In case I don’t find a ticket on the sidewalk, any opinions on a worthy establishment near the Garden to watch the game? Gots to feel that
Game 7 buzz in the streets!
or played well. The turning point in the series IMO was Igor's pass to Mika on the PP.
Not sure many people know how hard it is to go tape to tape on a stretch pass, maybe CHP can enlighten us how hard it is for a goalie. That was in the class of "no one else in the league is doing stuff like this".
that said, I thought the Pens outplayed the Rangers and Igor kept them it on both ends (lol).
This may seem harsh to fans but it's actually a good thing and why I think the Rangers win, they've gotten to a game 7 without doing much and against a 3rd string NHL journeyman in net who looks like he turned into a pumpkin finally. And if he doesn't play it's a goalie who hasn't seen game action in over a month.
This stat sums up a lot of what I feel like I have been seeing - the Rangers *should* be scoring more, but just aren't.
that won't last, often these stats regress to the mean especially with small sample and it all comes to roost in a game 7.
from money puck on xG - 4 Pens before the first Ranger shows up. And that first Ranger who is scoring at or above the level when he should is Andrew Copp (and I acknowledge playoffs is a SSS, but it is for everyone)
I just don't want to see them dominate. They need to play better. Simple as that. Even if we do advance, this type of play and effort won't cut it against the Hurricanes.
I just don't want to see them dominate. They need to play better. Simple as that. Even if we do advance, this type of play and effort won't cut it against the Hurricanes.
was Igor's pass on the PP. I think it was the stupid retaliatory penalty Rodrigues took when the Rangers were down. It literally changed the tone of that game and possibly the series. If he does not take that penalty, I'm not convinced there is a game tonight!
A young team that fought back will get the Penguins best game of the series. Experience means a lot in hockey. The Penguins have a big edge in playoff experience and the Rangers are just getting it. If the Rangers are tight and can’t stop the Penguins from dominating face offs and dominating the slot in front of Igor, this may be their last stand.
But I think I actually PREFER to have a cold Jarry coming back from a broken foot early. I kinda get the feeling that the Pens are living on a prayer that Jarry will pick right up where left off pre-injury because Domingue has shown off his holes. The way Pittsburgh has played, crashing their d men deep into the zone all the time tells me they think they need to score 4/5 goals in games where Domingue is in net.
that Crosby was not in fact diagnosed with a concussion. He had a headache so there was concern, but he testing didn't reveal a concussion, and he never exhibited any further symptoms. Frank Seravalli - ( New Window )
RE: I don't think the turning point of this series
was Igor's pass on the PP. I think it was the stupid retaliatory penalty Rodrigues took when the Rangers were down. It literally changed the tone of that game and possibly the series. If he does not take that penalty, I'm not convinced there is a game tonight!
Another good one, I think the pass gave Igor some confidence though and maybe gave him some swagger back, he did give up the tying goal after this but his play seemed to pick up after that pass and he looked to me more like regular Igor.
Last game. Not hige plays, but he depossessed a Penguins a couple times in the O zone and was starting to really buzz around Pitt's end as the game went on.
Would love to keep him and Copp. I like the scoring of Vatrano, but just feel Motte and Copp offer more from a team perspective. Hopefully we can afford both while letting Straight me walk.
or played well. The turning point in the series IMO was Igor's pass to Mika on the PP.
I haven't liked their game on either side of the red line, so I'm with you pj.
Here's a slightly different take on your graphic, but team wide, 5 v 5 all teams Round 1. Be warned, it ain't pretty:
or played well. The turning point in the series IMO was Igor's pass to Mika on the PP.
I haven't liked their game on either side of the red line, so I'm with you pj.
Here's a slightly different take on your graphic, but team wide, 5 v 5 all teams Round 1. Be warned, it ain't pretty:
Been so careless with his stick. Panarin and Fox are playing like it’s a stroll in the park. Fortunate to be tied but at the same it’s a big let down with that late goal.
Is that really what the guy is looking at in Toronto to get all of these "different angles"? Just a room with 16 screens playing the same televised game feed?
English soccer can draw a line to figure out to the fingernail when someone is offside. They publish that to the fans and it is resolved. Just freaking draw a line from the crossbar to his stick
But, this is ridiculous. All series, every questionable calls works against the Rangers. That one should have been easy. The puck was over the crossbar and the stick was above his shoulder.
I hate to say it, but I agree with this. We just haven’t really played well since Game 2. Besides brief spurts against an AHL goalie we haven’t looked very good. It’s hard to overcome that.
He cant be any softer and has been awful in this series
Incredibly difficult play to stop, I'm not putting that one on Miller. You have to do everything possible while not committing a penalty from behind, that's not on him.
There is no urgency to their game. They look spent. Trade Panarin to Toronto. Guy is a star against the bad teams but when he plays against the better teams he is awful.
He cant be any softer and has been awful in this series
Incredibly difficult play to stop, I'm not putting that one on Miller. You have to do everything possible while not committing a penalty from behind, that's not on him.
Agreed. And silly as it may seem, knocking the stick off for that moment changed the timing for Igor. Dumb luck for pitt
vs Malkin's breakaway Miller did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to stop him, never even touched him
He barely touched Rodriguez's stick this time. He has to do whatever it takes to stop the attempt. He obviously could reach the guy's stick, so you have to whack it so hard to knock it loose - even if that means diving. It isnt a hard play when you are right behind him and you are 6'5
Igor’s had a great season but holy shit is he just bad this entire series. You cannot allow that third goal - Rodriguez didn’t even make a move
Let’s see how they play in the third period but they’ve played a ridiculously awful game thru two periods
The Rangers have been awful this series, but there is no way Igor could have thought that the puck would be lifted given Miller’s play on the puck. Sometimes to have to tip your hat to the other team. Igor has been great tonight, the team in front of him has sucked
There is no urgency to their game. They look spent. Trade Panarin to Toronto. Guy is a star against the bad teams but when he plays against the better teams he is awful.
There is no urgency to their game. They look spent. Trade Panarin to Toronto. Guy is a star against the bad teams but when he plays against the better teams he is awful.
I honestly dont have a problem with dealing Panarin for cap relief at this ppoint, but Toronto really cant afford him.
His play in this series is reminiscent of Randle against the Hawks last year. He legitimately looks like he is scared. I loved the guy as a player, but his performance this postseason has been dreadful.
Igor’s had a great season but holy shit is he just bad this entire series. You cannot allow that third goal - Rodriguez didn’t even make a move
Let’s see how they play in the third period but they’ve played a ridiculously awful game thru two periods
I disagree. The Rangers have played well in spurts. If they're that bad, why are they literally 2 inches from a 2-1 lead in this game? And had game 1 stolen from them? They arevin...and can win...this game.
no on trading Panarin. People are going to overreact to one series as usual, although five5 has been consistent in hammering him this year, very odd how much he hates a guy like Panarin. Rangers can still win this game but if they dont there's no reason to overreact to anything that happened. We knew some of the issues well before this series. This team arrived earlier than we expected but still a year or two away from truly being cup contenders.
RE: I'd get rid of Trouba before I get rid of Panarin
no on trading Panarin. People are going to overreact to one series as usual, although five5 has been consistent in hammering him this year, very odd how much he hates a guy like Panarin. Rangers can still win this game but if they dont there's no reason to overreact to anything that happened. We knew some of the issues well before this series. This team arrived earlier than we expected but still a year or two away from truly being cup contenders.
How is it overreacting if the guy is taking his eyes off the puck because the game is faster and then the puck routi ely runs off his stick. THAT as well as his salary warrant a discussion. I love watching him when he is playing his game in the regar season, but that entire second line looks like dogshit except for Copp.
I would trade Vatrano, Copp and Motte for Panarin and Strome right now in terms of who to keep.
RE: RE: RE: I'd get rid of Trouba before I get rid of Panarin
Trouba has actially been visible this series and offers more dimension than Panarin who has NEVER done anything in big spots.
You're right. Trouba has been more visible....in an adverse way.
What????
Im honestly stunned....I have no idea what you have been watching.
I HAVE noticed that you have been in full love with Panarin all year and hating on Trouba even tho he has been stalwart d player for the Rangers. C worthy.
and is here. Trouba has been up and down in this series, where his partner has been really bad. And Fox hasnt been good, either. Neither has Panarin
Pittsburgh is playing with much more urgency, like its a Game 7. The Rangers have handled the puck like its a grenade
I agree with everything you have said except for your take on Miller.....he too had been up and down, but he is a 2nd year D.I think Fox has gotten too much credit this series because if points. As a defenseman he has been far less responsible with the puck. His 70 foot passes are infuriating.
I dont think I am concerned with this Anak person's view of Trouba when he says that he has been worse than Trouba. Trouba has a far tougher assignment and Panarin has been far far worse in the series.
and is here. Trouba has been up and down in this series, where his partner has been really bad. And Fox hasnt been good, either. Neither has Panarin
Pittsburgh is playing with much more urgency, like its a Game 7. The Rangers have handled the puck like its a grenade
I agree with everything you have said except for your take on Miller.....he too had been up and down, but he is a 2nd year D.I think Fox has gotten too much credit this series because if points. As a defenseman he has been far less responsible with the puck. His 70 foot passes are infuriating.
I dont think I am concerned with this Anak person's view of Trouba when he says that he has been worse than Trouba. Trouba has a far tougher assignment and Panarin has been far far worse in the series.
on this thread are absolutely asinine. He hasn't had a good series but these takes are the definition of overreaction. He's one of the 10 best players in the sport no matter which way you look at it, he has a full NMC clause, and the Rangers arent going to trade him regardless. Teams would be lining up to do so if Panarin was willing to waive it and the Rangers were willing to trade him.
Has been atrocious in this series. In the playoffs, you need to be able to play a 200’ game. He can’t do that. He is always looking to leak out for an offensive chance. His defensive zone coverage is non-existent. How many giveaways? Terrific offensive player but there is a reason he hasn’t performed against the better teams.
Has been atrocious in this series. In the playoffs, you need to be able to play a 200’ game. He can’t do that. He is always looking to leak out for an offensive chance. His defensive zone coverage is non-existent. How many giveaways? Terrific offensive player but there is a reason he hasn’t performed against the better teams.
Don't include everyone in with the Eddie Mush Brigade
I love (almost) all of you here, but having to read about trading Panarin down 1 in game 7 is killing me.
I get its extreme, but after watching the way he has played this series, would you not rather have Vatrano, Copp and Motte signed going forward instead of Strome and paying 10 mill a year to Panarin after watching how they have all played in the playoffs?
I thought it is worth a consideration. Sorry if that sounds nuts but Panarin is a monster contract showing up like Minnie Mouse when dollars count with this team.
This is Laf's time to shine. Or Kakko. Or Vatrano.
Doesn't seem to give up rebound opportunities. So attackers have to think they have a way in before just delivering the puck to his glove. But maybe better to do that than keep searching haplessly with more passes. Shoot! And then shoot again.
RE: This is Laf's time to shine. Or Kakko. Or Vatrano.
Don't include everyone in with the Eddie Mush Brigade
I love (almost) all of you here, but having to read about trading Panarin down 1 in game 7 is killing me.
I get its extreme, but after watching the way he has played this series, would you not rather have Vatrano, Copp and Motte signed going forward instead of Strome and paying 10 mill a year to Panarin after watching how they have all played in the playoffs?
I thought it is worth a consideration. Sorry if that sounds nuts but Panarin is a monster contract showing up like Minnie Mouse when dollars count with this team.
Frank with all due respect it's not just extreme it's extremely dumb. On no planet would I rather have Vatrano, Copp and Motte instead of Panarin. This is a total overreaction to one series, and while he's been shit tonight his play in the series overall hasn't been as bad as some on here think imo.
Has been atrocious in this series. In the playoffs, you need to be able to play a 200’ game. He can’t do that. He is always looking to leak out for an offensive chance. His defensive zone coverage is non-existent. How many giveaways? Terrific offensive player but there is a reason he hasn’t performed against the better teams.
I still don't think he's healthy
On this we agree. Fox, too. I think it will be a 2015 type thing (where half the team was playing really hurt but we didnt know until after the ECF G7 loss to Tampa) for Panarin and Fox. They both look not even close to themselves out there
on this thread are absolutely asinine. He hasn't had a good series but these takes are the definition of overreaction. He's one of the 10 best players in the sport no matter which way you look at it, he has a full NMC clause, and the Rangers arent going to trade him regardless. Teams would be lining up to do so if Panarin was willing to waive it and the Rangers were willing to trade him.
Motte, Copp, Vattrano over Panarin? GTFOH
I would absolutely consider trading Panarin if it meant keeping the other 3. You are nuts if you can tolerate this type of performance when ge is still due 10 mill/year.
I love Panarin....but he has been terrible this series and you are taking 2 high performing players (Motte hasnt done much) and 3 diff upgrades on 3 diff lines (1 plays on both specials and can take faceoffs) for a player that has played worse than Rick Nash in the playoffs (Nash at least played a two way game).
Panarin has zero going for him in this postseason. I would take the 3 trade deadline aquisitions
Don't include everyone in with the Eddie Mush Brigade
I love (almost) all of you here, but having to read about trading Panarin down 1 in game 7 is killing me.
I get its extreme, but after watching the way he has played this series, would you not rather have Vatrano, Copp and Motte signed going forward instead of Strome and paying 10 mill a year to Panarin after watching how they have all played in the playoffs?
I thought it is worth a consideration. Sorry if that sounds nuts but Panarin is a monster contract showing up like Minnie Mouse when dollars count with this team.
Frank with all due respect it's not just extreme it's extremely dumb. On no planet would I rather have Vatrano, Copp and Motte instead of Panarin. This is a total overreaction to one series, and while he's been shit tonight his play in the series overall hasn't been as bad as some on here think imo.
Maybe, Im looking at the cap too. If I pay 10 mill a year to a player and have to fill other holes at the end of the season, given how the 3 have performed, Itake the 3 over the one that hasnt
underdogs against Carolina but no matter what happens more playoff experience for this group even if they can't get by Carolina is great for them going forward. But who knows where this year could lead, going to enjoy the hell out of this win regardless.
RE: How much do you guys think that increases Panarin's
How could anyone have been talking about trading Panarin? He had such a bad series. He played so tentative. But, even if he never scores that winner, you don't trade him.
What a game, what a series! Breadman delivers…and Mika the unsung hero on the game winning power play going 3 for 3 on face offs in the zone
That’s how we get it done boys!
I thought the same thing about those face offs. As much as I killed him earlier in the series about it, he really came up big there and in every way the past two games.
Ken Morrow scored from a similar place on the ice for the Islanders in Game 5 OT (when 1st rounds were 5 games) through a maze of players in front - Hanlon never saw it. Took 38 years to even that up. Panarin through three players - Jarry never saw it
What a game, what a series! Breadman delivers…and Mika the unsung hero on the game winning power play going 3 for 3 on face offs in the zone
That’s how we get it done boys!
I thought the same thing about those face offs. As much as I killed him earlier in the series about it, he really came up big there and in every way the past two games.
Just winner and leader shit.
My son and I were just saying the same. The first half of the series, they were getting killed on faceoffs. Mika was excellent tonight on the faceoffs.
Better get ready for Carolina. Rangers were dominated in 4 games this year vs Carolina and were lucky to win one.
Sullivan deployed pinching defenseman this series and the Rangers had fits with it and Carolina suffocated the Rangers in the neutral zone in each game this year.
Definitely looking at going to game 1 or game 2 in Raleigh.
8 year old me hated Glen Hanlon forever for that goal
But all the hate towards Miller and Panarin in this thread. Geez. Miller made a huge play to get the PP. the kid has tremendous talent. And Panarin has had a very bad series. But trading him for depth pieces is really silly. And he has NMC in his contract
Well, I know the stance I took that has built over all 7 games,
but I would be happy to be wrong if Panarin has awakened from his slumber and this catapults him against the Canes.
Eddie Olczksmkskamk is really such an idiot, saying the Canes have a rest advantage because the Rangers played 7 (my god they played game 7 YESTERDAY) and then immediately talks about the Penguins future as opposed to the Rangers putting it together tonight and Panarin winning after playing like shit.
What a game, what a series! Breadman delivers…and Mika the unsung hero on the game winning power play going 3 for 3 on face offs in the zone
That’s how we get it done boys!
I thought the same thing about those face offs. As much as I killed him earlier in the series about it, he really came up big there and in every way the past two games.
Just winner and leader shit.
My son and I were just saying the same. The first half of the series, they were getting killed on faceoffs. Mika was excellent tonight on the faceoffs.
Mika was nowhere to be found early in the series, but man did he come on strong. And I was one of many wondering what was wrong with Shesterkin after games 3 and 4, but he played his ass off tonight.
