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NFT: Any BBI Cheapie, Early Retirees?

Debaser : 5/14/2022 1:23 pm
Having just grown sick of the daily grind and the realization that I am probably going about this all wrong.

I am curious as to what sacrifices some early retired have made. Some examples might include always max 401kk; no cable so stopped watching baseball and only watch the NY Giants on free tv ; no going to bars or limiting your selection to just 2 drinks off the cheapest shlitz in a can they had; local vacations or vacations that consisted of mostly camping ; clothes from Walmart etc. or other things your daily grind friends might have scoffed at while they continue to commute into the office with no visible purpose but to spend on things they never stopped to consider why they are doin that.

My other concern is getting a woman to go along with this.
1st wife,  
cuty suzuki : 5/14/2022 1:45 pm : link
1st house, no kids. I also maxed out the 401k, but I thought that most people did.
I retired at 53.  
BigBlueNH : 5/14/2022 1:58 pm : link
One key is having a spouse whose health insurance you can get on. Coulodn't have done it without that. Otherwise, just keep making those 401k contributions. I never maxed out but was still able to amass about $1M in 20 years.

It also helps to live in a state (NH) with no income or sales tax; and I also maintained a modest home so my property taxes weren't too high either.
See that’s the thing  
Debaser : 5/14/2022 2:04 pm : link
I have to pay taxes out the butt even when I sold my apt.

Why do early retired max 401k when you can’t touch it till 59?

never pay a finance charge on your credit cards  
gtt350 : 5/14/2022 2:05 pm : link
always pay in full every month,
No kids really helps
have a diversefied portfolio with dividend paying stocks
don't gamble
RE: See that’s the thing  
gtt350 : 5/14/2022 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15708564 Debaser said:
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I have to pay taxes out the butt even when I sold my apt.

Why do early retired max 401k when you can’t touch it till 59?


because it grows tax free until then and you have a nest egg
you'll be surprised how fast 59 comes  
gtt350 : 5/14/2022 2:08 pm : link
no joke
I'd say  
Matt123 : 5/14/2022 2:58 pm : link
That while cutting costs like cable and other recurring expenses can add up over time, the big items matter most. That means if you buy a house, or even if you rent, go way below what you can afford. The next biggest expense is a car. Buy a modest one and aim to drive it for 15 years.

Save like a pessimist, invest like an optimist.


RE: See that’s the thing  
cuty suzuki : 5/14/2022 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15708564 Debaser said:
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I have to pay taxes out the butt even when I sold my apt.

Why do early retired max 401k when you can’t touch it till 59?


You can touch it earlier if you are really retired. There is a calculation using IRS's expected interest rate and expected date of your death. I withdrew that number for 4-5 years. After 59 you can do whatever you want with your account.
Just curious  
BH28 : 5/14/2022 4:18 pm : link
You are cutting materialistic things and retired early, what are you planning on doing with your life?
The keys are having a wife that makes good money  
Snablats : 5/14/2022 4:35 pm : link
And having no kids. You need those two things to be able to max out 401k. Or you yourself need to be making a ton of money
RE: Just curious  
Debaser : 5/14/2022 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15708641 BH28 said:
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You are cutting materialistic things and retired early, what are you planning on doing with your life?


I’m not 💯 sure but I don’t think it would mean never working again. It would be working maybe part time or doing jobs that are more catered to socializing if I have not found anyone like being a part time bar tender or part owner / worker of a bar. It would mean a lot more guitar playing maybe I can play more and even get some gigs to support my retirement money. Do some i traveling too.
Make more or spend less  
GrMtWoods : 5/14/2022 5:54 pm : link
Health and lifestyle can make some choices difficult.

Being a decent cook helps, we eat a lot better and far less expensively than most I know.

Same spouse and house (no remortgage) for more than three decades helps a shitload also.
RE: RE: Just curious  
BH28 : 5/14/2022 6:31 pm : link
In comment 15708660 Debaser said:
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You are cutting materialistic things and retired early, what are you planning on doing with your life?



I’m not 💯 sure but I don’t think it would mean never working again. It would be working maybe part time or doing jobs that are more catered to socializing if I have not found anyone like being a part time bar tender or part owner / worker of a bar. It would mean a lot more guitar playing maybe I can play more and even get some gigs to support my retirement money. Do some i traveling too.


