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Giants sign KT and Evan Neal

YANKEE28 : 5/14/2022 1:17 pm
Tom Pelissero
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The #Giants have agreed to terms with No. 5 pick Kayvon Thibodeaux and No. 7 pick Evan Neal and both will sign after practice today, per source.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/14/2022 1:28 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano

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Replying to @RVacchianoSNY
Kayvon Thibodeaux’s contract is for four years, $31.3 million with a $20 million signing bonus.

Evan Neal’s contract is for four years, $24.6 million, with a $15 million signing bonus.

Both have fifth-year options for the team.
So now the challenge  
Joe Beckwith : 5/14/2022 1:28 pm : link
may be the rd 2,3,4,6 guys.
its a  
YANKEE28 : 5/14/2022 1:31 pm : link
$6.7 million dollar difference from being taken #5 to # 7. And $ 5 million of that is the signing bonus.
RE: So now the challenge  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/14/2022 1:35 pm : link
In comment 15708537 Joe Beckwith said:
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may be the rd 2,3,4,6 guys.


Why?

Also, ILB Micah McFadden (5th round), NT D.J. Davidson (5th round), OG Marcus McKethan (5th round), and ILB Darrian Beavers (6th round) already signed.
Good shit  
Keaton028 : 5/14/2022 1:41 pm : link
Everything seems to be moving pretty smoothly so far with this new regime
I will go out on a limb now and predict  
BigBlueNH : 5/14/2022 1:42 pm : link
that those are 2 5th year options that we will be exercising.
Great news.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/14/2022 1:42 pm : link
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I’m not sure the players love the 5th year option  
Ben in Tampa : 5/14/2022 1:46 pm : link
But boy is it nice to have five cost controlled years on these 1st round players.
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BestFeature : 5/14/2022 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15708535 Eric from BBI said:
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Ralph Vacchiano

@RVacchianoSNY
Replying to @RVacchianoSNY
Kayvon Thibodeaux’s contract is for four years, $31.3 million with a $20 million signing bonus.

Evan Neal’s contract is for four years, $24.6 million, with a $15 million signing bonus.

Both have fifth-year options for the team.


So maybe I'm overthinking this but there seems to be some relative unfairness in these contracts. The only reason Evan Neal went 7th and not 5th was because there were two top O-linemen available at 5 but only one top pass rusher. I bet if the Giants only had the #5 pick they would have chosen him. But because of how the board came out Neal gets a smaller contract.
I've been reading where more of the money...  
bw in dc : 5/14/2022 2:07 pm : link
in these rookie contracts is guaranteed. A very high %.

Curious to see how much of the money for KT and EN is guaranteed.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 5/14/2022 2:15 pm : link
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Ralph Vacchiano

@RVacchianoSNY
Replying to @RVacchianoSNY
Kayvon Thibodeaux’s contract is for four years, $31.3 million with a $20 million signing bonus.

Evan Neal’s contract is for four years, $24.6 million, with a $15 million signing bonus.

Both have fifth-year options for the team.



So maybe I'm overthinking this but there seems to be some relative unfairness in these contracts. The only reason Evan Neal went 7th and not 5th was because there were two top O-linemen available at 5 but only one top pass rusher. I bet if the Giants only had the #5 pick they would have chosen him. But because of how the board came out Neal gets a smaller contract.


Would be difficult to create a draft slot system that takes into account the context of each indivdual draft situation.
That's a huge difference financially  
90.Cal : 5/14/2022 2:23 pm : link
For just a difference of 2 draft slots. Time to get a #5 and a #70 jersey.
RE: I've been reading where more of the money...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/14/2022 2:28 pm : link
In comment 15708571 bw in dc said:
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in these rookie contracts is guaranteed. A very high %.

Curious to see how much of the money for KT and EN is guaranteed.


Art Stapleton

@art_stapleton
Both contracts for Thibodeaux and Neal are fully guaranteed, and both have fifth-year options that are fully guaranteed, as per the CBA and the rookie wage scale.

So two Giants cornerstones are in the fold and officially on the books.

Would imagine rest of class follows soon.
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BestFeature : 5/14/2022 2:31 pm : link
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Ralph Vacchiano

@RVacchianoSNY
Replying to @RVacchianoSNY
Kayvon Thibodeaux’s contract is for four years, $31.3 million with a $20 million signing bonus.

Evan Neal’s contract is for four years, $24.6 million, with a $15 million signing bonus.

Both have fifth-year options for the team.



So maybe I'm overthinking this but there seems to be some relative unfairness in these contracts. The only reason Evan Neal went 7th and not 5th was because there were two top O-linemen available at 5 but only one top pass rusher. I bet if the Giants only had the #5 pick they would have chosen him. But because of how the board came out Neal gets a smaller contract.



Would be difficult to create a draft slot system that takes into account the context of each indivdual draft situation.


Yeah, I get it and I'm not going to cry for Neal's millions but I feel he got gipped a little here.
bw in dc  
arniefez : 5/14/2022 2:34 pm : link
both contracts are 100% guaranteed for 4 years with a 5th year option. The signing bonuses are paid immediately and spread evenly across the 4 years to manipulate the cap hits.