Kinda one of those burn the tape series…lot of ugly stretches, and this team still has its flaws, but great seeing our big guns come through when it counted most
Taking out a ball buster of a Penguins team, with Crosby bringing his A game most of the series, is a big step for this squad
Even without Crosby, I thought the Penguins would win
They still have a long, long way to go, but maybe this year will be different. Maybe the Rangers will win the Stanley Cup and do it with home grown talent - unlike '94.
I don't know if it was a goal or not but holy shit that Guentzel goal was pretty awesome. I have never seen a player kick the puck in the air to their stick before and that kind of looked intentional.
Igor was the difference. And I don't think Jarry played bad - starting him was the right move, but this is the Igor most of you watched all year.
someone (mfsd?) mentioned the key to me, Mika on the dots on the PP in OT. 3 for 3. Losing a faceoff changes everything on the PP - it forces you to retrieve the puck, takes time off the clock, and you need to make a controlled zone entry - which is why when someone said analytics people don't care about faceoffs i said they're crazy.
and get off Trouba anakim - he is the best D on the team, not by a little, by a lot and you're not here without him.
he made two bad plays this series - one the pass picked off by Rodrigues (?) last game for the shorty and a high stick, not saying he was perfect otherwise, but he covers up more than you realize and his hit on Crosby game 5 is probably why the Rangers are moving on.
lastly, I may be alone here but I think the Rangers beat the canes. The best thing about the Canes is they are deep but I don't think hugely talented, they have a few players who can score (Svechnikov, Aho, Necas, Teravainen) but in net I don't love Raanta or Kotchetkov.
In net I give the Rangers the strong advantage and that's where it starts in the playoffs.
then I like the Rangers top 9 over the Hurricanes top 9. 4th line though I think the Canes have a distinct advantage. D depth favors the Canes, but Trouba would be a top pair D for them too.
But of all the players with big contracts to consider trading, in terms of return and cap relief, Panarin is highest on my list....provided this isn't him shaking off the cobb webs and on the verge of erupting going forward. Again, I love the player and maybe I was too declarative, but in terms of what we could get back, salary relief and interested parties....I would listen.
That said, I hope Bread buries 5 in the next series and is Ranger for life because he got us on the precipice of the Finals.
Panarin, I doubt anyone is taking that contract ($11.6M per year the next 4 seasons) given that the cap has remained pretty flat.
That is the 2nd highest cap hit in the league, after only McDavid.
Plus, Panarin has a NMC and when he was a free agent he was allegedly only or primarily interested in NY or FL (?)
Oh Im not saying they should actively be shopping him for sure. I also didnt realize his NMC was that strict. Just saying if someone asked about him, I would be more receptive than a guy like Trouba or even Kreider.
Im moving on, because I dont think people were ready to even consider the idea despite our finances being tight and us having three very productive players in these playoffs who play on the top 2 lines who are not signed next year.
CAR should be favored but the resignation negativity of the NYR fan base is a bit annoying.
I watched most of the Eastern games in round one and there are no unconquerable teams.
Thing is, as much as I have that the Rangers have not played their best hockey this past series, I am hopeful that the keep unwrapping other levels of their game to stun opponents.
Two things....they really need to stop coughing up the puck in the offensive zone by the blue lime and they absolutely need to figure out a more efficient way of clearing their own zone. Both were killers against the Pens and the Canes will make us pay even more.
I didnt even men into the dumb penaltie that they took.
With every game, is another chance to learn how to play in the playoffs. Canes are my pick to win the Cup. But the Rangers can beat anybody if they can just be more crisp with the puck.
Pens & ESPN gotta lot of nerve whining about some helmet rule
after they got damn near every fucking call and review going their way.
Fucking bitch asses. Fuck them and their loser fans. Go home.
It's ridiculous. If Toronto doesn't take away the goal in game 1 or sees an obvious high stick tonight, nobody is talking about a helmet. By my count, 5 calls went to Toronto this series and all went in favor of the Pens. The only legitimate call was the goal tonight that clearly crossed the line
1. who cares about the regular season. they had 3 more wins over an 82-game season.
2. Rangers have the better goalie (even if Andersen comes back) by a lot
3. Rangers have the better top 9 and elite talent. CAR is deeper, I give you that, but the Rangers 3rd line only played around 11 min tonight, in a game 7, so 4th line, where IMO CAR has a distinct advantage, will play figure 5-6 minutes.
4. CAR D are overrated, I think they get exposed this series. BOS is very top heavy so didn't test their D depth.
Sure we're familiar with Fast, Stepan, Smith, DeAngelo, Skjei and Raanta, but they're also familiar with us. Speaking of Raanta, it'll be interesting to see what Rod the Bod does now that Freddy Andersen is healthy. Raanta has had an excellent playoffs, but Andersen was one of the top goalies during the regular season.
One thing that we will have in this series that we didn't really have in Pittsburgh: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of fans.
RE: Pens & ESPN gotta lot of nerve whining about some helmet rule
after they got damn near every fucking call and review going their way.
Fucking bitch asses. Fuck them and their loser fans. Go home.
The worst part, is they are blaming the rule which they obviously werent responsible enough to know that dipshit could have picked up his helmet and played with it UNSTRAPPED.
Im not even going to bother with the accusations by Sullivan and that neanderthal, frat boy meathead Bissonette (still licking his wounds after his Leafs were eliminated....again) claiming that the helmet was pulled off INTENTIONALLY. Laf was being driven to the back of the net, reached out and grabbed the player pushing him and in the fall to the ice, the helmet came off and Petterson skated away.
How about know the rules you turds? I guess the coverage is going to completely ignore that the puck was contacted above the cross bar on Guentzel's goal and revel in the hackt sack instead of the bad call that it was.
Ugh....fuck Pittsburgh and that dirt bag fan base. Philly fans hate the Pens more than the Rangers and that says something.
Since it was called goal by refs that would be tough to overturn
However that was an incredible play by Guentzel. Never saw that before. He had a great series. I had no idea he was that good. And he plays a tough gritty game. Very impressive
Since it was called goal by refs that would be tough to overturn
However that was an incredible play by Guentzel. Never saw that before. He had a great series. I had no idea he was that good. And he plays a tough gritty game. Very impressive
The overturn in game one was much much more subjective than the Guentzel goal in my opinion, and they took about 30 seconds to definitively overturn that one. Id feel differently if game one didnt happen. There were a couple angles that showed the puck distinctly above the bar when Guentzel hit it.
I am just tankful we didnt lose because of those 2 calls.
1. who cares about the regular season. they had 3 more wins over an 82-game season.
2. Rangers have the better goalie (even if Andersen comes back) by a lot
3. Rangers have the better top 9 and elite talent. CAR is deeper, I give you that, but the Rangers 3rd line only played around 11 min tonight, in a game 7, so 4th line, where IMO CAR has a distinct advantage, will play figure 5-6 minutes.
4. CAR D are overrated, I think they get exposed this series. BOS is very top heavy so didn't test their D depth.
If you believe in Corsi and fenwick and math in general Carolina is significantly better. They’re also more playoff tested.
They’ve also got 5 ex-rangers and we’ve had to endure hell with all the ex guys hoisting cups or ending our season (even brassard) in recent years
Igor will need to be the Oettinger if this round for the rangers to advance.
their play in terms of clearing out of their own end (I honestly think they need to try and go through the middle more frequently because Pitt was all over us when we tried to go the safe route along the boards), not make such horrendous turnovers at the offensive and get SOMETHI G from Panarin and Strome, that we can beat the Canes. Its asking a lot of the youngsters to maintain this intensity for an even tougher 2nd round opponent, but if they can just keep building and our scoring wakes up, I think we have the speed and physicality to beat the Canes.
Again, this Canes team is my pick to win the Cup, but their aggressive style can turn into a weakness and we certainly have some guns to take advantage.
a third string goalie and to a game 7 overtime with a goalie who's been out for a while. It was a hard fought series. Igor is back on his game. The Rangers should be ready to play a tough rival in Carolina and win at least one of the first two in their arena.
That the Rangers are 4-0 in series where they trail 3-1?
Talk about no quit in NY…
No. They lost in 5 in 79, 80, 86, 90, 96, 08, 11
Jake Kline
@JakeAKline
Here’s a fascinating stat: the #Rangers are now 4-0 in Game 7s in series where they have been down three games to one. That’s pure grit. #StanleyCupPlayoffs #NYR
That the Rangers are 4-0 in series where they trail 3-1?
Talk about no quit in NY…
No. They lost in 5 in 79, 80, 86, 90, 96, 08, 11
Jake Kline
@JakeAKline
Here’s a fascinating stat: the #Rangers are now 4-0 in Game 7s in series where they have been down three games to one. That’s pure grit. #StanleyCupPlayoffs #NYR
4-0 in Game 7... meaning when they make it to a Game 7 after being down 3-1..
The other 5 times they were down 3-1 they probably lost 4-1 or 4-2 and never pushed a Game 7
That the Rangers are 4-0 in series where they trail 3-1?
Talk about no quit in NY…
No. They lost in 5 in 79, 80, 86, 90, 96, 08, 11
Jake Kline
@JakeAKline
Here’s a fascinating stat: the #Rangers are now 4-0 in Game 7s in series where they have been down three games to one. That’s pure grit. #StanleyCupPlayoffs #NYR
4-0 in Game 7... meaning when they make it to a Game 7 after being down 3-1..
The other 5 times they were down 3-1 they probably lost 4-1 or 4-2 and never pushed a Game 7
Oh okay, gotcha. Yeah, I misread that. My mistake. You were right, Snab.
The Penguins from Sullivan on down were graceless whiners, bitching about the refs as if they didn't get plenty of breaks in that department. Typical Penguin bullshit.
RE: Man those post-game interviews were just pathetic
The Penguins from Sullivan on down were graceless whiners, bitching about the refs as if they didn't get plenty of breaks in that department. Typical Penguin bullshit.
The best part is they just didnt know the rule as it was written. Petterson, instead of retrieving his helmet and rejoining the play, bitched about Laf and then skated to the bench instead of grabbing his helmet.
Its not the rule Sullivan...you banged up Ben Stiller look a like, its that your team didnt know how to react.
no one knew that rule. I'd bet decent money Koho didn't even know it until Jennifer Botterrill brought it up.
Every broadcast I have seen since 2019 (probably thousands) when the rule came into effect as soon as someone's helmet came off every broadcaster said "now he's got to leave the ice"
anyone claiming they knew this rule before last night is more likely than not, lying.
That was impressive. Typically only watch NHL and NBA
because my son and I were jumping up and down and screaming for about 2 straight minutes after the goal. What a crazy game and series. Credit to Pittsburgh, I thought this was going to be a quick series for the Rangers. The only game you can argue the Rangers actually outplayed them was game 3, which they lost. I'm holding out hope that they will find their game this series, and while Carolina is better than Pittsburgh, in some ways this might be a better matchup. We know that for 60 full minutes, DeAngelo, Skjei, or Smith will be on the ice, and those guys can be had. That said, their forward group, while not having a legitimate superstar (Aho is close, Svechnikov is getting there), I think the Rangers D will match up better than they did with the elite talents in Crosby, Malkin, and Guentzel (holy shit I didn't realize how good that guy is).
This team hasn't made sense all year, and I hope this playoff run they're on slaps the analytics community in the face. I do enjoy looking into analytics myself, but hockey, like any sport, is about making plays, and the intangibles. Rangers are clearly capable of making the big play when they need to, and they are never out of a game or series.
RE: Pens & ESPN gotta lot of nerve whining about some helmet rule
after they got damn near every fucking call and review going their way.
Fucking bitch asses. Fuck them and their loser fans. Go home.
They had three chances to end the series. Stop complaining!!
Yeah I'm trying not to listen to anything any Pens fans have to say right now. They turn the blind eye to it when Crosby and Malkin are cross checking, cheap shotting, elbowing, slew footing, etc. but the second one of their guys gets hurt or called for a penalty, it's a travesty. The bottom line is, they were up 2-0 in back to back elimination games, and had a late third period lead in the one after that, and couldn't get the job done.
BB56 called it! great to advance. I hope it's a turning point
for Panarin because he was invisible again in regulation. Soft, unwilling to go in front, and frustratingly unwilling to shoot for during regulation.
I though Chytil had a strong game, though that was a truly bone headed giveaway for the 3rd PIT goal. As a team, I thought they were strangely unwilling to get the puck deep and work it.
Igor was fantastic. Stood up when when they needed him most.
I still don't know if the Guentzel play was a goal (they never showed a 3D view that showed ice level where Guentzel's stick was relative to the bar. All the views I have seen don't have the right ice level perspective. They are all from above which makes seeing stick level relative to the crossbar a guess in which case you don't overturn the on-ice call.
otherwise, I thought the refs did a fine job and called things pretty evenly.
I do think the Miller play is usually a penalty shot, the gauge is if you don't get a shot off due to the actions of the defender and you were in the clear it's a PS, if you do get the shot off it's usually a penalty. That said, while I think Miller is good at the shootout, as a former forward, but given the choice of penalty shot by Miller or power play with all the momentum they had, I'm not sure the Rangers wouldn't take the power play and the outcome was as good as the PS.
when I see comments like "we NeEd to BEaT the PenS aNd ToRonTo" you sound like the whiny fans you are accusing the Penguins of being. Did reviews go against the Rangers? Yes, but in my unbiased opinion they were the right calls.
In closing why would the NHL, Toronto, or anyone want the Penguins (and Crosby) to advance instead of a NY team with 10 times the amount of fans in a massive market?
The league WANTS the Rangers to advance and if there were conspiracy theorists among us the Rangers have been "helped" by the league with the 2 out of the last 3 draft lotteries more than the Penguins have since Crosby was picked.
Agree with everything except I don’t know how you overturn the goal in the first game and not overturn the goal last night. Either it’s indisputable or it’s not. Clearly Kappo was ridden in to the goalie despite his best efforts to avoid him. It was called a good goal on the ice. Feels like there was a different standard at play.
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Agree with everything except I don’t know how you overturn the goal in the first game and not overturn the goal last night. Either it’s indisputable or it’s not. Clearly Kappo was ridden in to the goalie despite his best efforts to avoid him. It was called a good goal on the ice. Feels like there was a different standard at play.
When I saw that Kakko play happen real time, my initial reaction was "that will be overturned" I thought it was 50/50 at best on review but in my view based on the current rules I thought it was correct.
These are all close plays, I think the league got them right, but to be clear if they went the other way I wouldn't start a protest in the streets of Toronto - they were that close - but I think they got them right or there wasn't a good enough view to overturn it.
Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
of how the Rangers played. But, two things--First and foremost, today is one of the days where you just put that all to the side and enjoy it. Second, you just have to love the fight in the team to never say die.
Seemed to turn the corner from Game 6 through last night.
Especially Zibanejad, he looked much more assertive from when he finally saw the puck go in for his first goal in game 6.
Hopefully the OT goal gives Panarin less hesitation about shooting and just rip the puck and throw it on net, you never know what could come of it.
That being said, they can't go into a shell against Carolina, they need to take these two days to really evaluate the regular season matchups and make the necessary adjustments. Also take a look at what the Bruins were effective in doing that worked in the games they won. The Rangers struggled to get out of their own end and get through the neutral zone vs the Hurricanes all year. The way the Hurricanes pressure is unlike any other team in the league. Rangers are going to have to continue to get pucks deep, Motte being back has helped in a major way with the forecheck. Is there any indication on the status of Goodrow's injury if he could come back this series?
Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
from the Athletic comes across as a real homer/crybaby. Sounds like he wants to work for the team. A few quotes:
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Lafrenière ripped Pettersson’s helmet off his head.
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Still, in my 13 years of covering the Penguins, I can very comfortably say that I’ve never seen a series in which a team deserved to win more than the Penguins without actually, you know, winning.
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Let’s be honest: If Jacob Trouba doesn’t hit Crosby in the head in Game 5, the series is over. The Rangers were dead in the water.
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What a painfully stupid, hypocritical rule. Let’s think about this. In the first round alone, we’ve witnessed numerous head shots around the league that have gone unpunished by the humorously named NHL Safety Department. The league has made it abundantly clear that it doesn’t care about head shots.
We saw this firsthand when Crosby, the greatest hockey player of the past two decades, was hit in the head in Game 5 by a player who was using his elbow as a weapon from that game’s first shift.
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The Rangers have some serious upscale talent at the forward position. Shesterkin finally played a good game. But I’m not terribly impressed by them, and I suspect the Hurricanes will squash them in the second round. I’ve never seen a team get luckier throughout the course of a series.
no one knew that rule. I'd bet decent money Koho didn't even know it until Jennifer Botterrill brought it up.
Every broadcast I have seen since 2019 (probably thousands) when the rule came into effect as soon as someone's helmet came off every broadcaster said "now he's got to leave the ice"
anyone claiming they knew this rule before last night is more likely than not, lying.
