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BrettNYG10 : 5/15/2022 1:40 am
Hopefully both teams have fun.

Good morning, Carl.

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Interesting  
Kyle in NY : 5/16/2022 12:25 pm : link
I know he does a lot of work with the goalie data service that he started. Either way, its Rangers fans gain to have him
For 40 years we got our asses handed to us.  
Carl in CT : 5/16/2022 12:25 pm : link
Now we have a team that a tough team. We play scumbag hockey? How about Look at the penalities asshole. Someone should have take Crosby out with a massive hit yesterday. BTW I like being the bully finally.
RE: and the MSG studio is the bee's knees  
ColHowPepper : 5/16/2022 12:33 pm : link
In comment 15710152 Greg from LI said:
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Vally has been one of the best analysts around for a while now, and Hank is better than I expected.

Absolutely, Vally, that studio clip of him dragging himself forward on his knees after gwg was hilarious. Every game he comes up with good insight, player positioning, movement, defensive movement, etc.

Hank has improved, a lot, as the season has gone on into SCP, lends gravitas as to mood/tenor in the locker room. Earlier in the season, as a HOF keeper and an AHL keeper, they were kind of tip-toeing around each other, but they've gotten comfortable with each other and it's fun to watch.
Most of BBI wanted Tony D gone  
Vanzetti : 5/16/2022 12:35 pm : link
and still refuse to acknowledge what a dynamic player he is on the ice

He and Slavin together are what makes the Hurricanes so tough. They constantly push the puck and are good skaters. Slavin is also a good defender (Tony D not so much).

Rangers are very lumbering compared to them. But it's hard not to get caught up playing their high octane style.

That said, playoffs usually favor the more physical team. Rangers really need to come out on the forecheck and also hammer these guys.

Trouba could be big in this series

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BrettNYG10 : 5/16/2022 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15710174 pjcas18 said:
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I thought I read/heard that he got offers from TNT/ESPN but chose to stay at MSG.



Maybe because he's a Rangers fan so it's kind of his dream job and his homerism is always on display IMO (and not in a bad way). He's not Jack Edwards level homer, but he's definitely always commenting and speaking with a NY Rangers bias.


He is definitely biased. He's better than Michelleti and Rosen in that regard, but still biased.
Actually Reaves does serve a purpose vs Carolina  
Snablats : 5/16/2022 12:39 pm : link
The Canes D is fast skating puck moving. What Fred Shero did to Bobby Orr in the playoffs was dump it into his corner and pound him the way Reaves does with checks. Shero did it again to Potvin in the 79 Islanders series win

Dump in and plaster their D into the boards, take their legs away
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arcarsenal : 5/16/2022 12:49 pm : link
Goodrow could potentially return this round per Gallant.
RE: Actually Reaves does serve a purpose vs Carolina  
Vanzetti : 5/16/2022 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15710193 Snablats said:
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The Canes D is fast skating puck moving. What Fred Shero did to Bobby Orr in the playoffs was dump it into his corner and pound him the way Reaves does with checks. Shero did it again to Potvin in the 79 Islanders series win

Dump in and plaster their D into the boards, take their legs away


I agree. Biggest mistake would be try to match Hurricanes speed. That's playing their game and a guaranteed way to lose.

Rangers need to come out and go Hanson brothers on this team.
RE: RE: and the MSG studio is the bee's knees  
BestFeature : 5/16/2022 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15710163 BrettNYG10 said:
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Vally has been one of the best analysts around for a while now, and Hank is better than I expected.



Vally is incredible - eloquent, informative, and teaches you without talking down to you.

You'd think our fan base would be smarter than it is with him as one of our analysts.


Favorite analyst of all time. Don't forget what a great personality he has. He's hilarious.
I'd sit Reaves  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2022 12:54 pm : link
if Goodrow can go, if not, the upgrade isn't enough to sit Reaves IMO and if you need to you can activate Reaves in game 2 or beyond.

I do think for fans who haven't see a lot of the Canes beyond the three or four games in the regular season you will all hate Trocheck by the end of the series if you don't already. You might remember him from the Panthers. He's the Canes version of a Marchand/Gallagher IMO. Not as extreme as Marchand by any stretch, but just a hard nosed agitator with skill.

Svechnikov is IMO their best player. Better than Aho, and Svechnikov is not afraid to be physical, even to his own detriment. You might recall his ill-advised fight with Ovi in the playoffs. It did not end well for Svechnikov.

but mostly, even though many of you will call the Hurricanes players pieces of shit, dirty, scum bags - lol- they don't have many players like that.