Good for you
Cut your investment expenses  
give66 : 5/14/2022 6:46 pm : link
Low cost etfs and funds. Don't pay an advisor a percentage of assets. Term life instead of whole life insurance.
RE: you'll be surprised how fast 59 comes  
cjac : 5/14/2022 7:18 pm : link
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That’s what she said
for most people  
fkap : 5/15/2022 9:43 am : link
income tax is going to be their biggest single expense.

Ignoring that, property tax is my biggest single expense. NY is ridiculous. Hopefully, when I hit 65, that'll go way down. If not, southern low tax state here I come (can you say Tennessee?).

If pension isn't an option, you're going to need a lot of savings, especially if the house isn't paid off, or you're renting. The earlier you retire, the more savings you'll need. Yeah, you can cut expenses, but inflation (even when it isn't as out of control as now) means cost of living is always going up. Even living off the interest of your savings may not be viable soon if you're cutting it close now.

Best bet is to talk to a financial advisor. If you're cutting it close, it may be a better option to take a job less onerous and tread water for a few years.

And if your woman is more concerned about what you can spend on her than you, consider a new woman.

It's a balancing act between enjoying life and scrimping in order to save money. I might be sounding like an old geezer, but I get the feeling that too many folk (young and old) spend too much on enjoying life and then whining about not having enough savings. The earlier you skip a meal out and bank the money, the more you can save, the earlier you can retire.
I retired at 46  
steve in ky : 5/15/2022 6:54 pm : link
My son was only two and my wife was pregnant with our daughter so I had a lot of unknowns ahead.

Sixteen years later my biggest takeaway is that health care expenses will be dramatically higher than you expect and likely planned for. Also the farther out you go when retiring early the more money you need to invest in something that offers a return that will appreciate ahead of inflation.

It’s not for everyone but I have lived every minute of it and wouldn’t undo it if I had the chance.


Should read: loved every minute of it  
steve in ky : 5/15/2022 6:57 pm : link
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One more thing I want to add  
steve in ky : 5/16/2022 2:30 pm : link
And really this doesn’t apply to finances that you asked about biut if you retire early keep busy. Get yourself some hobbies or volunteer your time that keep you active and involved with something.
It would be hard to be a cheapie retiree, at least for me.  
Heisenberg : 5/16/2022 2:59 pm : link
What you're describing doesn't seem like "retirement" as it is living a more minimalist lifestyle. You're kind of talking about still working, but not quite as hard and with lower materialistic expectations. That's a big change in lifestyle. I'd be worried about feeling constrained by what a lower income can and cannot let me do. Travelling, for example, costs money.
RE: It would be hard to be a cheapie retiree, at least for me.  
Debaser : 5/16/2022 6:09 pm : link
In comment 15710413 Heisenberg said:
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What you're describing doesn't seem like "retirement" as it is living a more minimalist lifestyle. You're kind of talking about still working, but not quite as hard and with lower materialistic expectations. That's a big change in lifestyle. I'd be worried about feeling constrained by what a lower income can and cannot let me do. Travelling, for example, costs money.


I'd be doing jobs thay I enjoy and have the freedom to stop doing them when they were no longer enjoyable or when the asshole new boss shows up . i don't think travel necessarily has to cost that much. I almost can't even believe the vacations some of my colleagues take; total waste of time and money. They travel internationally to sit on some 4 star hotel; never learn one word of the language of the place they are visting ; and for all intenets and purpose could have done the same thing of sitting around a pool at the poconos for 150 a night
It all depends on  
GNewGiants : 5/16/2022 7:29 pm : link
How old you are
What your savings look like
Married? Kids?
Self sufficient when it comes to yard work, cooking, etc…

It seems like your better off finding another job or finding another career. Maybe go back to school and major something you enjoy.
RE: It all depends on  
Debaser : 5/17/2022 1:34 am : link
In comment 15710660 GNewGiants said:
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How old you are
What your savings look like
Married? Kids?
Self sufficient when it comes to yard work, cooking, etc…

It seems like your better off finding another job or finding another career. Maybe go back to school and major something you enjoy.