I did not know the rule. But the Penguins should have:
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NHL Rule 9.6, first instituted in the 2019-20 season, begins with this:
"A player on the ice whose helmet comes off during play shall be assessed a minor penalty if he does not exit the playing surface."
The rule continues with the following.
" ... or retrieve and replace his helmet properly on his head (with or without his chin strap fastened), within a reasonable period of time. It is reasonable if a player who is making a play on the puck or who is in the vicinity of the puck and engaged in the play at the time his helmet comes off, takes the opportunity to complete the play before either exiting the ice or retrieving and replacing his helmet."
With that in mind, John Marino didn't have to make a beeline for the Penguins' bench when his helmet was knocked off in Thursday's Game 3 win over the Islanders.
He skated off with the helmet in his hand, either unaware that he could put it back on his head and stay involved in the play, or not believing he had enough time and space to do so on the ice.
What followed was Cal Clutterbuck's goal to bring the Islanders within one while the Penguins were essentially shorthanded, a goal that had the potential to really be a difference-maker in the game.
Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
I still don't know if the Guentzel play was a goal (they never showed a 3D view that showed ice level where Guentzel's stick was relative to the bar. All the views I have seen don't have the right ice level perspective. They are all from above which makes seeing stick level relative to the crossbar a guess in which case you don't overturn the on-ice call.
otherwise, I thought the refs did a fine job and called things pretty evenly.
I do think the Miller play is usually a penalty shot, the gauge is if you don't get a shot off due to the actions of the defender and you were in the clear it's a PS, if you do get the shot off it's usually a penalty. That said, while I think Miller is good at the shootout, as a former forward, but given the choice of penalty shot by Miller or power play with all the momentum they had, I'm not sure the Rangers wouldn't take the power play and the outcome was as good as the PS.
when I see comments like "we NeEd to BEaT the PenS aNd ToRonTo" you sound like the whiny fans you are accusing the Penguins of being. Did reviews go against the Rangers? Yes, but in my unbiased opinion they were the right calls.
In closing why would the NHL, Toronto, or anyone want the Penguins (and Crosby) to advance instead of a NY team with 10 times the amount of fans in a massive market?
The league WANTS the Rangers to advance and if there were conspiracy theorists among us the Rangers have been "helped" by the league with the 2 out of the last 3 draft lotteries more than the Penguins have since Crosby was picked.
I actually didn't think the Guentzel goal was close but I otherwise agree.
1. who cares about the regular season. they had 3 more wins over an 82-game season.
2. Rangers have the better goalie (even if Andersen comes back) by a lot
3. Rangers have the better top 9 and elite talent. CAR is deeper, I give you that, but the Rangers 3rd line only played around 11 min tonight, in a game 7, so 4th line, where IMO CAR has a distinct advantage, will play figure 5-6 minutes.
4. CAR D are overrated, I think they get exposed this series. BOS is very top heavy so didn't test their D depth.
I'm fine dismissing the regular season if the team punched above their weight in round one. I thought they had a sloppy round, were outplayed for much of the series, and got lucky that Domingue sucks. They aren't like the Bruins who play better than their record every year.
from the Athletic comes across as a real homer/crybaby. Sounds like he wants to work for the team. A few quotes:
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Lafrenière ripped Pettersson’s helmet off his head.
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Still, in my 13 years of covering the Penguins, I can very comfortably say that I’ve never seen a series in which a team deserved to win more than the Penguins without actually, you know, winning.
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Let’s be honest: If Jacob Trouba doesn’t hit Crosby in the head in Game 5, the series is over. The Rangers were dead in the water.
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What a painfully stupid, hypocritical rule. Let’s think about this. In the first round alone, we’ve witnessed numerous head shots around the league that have gone unpunished by the humorously named NHL Safety Department. The league has made it abundantly clear that it doesn’t care about head shots.
We saw this firsthand when Crosby, the greatest hockey player of the past two decades, was hit in the head in Game 5 by a player who was using his elbow as a weapon from that game’s first shift.
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The Rangers have some serious upscale talent at the forward position. Shesterkin finally played a good game. But I’m not terribly impressed by them, and I suspect the Hurricanes will squash them in the second round. I’ve never seen a team get luckier throughout the course of a series.
Never seen more whining from the top on down in a professional sports organization from the major four.
Sullivan barks and cries at every penalty call, their announcers and beats are pathetic and their fans, forget it.
Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
It's that they trailed and came back in every one of the wins. I might have worded it semi-confusingly, and if so, my bad.
I watched a Canadiens game where a players helmet came off and he played the puck and received a penalty. I tried looking it up but can't find it. I know it happened though - not sure what the penalty is called (unsportsmanlike? delay of game?)
Based on the rule and what Koho said last might in between 3rd period and OT the player can even play the puck without his helmet if he is engaged in the play. I don't think many people understand this rule - from refs to players, to coaches.
but yes, they should and lol that this happened before to the Pens.
Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
It is that no team who had ever come back from 3-1 and trailed in all three games needed to make the comeback. The Rangers trailed in Games 5,6,7.
I still don't know if the Guentzel play was a goal (they never showed a 3D view that showed ice level where Guentzel's stick was relative to the bar. All the views I have seen don't have the right ice level perspective. They are all from above which makes seeing stick level relative to the crossbar a guess in which case you don't overturn the on-ice call.
otherwise, I thought the refs did a fine job and called things pretty evenly.
I do think the Miller play is usually a penalty shot, the gauge is if you don't get a shot off due to the actions of the defender and you were in the clear it's a PS, if you do get the shot off it's usually a penalty. That said, while I think Miller is good at the shootout, as a former forward, but given the choice of penalty shot by Miller or power play with all the momentum they had, I'm not sure the Rangers wouldn't take the power play and the outcome was as good as the PS.
when I see comments like "we NeEd to BEaT the PenS aNd ToRonTo" you sound like the whiny fans you are accusing the Penguins of being. Did reviews go against the Rangers? Yes, but in my unbiased opinion they were the right calls.
In closing why would the NHL, Toronto, or anyone want the Penguins (and Crosby) to advance instead of a NY team with 10 times the amount of fans in a massive market?
The league WANTS the Rangers to advance and if there were conspiracy theorists among us the Rangers have been "helped" by the league with the 2 out of the last 3 draft lotteries more than the Penguins have since Crosby was picked.
I actually didn't think the Guentzel goal was close but I otherwise agree.
Igor's glove hand was above the bar and Guentzel hit his glove/wrist when he hit the puck. That's why I thought it should have been no goal.
been lurking, but loved watching with you guys during this.
Worried about Carolina and always irritated when we play teams that have a ton of ex rangers on them. Particularly when we let DeAngelo go for nothing, and traded Ranta and Stepan for DeAngelo himself and fucking Lias Anderrsen. Like damn, if only we got *something* out of that trade.
Hoping that Panarin finds himself a bit here and Mika continues to get hot. Let the kids grow and pray for Igor to get back to his Hart finalist ways... we can beat anyone if the break go our way.
I don't think the Guentzel goal was a good goal. If you show the video evidence from that one to 100 objective fans with no pretext of the call on the ice, I think 75% or more will tell you that it's no goal.
Given the coin flip went the other way in game 1, felt like it would have been equitable to get that one.
But I understand that isn't how these things are meted out.
What I have little tolerance for is a fucking 4 minute segment on ESPN about fucking helmet-gate costing the Pens bigtime, with no acknowledgement whatsoever that they got a pretty huge benefit of the doubt on the Guentzel thing.
That and Pens fans running around on twitter saying the rangers were head-hunting all series. One high hit from Lindgren on Rakell in G1. Anyone who can't see that the Trouba/Crosby play was just an awkward hockey collision is kidding themselves.
Edge: Closer than people think. I don't see much separation. Trouba is better defensively than any CAR D, and Fox is better offensively than any CAR D. No D on this list is as bad as Smith.
Overall, not sure why fans give CAR so much credit. Over an 82 game season, the canes had a whopping 3 more ROW.
I think this will be a good series, but the Rangers have the talent advantage in net, and the elite talent advantage, CAR has more depth, but with the NYR 4th line who will probably play 2 30 second shift a period.
Prediction: NYR in 6, maybe 5 if Igor is completely back to peak Igor.
Edge: Closer than people think. I don't see much separation. Trouba is better defensively than any CAR D, and Fox is better offensively than any CAR D. No D on this list is as bad as Smith.
Overall, not sure why fans give CAR so much credit. Over an 82 game season, the canes had a whopping 3 more ROW.
I think this will be a good series, but the Rangers have the talent advantage in net, and the elite talent advantage, CAR has more depth, but with the NYR 4th line who will probably play 2 30 second shift a period.
Prediction: NYR in 6, maybe 5 if Igor is completely back to peak Igor.
I appreciate your optimism, but the Rangers are really going to have to up their game in this series.
If you take away overall record, ROW, etc, when these two teams matched up...the Rangers were vastly outplayed for a majority of the four games, with Georgiev stealing the second game. It's about the matchup. Maybe outside of Colorado, the Hurricanes speed is the upper echelon of the league. They cover the ice, they move the puck quickly when they have it. The Rangers had no answer for getting out of their zone and through the neutral zone.
NYR (MET2) vs PIT (MET3): NYR in 6. PIT is top heavy, but that top is aging. It would be a sweep but Crosby/Malkin can steal a game or two. Maybe the last time Crosby, Malkin and Letang play together (Malkin and Letang are UFAs)
Sure we're familiar with Fast, Stepan, Smith, DeAngelo, Skjei and Raanta, but they're also familiar with us. Speaking of Raanta, it'll be interesting to see what Rod the Bod does now that Freddy Andersen is healthy. Raanta has had an excellent playoffs, but Andersen was one of the top goalies during the regular season.
One thing that we will have in this series that we didn't really have in Pittsburgh: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of our fans.
Rangers fans always show up in droves in Carolina, so it should be fun.
Any word on Goodrow? It would be huge if we could replace Reaves with Goodrow on the fourth line.
Sure we're familiar with Fast, Stepan, Smith, DeAngelo, Skjei and Raanta, but they're also familiar with us. Speaking of Raanta, it'll be interesting to see what Rod the Bod does now that Freddy Andersen is healthy. Raanta has had an excellent playoffs, but Andersen was one of the top goalies during the regular season.
One thing that we will have in this series that we didn't really have in Pittsburgh: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of our fans.
Rangers fans always show up in droves in Carolina, so it should be fun.
Any word on Goodrow? It would be huge if we could replace Reaves with Goodrow on the fourth line.
I'm very close to buying tickets to Game 1. Trying to get a few things ironed on. They are around $100-$150 to sit upstairs right now.
no one knew that rule. I'd bet decent money Koho didn't even know it until Jennifer Botterrill brought it up.
Every broadcast I have seen since 2019 (probably thousands) when the rule came into effect as soon as someone's helmet came off every broadcaster said "now he's got to leave the ice"
anyone claiming they knew this rule before last night is more likely than not, lying.
Definitely a tough rule, but in the playoffs. If your head coach doesn’t know the minutia of the rule book - that HAS to fall on the coaching staff.
More so, and I can’t remember the details of it, but I’m 99% sure a year or two ago Sullivan misunderstood the exact same rule. Also in a playoff game, if I am remembering this right.
I knew I wasn’t crazy, the helmet thing DID happen to them last year. Found an article which I’ll link.
But even better, check out this quote lol. Nit only did he KNOW the rule, he got clarity on it from the NHL. One year ago.
“We’re actually asking for a little bit more clarity in that circumstance because it’s our understanding that John can stay in the battle there,” Penguins head coach Mike Sullivan said on Friday. “Obviously, we get outnumbered because of it. So we’re actually asking for clarity on that from the league because it’s my understanding that he can stay in that battle and look for the opportune time to get to the bench.” Sullivan knew - ( New Window )
I knew I wasn’t crazy, the helmet thing DID happen to them last year. Found an article which I’ll link.
But even better, check out this quote lol. Nit only did he KNOW the rule, he got clarity on it from the NHL. One year ago.
“We’re actually asking for a little bit more clarity in that circumstance because it’s our understanding that John can stay in the battle there,” Penguins head coach Mike Sullivan said on Friday. “Obviously, we get outnumbered because of it. So we’re actually asking for clarity on that from the league because it’s my understanding that he can stay in that battle and look for the opportune time to get to the bench.” Sullivan knew - ( New Window )
Game 3 against the Islanders last year. 3:55 of this video.
Just pathetic from Sullivan. Pampered franchise, no surprise they can't handle a loss without complaining about something that didn't go their way. And he's lying about it, obviously Link - ( New Window )
but it really is gross when the coaches and players are wet blankets about this stuff afterward.
Handshakes and then stand in the pocket and take the hits in the presser. Don't be a baby.
It's a bad look. I'd like to rewatch the play again, but as I recall Letang had time to get in position coming in to replace the helmet-less defenseman. And Marino had the puck and turned it over. Lame.
Sure we're familiar with Fast, Stepan, Smith, DeAngelo, Skjei and Raanta, but they're also familiar with us. Speaking of Raanta, it'll be interesting to see what Rod the Bod does now that Freddy Andersen is healthy. Raanta has had an excellent playoffs, but Andersen was one of the top goalies during the regular season.
One thing that we will have in this series that we didn't really have in Pittsburgh: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of our fans.
Rangers fans always show up in droves in Carolina, so it should be fun.
Any word on Goodrow? It would be huge if we could replace Reaves with Goodrow on the fourth line.
I disagree with sitting Reaves. He's brings toughness, spirit and grit, and he doesn't take stupid penalties. He's doing his job.
but it really is gross when the coaches and players are wet blankets about this stuff afterward.
Handshakes and then stand in the pocket and take the hits in the presser. Don't be a baby.
It's a bad look. I'd like to rewatch the play again, but as I recall Letang had time to get in position coming in to replace the helmet-less defenseman. And Marino had the puck and turned it over. Lame.
I do think the helmet loss/line change absolutely contributed to the goal. By the time letang got on the ice it was hard for him to pick up where to go and who to cover - if you watch it you will notice letang go to the front of the net and cover no one and the outlet pass caught him by surprise leading to the turnover and Mika wide open, but that is on the Pens as we now know and not making sure their players know the rules.
Also that shot was a f-ing rocket from Mika. That part of the play gets lost and not talked about enough. He is such a streaky player. He is on fire right now.
Sure we're familiar with Fast, Stepan, Smith, DeAngelo, Skjei and Raanta, but they're also familiar with us. Speaking of Raanta, it'll be interesting to see what Rod the Bod does now that Freddy Andersen is healthy. Raanta has had an excellent playoffs, but Andersen was one of the top goalies during the regular season.
One thing that we will have in this series that we didn't really have in Pittsburgh: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of our fans.
Rangers fans always show up in droves in Carolina, so it should be fun.
Any word on Goodrow? It would be huge if we could replace Reaves with Goodrow on the fourth line.
That's because half of NY lives here and the other half in Florida.
Carolina is not a particularly physical team. What they are is a very fast team, and Reaves might be the slowest man in hockey. For that reason, I'd rather see Hunt or even Brodzinski.
My ideal fourth line would be Motte-Goodrow-Hunt, but I doubt we see Goodrow anytime soon if he has a fractured ankle as rumored.
It definitely caused some confusion. But the Rangers still had to execute the shot and pass. Mika ripped it.
Sullivan is definitely implying that Lafreniere pulled the helmet off purposefully to provide the advantage. That seems hard to believe. It's a tough break for them, sure. But I find the excuse-making from the coach and players pretty unbecoming.
Carolina is not a particularly physical team. What they are is a very fast team, and Reaves might be the slowest man in hockey. For that reason, I'd rather see Hunt or even Brodzinski.
My ideal fourth line would be Motte-Goodrow-Hunt, but I doubt we see Goodrow anytime soon if he has a fractured ankle as rumored.
They have to sit Reaves. At least to start the series. 100% agree
It definitely caused some confusion. But the Rangers still had to execute the shot and pass. Mika ripped it.
Sullivan is definitely implying that Lafreniere pulled the helmet off purposefully to provide the advantage. That seems hard to believe. It's a tough break for them, sure. But I find the excuse-making from the coach and players pretty unbecoming.
absolutely agree, I do think they could have called a penalty on Lafreniere but I'm glad they didn't that was really a two-way scrum that results in a lost helmet.
and Mika's snipe is the real story.
I wouldn't pay attention to PIT or their reaction, I'd just move on an enjoy the win.
After being invisible through the first five games, he's been on fire. Not only scoring, but he dominated in the faceoff circle too.
And Igor quietly played an outstanding game, keeping them alive when things looked grim. That was the closest he's played to his best in the playoffs. Hopefully he's over the jitters or whatever was going on that made him look ordinary. They need dominant Igor to have a chance.
Carolina is not a particularly physical team. What they are is a very fast team, and Reaves might be the slowest man in hockey. For that reason, I'd rather see Hunt or even Brodzinski.
