Just like last years oline went to hell in a hand basket 🧺 I have visions of no matter how many yes the other team needs on third down, this backfield will let them get it.
Jackson. Yet to play a entire season through
The rest of the CBs- yet to play an entire season and mostly less than a year in the league- all back- pretty much back benchers or rookies
McKinney good, Love heady but never a fully invested starter
The rest of the SSs yet to play an entire season and mostly pretty much back benchers or rookies
Seems like the recipe for the number1 draft pick right there
I just don’t see how anyone can be optimistic that this team will be in any games unless we get into a passing match. I mean we will be playing against pro QBs all season
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New coach, new GM, new staff. Why do we continually see the posts of gloom and doom? Just be excited that we are finally going in the right direction and don't let it become a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Pessimism is the default setting for some and any form of positivity or optimism is frowned upon. Those who indulge are guilty of wishful thinking given the certainty of the Giants reality, even though the reality for the 2022 version of the Giants has yet to be determined.
As I said to you in another thread:
The race is not always to the swift, nor battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet."
And another line, Martin Sheen in "The Departed."
"We deal in deception here. What we do not deal in is self-deception."
Words to live by.
Sure, we've seen teams go from worst to first before, and all kinds of things can happen over the course of a season. But I think we need to take a more realistic approach to 2022. I've said before that seven wins is not unreasonable, and I stand by that. Anything more is gravy to me.
Optimism is fine unless it's unbridled. I'm optimistic about the Giants finally going in the right direction, from the front office to the field, after ten years of mismanagement. However, I recognize that the "quick-fix" approach not only hasn't worked, but raised expectations to a totally unrealistic level. I don't intend to repeat past mistakes, and I trust the Giants won't, either.
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It’s clear we feel better about these dbs then youdo, darling. That’s some gettlemen level hubris.
Schoen has said that they'd be a better team with Bradberry, but he was put in an untenable position by the previous regime. and didn't want to repeat that regime's financial mistakes. Bradberry just wasn't worth what the Giants would have had to do to keep him, so Schoen decided to take the short-term pain and reap the long-term gain.
The Ryan situation is a little murkier, and I suspect, as others have, that it had less to do with the effect on the cap, and more to do with Ryan's presence in the locker room. I doubt Schoen would have released him without first consulting his coaches, especially the DB coaches held over from last year.
It's not that this year doesn't matter. It's understanding that the team is being built almost from scratch. It's understanding that the old way of sticking a band-aid here and a band-aid there just doesn't work, as the last ten years have shown. The team had to be torn down before it could be built up, and that's going to take time, clearly more than just one offseason. Anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves.
There is no pressure to "win now." There is a desire to show that the Giants can be run competently and efficiently, with an emphasis on sustainable success. Do that, and the wins will come. Maybe not this year, but for many years to come.
There may not seem like there is pressure to win now, but that will change in short order. There is. and there always is. Remember they were going to be more patient with Judge? 2 years, just like the rest. The mob will begin turning on Dabol after the first loss
If bradberry had to go, so be it. I don't mind gambling with the roster bonus. I feel he screwed it up though. They could have grabbed a cpl veteran corners for depth, similar to what he did with the OL. I think they gambled on sauce at 5, screwed up in the 2nd round. Even if they think Flott can play this year him and Arob are both small and inexperienced.
And Logan Ryan? That is baffling. They didn't save any money. With the Grevience it may cost MORE money to cut him them keep him as depth. Instead the 3rd saftey is mid round rookie.
can't judge the whole until it plays out, but the back end is paper thin, and I think there was some better moves to have been made. we will see.
I'm glad people are preaching patience, it's just that i have seen this movie before
As for the "mob," are they massing somewhere in East Rutherford with torches and pitchforks as we speak? I don't know...if, after the last ten years, the Visigoths haven't already sacked MetLife, I doubt they will anytime soon. I think most Giants fans recognize that they have to be patient - whether they like it or not. They don't expect miracles - they expect competence and professionalism, both of which have been in seriously short supply for a decade, but most notably in the past two years.
As for signing veteran OL but not a veteran CB, the OL was vastly more important. Haven't we been saying that for ten years? Shouldn't that have been Schoen's primary focus? And it's not like he gave out monster, multi-year contracts to marginal players. They're almost all one-year stopgaps, but they were still desperately needed. Even so, they couldn't do that with their limited resources and sign a couple of veteran CB's too. Nothing, though, should prevent him from signing a veteran CB over the Summer if one is available, the Giants can afford it, and they feel it's necessary.
As for the draft, you can guess that they might have picked Gardner had he been available, but I believe they were locked in on Thibs and were ecstatic to get him there. Could they have drafted a CB in the 2nd instead of trading down? Sure, but by trading down (twice) they were able to pick up a Safety and an ILB (both of which were bigger needs in my view), and still get the WR they coveted. I'd say Schoen played things out pretty well.
So, the back end is thin? The whole motherlovin' roster was thin when Schoen took over. It was arguably the least talented roster in the league. Thin? It was freakin' anorexic! If you thought that was going to get turned around in one offseason, I'm afraid you were mistaken. It was never going to be a one-year fix. It was always going to take a couple of yaars, at least. Again, I think the vast majority of Giant fans recognize that. If you don't, well, it's a free country, and you can always come here and vent.
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This is a list of All-Pro Outside Corners since 2015.
30% of them had top 10% armlength.
70% of them had top 50% armlength.
Basically every guy, 22/23, or 96%, had top 66% armlength.
current nyg corners arm length:
adoree jackson 31 3/8
aaron robinson 30 1/4
cordale flott 20 1/8
darnay holmes 29 1/2
this is why the bottom 3 were projected as slot corners, because their arm length alone puts them at a disadvantage compared to 96% of the players who have made all pro at outside corner.
bradberry had 33 inch arms so while he apparently wasn't a good fit for the scheme he did fill a void on the roster - one i think they'd be shortsighted to not try to at least add some depth with a cheap UFA or 2. I've said it a few other threads but Kevin King (6'3, 32 inch arms, 27 years old, 42 career starts) is the type they should take a flier on. Or kyle fuller or aj bouye.
Jackson- proven starter, 1st round athlete, only 26, played well in 21’
Robinson- ideal scheme fit, looked good when he played last year, great athlete with length and physical play style, ready to make the leap in year 2
Flott- 3rd round pick, oozing potential, incredible movement skills, ascending at age 20, some say he could’ve been a top 50 pick had he stayed one more year at LSU
Holmes- solid as a rookie, was coming around late last year before injury
Love- Jack of all trades, has always been a solid player when asked to play- no matter where he’s asked to line up
McKinney- has the makings of an all pro at FS. Outstanding in his first full season..only 23 years old too
Belton- 4th round pick, all big 10 player with ball production, heady player, versatile with size and decent speed
Corker- should have been drafted, good depth guy
I’m glad someone said this…..
Jackson, Mck, and Love are pretty good (when healthy)
The other guys are all young, hungry, and very promising. I think we will surprise. I also think we sign some veteran one year rental to help out this year.
what's the downside to a cheap vet for 1 year?
if a younger player plays better they still get in, if not they don't get picked apart like Baker, Balentine, Beal, Yiadom, Rodarius Williams in his 1 game last year, etc.
right, there's a reason they supposedly coveted Sauce.