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Vanzetti : 5/14/2022 8:50 pm
Bassitt with a rough first inning with a HBP and 2 BBs.

Mets score in bottom of first on a triple by Marte and sing by Lindor.

Maz behind the plate tonight.
People really love their bobble heads  
Debaser : 5/14/2022 8:54 pm : link
It’s Alonso bobble head night and I noticed a lot Mets fans on the train two hours before game time and it was also rain delayed one hour.
I’m getting a bit tired of waiting  
CooperDash : 5/14/2022 9:04 pm : link
for Dom to “figure it out”.
Dom and JD both  
Vanzetti : 5/14/2022 9:20 pm : link
Give them another 6 weeks with consistent playing time. If they are both still doing nothing, then I think Mets have to start thinking trade for a bat.
This kid Kirby  
Vanzetti : 5/14/2022 9:20 pm : link
has good stuff
If the Mets give Dom another six weeks to do  
CooperDash : 5/14/2022 9:24 pm : link
nothing then I will seriously question their management.
ball not carrying to right  
Vanzetti : 5/14/2022 9:40 pm : link
at all
This is where having  
Rory : 5/14/2022 10:43 pm : link
A weapon like lugo is so clutch
The matchup all Polish Mets fans have been waiting for  
Vanzetti : 5/14/2022 10:53 pm : link
Jankowski vs Misiewicz
So when exactly does Winker get drilled.  
CooperDash : 5/14/2022 11:07 pm : link
Yes, he seems to own the Mets, but he also showboats quite a bit while doing it.

Also, pretty shitty performance by Lugo and Shreve.
mets bullpen  
Vanzetti : 5/14/2022 11:08 pm : link
It's held up well so far but Im not confident it will all season

Lugo and Shreve both falling behind.
Not just falling behind  
Snablats : 5/14/2022 11:12 pm : link
But Shreve missed his spot on the HR by 1.5 feet. Was supposed to be outside corner and he threw it inside corner to a HR hitter when the last thing you wanted was a HR

You just cannot do that. If you miss, you miss away and walk him

Lugo hasnt been the same since 2019
Maz turned on that one  
Vanzetti : 5/14/2022 11:15 pm : link
Nice having a LH hitting catcher.
RE: Not just falling behind  
Vanzetti : 5/14/2022 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15708910 Snablats said:
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him

Lugo hasnt been the same since 2019


He pitched well out of the pen in 2020 (2.62 ERA). He went to pieces when the "braintrust" moved him into the starting rotation.

Has not been the same since then. Too bad, because he was a weapon before that.
RE: RE: Not just falling behind  
Eric on Li : 5/14/2022 11:26 pm : link
In comment 15708916 Vanzetti said:
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him

Lugo hasnt been the same since 2019



He pitched well out of the pen in 2020 (2.62 ERA). He went to pieces when the "braintrust" moved him into the starting rotation.

Has not been the same since then. Too bad, because he was a weapon before that.


as much as i disliked BVW i blame that one on stroman (which i guess is in part the fault of BVW by proxy). real crappy move to leave his teammates high and dry with that last second opt out.
Mets need some more runs  
Vanzetti : 5/14/2022 11:34 pm : link
!!
Smith is a concern  
moespree : 5/14/2022 11:41 pm : link
He's just not hitting. I don't know how long you can give him. I get the excuses of he doesn't have enough at bats, but at some point....he does. It's not really an excuse that's holding up for me, he's not some 2nd year player trying to find himself.
RE: Smith is a concern  
Vanzetti : 5/14/2022 11:42 pm : link
In comment 15708928 moespree said:
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He's just not hitting. I don't know how long you can give him. I get the excuses of he doesn't have enough at bats, but at some point....he does. It's not really an excuse that's holding up for me, he's not some 2nd year player trying to find himself.


yeah, he is hitting .177
Mets are going to need middle relief  
larryflower37 : 5/14/2022 11:54 pm : link
At the deadline. I hope Diaz has finally turned the corner he was nasty tonight again.
RE: Mets are going to need middle relief  
Vanzetti : 5/14/2022 11:56 pm : link
In comment 15708939 larryflower37 said:
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At the deadline. I hope Diaz has finally turned the corner he was nasty tonight again.


