and Braun is playing on the left out of necessity so we're not subject to Nemeth's suckitude.
Exactly....another reason I give him a pass. Ive seen him being pretty good at dispossessning Pitt defenders along the boards. I think if he had more time with the 20 years old he would get in sync with Schneider to be better. But I havent been watching closely enough. I get the impression that they both kinda get stuck doing the same thing on D and as such, things like clearing the front gets ignored
Because this team could use a mobile defenseman with a good outlet pass and who can stretch the ice. A real puck-moving defenseman. Fox is obviously that, but besides him, there ain't much right now. That's why the thought of Zac Jones being a staple on the third pair next year is so appealing.
to go with Fox, then Lindgren and Miller can drop down to 2nd and 3rd pair where they should be
Crosby practiced today. Gee, you dont think Bettman would break the concussion protocol rules for Crosby so he can play in Game 7 do you?
it's not up to Bettman and no with the scrutiny on concussions and Crosby's own lengthy concussion history (he has missed well over a hundred games in his career due to concussions) I don't think anyone (Bettman, team docs, Crosby himself, etc.) would break concussion protocols so Crosby could play.
RE: IMO every year the Stanley Cup playoffs are sports
greatest tournament. A teams flaws will be exposed and exploited. It is a tournament of skill and endurance that IMO is unmatched by any other sport. Last night was a great win for the Rangers. As said above the experience of playing real playoff hockey is invaluable. Especially a game 7 at home.
IMO the Rangers are a team that is too flawed to be a serious Cup contender. They're not physical enough on defense to say the least or tough enough on the wings (although there are a some players who are) and they don't have an elite playoff 2 way center. Considering where they have chosen to spend their money I'm not sure how they can change the make up of the team anytime soon.
Arnie, I think you're overvaluing the rest of the league. Every team other than Colorado has had big issues in round one at one point or the other. Get the right match-up, have Shesterkin steal a couple of games, get some luck and they can win any round. Not favorites or anything, but they can beat anyone.
to go with Fox, then Lindgren and Miller can drop down to 2nd and 3rd pair where they should be
Crosby practiced today. Gee, you dont think Bettman would break the concussion protocol rules for Crosby so he can play in Game 7 do you?
Miller is not getting dtopped...every commentator has talked about the strides he has made in his physical aspect of the game. He has improved significantly in the last year.
Not happening, nor should it.
Strides he's made in the physical part of his game?
Miller hasn't hit anyone the entire series, and let Malkin skate right in without even touching him last night. He's been even worse than he was last year and the first half this year. Any strides he made in the second half have disappeared in this series
to go with Fox, then Lindgren and Miller can drop down to 2nd and 3rd pair where they should be
Crosby practiced today. Gee, you dont think Bettman would break the concussion protocol rules for Crosby so he can play in Game 7 do you?
it's not up to Bettman and no with the scrutiny on concussions and Crosby's own lengthy concussion history (he has missed well over a hundred games in his career due to concussions) I don't think anyone (Bettman, team docs, Crosby himself, etc.) would break concussion protocols so Crosby could play.
Please, the league has bent over backwards for the Penguins for 30 years. How can someone with Crosby's concussion history miss only one game?
Crosby practiced today, but he, Jarry and Rakell are "day to day"
I wouldn't have gone to the Brett well again - but without Crosby I don't think the negative energy Brett brings will be enough to counter the fact the Pens are a lesser opponent.
Motte would be a big addition to the lineup, but I have a feeling we won't see him tonight. I'm looking forward to seeing what things look like at the morning skate. Even when Lindgren came out of the game the other night, Nemeth didn't play, so it does seem wasteful to have him in the lineup tonight. I know they won't have Jones come in, but hell I'd prefer to see Hajek in over Nemeth.
And, Brett, you gonna take those fighting words laying down? It's like pj is a .... Canadians fan!
really? you think Motte is close to Goodrow? He is a good defensive player and physical, but I never considered him close to Goodrow.