You're back ? I thought your account was suspended . It should be /you violated several of the rules in the code of conduct.
I think it best we ignore each other  
Debaser : 5/17/2022 1:41 am : link
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GNewGiants : 5/17/2022 6:44 am : link
In comment 15710851 Debaser said:
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In comment 15710660 GNewGiants said:


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How old you are
What your savings look like
Married? Kids?
Self sufficient when it comes to yard work, cooking, etc…

It seems like your better off finding another job or finding another career. Maybe go back to school and major something you enjoy.



You're back ? I thought your account was suspended . It should be /you violated several of the rules in the code of conduct.


Trying to be a helpful poster. And I’m glad you’re back after being suspended too. I’m sure you learned your lesson as well.

This is a great place to post and your topic is one many struggle with. I think it’s safe to say we have all thought about this. If you can swing it, you should.
RE: I think it best we ignore each other  
GNewGiants : 5/17/2022 6:49 am : link
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No reason too. This is a great forum with awesome football analysis and other NFTs. There’s nothing wrong with a little back and forth if done respectfully. I liked this topic and have thought of it in the past as well.
LOL  
Debaser : 5/17/2022 8:51 am : link
So since like the Dallas Cowboys playoff game you have been stalking, harassing , calling me the dumbest poster ; idiot; shitstain ; questioning my age ; trying to get me out of here; showing me no respect ; showing this place no respect , coming off like a flloish person at least with your dealings with me; but now you want to post on a thread that I created because you like the topic. I guess everyone deserves a second chance ; but i am just not buying this....

Also this is not about me per se , I really posted because I am curious to hear the stories of the others who have done it and are doing it.
Sorry  
GNewGiants : 5/17/2022 8:55 am : link
Just tried to contribute to a thread I was interested on. You’re making this a bigger deal than it needs to be.
RE: Sorry  
Debaser : 5/17/2022 9:09 am : link
In comment 15710951 GNewGiants said:
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Just tried to contribute to a thread I was interested on. You’re making this a bigger deal than it needs to be.


Fair enough so then go ahead. If you retired early let's hear the story ....
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GNewGiants : 5/17/2022 9:34 am : link
In comment 15710967 Debaser said:
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Just tried to contribute to a thread I was interested on. You’re making this a bigger deal than it needs to be.



Fair enough so then go ahead. If you retired early let's hear the story ....


Well the questions I asked determine how early is early. I am not in a position to retire now since I have a family but when it comes to late 50s - maybe it’s a position I can think of. That’s why I asked what I did. Are you in your 30s, 40s?

I mean I’ve looked into apartments and cost saving methods around my house until it’s time to sell. Just a ton of variables when going into this decision.
RE: RE: It would be hard to be a cheapie retiree, at least for me.  
Heisenberg : 5/17/2022 9:57 am : link
In comment 15710596 Debaser said:
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In comment 15710413 Heisenberg said:


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What you're describing doesn't seem like "retirement" as it is living a more minimalist lifestyle. You're kind of talking about still working, but not quite as hard and with lower materialistic expectations. That's a big change in lifestyle. I'd be worried about feeling constrained by what a lower income can and cannot let me do. Travelling, for example, costs money.



I'd be doing jobs thay I enjoy and have the freedom to stop doing them when they were no longer enjoyable or when the asshole new boss shows up . i don't think travel necessarily has to cost that much. I almost can't even believe the vacations some of my colleagues take; total waste of time and money. They travel internationally to sit on some 4 star hotel; never learn one word of the language of the place they are visting ; and for all intenets and purpose could have done the same thing of sitting around a pool at the poconos for 150 a night


If you can be happier working less, making less and spending less, then it sounds like you should work on a plan to do that. For me (three kids in college), that's not currently an option.

I'm 52 and I'm planning on working for at least 10 more years. My wife may retire from working with the CT State in 5 years - she'll have a nice pension and we will get retiree medical insurance. At that point, we're thinking about downsizing to a home with no mortgage and I'll re evaluate if I still want to do what I'm doing.

It will be hard to give up a nice six figure salary though as it does pay for me to travel and stay in 4 star (even 5 sometimes) hotels. :)
I understand that a pack of cigarettes can be $7 or more.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/17/2022 3:00 pm : link
If you smoke a lot, that adds up quickly. When I quit over 40 years ago, they were selling for around $.65 per pack in the machines..

Not going to bankrupt you but that’s a lot of money per year..
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