That last pitch was something. 100 mph fastball sweeping across the plate. Winker had to swing because it was a strike.
Diaz has been unbelievable  
Everyone Relax : 5/14/2022 11:57 pm : link
This year. I think if we judged his season just based on my heart rate during his save ops this year it’d be down at least 60% compared to the last 2. My doc says thanks
RE: Not just falling behind  
Rory : 5/15/2022 12:20 am : link
In comment 15708910 Snablats said:
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But Shreve missed his spot on the HR by 1.5 feet. Was supposed to be outside corner and he threw it inside corner to a HR hitter when the last thing you wanted was a HR

You just cannot do that. If you miss, you miss away and walk him

Lugo hasnt been the same since 2019


Lugo is a different Lugo 1st half of the season compared to 2nd half. I'm willing to bet he will be in his groove summer time.
RE: RE: Not just falling behind  
Ira : 5/15/2022 5:27 am : link
In comment 15708955 Rory said:
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But Shreve missed his spot on the HR by 1.5 feet. Was supposed to be outside corner and he threw it inside corner to a HR hitter when the last thing you wanted was a HR

You just cannot do that. If you miss, you miss away and walk him

Lugo hasnt been the same since 2019



Lugo is a different Lugo 1st half of the season compared to 2nd half. I'm willing to bet he will be in his groove summer time.


I hope you're right. Having good Lugo with good Diaz would be a huge factor for continuing the Mets run to the playoffs.
Gsellman  
Debaser : 5/15/2022 9:08 am : link
I don’t know why the didn't resign rob Gsellman. He was hurt a lot and was terrible for a few years but last year he had 3.77 era. That’s not bad at all for a mid reliever.
Gsellman  
CooperDash : 5/15/2022 9:50 am : link
Because he’s just not very good. He only able to get a minor league deal from the Cubs after he was non-tendered but the Mets and was only recently called up…and he’s unsurprisingly struggled since his call-up.

He’s probably depressed now that he’s not on the same team as his BFF Noah.
he plays the heel but if the M's sell Winker would be a great add  
Eric on Li : 5/15/2022 10:21 am : link
for the DH spot at the deadline. He'd be perfect hitting 5th behind Alonso and the mets could pretty easily hide him vs. lefties. He isn't playing that well on the season either and only has 1 year left after this one, if that's still the case in a couple months he'd be a nice buy low.
Nido, Dom and Junior Santos  
Vanzetti : 5/15/2022 10:36 am : link
for a short-term rental of Willson Contreras.

Catcher is such a black hole in this lineup that adding a guy who can hit .280 with 20 HRs improves the offense dramatically

Then add JD Martinez for JD Davis and Holdermann.


Contreras is going to have a big market  
Eric on Li : 5/15/2022 10:38 am : link
would think he will bring back a prospect in the PCA-realm if the market is as strong as it was last year at the deadline. he's been the best offensive catcher in the game so far this year.
Have to think the Mets will give Diaz  
Metnut : 5/15/2022 10:45 am : link
the qualifying offer if it remains in place right?
RE: Contreras is going to have a big market  
Metnut : 5/15/2022 10:46 am : link
In comment 15709134 Eric on Li said:
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would think he will bring back a prospect in the PCA-realm if the market is as strong as it was last year at the deadline. he's been the best offensive catcher in the game so far this year.


Is he a pure rental? Do the Cubs have a nice bullpen arm they can throw in? Would be really hard to give up Vientos/Baty in that type of deal, but not sure how else we’d win a bidding war.
RE: Have to think the Mets will give Diaz  
Eric on Li : 5/15/2022 10:49 am : link
In comment 15709138 Metnut said:
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the qualifying offer if it remains in place right?


if he pitches well there's no way they let him walk. the entire BP is basically UFAs (May, Lugo, Ottavino, Williams) in the offseason so there will be $ available.

they have a bunch of extension decisions to make with him, Bassitt, Nimmo, and JDG if he opts out but i dont think anyone they want to keep will get away. nimmo is the guy who seems most likely to test waters and i don't think they are going to match a big deal for him if he gets it (150m+).
RE: RE: Contreras is going to have a big market  
Eric on Li : 5/15/2022 10:57 am : link
In comment 15709140 Metnut said:
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would think he will bring back a prospect in the PCA-realm if the market is as strong as it was last year at the deadline. he's been the best offensive catcher in the game so far this year.



