BBV: New York beat writers paint a bleak picture

fall.

Inexcusable, to put it mildly. They've tried everything except for removing Ronnie Barnes from his position. Seems like a great guy and everything, but it's absolutely that time, IMO.

6-11 and still have a successful season. DG as GM was the worst employee the Giants have ever had. One of the worst GM's in the history of professional sports. It remains to be seen whether or not Schoen and Daboll will be successful after their promotions, but it feels like the Giants have a professional running the franchise. DG was a total clown. Spoke to the media in such an unprofessional way and made one terrible decision after another.

I hope we give them a big old shit burger to eat

and it's a throwaway year and anyone expecting to go to the superbowl needs to come back to earth and find reality. On top of that beatwriters write for a paycheck and they pull shit out of their asses to come up with a story. The wins and losses are played out on a field not in a writer's cubicle banging out words on a keyboard.

It’s the safe easy bet because no one will knock you for saying, they’ve been bad for so long, so I’ll believe it when I see it. They’ll surpass those expectations.

Why is predicting the most likely outcome gutless? Does predicting 10-7 make someone courageous, or just dumb?

This is a bad football team in the process of being rebooted.

In comment 15708623 UberAlias said:

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It’s the safe easy bet because no one will knock you for saying, they’ve been bad for so long, so I’ll believe it when I see it. They’ll surpass those expectations.

They’ll surpass those expectations? Based on what, exactly?This team is awful. Have you been paying attention?

The schedule, on paper @ least, isn't too daunting. New regime seems-at least to this point-to be competent. The OL should be much, much better.

Hate to throw in the caveat, but so much is going to come down to how Daniel Jones looks. If he takes a leap under this new staff, we could be much better than the average BBIer thinks. Time will tell. I'm just hoping that watching the Giants isn't a chore come late September.

In comment 15708609 mattlawson said:

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I hope we give them a big old shit burger to eat

The ad that popped up under this post was for Schweid & Sons burgers. No joke.

In comment 15708595 Dave in Hoboken said:

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Inexcusable, to put it mildly. They've tried everything except for removing Ronnie Barnes from his position. Seems like a great guy and everything, but it's absolutely that time, IMO.

The Jets play on the same surface, why is it they have less injuries? I think it because of their poor training staff and lousy medical staff.

The Giants will have a competent to very good offense. The line will be much improved. They will get more production out of the tight end position. Barkely behind and improved line and with better play calling will do well if he can stay healthy. Same for
Toney. I like DJ much more than many of our other posters.

What worries me is the corner play and the dearth of players on the DL to stop the run.

Giants fans should be optimistic, but not bc they’re going to be a contender. Optimistic there are signs of better decision making, which bodes well for the future

This is still a 4-6 win team, until they prove otherwise

In comment 15708629 bwitz said:

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In comment 15708623 UberAlias said: Quote: It’s the safe easy bet because no one will knock you for saying, they’ve been bad for so long, so I’ll believe it when I see it. They’ll surpass those expectations. They’ll surpass those expectations? Based on what, exactly?This team is awful. Have you been paying attention?

The offensive line is better than last year, the coaching is better than last year. The biggest issue now is corners and safeties

With the easier schedule the team should look competent, which should be an upgrade from last year

Realistic picture maybe?

will not be good or great this season. A great season from Jones should get us 8, 9 or maybe 10 wins.

A bad season from Jones gets us those records which is fine because we will be in a great spot to try and get a rookie QB.

Again

Yeah we won only 4 games last year pretty much fielding a minor league team especially the last 7 weeks. If we played with a mediocre QB we could have won at least 2 more games.
Nonetheless this team has improved just by bringing in average players in FA and having a very good draft. The OL will be better, the defense added speed and even if DJ plays mediocre with this schedule 7/8 wins are not unrealistic. Sorry let the doomsayers stick to their guns but one thing I have learned as a football fan is that teams can turn it around quicker than you think. Again not predicting anything more than an improvement with 3 or 4 more wins.

Straight up.

In comment 15708642 mfsd said:

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Giants fans should be optimistic, but not bc they’re going to be a contender. Optimistic there are signs of better decision making, which bodes well for the future This is still a 4-6 win team, until they prove otherwise

Yep.
I am highly optimistic that I will enjoy the 2022 season.

In comment 15708664 Brown_Hornet said:

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In comment 15708642 mfsd said: Quote: Giants fans should be optimistic, but not bc they’re going to be a contender. Optimistic there are signs of better decision making, which bodes well for the future This is still a 4-6 win team, until they prove otherwise Yep. I am highly optimistic that I will enjoy the 2022 season.