Maybe Domi or TDA are the closest.



It's not the 1970s  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2022 12:57 pm : link
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RE: It's not the 1970s  
BrettNYG10 : 5/16/2022 1:10 pm : link
In comment 15710217 Greg from LI said:
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Explain this level of inflation then!
realistically  
bigbluehoya : 5/16/2022 1:19 pm : link
I think we should adjust any expectations of Reaves hitting the suite.

I get the hockey reasons for it. But he's a big presence in the room and they seem to take that stuff very seriously.

I'm not defending it -- I just don't think anyone is going to get what they're asking for on that front as far as him sitting.

either way, it would be great to have both Goodrow and Motte in the lineup.
You can't hit who you can't catch  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2022 1:23 pm : link
And those guys are going to skate circles around Reaves.

I expect you all are right and he'll stay in the lineup, but I also expect his lack of speed to be a big problem.
Nice to see Daboll at the game  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/16/2022 1:28 pm : link
RE: You can't hit who you can't catch  
Snablats : 5/16/2022 1:28 pm : link
In comment 15710246 Greg from LI said:
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And those guys are going to skate circles around Reaves.

I expect you all are right and he'll stay in the lineup, but I also expect his lack of speed to be a big problem.

They couldnt catch Orr, either. But it worked against him

As someone here stated, you cant try to match their speed because the Rangers arent close to fast enough. Gotta slow them down

Like Mick said to Rocky - go to the body, take their will away
RE: RE: It's not the 1970s  
Bones : 5/16/2022 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15710228 BrettNYG10 said:
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Explain this level of inflation then!


Good one.
Thank you Rangers  
Tom in DC : 5/16/2022 3:00 pm : link
Of all the franchises across all the sports, I hate the Penguins the most. Thank you, job well done.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/16/2022 3:48 pm : link
Igor saved every third period shot he faced this series.

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Game 1 - 12/12
Game 2 - 16/16
Game 5 - 15/15
Game 6 - 8/8
Game 7 - 12/12

63/63

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arcarsenal : 5/16/2022 4:12 pm : link
In comment 15710467 BrettNYG10 said:
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Igor saved every third period shot he faced this series.



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Game 1 - 12/12
Game 2 - 16/16
Game 5 - 15/15
Game 6 - 8/8
Game 7 - 12/12

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He had a .990 sv% from the 2nd period on in the entire series.
Those stats  
pjcas18 : 5/16/2022 4:15 pm : link
are awesome, and indicative of how Igor performed all year.

I think it's important though to include for thoroughness he was chased from games 3 and 4. So he couldn't allow any goals in the 3rd period in those games, and couldn't have a lower save percentage since he was on the bench.

not taking anything away from him, but...
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arcarsenal : 5/16/2022 4:18 pm : link
Yep, there are caveats there for sure.

But, you do like to see that he's largely leveled-up during the highest leverage moments.

He played almost 2 entire games in Game 1 alone and made over 70 saves.
RE: Those stats  
BrettNYG10 : 5/16/2022 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15710500 pjcas18 said:
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are awesome, and indicative of how Igor performed all year.

I think it's important though to include for thoroughness he was chased from games 3 and 4. So he couldn't allow any goals in the 3rd period in those games, and couldn't have a lower save percentage since he was on the bench.

not taking anything away from him, but...


Pipe down.

(I posted the game by game stats to show that and also knew everyone here knew that, lol)
What do you think caused the Rangers turnaround?  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/16/2022 4:21 pm : link
Mika stepping up?
The kids line giving life?
Brett starting the game threads?
The Shesterkin pass to Mika?
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arcarsenal : 5/16/2022 4:33 pm : link
I think a lot of it was just getting back to our game and doing a lot of the things we had been doing all year.

Mika came alive at the very last minute. If we hadn't made it out of Game 5, he would have taken a beating for his performance in the series. Instead, he woke up, scored some of the biggest goals of the entire slate and won some huge FO's.

It just felt like a light came on in Game 5. When we scored 3 goals in < 3 minutes or whatever it was, there was a palpable feeling that the tide might have finally turned.

Almost ran out of time.. but better late than never. This team has been doing this all year long.
They're a flawed team but a dangerous one  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2022 4:38 pm : link
They have a handful of very high skill guys who can struggle all game long and then strike quickly for multiple goals, and their power play can be deadly.
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Kyle in NY : 5/16/2022 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15710522 arcarsenal said:
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I think a lot of it was just getting back to our game and doing a lot of the things we had been doing all year.