My ideal fourth line would be Motte-Goodrow-Hunt, but I doubt we see Goodrow anytime soon if he has a fractured ankle as rumored.
Brodzinski you can make a case for. Hunt was terrible against PITT and you never saw him again. I’d be shocked if they went away from Reavo though. Apparently, all coaches have guys they love despite all rationality. Reavo will hit people, but he definitely is glacier slow and that’s more of an issue against a deep CAR team.
This series is playing with house money for me. I hope the effort and performance is competitive, but if they lose to a better team, then so be it.
After being invisible through the first five games, he's been on fire. Not only scoring, but he dominated in the faceoff circle too.
And Igor quietly played an outstanding game, keeping them alive when things looked grim. That was the closest he's played to his best in the playoffs. Hopefully he's over the jitters or whatever was going on that made him look ordinary. They need dominant Igor to have a chance.
Zibanejad pulling out that performance in the faceoff dot was really impressive. We were getting absolutely dominated there. Over the course of a long season, I understand why faceoff success isn't considered that important. But in a short series, it makes a difference. Huge performance.
Another shoutout, K'Andre Miller. Just eating minutes back there. Only just starting to scratch the surface of his potential. It's a short list of defenseman with the length and reach to make that poke check and then the skating ability to accelerate and draw the penalty. Exciting player
Just my opinion but Gallant needs to throttle back a bit on Fox. He averaged 28 minutes a game for the series and by game 7 he really looked worn down and fatigued at times. I get that the third pair isn't particularly good but the minutes need to be spread around a bit more than they have been.
Braun played 8:28 and Schneider 6:25. Understandable in game 7 but definitely not sustainable. Torts used to do this for an entire series and the effects began to show. Never forget Stu Bickel playing two minutes in a triple OT game against the Caps.
Agreed, Greg. Might have to lose a few battles early on to win the war and keep guys fresh for another long series. Part of the reason also I'd like to see Reaves come out and give a more capable 4th line 10-12 minutes a night
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Crosby said it best. The helmet rule is the dumbest rule in hockey. The only way the Rangers could beat the Penguins was by playing scumbag hockey. Par for the course.
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The Rangers were handed that series. They will get worked by Carolina. #Fugazis
And from what I recall on the post game on TBS last night, that really wasn't his stance or at least I don't remember him being that outright ridiculous.
I guess he felt more emboldened on twitter than live TV.
How did that guy, out of all the possible options, get placed in the studio with McHugh, Botterill, Ace, and Tocchet?
And Gretzky! The guy is on the same fucking panel as Wayne Gretzky. What the hell is Biz's appeal? I'm still trying to figure it out. He seems like a wannabe Pat McAfee with way less intellect and appeal.
Not sure if anyone listens to the spittin chiclets podcast, I enjoy it and find Biz entertaining, but might not be for everyone. There were some friendly wagers on the series amongst the group. Just trolling
I knew I wasn’t crazy, the helmet thing DID happen to them last year. Found an article which I’ll link.
But even better, check out this quote lol. Nit only did he KNOW the rule, he got clarity on it from the NHL. One year ago.
“We’re actually asking for a little bit more clarity in that circumstance because it’s our understanding that John can stay in the battle there,” Penguins head coach Mike Sullivan said on Friday. “Obviously, we get outnumbered because of it. So we’re actually asking for clarity on that from the league because it’s my understanding that he can stay in that battle and look for the opportune time to get to the bench.” Sullivan knew - ( New Window )
How did that guy, out of all the possible options, get placed in the studio with McHugh, Botterill, Ace, and Tocchet?
And Gretzky! The guy is on the same fucking panel as Wayne Gretzky. What the hell is Biz's appeal? I'm still trying to figure it out. He seems like a wannabe Pat McAfee with way less intellect and appeal.
I don't even think Gretzky is great in that forum, I mean I love hearing his stories and would listen all day, but he doesn't have the best delivery and isn't a great story teller.
I like the ESPN studio WAY more
Subban was great
Chelios is great
Weekes is the best
Messier is awesome
Levy is the best.
How did that guy, out of all the possible options, get placed in the studio with McHugh, Botterill, Ace, and Tocchet?
And Gretzky! The guy is on the same fucking panel as Wayne Gretzky. What the hell is Biz's appeal? I'm still trying to figure it out. He seems like a wannabe Pat McAfee with way less intellect and appeal.
I don't even think Gretzky is great in that forum, I mean I love hearing his stories and would listen all day, but he doesn't have the best delivery and isn't a great story teller.
I like the ESPN studio WAY more
Subban was great
Chelios is great
Weekes is the best
Messier is awesome
Levy is the best.
You're not wrong, but it's still Wayne Gretzky. Think of the optics. Wayne Gretzky on the same hockey panel as Paul Bissonette?
I like the TNT studio show much better. Don't mind ESPN, but I don't think the legendary players they've brought in like Chelios and Mess have a ton of interesting things to say. But just a different perspective for me.
I think both game broadcasts are really good though. Strong announcers. Both miles better than NBC production. I do miss Doc though
How did that guy, out of all the possible options, get placed in the studio with McHugh, Botterill, Ace, and Tocchet?
And Gretzky! The guy is on the same fucking panel as Wayne Gretzky. What the hell is Biz's appeal? I'm still trying to figure it out. He seems like a wannabe Pat McAfee with way less intellect and appeal.
I don't even think Gretzky is great in that forum, I mean I love hearing his stories and would listen all day, but he doesn't have the best delivery and isn't a great story teller.
I like the ESPN studio WAY more
Subban was great
Chelios is great
Weekes is the best
Messier is awesome
Levy is the best.
You're not wrong, but it's still Wayne Gretzky. Think of the optics. Wayne Gretzky on the same hockey panel as Paul Bissonette?
I post on the same forum as you and pj - how do you think I feel about the optics?
I had zero memory of any player with that name. So he was a scrub who played for a few years? I agree with you all - how the hell did he get that job?
his fame is more from Spittin' chiclets podcast than from actually playing hockey, but to hear him talk you'd think he was a shade below Gretzky in accolades and accomplishments on the ice.
of what I think is the most listened to hockey podcast. I don't know, might just be me but I think he's pretty solid on TV. We've definitely seen in all sports, being the best player doesn't necessarily equate to being good on TV. And in this case, he's just trolling on twitter because he lost a wager with his podcast hosts when they won
No big deal though, different strokes
I don't do podcasts so I have no idea what that is
I thought I read/heard that he got offers from TNT/ESPN but chose to stay at MSG.
Maybe because he's a Rangers fan so it's kind of his dream job and his homerism is always on display IMO (and not in a bad way). He's not Jack Edwards level homer, but he's definitely always commenting and speaking with a NY Rangers bias.
Now we have a team that a tough team. We play scumbag hockey? How about Look at the penalities asshole. Someone should have take Crosby out with a massive hit yesterday. BTW I like being the bully finally.
Vally has been one of the best analysts around for a while now, and Hank is better than I expected.
Absolutely, Vally, that studio clip of him dragging himself forward on his knees after gwg was hilarious. Every game he comes up with good insight, player positioning, movement, defensive movement, etc.
Hank has improved, a lot, as the season has gone on into SCP, lends gravitas as to mood/tenor in the locker room. Earlier in the season, as a HOF keeper and an AHL keeper, they were kind of tip-toeing around each other, but they've gotten comfortable with each other and it's fun to watch.
and still refuse to acknowledge what a dynamic player he is on the ice
He and Slavin together are what makes the Hurricanes so tough. They constantly push the puck and are good skaters. Slavin is also a good defender (Tony D not so much).
Rangers are very lumbering compared to them. But it's hard not to get caught up playing their high octane style.
That said, playoffs usually favor the more physical team. Rangers really need to come out on the forecheck and also hammer these guys.
I thought I read/heard that he got offers from TNT/ESPN but chose to stay at MSG.
Maybe because he's a Rangers fan so it's kind of his dream job and his homerism is always on display IMO (and not in a bad way). He's not Jack Edwards level homer, but he's definitely always commenting and speaking with a NY Rangers bias.
He is definitely biased. He's better than Michelleti and Rosen in that regard, but still biased.
The Canes D is fast skating puck moving. What Fred Shero did to Bobby Orr in the playoffs was dump it into his corner and pound him the way Reaves does with checks. Shero did it again to Potvin in the 79 Islanders series win
Dump in and plaster their D into the boards, take their legs away
The Canes D is fast skating puck moving. What Fred Shero did to Bobby Orr in the playoffs was dump it into his corner and pound him the way Reaves does with checks. Shero did it again to Potvin in the 79 Islanders series win
Dump in and plaster their D into the boards, take their legs away
I agree. Biggest mistake would be try to match Hurricanes speed. That's playing their game and a guaranteed way to lose.
Rangers need to come out and go Hanson brothers on this team.
if Goodrow can go, if not, the upgrade isn't enough to sit Reaves IMO and if you need to you can activate Reaves in game 2 or beyond.
I do think for fans who haven't see a lot of the Canes beyond the three or four games in the regular season you will all hate Trocheck by the end of the series if you don't already. You might remember him from the Panthers. He's the Canes version of a Marchand/Gallagher IMO. Not as extreme as Marchand by any stretch, but just a hard nosed agitator with skill.
Svechnikov is IMO their best player. Better than Aho, and Svechnikov is not afraid to be physical, even to his own detriment. You might recall his ill-advised fight with Ovi in the playoffs. It did not end well for Svechnikov.
but mostly, even though many of you will call the Hurricanes players pieces of shit, dirty, scum bags - lol- they don't have many players like that.
are awesome, and indicative of how Igor performed all year.
I think it's important though to include for thoroughness he was chased from games 3 and 4. So he couldn't allow any goals in the 3rd period in those games, and couldn't have a lower save percentage since he was on the bench.
are awesome, and indicative of how Igor performed all year.
I think it's important though to include for thoroughness he was chased from games 3 and 4. So he couldn't allow any goals in the 3rd period in those games, and couldn't have a lower save percentage since he was on the bench.
not taking anything away from him, but...
Pipe down.
(I posted the game by game stats to show that and also knew everyone here knew that, lol)
I think a lot of it was just getting back to our game and doing a lot of the things we had been doing all year.
Mika came alive at the very last minute. If we hadn't made it out of Game 5, he would have taken a beating for his performance in the series. Instead, he woke up, scored some of the biggest goals of the entire slate and won some huge FO's.
It just felt like a light came on in Game 5. When we scored 3 goals in < 3 minutes or whatever it was, there was a palpable feeling that the tide might have finally turned.
Almost ran out of time.. but better late than never. This team has been doing this all year long.
They have a handful of very high skill guys who can struggle all game long and then strike quickly for multiple goals, and their power play can be deadly.
I think a lot of it was just getting back to our game and doing a lot of the things we had been doing all year.
Mika came alive at the very last minute. If we hadn't made it out of Game 5, he would have taken a beating for his performance in the series. Instead, he woke up, scored some of the biggest goals of the entire slate and won some huge FO's.
It just felt like a light came on in Game 5. When we scored 3 goals in < 3 minutes or whatever it was, there was a palpable feeling that the tide might have finally turned.
Almost ran out of time.. but better late than never. This team has been doing this all year long.
I felt that too, but still, they were flat to start game 6 and they go down two again. If Rodrigues doesn't take that bad penalty, I'm not sure we're here. But then Mika scores immediately on the PP, that gets him going and he takes over the rest of the game. That penalty is a turning point for me, because given how streaky Mika is, that confidence he got off that goal carried through the rest of the series. He was a different player
Plus, Igor played an incredible game 7. Kept us in it when we were on our heels at times. As he found his game and the star players came alive, we had a chance again
RE: What do you think caused the Rangers turnaround?
I think a lot of it was just getting back to our game and doing a lot of the things we had been doing all year.
Mika came alive at the very last minute. If we hadn't made it out of Game 5, he would have taken a beating for his performance in the series. Instead, he woke up, scored some of the biggest goals of the entire slate and won some huge FO's.
It just felt like a light came on in Game 5. When we scored 3 goals in < 3 minutes or whatever it was, there was a palpable feeling that the tide might have finally turned.
Almost ran out of time.. but better late than never. This team has been doing this all year long.
I felt that too, but still, they were flat to start game 6 and they go down two again. If Rodrigues doesn't take that bad penalty, I'm not sure we're here. But then Mika scores immediately on the PP, that gets him going and he takes over the rest of the game. That penalty is a turning point for me, because given how streaky Mika is, that confidence he got off that goal carried through the rest of the series. He was a different player
Plus, Igor played an incredible game 7. Kept us in it when we were on our heels at times. As he found his game and the star players came alive, we had a chance again
For sure. I think the reason why the flip in Game 5 was so big is because it reinforced that they could get back from that 2 goal hole... in game 6, it was almost like "okay, here we are again.. we just did this."
At the point when we were down 0-2 in Game 5, it felt like there was a fork in the road and we were either just going to roll over and get trounced or wake up and fight back. You could almost sense the team had a newfound sense of confidence after that and were not going to lose.
I honestly felt strangely at peace during the entire game last night. I knew we were going to find a way. I've never wached a Game 7 that relaxed before.. maybe I'm getting older. I just felt like there was no way we were losing. Even when we were down a goal with under 5 to play.
I think a lot of it was just getting back to our game and doing a lot of the things we had been doing all year.
Mika came alive at the very last minute. If we hadn't made it out of Game 5, he would have taken a beating for his performance in the series. Instead, he woke up, scored some of the biggest goals of the entire slate and won some huge FO's.
It just felt like a light came on in Game 5. When we scored 3 goals in < 3 minutes or whatever it was, there was a palpable feeling that the tide might have finally turned.
Almost ran out of time.. but better late than never. This team has been doing this all year long.
I felt that too, but still, they were flat to start game 6 and they go down two again. If Rodrigues doesn't take that bad penalty, I'm not sure we're here. But then Mika scores immediately on the PP, that gets him going and he takes over the rest of the game. That penalty is a turning point for me, because given how streaky Mika is, that confidence he got off that goal carried through the rest of the series. He was a different player
Plus, Igor played an incredible game 7. Kept us in it when we were on our heels at times. As he found his game and the star players came alive, we had a chance again
For sure. I think the reason why the flip in Game 5 was so big is because it reinforced that they could get back from that 2 goal hole... in game 6, it was almost like "okay, here we are again.. we just did this."
At the point when we were down 0-2 in Game 5, it felt like there was a fork in the road and we were either just going to roll over and get trounced or wake up and fight back. You could almost sense the team had a newfound sense of confidence after that and were not going to lose.
I honestly felt strangely at peace during the entire game last night. I knew we were going to find a way. I've never wached a Game 7 that relaxed before.. maybe I'm getting older. I just felt like there was no way we were losing. Even when we were down a goal with under 5 to play.
I'd like to say the same. While I always felt fairly confident, I wasn't at ease. There were too many quirky goals or quick strikes, etc. from the Penguins to not allow me to relax.
Definitely agree that if you'd told me we'd be here after the second Pittsburgh goal in game 5, I'd have never believed it. We were done. They showed a ton of heart and caught a few breaks, to be fair. But that's how it goes
That's good though, arc. These games still leave me a nervous wreck. Like I'm a kid again. I love it and hate it all at once lol
Lol, it was a strange contrast because I went out for Game 6 and was with a group of about 20 NYR fans and was nowhere near as relaxed or calm for that one.
I think I kind of looked at it like... Game 5 was the obvious must-win to stay alive and then we had to weather Game 6 somehow in their building. I felt like if we could just get it back home, we were going to win the series.
But, even still. I used to be an absolute lunatic.. especially during the 2014/15 runs. Even when I watched games by myself, I couldn't sit down. I'd pace around the entire time. I've certainly tamed a bit from those days.
Pretty simple. Pittsburgh had to play most of game 5 and all game 6 without one the greatest hockey players in history who up until that point was dominating the series.
Keeps them in almost every game and gives them a chance. Why do they usually get outplayed/outshot with their ‘elite’ talent? I am not at all questioning some of their skill but it is kinda strange that they don’t control play more.
Improve the forecheck And get better on clearing our D zone.
I thought that Pens really gave us fits in those areas and expect that Canes will try to do the same.
DeAngelo is a very good offensive defenseman. However from what I remember of Tony D, I can’t wait to see him trying to clear Kreider in front of the net.
Improve the forecheck And get better on clearing our D zone.
I thought that Pens really gave us fits in those areas and expect that Canes will try to do the same.
DeAngelo is a very good offensive defenseman. However from what I remember of Tony D, I can’t wait to see him trying to clear Kreider in front of the net.
I agree for the most part. Its weird, our forecheck looked pretty good in game 1 and last night, but they aeemed very indecisive in general offensively until maybe the last 5 period of the series.