One thing that is similar with both Motte and Goodrow is they are both sneaky good at face-offs, so it's nice to have either out there to close out games or even on the PK to either take a face-off or just as insurance in case your center is kicked out. Sometimes that aspect is overlooked when you give up a late goal off a face off and you look and see the C was kicked out and no one on the ice was good at face offs.
Das it.
Keep giving the Kids Line shifts and opportunities.
Keep composure when the going gets tough on the road--this is vital.
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Sidney Crosby is NOT on the ice for the Penguins' morning skate.
Brian Dumoulin isn't, either.
Everybody else is accounted for, including all three goalies and Radim Zohorna.
This would be two weeks ahead of schedule, seems like a desperation move. Goalies rely on their feet a lot - CHP probably can tell us how much, but it's a lot IMO.
Crosby not being on the ice for practice is massive. If he's out, that changes everything.
Might be a case of hedging their bets, hoping he can play in a potential game 7.
3-1 Rangers.
I read on twitter Dominuge was in the starter's net" but that Jarry could be the backup. But, these are just beat writers guessing.
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It's not definite, but Mercogliano is saying all signs are pointing to Crosby being out tonight.
Might be a case of hedging their bets, hoping he can play in a potential game 7.
I know the morning skate is a big deal and it usually means whether a person plays or not, but let's say the Pens, wanted to throw the Rangers a head fake, does Crosby really need to participate in a morning skate to play tonight? I just feel like I want rest easy until I see him scratched
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I read on twitter Dominuge was in the starter's net" but that Jarry could be the backup. But, these are just beat writers guessing.
Yep, confirmed. Domingue in net for the Yinz tonight.
Appreciate the call out, pj. And absolutely correct. Yes, hand/eye coordination is paramount with glove, blocker, stick. But more than ever I think you're seeing angle and positioning set the frame, limit the looks. Have to push off hard on the skate/post from which you're moving away to the opposite side. When Georgiev is at his worst, he is dead slow pushing from L to R or R to L posts to cover corners on plays behind the net or combination plays across the slot.
To my eye, a negative I've noted in Igor's play as the series has worn on is that he has been late to cross his crease to cover net and post targets on the opposite post. Part of it is alertness/reaction time and that slows you down; the part is the force of the push. He improved in that as Game 5 went along, again, imo only. I am sure Benoît has been at him. And for Igor this aspect is that much more imp because of small stature. Whether Carter (and I still don't see that collision your way, pj) or the ~78 shot barrage in Game 1, he's been off. Hope he blocks out the mocking cheers of the Pens' crowd.
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Coach Sullivan on Sidney Crosby's status: "He skated this morning with Ty Hennes. He will not play tonight."
I wouldn't have gone to the Brett well again - but without Crosby I don't think the negative energy Brett brings will be enough to counter the fact the Pens are a lesser opponent.
Suck it, pj. I'm a winner.
I guess the real decision comes down to how Lindgren is feeling.
They can't get caught with 5D.
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This would be two weeks ahead of schedule, seems like a desperation move. Goalies rely on their feet a lot - CHP probably can tell us how much, but it's a lot IMO.
Appreciate the call out, pj. And absolutely correct. Yes, hand/eye coordination is paramount with glove, blocker, stick. But more than ever I think you're seeing angle and positioning set the frame, limit the looks. Have to push off hard on the skate/post from which you're moving away to the opposite side. When Georgiev is at his worst, he is dead slow pushing from L to R or R to L posts to cover corners on plays behind the net or combination plays across the slot.
To my eye, a negative I've noted in Igor's play as the series has worn on is that he has been late to cross his crease to cover net and post targets on the opposite post. Part of it is alertness/reaction time and that slows you down; the part is the force of the push. He improved in that as Game 5 went along, again, imo only. I am sure Benoît has been at him. And for Igor this aspect is that much more imp because of small stature. Whether Carter (and I still don't see that collision your way, pj) or the ~78 shot barrage in Game 1, he's been off. Hope he blocks out the mocking cheers of the Pens' crowd.