Well stated Hornet, that s the point

drafted well, does not mean they will play well. 4 to 6 wins seems very reasonable.

In comment 15708628 Go Terps said:

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Why is predicting the most likely outcome gutless? Does predicting 10-7 make someone courageous, or just dumb? This is a bad football team in the process of being rebooted.

I still say they go 8-9

Just realistic.

there anyone that actually thinks otherwise? Anything can happen, but it'd be a good sign for the future if this team reaches 7 wins.

and ditto for the all the FAs and vets, we will still be very vulnerable to injuries. Because we lack depth, one or two key injuries (either tackle, one of the safeties or CBs, and more) could cost us 2-3 wins. I don't think 5-6 wins is necessarily pessimistic.

Last year they were bad and the outlook was very bleak. Bleak doesnt even do it justice if we're being honest. Last year was my worst as a fan. I've never been as down on this team as I was last year. A rudderless laughingstock.

This year they are likely to be bad again. I think the organization has made strides but isnt even halfway there. But I don't feel like it's bleak. I think they're on an upswing. Straightening out the cap, modern offense and aggressive defense, two top 10 picks, new scouting department. There's some promise.

Would be a huge step in the right direction this season

That’s about the best I think they got in them.

This is "A New Hope"

Than next year you get "The Mara's Strike Back / Return Of Tisch"

Put out together like Back to The Future 2 and 3

In comment 15708629 bwitz said:

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In comment 15708623 UberAlias said: Quote: It’s the safe easy bet because no one will knock you for saying, they’ve been bad for so long, so I’ll believe it when I see it. They’ll surpass those expectations. They’ll surpass those expectations? Based on what, exactly?This team is awful. Have you been paying attention?

Better coaching improved Oline fewer injuries significantly better play calling two impact players at major positions of need. Yes I’ve been paying attention, have you?

. Better coaches
Better players
Easier schedule
God willing , less injuries

Dammit, 8 wins is not inconceivable

In comment 15708668 joeinpa said:

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In comment 15708664 Brown_Hornet said: Quote: In comment 15708642 mfsd said: Quote: Giants fans should be optimistic, but not bc they’re going to be a contender. Optimistic there are signs of better decision making, which bodes well for the future This is still a 4-6 win team, until they prove otherwise Yep. I am highly optimistic that I will enjoy the 2022 season. Well stated Hornet, that s the point

What happened to the “they’re a playoff team until they are not”?...

to have another 6 win season would be very painful, however, I’m a realist and know we’re starting essentially from scratch. Seeing improvement this season, providing hope for better years ahead would be nice! If we have to bring in a new rookie QB next year, it’ll be a few more years of potential misery.

in most cases they're behind bbi on even the simplest aspects of things.

how many times did they collectively fire coughlin pre-SB 42?

did any of them have Thibodeaux on the radar for the 5th pick?

were any of them at all clued in on the fact that the nyg had deals agreed to with other clubs for bradberry?

...heel.

Than it is to act contrite if the Giants underachieve. The beats are playing it smart.

Haven’t easily been one of the absolute worst teams in the league for the last decade? Particularly pitiful for the last 4 years. They should be assumed to remain as such until proven otherwise. Let’s hope they actually show some life on the field for once this year.

In comment 15709135 Dave in PA said:

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They should be assumed to remain as such until proven otherwise.

this is fair but then what are any predictions worth?

vegas is at least a proxy with some accountability built in.

In comment 15709120 Brown_Hornet said:

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...heel.

Sorry but that is one of my favorite things spouted off last year...

...until it's not.

;)

Only wish Getts had said it...

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In comment 15709135 Dave in PA said: Quote: They should be assumed to remain as such until proven otherwise. this is fair but then what are any predictions worth? vegas is at least a proxy with some accountability built in.

not worth much

Last year we didn’t draft any Oline. Let that sink in. And in 2019 we didn’t draft an Oline until round 7 with our 9th selection. Just think about that for a minute.

I don’t think this is a 2-3 win 1st pick in the draft type team though.

Guessing outcomes for a sports season is certainly more fun than skill.

For the teams I follow, I usually think about it in terms of odds versus predictions.

I think the elements with good odds of improving are: Daboll has more recent success as a play caller, Neal and Thibs are high talent additions, the talent floor on the oline looks higher.

I'm not optimistic there are other elements that will improve.

And ultimately the biggest factor will be Jones hitting the ground running in a new system, and staying healthy. I don't think that's high odds.