100% the biggest thing is getting the puck out of our end. Its almost as if Pitt knew exactly how and where we wanted to start our exit because there was ALWAYS either a Ranger that was manned or a Penguin beat us to the puck. Its sorta seems we panic on the breakout and go along the boards by default. We might to start carrying the puck out to draw in an opposing guy and THEN make the pass. It was beyong frustrating
Rangers, IMV, got incredibly lucky in some ways - Domingue starting, Crosby missing a game, getting power plays at the right times.
They were outplayed this series. They have to do better, but they can win getting 'outplayed' due due to their elite talent and goaltending.
Rangers had 1 power play the first 125 minutes of the series. Whatever they got after that was long overdue.
Why was it overdue?
Is it possible the Pens only committed one obvious penalty in the first 125 minutes? or is the only reason the Rangers had just the one power play because the refs (and Toronto - can't forget Toronto) were out to get the Rangers in the first 125 minutes because they all wanted Crosby and the Pens to advance?
I am really torn. On one side, I cant argue against how much more he slows us down. But even if he connects on 50-60% of the hits than he did vs Pitt, it could really get into the heads of the Canes. I think Motte is such a bonus.
I think I lean towards Hunt, Motte and Reaves....I cant stand Rooney's game and he takes quite a few penalities for how little ice time he gets.
First of all, kudos to whoever posted the Torts quotes about Pittsburgh being such whiners. That was great. I know Torts is a guy who eventually wears out his welcome. But he was such a quintessential New York character and I really loved his take no prisoners attitude when talking to the media. He always spoke his mind sometimes to his detriment
Second I understand that Crosby is an incredible two way player and is one of the all time greats. I get it. But it’s a bad look for your franchise when your best player is a whiny asshole. I just read his comments about the helmet issue and the stupid rule that cost them the series. It’s no wonder the entire organization are a bunch of constant whiners. He sets the tone.
Finally kudos to PJ. He called this when it was 3-1 and all of us Ranger fans were losing hope. As a non Ranger fan with lot of hockey knowledge he was able to see things most of us did not. Most importantly that great goaltending is the most important thing in hockey.
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For direct sales from the Hurricanes' website. Plenty of tickets available to all on the secondary market.
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Not going to work. We already all live down here. Just bought my tickets for Game 2 this morning. Rangers fans have been showing up in droves to Hurricanes games since they moved down and started in Greensboro in 1997.
Improve the forecheck And get better on clearing our D zone.
I thought that Pens really gave us fits in those areas and expect that Canes will try to do the same.
DeAngelo is a very good offensive defenseman. However from what I remember of Tony D, I can’t wait to see him trying to clear Kreider in front of the net.
One of the most glaring struggles this year vs Carolina was carrying out of the D-zone and getting through the neutral zone.
Rangers are going to have to dump it in and get dirty.
RE: What do you think caused the Rangers turnaround?
Pretty simple. Pittsburgh had to play most of game 5 and all game 6 without one the greatest hockey players in history who up until that point was dominating the series.
Yup
Fans always want to credit their team with doing something strategic that changed things. But no doubt that Crosby going out gave the Rangers a huge advantage.
But that's hockey. Sid needed to look up and he didn't. And Trouba took him to the cleaners.
LGtR2
Game 7 buzz in the streets!
Not sure many people know how hard it is to go tape to tape on a stretch pass, maybe CHP can enlighten us how hard it is for a goalie. That was in the class of "no one else in the league is doing stuff like this".
that said, I thought the Pens outplayed the Rangers and Igor kept them it on both ends (lol).
This may seem harsh to fans but it's actually a good thing and why I think the Rangers win, they've gotten to a game 7 without doing much and against a 3rd string NHL journeyman in net who looks like he turned into a pumpkin finally. And if he doesn't play it's a goalie who hasn't seen game action in over a month.
This stat sums up a lot of what I feel like I have been seeing - the Rangers *should* be scoring more, but just aren't.
that won't last, often these stats regress to the mean especially with small sample and it all comes to roost in a game 7.
from money puck on xG - 4 Pens before the first Ranger shows up. And that first Ranger who is scoring at or above the level when he should is Andrew Copp (and I acknowledge playoffs is a SSS, but it is for everyone)
*I just want to see them dominate. Typo.
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Tristan Jarry expected to start for #LetsGoPens in Game 7 tonight, barring any injury setbacks today.
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I expect Sidney Crosby and Tristan Jarry to play tonight, barring any issues this morning.
No whining about Sid or the refs.
Just get it done.
And they won.
I think there is zero carryover for either team.
They do that again they win this fucker. Do exactly that and all is well.
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Brian Dumoulin and Brian Boyle are out. Boyle is week to week with a lower-body injury.
6-3 Rangers
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Another good one, I think the pass gave Igor some confidence though and maybe gave him some swagger back, he did give up the tying goal after this but his play seemed to pick up after that pass and he looked to me more like regular Igor.
If you get extra for your dad, buy a ticket for me too!
Last Ranger game in MSG I attended.
Would love to keep him and Copp. I like the scoring of Vatrano, but just feel Motte and Copp offer more from a team perspective. Hopefully we can afford both while letting Straight me walk.
I haven't liked their game on either side of the red line, so I'm with you pj.
Here's a slightly different take on your graphic, but team wide, 5 v 5 all teams Round 1. Be warned, it ain't pretty:
https://twitter.com/MoneyPuckdotcom/status/1525447431101497344/photo/1
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or played well. The turning point in the series IMO was Igor's pass to Mika on the PP.
I haven't liked their game on either side of the red line, so I'm with you pj.
Here's a slightly different take on your graphic, but team wide, 5 v 5 all teams Round 1. Be warned, it ain't pretty:
https://twitter.com/MoneyPuckdotcom/status/1525447431101497344/photo/1
I meant to share this one too. And again though I take it as a positive that they are in a game 7 without playing well.
I do think the Rangers will "wake up", play a full 60 minutes and go on a little run here.
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No word yet on Sindy or Rakell, but they are both taking warmups
All playing
Good. Fuck 'em all.
1st line needs to subdue the Crosby line. I'm not sure what to expect.
Rangers 4
Pens 1
Very cool
BWW???
What?
Yes! Yes! Done.
WOW!!
We made the SCF in 2014. We made the ECF in 2012.
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We made the SCF in 2014. We made the ECF in 2012.
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Pair of spectacular saves back there in the last scrum in front of him.
I still think he's playing hurt
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We made the SCF in 2014. We made the ECF in 2012.
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Maybe ya missed my point.....
Pens have had a playoff team since 2007. lol
It was. Almost invisible.
Pens will have to commit murder in order to get called for something.
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Pens will have to commit murder in order to get called for something.
No kidding.
But I really thought we would play better and didn’t. Disappointed
So many clean shots for the Pens. We have no chance unless we up our game
Rangers need to get on the forecheck and get to work here.
Refs arent going to be calling anything on PIT.
But high stick should reverse it.
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No doubt
Yep..
Absolute fucking BULLSHIT
Going to be a fine Netflix documentary one day
Gotta beat the opponents on the ice and in Toronto.
English soccer can draw a line to figure out to the fingernail when someone is offside. They publish that to the fans and it is resolved. Just freaking draw a line from the crossbar to his stick
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He cant be any softer and has been awful in this series
He cant be any softer and has been awful in this series
He's been better than Trouba, who has been dog shit for a majority of this series.
He successfully knocked Rodrigues stick off the puck, and Rodrigues took a lucky swipe at it and it went in.
I hate to say it, but I agree with this. We just haven’t really played well since Game 2. Besides brief spurts against an AHL goalie we haven’t looked very good. It’s hard to overcome that.
He cant be any softer and has been awful in this series
Incredibly difficult play to stop, I'm not putting that one on Miller. You have to do everything possible while not committing a penalty from behind, that's not on him.
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He cant be any softer and has been awful in this series
Incredibly difficult play to stop, I'm not putting that one on Miller. You have to do everything possible while not committing a penalty from behind, that's not on him.
Agreed. And silly as it may seem, knocking the stick off for that moment changed the timing for Igor. Dumb luck for pitt
He barely touched Rodriguez's stick this time. He has to do whatever it takes to stop the attempt. He obviously could reach the guy's stick, so you have to whack it so hard to knock it loose - even if that means diving. It isnt a hard play when you are right behind him and you are 6'5
This is Game 7 - he is so soft its a joke
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It did. And broke the wrong way.
Let’s see how they play in the third period but they’ve played a ridiculously awful game thru two periods
Fox and Bread are playing like pussies. SHOOT THE FUCKING PUCK YOU FUCKING IMBECILES. They’ve been flat out horrendous tonight in all aspects.
Let’s see how they play in the third period but they’ve played a ridiculously awful game thru two periods
The Rangers have been awful this series, but there is no way Igor could have thought that the puck would be lifted given Miller’s play on the puck. Sometimes to have to tip your hat to the other team. Igor has been great tonight, the team in front of him has sucked
I agree, no urgency at all up and down the lineup
I honestly dont have a problem with dealing Panarin for cap relief at this ppoint, but Toronto really cant afford him.
His play in this series is reminiscent of Randle against the Hawks last year. He legitimately looks like he is scared. I loved the guy as a player, but his performance this postseason has been dreadful.
Let’s see how they play in the third period but they’ve played a ridiculously awful game thru two periods
I disagree. The Rangers have played well in spurts. If they're that bad, why are they literally 2 inches from a 2-1 lead in this game? And had game 1 stolen from them? They arevin...and can win...this game.
Laf has been invisible. KK committed a terrible penalty. Chytil… well, we all saw what he did.
Motte and Zibby have been their best forwards by a mile.
Trouba has actially been visible this series and offers more dimension than Panarin who has NEVER done anything in big spots.
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Trouba has actially been visible this series and offers more dimension than Panarin who has NEVER done anything in big spots.
You're right. Trouba has been more visible....in an adverse way.
How is it overreacting if the guy is taking his eyes off the puck because the game is faster and then the puck routi ely runs off his stick. THAT as well as his salary warrant a discussion. I love watching him when he is playing his game in the regar season, but that entire second line looks like dogshit except for Copp.
I would trade Vatrano, Copp and Motte for Panarin and Strome right now in terms of who to keep.
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Trouba has actially been visible this series and offers more dimension than Panarin who has NEVER done anything in big spots.
You're right. Trouba has been more visible....in an adverse way.
What????
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Trouba has actially been visible this series and offers more dimension than Panarin who has NEVER done anything in big spots.
You're right. Trouba has been more visible....in an adverse way.
What????
Im honestly stunned....I have no idea what you have been watching.
I HAVE noticed that you have been in full love with Panarin all year and hating on Trouba even tho he has been stalwart d player for the Rangers. C worthy.
Pittsburgh is playing with much more urgency, like its a Game 7. The Rangers have handled the puck like its a grenade
Pittsburgh is playing with much more urgency, like its a Game 7. The Rangers have handled the puck like its a grenade
I agree with everything you have said except for your take on Miller.....he too had been up and down, but he is a 2nd year D.I think Fox has gotten too much credit this series because if points. As a defenseman he has been far less responsible with the puck. His 70 foot passes are infuriating.
I dont think I am concerned with this Anak person's view of Trouba when he says that he has been worse than Trouba. Trouba has a far tougher assignment and Panarin has been far far worse in the series.
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Pittsburgh is playing with much more urgency, like its a Game 7. The Rangers have handled the puck like its a grenade
I agree with everything you have said except for your take on Miller.....he too had been up and down, but he is a 2nd year D.I think Fox has gotten too much credit this series because if points. As a defenseman he has been far less responsible with the puck. His 70 foot passes are infuriating.
I dont think I am concerned with this Anak person's view of Trouba when he says that he has been worse than Trouba. Trouba has a far tougher assignment and Panarin has been far far worse in the series.
Trouba been worse than Panarin. Sorry
Sorry. Needs to be benched
He tried to lift up a stick that was nowhere near the ice. Brilliant.
Damn Motter… damn.
Don't include everyone in with the Eddie Mush Brigade
They are shameless. I detest that franchise like few others in any sport.
Lmao!!!!!!!
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They are shameless. I detest that franchise like few others in any sport.
right there with the cowboys
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I love (almost) all of you here, but having to read about trading Panarin down 1 in game 7 is killing me.
Now, get the Bread man going
Motte, Copp, Vattrano over Panarin? GTFOH
This aged well.
Reading some of you assclowns, you'd get rid of half the team, including Fox!
I still don't think he's healthy
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I love (almost) all of you here, but having to read about trading Panarin down 1 in game 7 is killing me.
I get its extreme, but after watching the way he has played this series, would you not rather have Vatrano, Copp and Motte signed going forward instead of Strome and paying 10 mill a year to Panarin after watching how they have all played in the playoffs?
I thought it is worth a consideration. Sorry if that sounds nuts but Panarin is a monster contract showing up like Minnie Mouse when dollars count with this team.
Vatrano got bumped off of the first line for Motte. I wonder if GG goes back to the original lines??
But to say Trouba has been worse than Panarin is a joke, too. I dont want to trade Panarin, but he has been really, really bad tonight
Only takes one shot or one great pass to change that, though!
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I love (almost) all of you here, but having to read about trading Panarin down 1 in game 7 is killing me.
I get its extreme, but after watching the way he has played this series, would you not rather have Vatrano, Copp and Motte signed going forward instead of Strome and paying 10 mill a year to Panarin after watching how they have all played in the playoffs?
I thought it is worth a consideration. Sorry if that sounds nuts but Panarin is a monster contract showing up like Minnie Mouse when dollars count with this team.
Frank with all due respect it's not just extreme it's extremely dumb. On no planet would I rather have Vatrano, Copp and Motte instead of Panarin. This is a total overreaction to one series, and while he's been shit tonight his play in the series overall hasn't been as bad as some on here think imo.
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I still don't think he's healthy
On this we agree. Fox, too. I think it will be a 2015 type thing (where half the team was playing really hurt but we didnt know until after the ECF G7 loss to Tampa) for Panarin and Fox. They both look not even close to themselves out there
Motte, Copp, Vattrano over Panarin? GTFOH
I would absolutely consider trading Panarin if it meant keeping the other 3. You are nuts if you can tolerate this type of performance when ge is still due 10 mill/year.
I love Panarin....but he has been terrible this series and you are taking 2 high performing players (Motte hasnt done much) and 3 diff upgrades on 3 diff lines (1 plays on both specials and can take faceoffs) for a player that has played worse than Rick Nash in the playoffs (Nash at least played a two way game).
Panarin has zero going for him in this postseason. I would take the 3 trade deadline aquisitions
Amen. Give us a gritty win, Phil
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I love (almost) all of you here, but having to read about trading Panarin down 1 in game 7 is killing me.
I get its extreme, but after watching the way he has played this series, would you not rather have Vatrano, Copp and Motte signed going forward instead of Strome and paying 10 mill a year to Panarin after watching how they have all played in the playoffs?
I thought it is worth a consideration. Sorry if that sounds nuts but Panarin is a monster contract showing up like Minnie Mouse when dollars count with this team.
Frank with all due respect it's not just extreme it's extremely dumb. On no planet would I rather have Vatrano, Copp and Motte instead of Panarin. This is a total overreaction to one series, and while he's been shit tonight his play in the series overall hasn't been as bad as some on here think imo.
Maybe, Im looking at the cap too. If I pay 10 mill a year to a player and have to fill other holes at the end of the season, given how the 3 have performed, Itake the 3 over the one that hasnt
Your lips to Gods ears.....Iears.....I would love for him to wake the fuck up!!!
Your hatred for K'Andre is downright strange.
Usually automatic
FUCK YEAH!
Great stuff
But to say Trouba has been worse than Panarin is a joke, too. I dont want to trade Panarin, but he has been really, really bad tonight
Only takes one shot or one great pass to change that, though!
I should buy a lottery ticket tonight
We can probably keep the 3 I mentioned and get a new back up goalie too.
Lol, LGR.
That’s how we get it done boys!
FMIC with the WIN!
AMEN! Good to see you back, FMiC! Convince B in ALB to come back too! We need his good juju in these threads.
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LGR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yup, and played a great series. Was all over the ice
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oh heall yeah!
Yes, I also said, we had them where we wanted them. Losing and then winning
That’s how we get it done boys!
I thought the same thing about those face offs. As much as I killed him earlier in the series about it, he really came up big there and in every way the past two games.
Just winner and leader shit.
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What a game, what a series! Breadman delivers…and Mika the unsung hero on the game winning power play going 3 for 3 on face offs in the zone
That’s how we get it done boys!
I thought the same thing about those face offs. As much as I killed him earlier in the series about it, he really came up big there and in every way the past two games.
Just winner and leader shit.
Better get ready for Carolina. Rangers were dominated in 4 games this year vs Carolina and were lucky to win one.
Sullivan deployed pinching defenseman this series and the Rangers had fits with it and Carolina suffocated the Rangers in the neutral zone in each game this year.
Definitely looking at going to game 1 or game 2 in Raleigh.