I'm not saying Igor didn't get injured in the collision with Carter, I'm saying it looked to me like at worst Igor initiated the contact, at best it was incidental, definitely not malicious or intentional by Carter (who as I referenced is closer to a Lady Byng nominee than a Marchand).
If that's what you disagree with, ok, lol, we can agree to disagree.
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This would be two weeks ahead of schedule, seems like a desperation move. Goalies rely on their feet a lot - CHP probably can tell us how much, but it's a lot IMO.
Appreciate the call out, pj. And absolutely correct. Yes, hand/eye coordination is paramount with glove, blocker, stick. But more than ever I think you're seeing angle and positioning set the frame, limit the looks. Have to push off hard on the skate/post from which you're moving away to the opposite side. When Georgiev is at his worst, he is dead slow pushing from L to R or R to L posts to cover corners on plays behind the net or combination plays across the slot.
To my eye, a negative I've noted in Igor's play as the series has worn on is that he has been late to cross his crease to cover net and post targets on the opposite post. Part of it is alertness/reaction time and that slows you down; the part is the force of the push. He improved in that as Game 5 went along, again, imo only. I am sure Benoît has been at him. And for Igor this aspect is that much more imp because of small stature. Whether Carter (and I still don't see that collision your way, pj) or the ~78 shot barrage in Game 1, he's been off. Hope he blocks out the mocking cheers of the Pens' crowd.
I'm not a goalie but I've noticed Igor looks a little slower going side to side and that his chest is leaning forward a little more than usual. He looks a little tired at times.
they don't have the goons
I hope they do but I doubt it. Like PJ said they're not that kind of team. If they go that route it would really play into the Rangers hands. Take them out of their game, lose their focus and probably give us some power plays.
Love to see 'em try.
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the Pens try to goon it up tonight?
they don't have the goons
Ah you're probably right. Maybe Friedman, Gino and Boyle? Although Boyle is older now.
He has a concussion (though he did skate this morning), so that seems unlikely.
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Most people probably know this but it's not like it's just a Mike Sullivan or Sidney Crosby decision at this point.
but Trouba will crush them and get a 5min rest.
I don't expect much else.
Malkin isn't a goon, he's just big and lazy IMO and his laziness leads to penalties sometimes.
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I wouldn't put it past that prick Crosby to pull a Mario and play tonight.
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thanks. I didn't realize he was in the concussion protocol, or whatever the NHL calls it
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Igor didn't seem to see Carter until too late.
I'd agree re. Igor, but way I saw it was that Carter had him lined up, eyes front: not lined up for a full body slam, because that would be risky at many levels; yet lined up enough for a glancing hit, which was enough to upend Igor.
I agree about Carter.
Just in case Penguins want to try any goonery.
Just in case Penguins want to try any goonery.
Nemeth is a big oaf. Toughness, my ass. He doesn't mix it up. Reaves is the one who will fuck you up.
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I think that is why Gallant had him dress for game 5 and why he will be there tonight.
Just in case Penguins want to try any goonery.
Nemeth is a big oaf. Toughness, my ass. He doesn't mix it up. Reaves is the one who will fuck you up.
And Trouba. I wouldn't want to fight Trouba or Reaves.
Pens don’t want this smoke. Can’t see them trying to be something they aren’t
All this talk about the 4th line and omitting Reaves in favor of Hunt or Rooney if Motte comes on healthy has me baffled. Reaves is not just a physical presence, but his pursuit of loose pucks and sustaining possessions is far more than what either Hunt or Rooney bring to the table. If somehow we get Goodrow back, I think Reaves has earned the benefit of the doubt on the 4rh.
WAKE UP.
Unbelievable...I simply don't believe that.
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He fell down.
Unbelievable...I simply don't believe that.
The penalty was on Rooney, away from the Lindgren play. They showed it on the TNT broadcast.
Didn't miss a shift
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He fell down.
Unbelievable...I simply don't believe that.