Is he a pure rental? Do the Cubs have a nice bullpen arm they can throw in? Would be really hard to give up Vientos/Baty in that type of deal, but not sure how else we’d win a bidding war.


with cohen anyone can be brought back, but McCann would still be on the books this offseason they'd be looking at probably $100m combined on 2 catchers on multi-year deals with Alvarez on their heels.

i think the $ is better allocated towards the pitching staff and continuing to try to get by with placeholders at C until Alvarez is ready. It sounds like McCann should be back by the deadline so if anything id try to grab another vet backup on the cheap now just as insurance over the next couple months. a chirinos type. but probably better to give nido/mazeika a week or two to see if it's even an upgrade.
RE: Gsellman  
Debaser : 5/15/2022 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15709078 CooperDash said:
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Because he’s just not very good. He only able to get a minor league deal from the Cubs after he was non-tendered but the Mets and was only recently called up…and he’s unsurprisingly struggled since his call-up.

He’s probably depressed now that he’s not on the same team as his BFF Noah.

So he belongs in the minors ? Why do he can set records as being the best in minor league baseball?
He pitched 5 games in triple A ; started 4 of them; and had a 1.17 ERA.

Is Trevor Williams really that much better than him. He does fill the token long hair but at least with gsellman you get the vetoing the band back together when deform comes back. Plus I think gsellman has greater upside potential
RE: RE: Gsellman  
Mike in NY : 5/15/2022 12:41 pm : link
In comment 15709209 Debaser said:
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Because he’s just not very good. He only able to get a minor league deal from the Cubs after he was non-tendered but the Mets and was only recently called up…and he’s unsurprisingly struggled since his call-up.

He’s probably depressed now that he’s not on the same team as his BFF Noah.


So he belongs in the minors ? Why do he can set records as being the best in minor league baseball?
He pitched 5 games in triple A ; started 4 of them; and had a 1.17 ERA.

Is Trevor Williams really that much better than him. He does fill the token long hair but at least with gsellman you get the vetoing the band back together when deform comes back. Plus I think gsellman has greater upside potential


The issue with Gsellman is that he didn’t generate a lot of swing and miss. When the ball is put in play bad things can happen.
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pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 12:52 pm : link
Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Mets say they have placed Tylor Megill on the IL with right lat inflammation. He will undergo an MRI.
Holderman  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 12:53 pm : link
called up, Trevor May moved to 60-day IL
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CooperDash : 5/15/2022 12:59 pm : link
In comment 15709220 pjcas18 said:
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Mets say they have placed Tylor Megill on the IL with right lat inflammation. He will undergo an MRI.


I was wondering when the injury report was going to come out on Megill after his poor outing.

Hopefully he’s fine but I feel like every time a pitcher has a “out of character” poor outing there must be some injury excuse and they go for a bunch of tests. I’m pretty sure I heard Ronnie say in the past that pitchers arms are ALWAYS inflamed/in pain after starts.

But like I said, hopefully he’s fine and can get back on track.
RE: RE: Gsellman  
CooperDash : 5/15/2022 1:03 pm : link
In comment 15709209 Debaser said:
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Because he’s just not very good. He only able to get a minor league deal from the Cubs after he was non-tendered but the Mets and was only recently called up…and he’s unsurprisingly struggled since his call-up.

He’s probably depressed now that he’s not on the same team as his BFF Noah.


So he belongs in the minors ? Why do he can set records as being the best in minor league baseball?
He pitched 5 games in triple A ; started 4 of them; and had a 1.17 ERA.