Eddie Olczksmkskamk is really such an idiot, saying the Canes have a rest advantage because the Rangers played 7 (my god they played game 7 YESTERDAY) and then immediately talks about the Penguins future as opposed to the Rangers putting it together tonight and Panarin winning after playing like shit.
Oh well.
True. On the other hand, the Rangers dominated the Penguins and then barely escaped this series.
This is invaluable. Don’t care how they got it done, just a huge moment for the rangers. Making their bones.
Happy for Mika and panarin. Panarin needed that goal as much as anyone and Mika was an assassin the last few games. Good for them.
Rangers definitely don’t quit.
We get more playoff hockey!
Breadman!!!!!
Zibanijed has upped his game since game 5
Fuck you, Penguins!
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What a game, what a series! Breadman delivers…and Mika the unsung hero on the game winning power play going 3 for 3 on face offs in the zone
That’s how we get it done boys!
I thought the same thing about those face offs. As much as I killed him earlier in the series about it, he really came up big there and in every way the past two games.
Just winner and leader shit.
My son and I were just saying the same. The first half of the series, they were getting killed on faceoffs. Mika was excellent tonight on the faceoffs.
Mika was nowhere to be found early in the series, but man did he come on strong. And I was one of many wondering what was wrong with Shesterkin after games 3 and 4, but he played his ass off tonight.
Kinda one of those burn the tape series…lot of ugly stretches, and this team still has its flaws, but great seeing our big guns come through when it counted most
Taking out a ball buster of a Penguins team, with Crosby bringing his A game most of the series, is a big step for this squad
I don't know if it was a goal or not but holy shit that Guentzel goal was pretty awesome. I have never seen a player kick the puck in the air to their stick before and that kind of looked intentional.
Igor was the difference. And I don't think Jarry played bad - starting him was the right move, but this is the Igor most of you watched all year.
someone (mfsd?) mentioned the key to me, Mika on the dots on the PP in OT. 3 for 3. Losing a faceoff changes everything on the PP - it forces you to retrieve the puck, takes time off the clock, and you need to make a controlled zone entry - which is why when someone said analytics people don't care about faceoffs i said they're crazy.
and get off Trouba anakim - he is the best D on the team, not by a little, by a lot and you're not here without him.
he made two bad plays this series - one the pass picked off by Rodrigues (?) last game for the shorty and a high stick, not saying he was perfect otherwise, but he covers up more than you realize and his hit on Crosby game 5 is probably why the Rangers are moving on.
lastly, I may be alone here but I think the Rangers beat the canes. The best thing about the Canes is they are deep but I don't think hugely talented, they have a few players who can score (Svechnikov, Aho, Necas, Teravainen) but in net I don't love Raanta or Kotchetkov.
In net I give the Rangers the strong advantage and that's where it starts in the playoffs.
then I like the Rangers top 9 over the Hurricanes top 9. 4th line though I think the Canes have a distinct advantage. D depth favors the Canes, but Trouba would be a top pair D for them too.
I thought he was easily their second best forward tonight.
That said, I hope Bread buries 5 in the next series and is Ranger for life because he got us on the precipice of the Finals.
Great game....good for Artemi.
That is the 2nd highest cap hit in the league, after only McDavid.
Plus, Panarin has a NMC and when he was a free agent he was allegedly only or primarily interested in NY or FL (?)
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That is the 2nd highest cap hit in the league, after only McDavid.
Plus, Panarin has a NMC and when he was a free agent he was allegedly only or primarily interested in NY or FL (?)
Oh Im not saying they should actively be shopping him for sure. I also didnt realize his NMC was that strict. Just saying if someone asked about him, I would be more receptive than a guy like Trouba or even Kreider.
Im moving on, because I dont think people were ready to even consider the idea despite our finances being tight and us having three very productive players in these playoffs who play on the top 2 lines who are not signed next year.
lol, probably easier for me, not being a fan. if they lose it's no heartbreak for me.
I'm just grateful for the game 7 and OT.
I just hate CAR, it's a weird rivalry, but MTL and CAR hate each other.
I watched most of the Eastern games in round one and there are no unconquerable teams.
Same here. My neighbors told me to keep it down. LOL
I watched most of the Eastern games in round one and there are no unconquerable teams.
Why do you think they should be favored? Where do you see the advantage for them over the Rangers?
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I watched most of the Eastern games in round one and there are no unconquerable teams.
Why do you think they should be favored? Where do you see the advantage for them over the Rangers?
1. They were the superior regular season team and outplayed the Rangers in each match.
2. The Hurricanes defense is elite (I credit coaching/structure as much as the players).
3. They're deeper and IMV have a better bottom six.
I watched most of the Eastern games in round one and there are no unconquerable teams.
Thing is, as much as I have that the Rangers have not played their best hockey this past series, I am hopeful that the keep unwrapping other levels of their game to stun opponents.
Two things....they really need to stop coughing up the puck in the offensive zone by the blue lime and they absolutely need to figure out a more efficient way of clearing their own zone. Both were killers against the Pens and the Canes will make us pay even more.
I didnt even men into the dumb penaltie that they took.
With every game, is another chance to learn how to play in the playoffs. Canes are my pick to win the Cup. But the Rangers can beat anybody if they can just be more crisp with the puck.
Fucking bitch asses. Fuck them and their loser fans. Go home.
Fucking bitch asses. Fuck them and their loser fans. Go home.
It's ridiculous. If Toronto doesn't take away the goal in game 1 or sees an obvious high stick tonight, nobody is talking about a helmet. By my count, 5 calls went to Toronto this series and all went in favor of the Pens. The only legitimate call was the goal tonight that clearly crossed the line
2. Rangers have the better goalie (even if Andersen comes back) by a lot
3. Rangers have the better top 9 and elite talent. CAR is deeper, I give you that, but the Rangers 3rd line only played around 11 min tonight, in a game 7, so 4th line, where IMO CAR has a distinct advantage, will play figure 5-6 minutes.
4. CAR D are overrated, I think they get exposed this series. BOS is very top heavy so didn't test their D depth.
One thing that we will have in this series that we didn't really have in Pittsburgh: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of fans.
Fucking bitch asses. Fuck them and their loser fans. Go home.
The worst part, is they are blaming the rule which they obviously werent responsible enough to know that dipshit could have picked up his helmet and played with it UNSTRAPPED.
Im not even going to bother with the accusations by Sullivan and that neanderthal, frat boy meathead Bissonette (still licking his wounds after his Leafs were eliminated....again) claiming that the helmet was pulled off INTENTIONALLY. Laf was being driven to the back of the net, reached out and grabbed the player pushing him and in the fall to the ice, the helmet came off and Petterson skated away.
How about know the rules you turds? I guess the coverage is going to completely ignore that the puck was contacted above the cross bar on Guentzel's goal and revel in the hackt sack instead of the bad call that it was.
Ugh....fuck Pittsburgh and that dirt bag fan base. Philly fans hate the Pens more than the Rangers and that says something.
However that was an incredible play by Guentzel. Never saw that before. He had a great series. I had no idea he was that good. And he plays a tough gritty game. Very impressive
Let’s see where else this journey takes us…
However that was an incredible play by Guentzel. Never saw that before. He had a great series. I had no idea he was that good. And he plays a tough gritty game. Very impressive
The overturn in game one was much much more subjective than the Guentzel goal in my opinion, and they took about 30 seconds to definitively overturn that one. Id feel differently if game one didnt happen. There were a couple angles that showed the puck distinctly above the bar when Guentzel hit it.
I am just tankful we didnt lose because of those 2 calls.
2. Rangers have the better goalie (even if Andersen comes back) by a lot
3. Rangers have the better top 9 and elite talent. CAR is deeper, I give you that, but the Rangers 3rd line only played around 11 min tonight, in a game 7, so 4th line, where IMO CAR has a distinct advantage, will play figure 5-6 minutes.
4. CAR D are overrated, I think they get exposed this series. BOS is very top heavy so didn't test their D depth.
If you believe in Corsi and fenwick and math in general Carolina is significantly better. They’re also more playoff tested.
They’ve also got 5 ex-rangers and we’ve had to endure hell with all the ex guys hoisting cups or ending our season (even brassard) in recent years
Igor will need to be the Oettinger if this round for the rangers to advance.
5 of the top 10 Corsi and Fenwick regular season teams either missed the playoffs or were knocked out already (6 if CAL loses)
Talk about no quit in NY…
Again, this Canes team is my pick to win the Cup, but their aggressive style can turn into a weakness and we certainly have some guns to take advantage.
Goodnight guys.
Talk about no quit in NY…
No. They lost in 5 in 79, 80, 86, 90, 96, 08, 11
That failed shove cost them the game. IMO Letang blocks that short if he is not distracted
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Talk about no quit in NY…
No. They lost in 5 in 79, 80, 86, 90, 96, 08, 11
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Here’s a fascinating stat: the #Rangers are now 4-0 in Game 7s in series where they have been down three games to one. That’s pure grit. #StanleyCupPlayoffs #NYR
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Talk about no quit in NY…
No. They lost in 5 in 79, 80, 86, 90, 96, 08, 11
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Here’s a fascinating stat: the #Rangers are now 4-0 in Game 7s in series where they have been down three games to one. That’s pure grit. #StanleyCupPlayoffs #NYR
4-0 in Game 7... meaning when they make it to a Game 7 after being down 3-1..
The other 5 times they were down 3-1 they probably lost 4-1 or 4-2 and never pushed a Game 7
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Talk about no quit in NY…
No. They lost in 5 in 79, 80, 86, 90, 96, 08, 11
Jake Kline
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Here’s a fascinating stat: the #Rangers are now 4-0 in Game 7s in series where they have been down three games to one. That’s pure grit. #StanleyCupPlayoffs #NYR
4-0 in Game 7... meaning when they make it to a Game 7 after being down 3-1..
The other 5 times they were down 3-1 they probably lost 4-1 or 4-2 and never pushed a Game 7
Oh okay, gotcha. Yeah, I misread that. My mistake. You were right, Snab.
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Can’t get rid of him fast enough. I think he gave the puck away 3 times on that one shift.
Why the fuck is Tyree in there?
The best part is they just didnt know the rule as it was written. Petterson, instead of retrieving his helmet and rejoining the play, bitched about Laf and then skated to the bench instead of grabbing his helmet.
Its not the rule Sullivan...you banged up Ben Stiller look a like, its that your team didnt know how to react.
What a satisfying feeling.
Every broadcast I have seen since 2019 (probably thousands) when the rule came into effect as soon as someone's helmet came off every broadcaster said "now he's got to leave the ice"
anyone claiming they knew this rule before last night is more likely than not, lying.
Still too many self-inflicted wounds in the process, but clean up some of that and you never know.
This team hasn't made sense all year, and I hope this playoff run they're on slaps the analytics community in the face. I do enjoy looking into analytics myself, but hockey, like any sport, is about making plays, and the intangibles. Rangers are clearly capable of making the big play when they need to, and they are never out of a game or series.
Fucking bitch asses. Fuck them and their loser fans. Go home.
They had three chances to end the series. Stop complaining!!
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Fucking bitch asses. Fuck them and their loser fans. Go home.
They had three chances to end the series. Stop complaining!!
Yeah I'm trying not to listen to anything any Pens fans have to say right now. They turn the blind eye to it when Crosby and Malkin are cross checking, cheap shotting, elbowing, slew footing, etc. but the second one of their guys gets hurt or called for a penalty, it's a travesty. The bottom line is, they were up 2-0 in back to back elimination games, and had a late third period lead in the one after that, and couldn't get the job done.
I though Chytil had a strong game, though that was a truly bone headed giveaway for the 3rd PIT goal. As a team, I thought they were strangely unwilling to get the puck deep and work it.
Igor was fantastic. Stood up when when they needed him most.
I still don't know if the Guentzel play was a goal (they never showed a 3D view that showed ice level where Guentzel's stick was relative to the bar. All the views I have seen don't have the right ice level perspective. They are all from above which makes seeing stick level relative to the crossbar a guess in which case you don't overturn the on-ice call.
otherwise, I thought the refs did a fine job and called things pretty evenly.
I do think the Miller play is usually a penalty shot, the gauge is if you don't get a shot off due to the actions of the defender and you were in the clear it's a PS, if you do get the shot off it's usually a penalty. That said, while I think Miller is good at the shootout, as a former forward, but given the choice of penalty shot by Miller or power play with all the momentum they had, I'm not sure the Rangers wouldn't take the power play and the outcome was as good as the PS.
when I see comments like "we NeEd to BEaT the PenS aNd ToRonTo" you sound like the whiny fans you are accusing the Penguins of being. Did reviews go against the Rangers? Yes, but in my unbiased opinion they were the right calls.
In closing why would the NHL, Toronto, or anyone want the Penguins (and Crosby) to advance instead of a NY team with 10 times the amount of fans in a massive market?
The league WANTS the Rangers to advance and if there were conspiracy theorists among us the Rangers have been "helped" by the league with the 2 out of the last 3 draft lotteries more than the Penguins have since Crosby was picked.
Agree with everything except I don’t know how you overturn the goal in the first game and not overturn the goal last night. Either it’s indisputable or it’s not. Clearly Kappo was ridden in to the goalie despite his best efforts to avoid him. It was called a good goal on the ice. Feels like there was a different standard at play.
He is a minority owner at this point, he sold the team to the Red Sox.
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Agree with everything except I don’t know how you overturn the goal in the first game and not overturn the goal last night. Either it’s indisputable or it’s not. Clearly Kappo was ridden in to the goalie despite his best efforts to avoid him. It was called a good goal on the ice. Feels like there was a different standard at play.
When I saw that Kakko play happen real time, my initial reaction was "that will be overturned" I thought it was 50/50 at best on review but in my view based on the current rules I thought it was correct.
These are all close plays, I think the league got them right, but to be clear if they went the other way I wouldn't start a protest in the streets of Toronto - they were that close - but I think they got them right or there wasn't a good enough view to overturn it.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
Especially Zibanejad, he looked much more assertive from when he finally saw the puck go in for his first goal in game 6.
Hopefully the OT goal gives Panarin less hesitation about shooting and just rip the puck and throw it on net, you never know what could come of it.
That being said, they can't go into a shell against Carolina, they need to take these two days to really evaluate the regular season matchups and make the necessary adjustments. Also take a look at what the Bruins were effective in doing that worked in the games they won. The Rangers struggled to get out of their own end and get through the neutral zone vs the Hurricanes all year. The way the Hurricanes pressure is unlike any other team in the league. Rangers are going to have to continue to get pucks deep, Motte being back has helped in a major way with the forecheck. Is there any indication on the status of Goodrow's injury if he could come back this series?
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
We saw this firsthand when Crosby, the greatest hockey player of the past two decades, was hit in the head in Game 5 by a player who was using his elbow as a weapon from that game’s first shift.
Every broadcast I have seen since 2019 (probably thousands) when the rule came into effect as soon as someone's helmet came off every broadcaster said "now he's got to leave the ice"
anyone claiming they knew this rule before last night is more likely than not, lying.
I did not know the rule. But the Penguins should have:
"A player on the ice whose helmet comes off during play shall be assessed a minor penalty if he does not exit the playing surface."
The rule continues with the following.
" ... or retrieve and replace his helmet properly on his head (with or without his chin strap fastened), within a reasonable period of time. It is reasonable if a player who is making a play on the puck or who is in the vicinity of the puck and engaged in the play at the time his helmet comes off, takes the opportunity to complete the play before either exiting the ice or retrieving and replacing his helmet."
With that in mind, John Marino didn't have to make a beeline for the Penguins' bench when his helmet was knocked off in Thursday's Game 3 win over the Islanders.
He skated off with the helmet in his hand, either unaware that he could put it back on his head and stay involved in the play, or not believing he had enough time and space to do so on the ice.
What followed was Cal Clutterbuck's goal to bring the Islanders within one while the Penguins were essentially shorthanded, a goal that had the potential to really be a difference-maker in the game.
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Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
it's that they were trailing in all 3 games.
I still don't know if the Guentzel play was a goal (they never showed a 3D view that showed ice level where Guentzel's stick was relative to the bar. All the views I have seen don't have the right ice level perspective. They are all from above which makes seeing stick level relative to the crossbar a guess in which case you don't overturn the on-ice call.
otherwise, I thought the refs did a fine job and called things pretty evenly.
I do think the Miller play is usually a penalty shot, the gauge is if you don't get a shot off due to the actions of the defender and you were in the clear it's a PS, if you do get the shot off it's usually a penalty. That said, while I think Miller is good at the shootout, as a former forward, but given the choice of penalty shot by Miller or power play with all the momentum they had, I'm not sure the Rangers wouldn't take the power play and the outcome was as good as the PS.
when I see comments like "we NeEd to BEaT the PenS aNd ToRonTo" you sound like the whiny fans you are accusing the Penguins of being. Did reviews go against the Rangers? Yes, but in my unbiased opinion they were the right calls.