The penalty was on Rooney, away from the Lindgren play. They showed it on the TNT broadcast.
Yep saw it. Still looked a little soft In a game of this magnitude
Olcyzk has been INSUFFERABLE this series.
Yep. Gotta get the next one
Kreider, Zibanejad and Panarin are just hockey players.
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Vatrano there would have settled shit a bit…
Yep. Gotta get the next one
Come close last few shifts. Somebody please bury one.
Several no calls on Pitt, but that was the worst
Kreider, Zibanejad and Panarin are just hockey players.
Sad, but true.
Have to agree. Two periods to go is plenty of time to take it back.
Just shaking my head it was so bad. The other team is missing it’s best player and STILL looked 1000% better than the Rangers.
'Bout fucking time he stopped sleepwalking
Worked again!! :-)
Shoot the fucking puck!! And keep shooting it!!!
I literally lol'd at that
Lets go!
LMFAOOOO
Ugggh
Trouba is making me wish that he actually was suspended for this game. He's having a Nemeth-esque game.
Unlike Henrik, Igor has not come up in big moments
Then again, then we'd have to deal with Nemeth again.
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Miller needs to lay out there.
Trouba is making me wish that he actually was suspended for this game. He's having a Nemeth-esque game.
Yep, he's had his head up his all night. He couldn't have telegraphed that pass any worse.
He's been terrible. IDK what his deal is. Maybe he's still hurt.
I've always said they should have a clock up where the goal siren is behind each goal.
SEE YOU SUNDAY AT MSG.
Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey
Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey
Hey Hey Hey Hey Hey
IGOR IGOR IGOR
Game 7 baby
Now Carry it over to Gamr 7.
The second line just had some horrible shifts, then there was one disaster with the 4th line and third defensive pair. I thought Braun was going to lay down on the ice.
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Penguins basically lived in our end. They need to be more aggressive and God damn if we don't have some shitty skating defensemen. K'Andre is by far the best skater on defense.
The second line just had some horrible shifts, then there was one disaster with the 4th line and third defensive pair. I thought Braun was going to lay down on the ice.
Fox is a decent skater. Trouba I would say is average for his size. But Braun, Lindgren, Schneider...ooof. Nemeth is the worst of them all, but my God, they are some slow skaters.
They did. Finally. Amazing how this team does that coming from behind. Says something pretty good about them.
Anyways, one game at a time.
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Penguins basically lived in our end. They need to be more aggressive and God damn if we don't have some shitty skating defensemen. K'Andre is by far the best skater on defense.
The second line just had some horrible shifts, then there was one disaster with the 4th line and third defensive pair. I thought Braun was going to lay down on the ice.
Fox is a decent skater. Trouba I would say is average for his size. But Braun, Lindgren, Schneider...ooof. Nemeth is the worst of them all, but my God, they are some slow skaters.
Braun and Schneider are NOT bad skaters. Especially Braun. Hos skating helped him recover several times tonight. His puck handling on the other hand....he cant wait to get rid of it no matter where he tosses it.
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Penguins basically lived in our end. They need to be more aggressive and God damn if we don't have some shitty skating defensemen. K'Andre is by far the best skater on defense.
The second line just had some horrible shifts, then there was one disaster with the 4th line and third defensive pair. I thought Braun was going to lay down on the ice.
Fox is a decent skater. Trouba I would say is average for his size. But Braun, Lindgren, Schneider...ooof. Nemeth is the worst of them all, but my God, they are some slow skaters.
Braun and Schneider are NOT bad skaters. Especially Braun. Hos skating helped him recover several times tonight. His puck handling on the other hand....he cant wait to get rid of it no matter where he tosses it.
Braun is one of the slowest skaters on the team. That's a problem when you have a guy trying to drive by you and you don't have the foot speed to catch up.
Schneider isn’t going to be the reason they win a game or series, and his minutes need to be managed, but all things considered I think he’s acquitting himself OK for a young kid playing in a playoff series against a pain in the ass team with a good forecheck and a lot of structure.