Mika came alive at the very last minute. If we hadn't made it out of Game 5, he would have taken a beating for his performance in the series. Instead, he woke up, scored some of the biggest goals of the entire slate and won some huge FO's.

It just felt like a light came on in Game 5. When we scored 3 goals in < 3 minutes or whatever it was, there was a palpable feeling that the tide might have finally turned.

Almost ran out of time.. but better late than never. This team has been doing this all year long.


I felt that too, but still, they were flat to start game 6 and they go down two again. If Rodrigues doesn't take that bad penalty, I'm not sure we're here. But then Mika scores immediately on the PP, that gets him going and he takes over the rest of the game. That penalty is a turning point for me, because given how streaky Mika is, that confidence he got off that goal carried through the rest of the series. He was a different player

Plus, Igor played an incredible game 7. Kept us in it when we were on our heels at times. As he found his game and the star players came alive, we had a chance again
RE: What do you think caused the Rangers turnaround?  
BrettNYG10 : 5/16/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15710509 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Mika stepping up?
The kids line giving life?
Brett starting the game threads?
The Shesterkin pass to Mika?


Brett starting the game threads, obviously.
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arcarsenal : 5/16/2022 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15710548 Kyle in NY said:
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I think a lot of it was just getting back to our game and doing a lot of the things we had been doing all year.

Mika came alive at the very last minute. If we hadn't made it out of Game 5, he would have taken a beating for his performance in the series. Instead, he woke up, scored some of the biggest goals of the entire slate and won some huge FO's.

It just felt like a light came on in Game 5. When we scored 3 goals in < 3 minutes or whatever it was, there was a palpable feeling that the tide might have finally turned.

Almost ran out of time.. but better late than never. This team has been doing this all year long.



I felt that too, but still, they were flat to start game 6 and they go down two again. If Rodrigues doesn't take that bad penalty, I'm not sure we're here. But then Mika scores immediately on the PP, that gets him going and he takes over the rest of the game. That penalty is a turning point for me, because given how streaky Mika is, that confidence he got off that goal carried through the rest of the series. He was a different player

Plus, Igor played an incredible game 7. Kept us in it when we were on our heels at times. As he found his game and the star players came alive, we had a chance again


For sure. I think the reason why the flip in Game 5 was so big is because it reinforced that they could get back from that 2 goal hole... in game 6, it was almost like "okay, here we are again.. we just did this."

At the point when we were down 0-2 in Game 5, it felt like there was a fork in the road and we were either just going to roll over and get trounced or wake up and fight back. You could almost sense the team had a newfound sense of confidence after that and were not going to lose.

I honestly felt strangely at peace during the entire game last night. I knew we were going to find a way. I've never wached a Game 7 that relaxed before.. maybe I'm getting older. I just felt like there was no way we were losing. Even when we were down a goal with under 5 to play.
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Matt M. : 5/16/2022 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15710554 arcarsenal said:
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I think a lot of it was just getting back to our game and doing a lot of the things we had been doing all year.

Mika came alive at the very last minute. If we hadn't made it out of Game 5, he would have taken a beating for his performance in the series. Instead, he woke up, scored some of the biggest goals of the entire slate and won some huge FO's.

It just felt like a light came on in Game 5. When we scored 3 goals in < 3 minutes or whatever it was, there was a palpable feeling that the tide might have finally turned.

Almost ran out of time.. but better late than never. This team has been doing this all year long.



I felt that too, but still, they were flat to start game 6 and they go down two again. If Rodrigues doesn't take that bad penalty, I'm not sure we're here. But then Mika scores immediately on the PP, that gets him going and he takes over the rest of the game. That penalty is a turning point for me, because given how streaky Mika is, that confidence he got off that goal carried through the rest of the series. He was a different player

Plus, Igor played an incredible game 7. Kept us in it when we were on our heels at times. As he found his game and the star players came alive, we had a chance again



For sure. I think the reason why the flip in Game 5 was so big is because it reinforced that they could get back from that 2 goal hole... in game 6, it was almost like "okay, here we are again.. we just did this."

At the point when we were down 0-2 in Game 5, it felt like there was a fork in the road and we were either just going to roll over and get trounced or wake up and fight back. You could almost sense the team had a newfound sense of confidence after that and were not going to lose.