In closing why would the NHL, Toronto, or anyone want the Penguins (and Crosby) to advance instead of a NY team with 10 times the amount of fans in a massive market?
The league WANTS the Rangers to advance and if there were conspiracy theorists among us the Rangers have been "helped" by the league with the 2 out of the last 3 draft lotteries more than the Penguins have since Crosby was picked.
I actually didn't think the Guentzel goal was close but I otherwise agree.
2. Rangers have the better goalie (even if Andersen comes back) by a lot
3. Rangers have the better top 9 and elite talent. CAR is deeper, I give you that, but the Rangers 3rd line only played around 11 min tonight, in a game 7, so 4th line, where IMO CAR has a distinct advantage, will play figure 5-6 minutes.
4. CAR D are overrated, I think they get exposed this series. BOS is very top heavy so didn't test their D depth.
I'm fine dismissing the regular season if the team punched above their weight in round one. I thought they had a sloppy round, were outplayed for much of the series, and got lucky that Domingue sucks. They aren't like the Bruins who play better than their record every year.
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Lafrenière ripped Pettersson’s helmet off his head.
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Still, in my 13 years of covering the Penguins, I can very comfortably say that I’ve never seen a series in which a team deserved to win more than the Penguins without actually, you know, winning.
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Let’s be honest: If Jacob Trouba doesn’t hit Crosby in the head in Game 5, the series is over. The Rangers were dead in the water.
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What a painfully stupid, hypocritical rule. Let’s think about this. In the first round alone, we’ve witnessed numerous head shots around the league that have gone unpunished by the humorously named NHL Safety Department. The league has made it abundantly clear that it doesn’t care about head shots.
We saw this firsthand when Crosby, the greatest hockey player of the past two decades, was hit in the head in Game 5 by a player who was using his elbow as a weapon from that game’s first shift.
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The Rangers have some serious upscale talent at the forward position. Shesterkin finally played a good game. But I’m not terribly impressed by them, and I suspect the Hurricanes will squash them in the second round. I’ve never seen a team get luckier throughout the course of a series.
Never seen more whining from the top on down in a professional sports organization from the major four.
Sullivan barks and cries at every penalty call, their announcers and beats are pathetic and their fans, forget it.
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Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
It's that they trailed and came back in every one of the wins. I might have worded it semi-confusingly, and if so, my bad.
Based on the rule and what Koho said last might in between 3rd period and OT the player can even play the puck without his helmet if he is engaged in the play. I don't think many people understand this rule - from refs to players, to coaches.
but yes, they should and lol that this happened before to the Pens.
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Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
It is that no team who had ever come back from 3-1 and trailed in all three games needed to make the comeback. The Rangers trailed in Games 5,6,7.
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I still don't know if the Guentzel play was a goal (they never showed a 3D view that showed ice level where Guentzel's stick was relative to the bar. All the views I have seen don't have the right ice level perspective. They are all from above which makes seeing stick level relative to the crossbar a guess in which case you don't overturn the on-ice call.
otherwise, I thought the refs did a fine job and called things pretty evenly.
I do think the Miller play is usually a penalty shot, the gauge is if you don't get a shot off due to the actions of the defender and you were in the clear it's a PS, if you do get the shot off it's usually a penalty. That said, while I think Miller is good at the shootout, as a former forward, but given the choice of penalty shot by Miller or power play with all the momentum they had, I'm not sure the Rangers wouldn't take the power play and the outcome was as good as the PS.
when I see comments like "we NeEd to BEaT the PenS aNd ToRonTo" you sound like the whiny fans you are accusing the Penguins of being. Did reviews go against the Rangers? Yes, but in my unbiased opinion they were the right calls.
In closing why would the NHL, Toronto, or anyone want the Penguins (and Crosby) to advance instead of a NY team with 10 times the amount of fans in a massive market?
The league WANTS the Rangers to advance and if there were conspiracy theorists among us the Rangers have been "helped" by the league with the 2 out of the last 3 draft lotteries more than the Penguins have since Crosby was picked.
I actually didn't think the Guentzel goal was close but I otherwise agree.
Igor's glove hand was above the bar and Guentzel hit his glove/wrist when he hit the puck. That's why I thought it should have been no goal.
Worried about Carolina and always irritated when we play teams that have a ton of ex rangers on them. Particularly when we let DeAngelo go for nothing, and traded Ranta and Stepan for DeAngelo himself and fucking Lias Anderrsen. Like damn, if only we got *something* out of that trade.
Hoping that Panarin finds himself a bit here and Mika continues to get hot. Let the kids grow and pray for Igor to get back to his Hart finalist ways... we can beat anyone if the break go our way.
Given the coin flip went the other way in game 1, felt like it would have been equitable to get that one.
But I understand that isn't how these things are meted out.
What I have little tolerance for is a fucking 4 minute segment on ESPN about fucking helmet-gate costing the Pens bigtime, with no acknowledgement whatsoever that they got a pretty huge benefit of the doubt on the Guentzel thing.
That and Pens fans running around on twitter saying the rangers were head-hunting all series. One high hit from Lindgren on Rakell in G1. Anyone who can't see that the Trouba/Crosby play was just an awkward hockey collision is kidding themselves.
The writer is Josh Yohe, he has been a joke for years. Not a journalist, a blatant fanboy homer
Goalie:
NYR: Shesterkin
CAR: Raanta or Andersen
Edge: With Raanta massive edge to NYR, with Andersen edge NYR (could be massive if Andersen is rusty)
1st line:
NYR: Kreider, Mika, Vatrano
CAR: Svechnikov, Aho, Jarvis
Edge: pretty even, pts go to a slight edge to CAR
2nd line:
NYR: Panarin, Strome, Copp
CAR: Teravainen, Trocheck, Necas
Edge: pretty even, pts go slight edge to NYR
3rd line:
NYR: Lafreniere, Chytil, Kakko
CAR: Niedereiter, Staal, Fast
Edge: pretty even, experience and pts to CAR, talent/momentum NYR
4th line:
NYR: Motte, Rooney, Reaves
CAR: Domi, Kotkaniemi, Stepan
Edge: I give a significant edge to CAR here
top 6 D:
NYR: Trouba, Miller, Fox, Lindgren, Schneider, Braun
CAR: Slavin, TDA, Pesce, Skjei, Smith, Cole
Edge: Closer than people think. I don't see much separation. Trouba is better defensively than any CAR D, and Fox is better offensively than any CAR D. No D on this list is as bad as Smith.
Overall, not sure why fans give CAR so much credit. Over an 82 game season, the canes had a whopping 3 more ROW.
I think this will be a good series, but the Rangers have the talent advantage in net, and the elite talent advantage, CAR has more depth, but with the NYR 4th line who will probably play 2 30 second shift a period.
Prediction: NYR in 6, maybe 5 if Igor is completely back to peak Igor.
but it's a clean slate.
To me, feels like NYR is more likely to get swept than they are to win in fewer than 7, but that's probably just my doomsday/anxiety brain.
Goalie:
NYR: Shesterkin
CAR: Raanta or Andersen
Edge: With Raanta massive edge to NYR, with Andersen edge NYR (could be massive if Andersen is rusty)
1st line:
NYR: Kreider, Mika, Vatrano
CAR: Svechnikov, Aho, Jarvis
Edge: pretty even, pts go to a slight edge to CAR
2nd line:
NYR: Panarin, Strome, Copp
CAR: Teravainen, Trocheck, Necas
Edge: pretty even, pts go slight edge to NYR
3rd line:
NYR: Lafreniere, Chytil, Kakko
CAR: Niedereiter, Staal, Fast
Edge: pretty even, experience and pts to CAR, talent/momentum NYR
4th line:
NYR: Motte, Rooney, Reaves
CAR: Domi, Kotkaniemi, Stepan
Edge: I give a significant edge to CAR here
top 6 D:
NYR: Trouba, Miller, Fox, Lindgren, Schneider, Braun
CAR: Slavin, TDA, Pesce, Skjei, Smith, Cole
Edge: Closer than people think. I don't see much separation. Trouba is better defensively than any CAR D, and Fox is better offensively than any CAR D. No D on this list is as bad as Smith.
Overall, not sure why fans give CAR so much credit. Over an 82 game season, the canes had a whopping 3 more ROW.
I think this will be a good series, but the Rangers have the talent advantage in net, and the elite talent advantage, CAR has more depth, but with the NYR 4th line who will probably play 2 30 second shift a period.
Prediction: NYR in 6, maybe 5 if Igor is completely back to peak Igor.
I appreciate your optimism, but the Rangers are really going to have to up their game in this series.
If you take away overall record, ROW, etc, when these two teams matched up...the Rangers were vastly outplayed for a majority of the four games, with Georgiev stealing the second game. It's about the matchup. Maybe outside of Colorado, the Hurricanes speed is the upper echelon of the league. They cover the ice, they move the puck quickly when they have it. The Rangers had no answer for getting out of their zone and through the neutral zone.
NYR (MET2) vs PIT (MET3): NYR in 6. PIT is top heavy, but that top is aging. It would be a sweep but Crosby/Malkin can steal a game or two. Maybe the last time Crosby, Malkin and Letang play together (Malkin and Letang are UFAs)
Very good point here.
One thing that we will have in this series that we didn't really have in Pittsburgh: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of our fans.
Rangers fans always show up in droves in Carolina, so it should be fun.
Any word on Goodrow? It would be huge if we could replace Reaves with Goodrow on the fourth line.
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Sure we're familiar with Fast, Stepan, Smith, DeAngelo, Skjei and Raanta, but they're also familiar with us. Speaking of Raanta, it'll be interesting to see what Rod the Bod does now that Freddy Andersen is healthy. Raanta has had an excellent playoffs, but Andersen was one of the top goalies during the regular season.
One thing that we will have in this series that we didn't really have in Pittsburgh: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of our fans.
Rangers fans always show up in droves in Carolina, so it should be fun.
Any word on Goodrow? It would be huge if we could replace Reaves with Goodrow on the fourth line.
I'm very close to buying tickets to Game 1. Trying to get a few things ironed on. They are around $100-$150 to sit upstairs right now.
Every broadcast I have seen since 2019 (probably thousands) when the rule came into effect as soon as someone's helmet came off every broadcaster said "now he's got to leave the ice"
anyone claiming they knew this rule before last night is more likely than not, lying.
Definitely a tough rule, but in the playoffs. If your head coach doesn’t know the minutia of the rule book - that HAS to fall on the coaching staff.
More so, and I can’t remember the details of it, but I’m 99% sure a year or two ago Sullivan misunderstood the exact same rule. Also in a playoff game, if I am remembering this right.
But even better, check out this quote lol. Nit only did he KNOW the rule, he got clarity on it from the NHL. One year ago.
“We’re actually asking for a little bit more clarity in that circumstance because it’s our understanding that John can stay in the battle there,” Penguins head coach Mike Sullivan said on Friday. “Obviously, we get outnumbered because of it. So we’re actually asking for clarity on that from the league because it’s my understanding that he can stay in that battle and look for the opportune time to get to the bench.”
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But even better, check out this quote lol. Nit only did he KNOW the rule, he got clarity on it from the NHL. One year ago.
“We’re actually asking for a little bit more clarity in that circumstance because it’s our understanding that John can stay in the battle there,” Penguins head coach Mike Sullivan said on Friday. “Obviously, we get outnumbered because of it. So we’re actually asking for clarity on that from the league because it’s my understanding that he can stay in that battle and look for the opportune time to get to the bench.” Sullivan knew - ( New Window )
Clarity...read the fucking rulebook.
Just pathetic from Sullivan. Pampered franchise, no surprise they can't handle a loss without complaining about something that didn't go their way. And he's lying about it, obviously
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Handshakes and then stand in the pocket and take the hits in the presser. Don't be a baby.
Gallant doesn't need to revert back, run with what brought you through to round two.
Handshakes and then stand in the pocket and take the hits in the presser. Don't be a baby.
It's a bad look. I'd like to rewatch the play again, but as I recall Letang had time to get in position coming in to replace the helmet-less defenseman. And Marino had the puck and turned it over. Lame.
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Sure we're familiar with Fast, Stepan, Smith, DeAngelo, Skjei and Raanta, but they're also familiar with us. Speaking of Raanta, it'll be interesting to see what Rod the Bod does now that Freddy Andersen is healthy. Raanta has had an excellent playoffs, but Andersen was one of the top goalies during the regular season.
One thing that we will have in this series that we didn't really have in Pittsburgh: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of our fans.
Rangers fans always show up in droves in Carolina, so it should be fun.
Any word on Goodrow? It would be huge if we could replace Reaves with Goodrow on the fourth line.
I disagree with sitting Reaves. He's brings toughness, spirit and grit, and he doesn't take stupid penalties. He's doing his job.
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but it really is gross when the coaches and players are wet blankets about this stuff afterward.
Handshakes and then stand in the pocket and take the hits in the presser. Don't be a baby.
It's a bad look. I'd like to rewatch the play again, but as I recall Letang had time to get in position coming in to replace the helmet-less defenseman. And Marino had the puck and turned it over. Lame.
I do think the helmet loss/line change absolutely contributed to the goal. By the time letang got on the ice it was hard for him to pick up where to go and who to cover - if you watch it you will notice letang go to the front of the net and cover no one and the outlet pass caught him by surprise leading to the turnover and Mika wide open, but that is on the Pens as we now know and not making sure their players know the rules.
Also that shot was a f-ing rocket from Mika. That part of the play gets lost and not talked about enough. He is such a streaky player. He is on fire right now.
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Sure we're familiar with Fast, Stepan, Smith, DeAngelo, Skjei and Raanta, but they're also familiar with us. Speaking of Raanta, it'll be interesting to see what Rod the Bod does now that Freddy Andersen is healthy. Raanta has had an excellent playoffs, but Andersen was one of the top goalies during the regular season.
One thing that we will have in this series that we didn't really have in Pittsburgh: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of our fans.
Rangers fans always show up in droves in Carolina, so it should be fun.
Any word on Goodrow? It would be huge if we could replace Reaves with Goodrow on the fourth line.
That's because half of NY lives here and the other half in Florida.
My ideal fourth line would be Motte-Goodrow-Hunt, but I doubt we see Goodrow anytime soon if he has a fractured ankle as rumored.
Sullivan is definitely implying that Lafreniere pulled the helmet off purposefully to provide the advantage. That seems hard to believe. It's a tough break for them, sure. But I find the excuse-making from the coach and players pretty unbecoming.
My ideal fourth line would be Motte-Goodrow-Hunt, but I doubt we see Goodrow anytime soon if he has a fractured ankle as rumored.
They have to sit Reaves. At least to start the series. 100% agree
Sullivan is definitely implying that Lafreniere pulled the helmet off purposefully to provide the advantage. That seems hard to believe. It's a tough break for them, sure. But I find the excuse-making from the coach and players pretty unbecoming.
absolutely agree, I do think they could have called a penalty on Lafreniere but I'm glad they didn't that was really a two-way scrum that results in a lost helmet.
and Mika's snipe is the real story.
I wouldn't pay attention to PIT or their reaction, I'd just move on an enjoy the win.
And Igor quietly played an outstanding game, keeping them alive when things looked grim. That was the closest he's played to his best in the playoffs. Hopefully he's over the jitters or whatever was going on that made him look ordinary. They need dominant Igor to have a chance.
My ideal fourth line would be Motte-Goodrow-Hunt, but I doubt we see Goodrow anytime soon if he has a fractured ankle as rumored.
This series is playing with house money for me. I hope the effort and performance is competitive, but if they lose to a better team, then so be it.
And Igor quietly played an outstanding game, keeping them alive when things looked grim. That was the closest he's played to his best in the playoffs. Hopefully he's over the jitters or whatever was going on that made him look ordinary. They need dominant Igor to have a chance.
Zibanejad pulling out that performance in the faceoff dot was really impressive. We were getting absolutely dominated there. Over the course of a long season, I understand why faceoff success isn't considered that important. But in a short series, it makes a difference. Huge performance.
Another shoutout, K'Andre Miller. Just eating minutes back there. Only just starting to scratch the surface of his potential. It's a short list of defenseman with the length and reach to make that poke check and then the skating ability to accelerate and draw the penalty. Exciting player
Agreed, Greg. Might have to lose a few battles early on to win the war and keep guys fresh for another long series. Part of the reason also I'd like to see Reaves come out and give a more capable 4th line 10-12 minutes a night
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Crosby said it best. The helmet rule is the dumbest rule in hockey. The only way the Rangers could beat the Penguins was by playing scumbag hockey. Par for the course.
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The Rangers were handed that series. They will get worked by Carolina. #Fugazis
Glad we have a full 2 days off here, but yeah. Turk has really been riding him.
How did that guy, out of all the possible options, get placed in the studio with McHugh, Botterill, Ace, and Tocchet?
