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The Giants rank their top 10

Big Blue '56 : 5/13/2022 11:01 am
From a few years ago, but relevant today, imv

In no particular order:

-Mel Hein

-L.T.

-Strahan

-Robustelli

-Rosey Brown

-Simms

-Eli

-Gifford

-Tunnell

-Carson


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That’s All-Time top 10 of course  
Big Blue '56 : 5/13/2022 11:02 am : link
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Tiki Barber  
NYG22 : 5/13/2022 11:08 am : link
I know he is not well liked among NYG fans. But he's clearly a top 10 Giant.
RE: Tiki Barber  
BillT : 5/13/2022 11:17 am : link
In comment 15707502 NYG22 said:
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I know he is not well liked among NYG fans. But he's clearly a top 10 Giant.

Who are you taking off that list for Tiki.
I would add Bavaro  
Spiciest Memelord : 5/13/2022 11:22 am : link
he was the prototype that defined what you look for in a modern two way TE. Size, dimension, etc.,

Bill Walsh called him the NFL's premiere TE.
RE: RE: Tiki Barber  
NYG22 : 5/13/2022 11:28 am : link
In comment 15707517 BillT said:
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In comment 15707502 NYG22 said:


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I know he is not well liked among NYG fans. But he's clearly a top 10 Giant.


Who are you taking off that list for Tiki.


Gifford. Tiki dwarfs his stat wise. But again, Tiki was insulting towards Eli so he's forever a NYG pariah.
RE: RE: RE: Tiki Barber  
BillT : 5/13/2022 11:36 am : link
In comment 15707526 NYG22 said:
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In comment 15707517 BillT said:


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In comment 15707502 NYG22 said:


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I know he is not well liked among NYG fans. But he's clearly a top 10 Giant.


Who are you taking off that list for Tiki.



Gifford. Tiki dwarfs his stat wise. But again, Tiki was insulting towards Eli so he's forever a NYG pariah.

Stats aren't everything.

"He made eight Pro Bowl appearances and had five trips to the NFL Championship Game. Gifford's best season may have been 1956, when he won the league's Most Valuable Player Award and led the Giants to the NFL title over the Chicago Bears.[9]"
I hate shit like this  
allstarjim : 5/13/2022 12:21 pm : link
I'll back NYG22 on this. Tiki belongs in the top 10 all-time.

And yeah, if this takes away a little from the long-ago greats, so be it.

I don't care about how good they were. I never saw them play. They played in an era when football didn't resemble anything like today, and they had 12 teams (or even 10, in Mel Hein's day) in the entire league.

Mel Hein played in an era where there were 10 teams, including the Staten Island Stapletons, The Frankford Yellow Jackets, the Providence Steam Rollers, and the Portsmouth Spartans.

Most of these teams hardly had any black players.

So you know, I don't care. Good for you, you were great for your era that isn't relevant to the players or the game today.

Put Tiki Barber in Mel Hein's time and he would be considered the Babe Ruth of football, if anyone even gave him a chance to play. Actually, at Tiki's size they probably would've tried to make him a OT back then.

These comparisons and lists are nonsensical. Even in the Super Bowl era there are problems with comparing players, but at least there's a clear demarcation in the game.

Don't mean to offend the old-timers, but being great in today's era is much more impressive to me than being "great" in the 30's through 50's, in particular, against at least two-thirds less competition.



list is weighted way too much to contemporary players bruce. What  
plato : 5/13/2022 12:23 pm : link
about Arnie Weinmeister HOF, our great punter throughout the dark seventies whose name slips, bob Tucker a great TE, Charlie Conerly, Summerall TE and kicker, and i could go on.

List needs lots of work, even you must recognize that.
RE: list is weighted way too much to contemporary players bruce. What  
Big Blue '56 : 5/13/2022 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15707606 plato said:
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about Arnie Weinmeister HOF, our great punter throughout the dark seventies whose name slips, bob Tucker a great TE, Charlie Conerly, Summerall TE and kicker, and i could go on.

List needs lots of work, even you must recognize that.


I tend to agree, Steve. Not my list, it’s there’s..It’s impossible to make a perfect list, imo
their’s  
Big Blue '56 : 5/13/2022 12:36 pm : link
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As to my term, “relevant”  
Big Blue '56 : 5/13/2022 12:37 pm : link
I’m referring to the fact that these are not outdated, though views may vary
I knew Pat Summerall. Great guy.  
BigBlueNH : 5/13/2022 12:52 pm : link
But even he would admit that he belongs nowhere near a list of top 10 Giants. He was a pretty mediocre player who made some really clutch kicks. And, of course, an iconic announcer.