Is Trevor Williams really that much better than him. He does fill the token long hair but at least with gsellman you get the vetoing the band back together when deform comes back. Plus I think gsellman has greater upside potential


I never said that he belongs in the minors. But there is a reason he could only get a minor league deal. My point is that Gselman-type pitchers are a dime a dozen. He just hasn’t been very good at the pro level.
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spike : 5/15/2022 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15709220 pjcas18 said:
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Mets say they have placed Tylor Megill on the IL with right lat inflammation. He will undergo an MRI.


Now it s right bicep inflammation
RE: RE: RE: Gsellman  
Debaser : 5/15/2022 1:29 pm : link
In comment 15709230 CooperDash said:
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Because he’s just not very good. He only able to get a minor league deal from the Cubs after he was non-tendered but the Mets and was only recently called up…and he’s unsurprisingly struggled since his call-up.

He’s probably depressed now that he’s not on the same team as his BFF Noah.


So he belongs in the minors ? Why do he can set records as being the best in minor league baseball?
He pitched 5 games in triple A ; started 4 of them; and had a 1.17 ERA.

Is Trevor Williams really that much better than him. He does fill the token long hair but at least with gsellman you get the vetoing the band back together when deform comes back. Plus I think gsellman has greater upside potential



I never said that he belongs in the minors. But there is a reason he could only get a minor league deal. My point is that Gselman-type pitchers are a dime a dozen. He just hasn’t been very good at the pro level.


He’s been hurt a lot and played bad in recent years ; the point you’re making about no one signing him isn’t a relevant one considering his injuries and otherwise bad condition play in recent years. Having an under 4 ERA is pretty darn good at the major league level
RE: RE: RE: RE: Gsellman  
Mike in NY : 5/15/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15709240 Debaser said:
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Because he’s just not very good. He only able to get a minor league deal from the Cubs after he was non-tendered but the Mets and was only recently called up…and he’s unsurprisingly struggled since his call-up.

He’s probably depressed now that he’s not on the same team as his BFF Noah.


So he belongs in the minors ? Why do he can set records as being the best in minor league baseball?
He pitched 5 games in triple A ; started 4 of them; and had a 1.17 ERA.

Is Trevor Williams really that much better than him. He does fill the token long hair but at least with gsellman you get the vetoing the band back together when deform comes back. Plus I think gsellman has greater upside potential



I never said that he belongs in the minors. But there is a reason he could only get a minor league deal. My point is that Gselman-type pitchers are a dime a dozen. He just hasn’t been very good at the pro level.



He’s been hurt a lot and played bad in recent years ; the point you’re making about no one signing him isn’t a relevant one considering his injuries and otherwise bad condition play in recent years. Having an under 4 ERA is pretty darn good at the major league level


That was his first sub 4 since 2016. 5.19, 4.28, 4.66, and 9.64 from 2017-2020.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Gsellman  
CooperDash : 5/15/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15709242 Mike in NY said:
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Because he’s just not very good. He only able to get a minor league deal from the Cubs after he was non-tendered but the Mets and was only recently called up…and he’s unsurprisingly struggled since his call-up.

He’s probably depressed now that he’s not on the same team as his BFF Noah.


So he belongs in the minors ? Why do he can set records as being the best in minor league baseball?
He pitched 5 games in triple A ; started 4 of them; and had a 1.17 ERA.

Is Trevor Williams really that much better than him. He does fill the token long hair but at least with gsellman you get the vetoing the band back together when deform comes back. Plus I think gsellman has greater upside potential



I never said that he belongs in the minors. But there is a reason he could only get a minor league deal. My point is that Gselman-type pitchers are a dime a dozen. He just hasn’t been very good at the pro level.



He’s been hurt a lot and played bad in recent years ; the point you’re making about no one signing him isn’t a relevant one considering his injuries and otherwise bad condition play in recent years. Having an under 4 ERA is pretty darn good at the major league level



That was his first sub 4 since 2016. 5.19, 4.28, 4.66, and 9.64 from 2017-2020.


Also, that 3.77 ERA was across a small sample size (only 28 innings) and that was after a horrendous showing in the minors before that.