I honestly felt strangely at peace during the entire game last night. I knew we were going to find a way. I've never wached a Game 7 that relaxed before.. maybe I'm getting older. I just felt like there was no way we were losing. Even when we were down a goal with under 5 to play.
I'd like to say the same. While I always felt fairly confident, I wasn't at ease. There were too many quirky goals or quick strikes, etc. from the Penguins to not allow me to relax.
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Kyle in NY : 5/16/2022 5:07 pm : link
Definitely agree that if you'd told me we'd be here after the second Pittsburgh goal in game 5, I'd have never believed it. We were done. They showed a ton of heart and caught a few breaks, to be fair. But that's how it goes
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BrettNYG10 : 5/16/2022 5:07 pm : link
Rangers, IMV, got incredibly lucky in some ways - Domingue starting, Crosby missing a game, getting power plays at the right times.

They were outplayed this series. They have to do better, but they can win getting 'outplayed' due due to their elite talent and goaltending.
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Kyle in NY : 5/16/2022 5:08 pm : link
That's good though, arc. These games still leave me a nervous wreck. Like I'm a kid again. I love it and hate it all at once lol
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arcarsenal : 5/16/2022 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15710561 Kyle in NY said:
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That's good though, arc. These games still leave me a nervous wreck. Like I'm a kid again. I love it and hate it all at once lol


Lol, it was a strange contrast because I went out for Game 6 and was with a group of about 20 NYR fans and was nowhere near as relaxed or calm for that one.

I think I kind of looked at it like... Game 5 was the obvious must-win to stay alive and then we had to weather Game 6 somehow in their building. I felt like if we could just get it back home, we were going to win the series.

But, even still. I used to be an absolute lunatic.. especially during the 2014/15 runs. Even when I watched games by myself, I couldn't sit down. I'd pace around the entire time. I've certainly tamed a bit from those days.
What do you think caused the Rangers turnaround?  
arniefez : 5/16/2022 5:17 pm : link
Pretty simple. Pittsburgh had to play most of game 5 and all game 6 without one the greatest hockey players in history who up until that point was dominating the series.
RE: ....  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/16/2022 5:24 pm : link
In comment 15710560 BrettNYG10 said:
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Rangers, IMV, got incredibly lucky in some ways - Domingue starting, Crosby missing a game, getting power plays at the right times.

They were outplayed this series. They have to do better, but they can win getting 'outplayed' due due to their elite talent and goaltending.


Rangers had 1 power play the first 125 minutes of the series. Whatever they got after that was long overdue.
Igor  
five5 : 5/16/2022 5:49 pm : link
Keeps them in almost every game and gives them a chance. Why do they usually get outplayed/outshot with their ‘elite’ talent? I am not at all questioning some of their skill but it is kinda strange that they don’t control play more.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/16/2022 6:01 pm : link
In comment 15710571 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Rangers, IMV, got incredibly lucky in some ways - Domingue starting, Crosby missing a game, getting power plays at the right times.

They were outplayed this series. They have to do better, but they can win getting 'outplayed' due due to their elite talent and goaltending.



Rangers had 1 power play the first 125 minutes of the series. Whatever they got after that was long overdue.


True - my point was less about the amount of calls and more about the timing of the calls. We got them when needed.
2 areas Rangers need to work on.  
ciggy : 5/16/2022 6:15 pm : link
Improve the forecheck And get better on clearing our D zone.

I thought that Pens really gave us fits in those areas and expect that Canes will try to do the same.

DeAngelo is a very good offensive defenseman. However from what I remember of Tony D, I can’t wait to see him trying to clear Kreider in front of the net.
RE: 2 areas Rangers need to work on.  
FrankHuntington : 5/16/2022 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15710599 ciggy said:
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Improve the forecheck And get better on clearing our D zone.

I thought that Pens really gave us fits in those areas and expect that Canes will try to do the same.

DeAngelo is a very good offensive defenseman. However from what I remember of Tony D, I can’t wait to see him trying to clear Kreider in front of the net.


I agree for the most part. Its weird, our forecheck looked pretty good in game 1 and last night, but they aeemed very indecisive in general offensively until maybe the last 5 period of the series.

100% the biggest thing is getting the puck out of our end. Its almost as if Pitt knew exactly how and where we wanted to start our exit because there was ALWAYS either a Ranger that was manned or a Penguin beat us to the puck. Its sorta seems we panic on the breakout and go along the boards by default. We might to start carrying the puck out to draw in an opposing guy and THEN make the pass. It was beyong frustrating
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pjcas18 : 5/16/2022 6:27 pm : link
In comment 15710571 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Rangers, IMV, got incredibly lucky in some ways - Domingue starting, Crosby missing a game, getting power plays at the right times.