And from what I recall on the post game on TBS last night, that really wasn't his stance or at least I don't remember him being that outright ridiculous.
I guess he felt more emboldened on twitter than live TV.
How did that guy, out of all the possible options, get placed in the studio with McHugh, Botterill, Ace, and Tocchet?
And Gretzky! The guy is on the same fucking panel as Wayne Gretzky. What the hell is Biz's appeal? I'm still trying to figure it out. He seems like a wannabe Pat McAfee with way less intellect and appeal.
But even better, check out this quote lol. Nit only did he KNOW the rule, he got clarity on it from the NHL. One year ago.
“We’re actually asking for a little bit more clarity in that circumstance because it’s our understanding that John can stay in the battle there,” Penguins head coach Mike Sullivan said on Friday. “Obviously, we get outnumbered because of it. So we’re actually asking for clarity on that from the league because it’s my understanding that he can stay in that battle and look for the opportune time to get to the bench.” Sullivan knew - ( New Window )
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on announcers/media, but man Biz is the worst.
How did that guy, out of all the possible options, get placed in the studio with McHugh, Botterill, Ace, and Tocchet?
And Gretzky! The guy is on the same fucking panel as Wayne Gretzky. What the hell is Biz's appeal? I'm still trying to figure it out. He seems like a wannabe Pat McAfee with way less intellect and appeal.
I don't even think Gretzky is great in that forum, I mean I love hearing his stories and would listen all day, but he doesn't have the best delivery and isn't a great story teller.
I like the ESPN studio WAY more
Subban was great
Chelios is great
Weekes is the best
Messier is awesome
Levy is the best.
He ostensibly got the gig because his involvement will draw some eyeballs from the Chicklets podcast following.
In hockey especially, that's a material boost.
I actually think he does a decent job and is pretty funny. His twitter game is weak.
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on announcers/media, but man Biz is the worst.
How did that guy, out of all the possible options, get placed in the studio with McHugh, Botterill, Ace, and Tocchet?
And Gretzky! The guy is on the same fucking panel as Wayne Gretzky. What the hell is Biz's appeal? I'm still trying to figure it out. He seems like a wannabe Pat McAfee with way less intellect and appeal.
I don't even think Gretzky is great in that forum, I mean I love hearing his stories and would listen all day, but he doesn't have the best delivery and isn't a great story teller.
I like the ESPN studio WAY more
Subban was great
Chelios is great
Weekes is the best
Messier is awesome
Levy is the best.
You're not wrong, but it's still Wayne Gretzky. Think of the optics. Wayne Gretzky on the same hockey panel as Paul Bissonette?
I think both game broadcasts are really good though. Strong announcers. Both miles better than NBC production. I do miss Doc though
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on announcers/media, but man Biz is the worst.
How did that guy, out of all the possible options, get placed in the studio with McHugh, Botterill, Ace, and Tocchet?
And Gretzky! The guy is on the same fucking panel as Wayne Gretzky. What the hell is Biz's appeal? I'm still trying to figure it out. He seems like a wannabe Pat McAfee with way less intellect and appeal.
I don't even think Gretzky is great in that forum, I mean I love hearing his stories and would listen all day, but he doesn't have the best delivery and isn't a great story teller.
I like the ESPN studio WAY more
Subban was great
Chelios is great
Weekes is the best
Messier is awesome
Levy is the best.
You're not wrong, but it's still Wayne Gretzky. Think of the optics. Wayne Gretzky on the same hockey panel as Paul Bissonette?
I post on the same forum as you and pj - how do you think I feel about the optics?
his fame is more from Spittin' chiclets podcast than from actually playing hockey, but to hear him talk you'd think he was a shade below Gretzky in accolades and accomplishments on the ice.
No big deal though, different strokes
Vally is incredible - eloquent, informative, and teaches you without talking down to you.
You'd think our fan base would be smarter than it is with him as one of our analysts.
Maybe because he's a Rangers fan so it's kind of his dream job and his homerism is always on display IMO (and not in a bad way). He's not Jack Edwards level homer, but he's definitely always commenting and speaking with a NY Rangers bias.
Absolutely, Vally, that studio clip of him dragging himself forward on his knees after gwg was hilarious. Every game he comes up with good insight, player positioning, movement, defensive movement, etc.
Hank has improved, a lot, as the season has gone on into SCP, lends gravitas as to mood/tenor in the locker room. Earlier in the season, as a HOF keeper and an AHL keeper, they were kind of tip-toeing around each other, but they've gotten comfortable with each other and it's fun to watch.
He and Slavin together are what makes the Hurricanes so tough. They constantly push the puck and are good skaters. Slavin is also a good defender (Tony D not so much).
Rangers are very lumbering compared to them. But it's hard not to get caught up playing their high octane style.
That said, playoffs usually favor the more physical team. Rangers really need to come out on the forecheck and also hammer these guys.
Trouba could be big in this series
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I thought I read/heard that he got offers from TNT/ESPN but chose to stay at MSG.
Maybe because he's a Rangers fan so it's kind of his dream job and his homerism is always on display IMO (and not in a bad way). He's not Jack Edwards level homer, but he's definitely always commenting and speaking with a NY Rangers bias.
He is definitely biased. He's better than Michelleti and Rosen in that regard, but still biased.
Dump in and plaster their D into the boards, take their legs away
Dump in and plaster their D into the boards, take their legs away
I agree. Biggest mistake would be try to match Hurricanes speed. That's playing their game and a guaranteed way to lose.
Rangers need to come out and go Hanson brothers on this team.
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Vally has been one of the best analysts around for a while now, and Hank is better than I expected.
Vally is incredible - eloquent, informative, and teaches you without talking down to you.
You'd think our fan base would be smarter than it is with him as one of our analysts.
Favorite analyst of all time. Don't forget what a great personality he has. He's hilarious.
I do think for fans who haven't see a lot of the Canes beyond the three or four games in the regular season you will all hate Trocheck by the end of the series if you don't already. You might remember him from the Panthers. He's the Canes version of a Marchand/Gallagher IMO. Not as extreme as Marchand by any stretch, but just a hard nosed agitator with skill.
Svechnikov is IMO their best player. Better than Aho, and Svechnikov is not afraid to be physical, even to his own detriment. You might recall his ill-advised fight with Ovi in the playoffs. It did not end well for Svechnikov.
but mostly, even though many of you will call the Hurricanes players pieces of shit, dirty, scum bags - lol- they don't have many players like that.
Maybe Domi or TDA are the closest.
Explain this level of inflation then!
I get the hockey reasons for it. But he's a big presence in the room and they seem to take that stuff very seriously.
I'm not defending it -- I just don't think anyone is going to get what they're asking for on that front as far as him sitting.
either way, it would be great to have both Goodrow and Motte in the lineup.
I expect you all are right and he'll stay in the lineup, but I also expect his lack of speed to be a big problem.
I expect you all are right and he'll stay in the lineup, but I also expect his lack of speed to be a big problem.
They couldnt catch Orr, either. But it worked against him
As someone here stated, you cant try to match their speed because the Rangers arent close to fast enough. Gotta slow them down
Like Mick said to Rocky - go to the body, take their will away
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Explain this level of inflation then!
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Game 7 - 12/12
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He had a .990 sv% from the 2nd period on in the entire series.
I think it's important though to include for thoroughness he was chased from games 3 and 4. So he couldn't allow any goals in the 3rd period in those games, and couldn't have a lower save percentage since he was on the bench.
not taking anything away from him, but...
But, you do like to see that he's largely leveled-up during the highest leverage moments.
He played almost 2 entire games in Game 1 alone and made over 70 saves.
I think it's important though to include for thoroughness he was chased from games 3 and 4. So he couldn't allow any goals in the 3rd period in those games, and couldn't have a lower save percentage since he was on the bench.
not taking anything away from him, but...
Pipe down.
(I posted the game by game stats to show that and also knew everyone here knew that, lol)
The kids line giving life?
Brett starting the game threads?
The Shesterkin pass to Mika?
Mika came alive at the very last minute. If we hadn't made it out of Game 5, he would have taken a beating for his performance in the series. Instead, he woke up, scored some of the biggest goals of the entire slate and won some huge FO's.
It just felt like a light came on in Game 5. When we scored 3 goals in < 3 minutes or whatever it was, there was a palpable feeling that the tide might have finally turned.
Almost ran out of time.. but better late than never. This team has been doing this all year long.
Mika came alive at the very last minute. If we hadn't made it out of Game 5, he would have taken a beating for his performance in the series. Instead, he woke up, scored some of the biggest goals of the entire slate and won some huge FO's.
It just felt like a light came on in Game 5. When we scored 3 goals in < 3 minutes or whatever it was, there was a palpable feeling that the tide might have finally turned.
Almost ran out of time.. but better late than never. This team has been doing this all year long.
I felt that too, but still, they were flat to start game 6 and they go down two again. If Rodrigues doesn't take that bad penalty, I'm not sure we're here. But then Mika scores immediately on the PP, that gets him going and he takes over the rest of the game. That penalty is a turning point for me, because given how streaky Mika is, that confidence he got off that goal carried through the rest of the series. He was a different player
Plus, Igor played an incredible game 7. Kept us in it when we were on our heels at times. As he found his game and the star players came alive, we had a chance again
The kids line giving life?
Brett starting the game threads?
The Shesterkin pass to Mika?
Brett starting the game threads, obviously.
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I think a lot of it was just getting back to our game and doing a lot of the things we had been doing all year.
Mika came alive at the very last minute. If we hadn't made it out of Game 5, he would have taken a beating for his performance in the series. Instead, he woke up, scored some of the biggest goals of the entire slate and won some huge FO's.
It just felt like a light came on in Game 5. When we scored 3 goals in < 3 minutes or whatever it was, there was a palpable feeling that the tide might have finally turned.
Almost ran out of time.. but better late than never. This team has been doing this all year long.
I felt that too, but still, they were flat to start game 6 and they go down two again. If Rodrigues doesn't take that bad penalty, I'm not sure we're here. But then Mika scores immediately on the PP, that gets him going and he takes over the rest of the game. That penalty is a turning point for me, because given how streaky Mika is, that confidence he got off that goal carried through the rest of the series. He was a different player
Plus, Igor played an incredible game 7. Kept us in it when we were on our heels at times. As he found his game and the star players came alive, we had a chance again
For sure. I think the reason why the flip in Game 5 was so big is because it reinforced that they could get back from that 2 goal hole... in game 6, it was almost like "okay, here we are again.. we just did this."
At the point when we were down 0-2 in Game 5, it felt like there was a fork in the road and we were either just going to roll over and get trounced or wake up and fight back. You could almost sense the team had a newfound sense of confidence after that and were not going to lose.
I honestly felt strangely at peace during the entire game last night. I knew we were going to find a way. I've never wached a Game 7 that relaxed before.. maybe I'm getting older. I just felt like there was no way we were losing. Even when we were down a goal with under 5 to play.
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I think a lot of it was just getting back to our game and doing a lot of the things we had been doing all year.
Mika came alive at the very last minute. If we hadn't made it out of Game 5, he would have taken a beating for his performance in the series. Instead, he woke up, scored some of the biggest goals of the entire slate and won some huge FO's.
It just felt like a light came on in Game 5. When we scored 3 goals in < 3 minutes or whatever it was, there was a palpable feeling that the tide might have finally turned.
Almost ran out of time.. but better late than never. This team has been doing this all year long.
I felt that too, but still, they were flat to start game 6 and they go down two again. If Rodrigues doesn't take that bad penalty, I'm not sure we're here. But then Mika scores immediately on the PP, that gets him going and he takes over the rest of the game. That penalty is a turning point for me, because given how streaky Mika is, that confidence he got off that goal carried through the rest of the series. He was a different player
Plus, Igor played an incredible game 7. Kept us in it when we were on our heels at times. As he found his game and the star players came alive, we had a chance again
For sure. I think the reason why the flip in Game 5 was so big is because it reinforced that they could get back from that 2 goal hole... in game 6, it was almost like "okay, here we are again.. we just did this."
At the point when we were down 0-2 in Game 5, it felt like there was a fork in the road and we were either just going to roll over and get trounced or wake up and fight back. You could almost sense the team had a newfound sense of confidence after that and were not going to lose.
I honestly felt strangely at peace during the entire game last night. I knew we were going to find a way. I've never wached a Game 7 that relaxed before.. maybe I'm getting older. I just felt like there was no way we were losing. Even when we were down a goal with under 5 to play.
They were outplayed this series. They have to do better, but they can win getting 'outplayed' due due to their elite talent and goaltending.
Lol, it was a strange contrast because I went out for Game 6 and was with a group of about 20 NYR fans and was nowhere near as relaxed or calm for that one.
I think I kind of looked at it like... Game 5 was the obvious must-win to stay alive and then we had to weather Game 6 somehow in their building. I felt like if we could just get it back home, we were going to win the series.
But, even still. I used to be an absolute lunatic.. especially during the 2014/15 runs. Even when I watched games by myself, I couldn't sit down. I'd pace around the entire time. I've certainly tamed a bit from those days.
They were outplayed this series. They have to do better, but they can win getting 'outplayed' due due to their elite talent and goaltending.
Rangers had 1 power play the first 125 minutes of the series. Whatever they got after that was long overdue.
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Rangers, IMV, got incredibly lucky in some ways - Domingue starting, Crosby missing a game, getting power plays at the right times.
They were outplayed this series. They have to do better, but they can win getting 'outplayed' due due to their elite talent and goaltending.
Rangers had 1 power play the first 125 minutes of the series. Whatever they got after that was long overdue.
True - my point was less about the amount of calls and more about the timing of the calls. We got them when needed.
I thought that Pens really gave us fits in those areas and expect that Canes will try to do the same.
DeAngelo is a very good offensive defenseman. However from what I remember of Tony D, I can’t wait to see him trying to clear Kreider in front of the net.
I thought that Pens really gave us fits in those areas and expect that Canes will try to do the same.
DeAngelo is a very good offensive defenseman. However from what I remember of Tony D, I can’t wait to see him trying to clear Kreider in front of the net.
I agree for the most part. Its weird, our forecheck looked pretty good in game 1 and last night, but they aeemed very indecisive in general offensively until maybe the last 5 period of the series.
100% the biggest thing is getting the puck out of our end. Its almost as if Pitt knew exactly how and where we wanted to start our exit because there was ALWAYS either a Ranger that was manned or a Penguin beat us to the puck. Its sorta seems we panic on the breakout and go along the boards by default. We might to start carrying the puck out to draw in an opposing guy and THEN make the pass. It was beyong frustrating
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Rangers, IMV, got incredibly lucky in some ways - Domingue starting, Crosby missing a game, getting power plays at the right times.
They were outplayed this series. They have to do better, but they can win getting 'outplayed' due due to their elite talent and goaltending.
Rangers had 1 power play the first 125 minutes of the series. Whatever they got after that was long overdue.
Why was it overdue?
Is it possible the Pens only committed one obvious penalty in the first 125 minutes? or is the only reason the Rangers had just the one power play because the refs (and Toronto - can't forget Toronto) were out to get the Rangers in the first 125 minutes because they all wanted Crosby and the Pens to advance?
I think I lean towards Hunt, Motte and Reaves....I cant stand Rooney's game and he takes quite a few penalities for how little ice time he gets.
First of all, kudos to whoever posted the Torts quotes about Pittsburgh being such whiners. That was great. I know Torts is a guy who eventually wears out his welcome. But he was such a quintessential New York character and I really loved his take no prisoners attitude when talking to the media. He always spoke his mind sometimes to his detriment
Second I understand that Crosby is an incredible two way player and is one of the all time greats. I get it. But it’s a bad look for your franchise when your best player is a whiny asshole. I just read his comments about the helmet issue and the stupid rule that cost them the series. It’s no wonder the entire organization are a bunch of constant whiners. He sets the tone.
Finally kudos to PJ. He called this when it was 3-1 and all of us Ranger fans were losing hope. As a non Ranger fan with lot of hockey knowledge he was able to see things most of us did not. Most importantly that great goaltending is the most important thing in hockey.
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Not going to work. We already all live down here. Just bought my tickets for Game 2 this morning. Rangers fans have been showing up in droves to Hurricanes games since they moved down and started in Greensboro in 1997.
I thought that Pens really gave us fits in those areas and expect that Canes will try to do the same.
DeAngelo is a very good offensive defenseman. However from what I remember of Tony D, I can’t wait to see him trying to clear Kreider in front of the net.
One of the most glaring struggles this year vs Carolina was carrying out of the D-zone and getting through the neutral zone.
Rangers are going to have to dump it in and get dirty.
Yup
Fans always want to credit their team with doing something strategic that changed things. But no doubt that Crosby going out gave the Rangers a huge advantage.
But that's hockey. Sid needed to look up and he didn't. And Trouba took him to the cleaners.