Better job of finishing checks tonight. Not talking about any tough guy stuff, but just taking the guy out of the play where they need too. Still way too many stick checks and especially in the first period, just not moving their fucking feet.
I’m not going to sit here an question their commitment to the game, but I think they may be consistently confusing the meaning of playing a smart/responsible game, and pretty much neutering all of their jump and aggressiveness.
Best 2 words in sports - Game 7. If I didn’t have COVID right now I’d be finding a way to try and get there.
Let’s fucking go.
(And then let’s keep the lessons, burn the tape, and be a better hockey club…the allergy they currently have to in-game success is gross to watch)
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Penguins basically lived in our end. They need to be more aggressive and God damn if we don't have some shitty skating defensemen. K'Andre is by far the best skater on defense.
The second line just had some horrible shifts, then there was one disaster with the 4th line and third defensive pair. I thought Braun was going to lay down on the ice.
Fox is a decent skater. Trouba I would say is average for his size. But Braun, Lindgren, Schneider...ooof. Nemeth is the worst of them all, but my God, they are some slow skaters.
Braun and Schneider are NOT bad skaters. Especially Braun. Hos skating helped him recover several times tonight. His puck handling on the other hand....he cant wait to get rid of it no matter where he tosses it.
Braun is one of the slowest skaters on the team. That's a problem when you have a guy trying to drive by you and you don't have the foot speed to catch up.
Being slow is not what makes a bad skater. He makes good cuts and takes better angles than a lot of guysthat are faster than him. His start stop is better than average too.
Not saying hes a world beater, but he isnt asked to be Scott Niedermayer. Also Fox is a VERY GOOD skater. Im not sure what qualifies as good based on what you said. Letang, Doughty, Burns....sure those guys are amazing skaters. But if Braun skated even close to that level, we wouldnt have gotten him at the deadline.
Do love my coffee, though
yes he does. I'm sick of this fucking guy. And they're stuck with him and his albatross contract. He belongs in Ice Capades.
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Does Panarin need a JerryWorld sized sign screaming SHOOT THE FUCKING PUCK TIME IS RUNNING OUT?!?!!!@&&@“
yes he does. I'm sick of this fucking guy. And they're stuck with him and his albatross contract. He belongs in Ice Capades.
Which means he gets the game winner Sunday..😎
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Does Panarin need a JerryWorld sized sign screaming SHOOT THE FUCKING PUCK TIME IS RUNNING OUT?!?!!!@&&@“
yes he does. I'm sick of this fucking guy. And they're stuck with him and his albatross contract. He belongs in Ice Capades.
Which means he gets the game winner Sunday..😎
Opposite! LOL.
would be consistent with my predictions of doom down 0-2 the last 2 games ;-)
Do love my coffee, though
Coffee?!? What happened to your Chai Tea?
Do the Pens start Jarry? If he's cleared I think they have to.
The move Fox makes on the boards on the tying goal, woah. Not many guys pull that off. To the defenseman skating debate, Fox is a very good skater because of moves like that. It's his edge work. Some guys are great skaters because they're fast and explosive straight ahead like a Carl Hagelin, and some are great in the short area movements and on their edges like Fox. I'd put Crosby in that category too. Some can combine both and you've got Cale Makar But I digress.
Game 7. Didn't think we'd be here a few days ago. Cannot imagine what they Garden is going to sound like. Chills thinking about it. Nice work boys, one more.
Do the Pens start Jarry? If he's cleared I think they have to.
I thought the the same thing, it’s hard to let Domingue out there again after that last goal. Pens played a strong period and they lost on that. If Jarry can play, you have to think he will play.
But, nonetheless, given how that fanbase has rode Igor all series I could not have written a better conclusion to game 6 if I tried
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Penguins basically lived in our end. They need to be more aggressive and God damn if we don't have some shitty skating defensemen. K'Andre is by far the best skater on defense.
The second line just had some horrible shifts, then there was one disaster with the 4th line and third defensive pair. I thought Braun was going to lay down on the ice.