They were outplayed this series. They have to do better, but they can win getting 'outplayed' due due to their elite talent and goaltending.



Rangers had 1 power play the first 125 minutes of the series. Whatever they got after that was long overdue.

Why was it overdue?

Is it possible the Pens only committed one obvious penalty in the first 125 minutes? or is the only reason the Rangers had just the one power play because the refs (and Toronto - can't forget Toronto) were out to get the Rangers in the first 125 minutes because they all wanted Crosby and the Pens to advance?

As far as Reaves....  
FrankHuntington : 5/16/2022 6:31 pm : link
I am really torn. On one side, I cant argue against how much more he slows us down. But even if he connects on 50-60% of the hits than he did vs Pitt, it could really get into the heads of the Canes. I think Motte is such a bonus.

I think I lean towards Hunt, Motte and Reaves....I cant stand Rooney's game and he takes quite a few penalities for how little ice time he gets.
Crosby and Pens  
ciggy : 5/16/2022 6:49 pm : link
Just finished catching up on this thread.

First of all, kudos to whoever posted the Torts quotes about Pittsburgh being such whiners. That was great. I know Torts is a guy who eventually wears out his welcome. But he was such a quintessential New York character and I really loved his take no prisoners attitude when talking to the media. He always spoke his mind sometimes to his detriment

Second I understand that Crosby is an incredible two way player and is one of the all time greats. I get it. But it’s a bad look for your franchise when your best player is a whiny asshole. I just read his comments about the helmet issue and the stupid rule that cost them the series. It’s no wonder the entire organization are a bunch of constant whiners. He sets the tone.

Finally kudos to PJ. He called this when it was 3-1 and all of us Ranger fans were losing hope. As a non Ranger fan with lot of hockey knowledge he was able to see things most of us did not. Most importantly that great goaltending is the most important thing in hockey.
SNY  
Ira : 5/17/2022 6:38 am : link
In an effort to prevent Rangers fans from entering PNC Arena, anyone outside of North Carolina has been barred from buying tickets to Round 2 games between the Rangers and Hurricanes https://on.sny.tv/rKjWulB
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SNY  
Ira : 5/17/2022 6:39 am : link
In an effort to prevent Rangers fans from entering PNC Arena, anyone outside of North Carolina has been barred from buying tickets to Round 2 games between the Rangers and Hurricanes https://on.sny.tv/rKjWulB
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RE: SNY  
shyster : 5/17/2022 6:50 am : link
In comment 15710866 Ira said:
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In an effort to prevent Rangers fans from entering PNC Arena, anyone outside of North Carolina has been barred from buying tickets to Round 2 games between the Rangers and Hurricanes https://on.sny.tv/rKjWulB Link - ( New Window )


For direct sales from the Hurricanes' website. Plenty of tickets available to all on the secondary market.
Good morning!  
rnargi : 5/17/2022 7:44 am : link
Nice little clip here...
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RE: SNY  
Costy16 : 5/17/2022 8:44 am : link
In comment 15710866 Ira said:
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In an effort to prevent Rangers fans from entering PNC Arena, anyone outside of North Carolina has been barred from buying tickets to Round 2 games between the Rangers and Hurricanes https://on.sny.tv/rKjWulB Link - ( New Window )


Not going to work. We already all live down here. Just bought my tickets for Game 2 this morning. Rangers fans have been showing up in droves to Hurricanes games since they moved down and started in Greensboro in 1997.
RE: 2 areas Rangers need to work on.  
Costy16 : 5/17/2022 8:59 am : link
In comment 15710599 ciggy said:
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Improve the forecheck And get better on clearing our D zone.

I thought that Pens really gave us fits in those areas and expect that Canes will try to do the same.

DeAngelo is a very good offensive defenseman. However from what I remember of Tony D, I can’t wait to see him trying to clear Kreider in front of the net.


One of the most glaring struggles this year vs Carolina was carrying out of the D-zone and getting through the neutral zone.

Rangers are going to have to dump it in and get dirty.
RE: What do you think caused the Rangers turnaround?  
Vanzetti : 5/17/2022 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15710565 arniefez said:
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Pretty simple. Pittsburgh had to play most of game 5 and all game 6 without one the greatest hockey players in history who up until that point was dominating the series.


Yup

Fans always want to credit their team with doing something strategic that changed things. But no doubt that Crosby going out gave the Rangers a huge advantage.

But that's hockey. Sid needed to look up and he didn't. And Trouba took him to the cleaners.
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