YANKEES28 - In case no-one has said it today  
arniefez : 5/14/2022 2:43 pm : link
let me speak for everyone. Thank you for everything you contribute to BBI. It's really appreciated.

I am going to be really pissed off if things go south with Joe Schoen. The Giants have not shown this kind of organizational competence since the early 1980s IMO. He seems to have everyone on the same page from ownership on down and has energized everything around the Giants too. Right now with a 0-0 record it's pleasure to listen to him speak.
But I thought we were broke & Schoen  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/14/2022 3:47 pm : link
was moonlighting as a peddler outside Newark Penn?
Haven't the draft picks salaries been predetermined for a long time?  
Jack Stroud : 5/14/2022 4:00 pm : link
It seems it would be easy to get them signed.
RE: But I thought we were broke & Schoen  
eric2425ny : 5/14/2022 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15708627 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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was moonlighting as a peddler outside Newark Penn?


Based on what I saw yesterday it looks like he will be our starting QB.
RE: Haven't the draft picks salaries been predetermined for a long time?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/14/2022 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15708633 Jack Stroud said:
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It seems it would be easy to get them signed.


They are. The only hold ups these days are the structure, not the contact value. So, how the money is dispensed and when and under what circumstances.
Offsets are a prime reason for holdups  
johnnyb : 5/14/2022 5:45 pm : link
in signing contracts from what I remember reading in years past. If a player were to be cut and signed with another team how much of the salary would reduce the original salary.
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jvm52106 : 5/14/2022 6:06 pm : link
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Ralph Vacchiano

@RVacchianoSNY
Replying to @RVacchianoSNY
Kayvon Thibodeaux’s contract is for four years, $31.3 million with a $20 million signing bonus.

Evan Neal’s contract is for four years, $24.6 million, with a $15 million signing bonus.

Both have fifth-year options for the team.



So maybe I'm overthinking this but there seems to be some relative unfairness in these contracts. The only reason Evan Neal went 7th and not 5th was because there were two top O-linemen available at 5 but only one top pass rusher. I bet if the Giants only had the #5 pick they would have chosen him. But because of how the board came out Neal gets a smaller contract.


It doesn't matter the rookie contracts are slotted by draft position. No real negotiating like in the past.
I feel bad about the payment to these multimillionaires  
adamg : 5/14/2022 8:42 pm : link
It hurts my soul the unfairness of it all.
RE: its a  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/15/2022 7:43 am : link
In comment 15708539 YANKEE28 said:
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$6.7 million dollar difference from being taken #5 to # 7. And $ 5 million of that is the signing bonus.

It kind of sucks for EN that the draft fell the way it did. Had there been two premium edge guys there at #5 but only Neal at OT, Neal gets the bigger contract and the Giants take whichever remaining edge at #7.

It'll sort itself out over time, certainly. A great player will make much more in their 2nd (and potentially 3rd) contract(s) that make this a footnote. But still, EN gets less money right now because of how the draft fell.
RE: I feel bad about the payment to these multimillionaires  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/15/2022 7:44 am : link
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It hurts my soul the unfairness of it all.

Dynamite contribution, as usual.
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Gatorade Dunk : 5/15/2022 7:46 am : link
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Ralph Vacchiano

@RVacchianoSNY
Replying to @RVacchianoSNY
Kayvon Thibodeaux’s contract is for four years, $31.3 million with a $20 million signing bonus.

Evan Neal’s contract is for four years, $24.6 million, with a $15 million signing bonus.

Both have fifth-year options for the team.



So maybe I'm overthinking this but there seems to be some relative unfairness in these contracts. The only reason Evan Neal went 7th and not 5th was because there were two top O-linemen available at 5 but only one top pass rusher. I bet if the Giants only had the #5 pick they would have chosen him. But because of how the board came out Neal gets a smaller contract.



Would be difficult to create a draft slot system that takes into account the context of each indivdual draft situation.



Yeah, I get it and I'm not going to cry for Neal's millions but I feel he got gipped a little here.

I'm going to lean into my BBI grammar nerd persona here. It's "gypped" not "gipped" because it's a reference to gypsies.

TMYK
RE: That's a huge difference financially  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/15/2022 7:48 am : link
In comment 15708588 90.Cal said:
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For just a difference of 2 draft slots. Time to get a #5 and a #70 jersey.

I wouldn't get a #70 just yet. Have to imagine EN is going to angle for #73 (albeit less publicly than Kayvon did with #5), and only has a journeyman swing OT to negotiate with.

I'd expect that they'll both wear their college numbers.
I think the difference  
Carson53 : 5/15/2022 9:51 am : link
financially speaking, is edge rushers are valued higher in the pay scale generally speaking. The great news is that both are signed quickly, which has not always been done here with first round picks. That means they won't miss time moving forward.
BTW, Thibodeaux looks light talking to the media without pads on, how much does he weigh? I would guess about 250, but he looks light to me.
RE: RE: I feel bad about the payment to these multimillionaires  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/15/2022 10:25 am : link
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It hurts my soul the unfairness of it all.


Dynamite contribution, as usual.


lmao
Evan Neal talks transitioning back to Right Tackle and the connection  
Ira : 5/15/2022 5:03 pm : link
with Brian Daboll
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