Fox is a decent skater. Trouba I would say is average for his size. But Braun, Lindgren, Schneider...ooof. Nemeth is the worst of them all, but my God, they are some slow skaters.
Braun and Schneider are NOT bad skaters. Especially Braun. Hos skating helped him recover several times tonight. His puck handling on the other hand....he cant wait to get rid of it no matter where he tosses it.
Braun is one of the slowest skaters on the team. That's a problem when you have a guy trying to drive by you and you don't have the foot speed to catch up.
Being slow is not what makes a bad skater. He makes good cuts and takes better angles than a lot of guysthat are faster than him. His start stop is better than average too.
Not saying hes a world beater, but he isnt asked to be Scott Niedermayer. Also Fox is a VERY GOOD skater. Im not sure what qualifies as good based on what you said. Letang, Doughty, Burns....sure those guys are amazing skaters. But if Braun skated even close to that level, we wouldnt have gotten him at the deadline.
I don't disagree, but foot speed is a huge part of skating and hockey
But they have been closing out well. Rangers look like they have a window and the Penguins get a stick in
Braun has been okay. He's just been slow and has no outlet pass. In his own zone, he's fine. Not a world-beater, but passable and much better than Nemeth. And yeah, can't be easy that he's playing his off-side.
That Malkin goal to tie 3-3 was atrocious. Really bad idea by Trouba on the pass, then Miller did absolutely nothing to stop Malkin even though he was skating stride for stride with him. Never wacked him, never slashed him, never hooked him, never tugged at him, never dove. He did NOTHING, never even tried to touch Malkin all the way down the ice.
I dont think I have ever seen that. Miller may be the softest player in the league
Im pretty sure Trouba-Miller were on for the first 3 Pens goals
Thank God Mika and Kreider woke up (with help from Crosby being out) and their goalie finally had an AHL-3rd stringer moment
To get Game 7 experience for the young players on this team is huge
IMO the Rangers are a team that is too flawed to be a serious Cup contender. They're not physical enough on defense to say the least or tough enough on the wings (although there are a some players who are) and they don't have an elite playoff 2 way center. Considering where they have chosen to spend their money I'm not sure how they can change the make up of the team anytime soon.
IMO the Rangers are a team that is too flawed to be a serious Cup contender. They're not physical enough on defense to say the least or tough enough on the wings (although there are a some players who are) and they don't have an elite playoff 2 way center. Considering where they have chosen to spend their money I'm not sure how they can change the make up of the team anytime soon.
They really can't change the make-up. They have to hope that Laf, KK, and Chytil all continue to get better.
I really hope they don't sign Copp to a big deal. That would be so typical Rangers.
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hasnt had consistent playing time with this team since he got here and when he has, its been mostly with Fox if Im not mistaken. Yes, I know he is a veteran, but prior to the playoffs, he played in 8 games prior to the playoffs. Its tough to get a feel for two completely differing styles in Schneider and Fox.
Braun has been okay. He's just been slow and has no outlet pass. In his own zone, he's fine. Not a world-beater, but passable and much better than Nemeth. And yeah, can't be easy that he's playing his off-side.
100% agree with this. He is a stay at home D man for sure. His ability around the board is pretty damned good, but as I said, he just wants the puck off his stick as soon as possible. Part of me would rather he be playing with Miller and moving Trouba to Schneider, but I know you cant separate those two. Although, splitting up two vets with two youngins would be ok with me. Is there a better compliment to a stay at home guy like Braun than Miller? But Im not suggesting this and Trouba and BS play on the tight.
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hasnt had consistent playing time with this team since he got here and when he has, its been mostly with Fox if Im not mistaken. Yes, I know he is a veteran, but prior to the playoffs, he played in 8 games prior to the playoffs. Its tough to get a feel for two completely differing styles in Schneider and Fox.
Braun has been okay. He's just been slow and has no outlet pass. In his own zone, he's fine. Not a world-beater, but passable and much better than Nemeth. And yeah, can't be easy that he's playing his off-side.