Pat was a huge fan of Kyle Rote, named one of his sons after him, and would certainly argue that he belongs on the list way before Pat (tho perhaps not before these 10).
No Sam Huff  
Giants73 : 5/13/2022 1:54 pm : link
5 straight championship games, the 4-3 was designed due to him.
RE: RE: list is weighted way too much to contemporary players bruce. What  
Fred-in-Florida : 5/13/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15707615 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 15707606 plato said:


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about Arnie Weinmeister HOF, our great punter throughout the dark seventies whose name slips, bob Tucker a great TE, Charlie Conerly, Summerall TE and kicker, and i could go on.


Dave Jennings

List needs lots of work, even you must recognize that.



I tend to agree, Steve. Not my list, it’s there’s..It’s impossible to make a perfect list, imo
allstar  
Mike from Ohio : 5/13/2022 2:25 pm : link
all things are relative to their time. While the old timers played when players were not the size and speed they are today, they also had no access to the weight training, nutrition and year round focus on their health today's athletes have. Most of those guys held down full time jobs while they played football because it was generally not a full time occupation.

You can no more put Tiki on a team from the 50s and suggest he would dominate than you could ask what some of those players would have become if they came of age in the modern times and had all of those same advantages.

Any yes, there is also the fact that blacks were excluded from the league then which greatly watered down the talent to generally only white players.
If it was in 'particular order'...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2022 7:53 pm : link
It is LT #1. By a mile.
we lack for all-time greats relative to some other franchises  
RasputinPrime : 5/14/2022 2:12 am : link
-Hein
-L.T.
-Strahan
-Robustelli
-Rosey Brown
-Simms
-Eli
-Gifford
-Tunnell
-Barber
RE: If it was in 'particular order'...  
Big Blue '56 : 5/14/2022 9:06 am : link
In comment 15708050 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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It is LT #1. By a mile.


In all of football as well
Tiki for Simms  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 5/14/2022 9:25 am : link
Phil has the Super Bowl MVP, but in terms of accomplishments I would put Tiki's career above Phil's. Gifford is important in the history of the game.
I can only speak to the Super Bowl era  
arniefez : 5/14/2022 9:47 am : link
anyone who played before 1965 I was too young to have an opinion on.

My Super Bowl Era Top 10

GM - George Young
HC - Bill Parcells

Players (not in any order except #1):
Lawrence Taylor
Harry Carson
Carl Banks
Leonard Marshall
Phil Simms
Mark Bavaro
Eli Manning
Michael Strahan
Justin Tuck
Osi Umenyiora

Honorable Mention:
Chris Snee/Tiki Barber


I would substitute Conerly for Robustelli.  
Elisha10 : 5/14/2022 9:57 am : link
A championship and MVP winning franchise QB who should be in the HOF is more important than a HOF DE who didn't start his career with the Giants. Conerly's career was very similar to Simms and Eli. All three were never considered the top QBs of their era, but were championship winning franchise QBs who all spent their entire 14 plus years with the Giants. Either all three should be on the list or none of them should be on the list. Is we were to rank players all time by position then Huff, Robustelli, Tiki, and a few others would go over the QBs, but QB is such an important position that they should all be on the list. You also can't make the argument that Simms had a better career than Conerly just because it was more recent.
I believe Conerly deserves strong consideration.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/14/2022 10:04 am : link
Goven that I started following the Giants in ‘56, I never heard the incessant boos Conerly heard prior to that. Steve (plato) and some others can speak to that. During my time, Conerly was beloved
Goven=Given  
Big Blue '56 : 5/14/2022 10:04 am : link
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RE: I can only speak to the Super Bowl era  
eli4life : 5/14/2022 11:17 am : link
In comment 15708379 arniefez said:
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anyone who played before 1965 I was too young to have an opinion on.

My Super Bowl Era Top 10

GM - George Young
HC - Bill Parcells

Players (not in any order except #1):
Lawrence Taylor
Harry Carson
Carl Banks
Leonard Marshall
Phil Simms
Mark Bavaro
Eli Manning
Michael Strahan
Justin Tuck
Osi Umenyiora

Honorable Mention:
Chris Snee/Tiki Barber



I’d mention jumbo way before snee and snee was one of my all time favorites.
Good point on Jumbo  
arniefez : 5/14/2022 11:46 am : link
I agree he should be on the honorable mention list ahead of Snee.
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