He’s not very good.
They should pull Sazpucki from his start today  
Metnut : 5/15/2022 2:04 pm : link
and throw vs STL tomorrow. Peterson isn’t available.
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pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15709232 spike said:
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Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
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Mets say they have placed Tylor Megill on the IL with right lat inflammation. He will undergo an MRI.



Now it s right bicep inflammation


his mother said "it's just inflammation" and he'll be fine - I'm guessing "mama megill" is breaking the MRI results on Twitter.

Starting to get the same feel as last season where the team starts  
CooperDash : 5/15/2022 3:48 pm : link
out strong and then starts to falter when the bullpen regresses. Hopefully they don’t wait long before making changes.
RE: Starting to get the same feel as last season where the team starts  
Rory : 5/15/2022 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15709315 CooperDash said:
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out strong and then starts to falter when the bullpen regresses. Hopefully they don’t wait long before making changes.


Who’s a available RP that would be a instant impact?

Does Dom get it done for Devin Williams with SD ?
RE: RE: Starting to get the same feel as last season where the team starts  
CooperDash : 5/15/2022 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15709331 Rory said:
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out strong and then starts to falter when the bullpen regresses. Hopefully they don’t wait long before making changes.



Who’s a available RP that would be a instant impact?

Does Dom get it done for Devin Williams with SD ?


Don’t know. There’s not likely to be anyone available this early in the season and Dom isn’t netting us anything right now.

Hopefully, they can right the ship. They aren’t going to win every single series this year but some cracks are starting to show and we’ve seen this movie many times as a Met fan.

The pitching (starters and relievers) have been scuffling a bit and the offense hasn’t been lights out either. And the Braves/Phillies will be around all season.
This Mariners team has a lot of bark with fans for a team that  
CooperDash : 5/15/2022 4:32 pm : link
is four games under .500
RE: This Mariners team has a lot of bark with fans for a team that  
KDubbs : 5/15/2022 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15709339 CooperDash said:
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is four games under .500


seriously, a lot of unlikeable clowns on this shitty team
I can’t believe we’ve given up 16 hits to this team.  
CooperDash : 5/15/2022 4:44 pm : link
Ugh, poor showing against a crappy American League team.
Let's go  
KevinBBWC : 5/15/2022 4:54 pm : link
win this.
WTF are you swinging at Pete?  
CooperDash : 5/15/2022 5:01 pm : link
Ugh
They are now 9-8 in their last 17  
moespree : 5/15/2022 5:04 pm : link
.
Bleh  
PakistanPete : 5/15/2022 5:04 pm : link
:/
Damn Alonso  
KevinBBWC : 5/15/2022 5:04 pm : link
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Field umps should have ZERO say in check swings.  
CooperDash : 5/15/2022 5:04 pm : link
Whether you feel it was a swing or not, it is the most inconsistent call that these morons make.

But Pete fucked that up by swinging at a pitch two feet out of the strikezone. Oh well.
and now is when  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 5:05 pm : link
as Mets fans, we are prepared for and expecting the worst to start happening.

also, Nimmo is arguably the best player on the team, and he's a FA after the season, I know he has an injury history but a Steve Cohen owned team can't be scared of injuries, they need to lock up Nimmo.

Terrible pitching  
spike : 5/15/2022 5:05 pm : link
Today.
RE: They are now 9-8 in their last 17  
CooperDash : 5/15/2022 5:05 pm : link
In comment 15709366 moespree said:
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Yup, scuffling.
It's starting to get a little anxious  
moespree : 5/15/2022 5:08 pm : link
There are familiar signs starting to emerge. Injuries are beginning, bullpen is not pitching as good as it did and the hitting is both hot and cold.

Difference is an experienced manager and veteran presence that wasn't there last time. Hopefully it can avoid the worst.
Some good news  
pjcas18 : 5/15/2022 5:13 pm : link
Holderman had a scoreless inning in his major league debut.

And maybe Alvarez is turning the corner on his slump - probably a good thing for him to deal with some adversity early in his pro career.

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Mets top prospect Francisco Álvarez continued good stretch for Double-A Binghamton today with two hits.

The catcher is 8-for-19 with two doubles and three walks in his last five games.
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