100% agree with this. He is a stay at home D man for sure. His ability around the board is pretty damned good, but as I said, he just wants the puck off his stick as soon as possible. Part of me would rather he be playing with Miller and moving Trouba to Schneider, but I know you cant separate those two. Although, splitting up two vets with two youngins would be ok with me. Is there a better compliment to a stay at home guy like Braun than Miller? But Im not suggesting this and Trouba and BS play on the tight.
It's not a bad idea, but I think the issue is that the L-R dynamic. None of the guys can really play their off-side and Braun is playing on the left out of necessity so we're not subject to Nemeth's suckitude.
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hasnt had consistent playing time with this team since he got here and when he has, its been mostly with Fox if Im not mistaken. Yes, I know he is a veteran, but prior to the playoffs, he played in 8 games prior to the playoffs. Its tough to get a feel for two completely differing styles in Schneider and Fox.
Braun has been okay. He's just been slow and has no outlet pass. In his own zone, he's fine. Not a world-beater, but passable and much better than Nemeth. And yeah, can't be easy that he's playing his off-side.
100% agree with this. He is a stay at home D man for sure. His ability around the board is pretty damned good, but as I said, he just wants the puck off his stick as soon as possible. Part of me would rather he be playing with Miller and moving Trouba to Schneider, but I know you cant separate those two. Although, splitting up two vets with two youngins would be ok with me. Is there a better compliment to a stay at home guy like Braun than Miller? But Im not suggesting this and Trouba and BS play on the tight.
It's not a bad idea, but I think the issue is that the L-R dynamic. None of the guys can really play their off-side and Braun is playing on the left out of necessity so we're not subject to Nemeth's suckitude.
Exactly....another reason I give him a pass. Ive seen him being pretty good at dispossessning Pitt defenders along the boards. I think if he had more time with the 20 years old he would get in sync with Schneider to be better. But I havent been watching closely enough. I get the impression that they both kinda get stuck doing the same thing on D and as such, things like clearing the front gets ignored
Crosby practiced today. Gee, you dont think Bettman would break the concussion protocol rules for Crosby so he can play in Game 7 do you?
Crosby practiced today. Gee, you dont think Bettman would break the concussion protocol rules for Crosby so he can play in Game 7 do you?
it's not up to Bettman and no with the scrutiny on concussions and Crosby's own lengthy concussion history (he has missed well over a hundred games in his career due to concussions) I don't think anyone (Bettman, team docs, Crosby himself, etc.) would break concussion protocols so Crosby could play.
IMO the Rangers are a team that is too flawed to be a serious Cup contender. They're not physical enough on defense to say the least or tough enough on the wings (although there are a some players who are) and they don't have an elite playoff 2 way center. Considering where they have chosen to spend their money I'm not sure how they can change the make up of the team anytime soon.
Arnie, I think you're overvaluing the rest of the league. Every team other than Colorado has had big issues in round one at one point or the other. Get the right match-up, have Shesterkin steal a couple of games, get some luck and they can win any round. Not favorites or anything, but they can beat anyone.
Crosby practiced today. Gee, you dont think Bettman would break the concussion protocol rules for Crosby so he can play in Game 7 do you?
Miller is not getting dtopped...every commentator has talked about the strides he has made in his physical aspect of the game. He has improved significantly in the last year.
Not happening, nor should it.
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to go with Fox, then Lindgren and Miller can drop down to 2nd and 3rd pair where they should be
Crosby practiced today. Gee, you dont think Bettman would break the concussion protocol rules for Crosby so he can play in Game 7 do you?
it's not up to Bettman and no with the scrutiny on concussions and Crosby's own lengthy concussion history (he has missed well over a hundred games in his career due to concussions) I don't think anyone (Bettman, team docs, Crosby himself, etc.) would break concussion protocols so Crosby could play.
Please, the league has bent over backwards for the Penguins for 30 years. How can someone with Crosby's concussion history miss only one game?
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