a third string goalie and to a game 7 overtime with a goalie who's been out for a while. It was a hard fought series. Igor is back on his game. The Rangers should be ready to play a tough rival in Carolina and win at least one of the first two in their arena.
That the Rangers are 4-0 in series where they trail 3-1?
Talk about no quit in NY…
No. They lost in 5 in 79, 80, 86, 90, 96, 08, 11
Jake Kline
@JakeAKline
Here’s a fascinating stat: the #Rangers are now 4-0 in Game 7s in series where they have been down three games to one. That’s pure grit. #StanleyCupPlayoffs #NYR
That the Rangers are 4-0 in series where they trail 3-1?
Talk about no quit in NY…
No. They lost in 5 in 79, 80, 86, 90, 96, 08, 11
Jake Kline
@JakeAKline
Here’s a fascinating stat: the #Rangers are now 4-0 in Game 7s in series where they have been down three games to one. That’s pure grit. #StanleyCupPlayoffs #NYR
4-0 in Game 7... meaning when they make it to a Game 7 after being down 3-1..
The other 5 times they were down 3-1 they probably lost 4-1 or 4-2 and never pushed a Game 7
That the Rangers are 4-0 in series where they trail 3-1?
Talk about no quit in NY…
No. They lost in 5 in 79, 80, 86, 90, 96, 08, 11
Jake Kline
@JakeAKline
Here’s a fascinating stat: the #Rangers are now 4-0 in Game 7s in series where they have been down three games to one. That’s pure grit. #StanleyCupPlayoffs #NYR
4-0 in Game 7... meaning when they make it to a Game 7 after being down 3-1..
The other 5 times they were down 3-1 they probably lost 4-1 or 4-2 and never pushed a Game 7
Oh okay, gotcha. Yeah, I misread that. My mistake. You were right, Snab.
The Penguins from Sullivan on down were graceless whiners, bitching about the refs as if they didn't get plenty of breaks in that department. Typical Penguin bullshit.
RE: Man those post-game interviews were just pathetic
The Penguins from Sullivan on down were graceless whiners, bitching about the refs as if they didn't get plenty of breaks in that department. Typical Penguin bullshit.
The best part is they just didnt know the rule as it was written. Petterson, instead of retrieving his helmet and rejoining the play, bitched about Laf and then skated to the bench instead of grabbing his helmet.
Its not the rule Sullivan...you banged up Ben Stiller look a like, its that your team didnt know how to react.
no one knew that rule. I'd bet decent money Koho didn't even know it until Jennifer Botterrill brought it up.
Every broadcast I have seen since 2019 (probably thousands) when the rule came into effect as soon as someone's helmet came off every broadcaster said "now he's got to leave the ice"
anyone claiming they knew this rule before last night is more likely than not, lying.
That was impressive. Typically only watch NHL and NBA
because my son and I were jumping up and down and screaming for about 2 straight minutes after the goal. What a crazy game and series. Credit to Pittsburgh, I thought this was going to be a quick series for the Rangers. The only game you can argue the Rangers actually outplayed them was game 3, which they lost. I'm holding out hope that they will find their game this series, and while Carolina is better than Pittsburgh, in some ways this might be a better matchup. We know that for 60 full minutes, DeAngelo, Skjei, or Smith will be on the ice, and those guys can be had. That said, their forward group, while not having a legitimate superstar (Aho is close, Svechnikov is getting there), I think the Rangers D will match up better than they did with the elite talents in Crosby, Malkin, and Guentzel (holy shit I didn't realize how good that guy is).
This team hasn't made sense all year, and I hope this playoff run they're on slaps the analytics community in the face. I do enjoy looking into analytics myself, but hockey, like any sport, is about making plays, and the intangibles. Rangers are clearly capable of making the big play when they need to, and they are never out of a game or series.
RE: Pens & ESPN gotta lot of nerve whining about some helmet rule
after they got damn near every fucking call and review going their way.
Fucking bitch asses. Fuck them and their loser fans. Go home.
They had three chances to end the series. Stop complaining!!
Yeah I'm trying not to listen to anything any Pens fans have to say right now. They turn the blind eye to it when Crosby and Malkin are cross checking, cheap shotting, elbowing, slew footing, etc. but the second one of their guys gets hurt or called for a penalty, it's a travesty. The bottom line is, they were up 2-0 in back to back elimination games, and had a late third period lead in the one after that, and couldn't get the job done.
BB56 called it! great to advance. I hope it's a turning point
for Panarin because he was invisible again in regulation. Soft, unwilling to go in front, and frustratingly unwilling to shoot for during regulation.
I though Chytil had a strong game, though that was a truly bone headed giveaway for the 3rd PIT goal. As a team, I thought they were strangely unwilling to get the puck deep and work it.
Igor was fantastic. Stood up when when they needed him most.
I still don't know if the Guentzel play was a goal (they never showed a 3D view that showed ice level where Guentzel's stick was relative to the bar. All the views I have seen don't have the right ice level perspective. They are all from above which makes seeing stick level relative to the crossbar a guess in which case you don't overturn the on-ice call.
otherwise, I thought the refs did a fine job and called things pretty evenly.
I do think the Miller play is usually a penalty shot, the gauge is if you don't get a shot off due to the actions of the defender and you were in the clear it's a PS, if you do get the shot off it's usually a penalty. That said, while I think Miller is good at the shootout, as a former forward, but given the choice of penalty shot by Miller or power play with all the momentum they had, I'm not sure the Rangers wouldn't take the power play and the outcome was as good as the PS.
when I see comments like "we NeEd to BEaT the PenS aNd ToRonTo" you sound like the whiny fans you are accusing the Penguins of being. Did reviews go against the Rangers? Yes, but in my unbiased opinion they were the right calls.
In closing why would the NHL, Toronto, or anyone want the Penguins (and Crosby) to advance instead of a NY team with 10 times the amount of fans in a massive market?
The league WANTS the Rangers to advance and if there were conspiracy theorists among us the Rangers have been "helped" by the league with the 2 out of the last 3 draft lotteries more than the Penguins have since Crosby was picked.
Agree with everything except I don’t know how you overturn the goal in the first game and not overturn the goal last night. Either it’s indisputable or it’s not. Clearly Kappo was ridden in to the goalie despite his best efforts to avoid him. It was called a good goal on the ice. Feels like there was a different standard at play.
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and then I'll brace for cover…
Agree with everything except I don’t know how you overturn the goal in the first game and not overturn the goal last night. Either it’s indisputable or it’s not. Clearly Kappo was ridden in to the goalie despite his best efforts to avoid him. It was called a good goal on the ice. Feels like there was a different standard at play.
When I saw that Kakko play happen real time, my initial reaction was "that will be overturned" I thought it was 50/50 at best on review but in my view based on the current rules I thought it was correct.
These are all close plays, I think the league got them right, but to be clear if they went the other way I wouldn't start a protest in the streets of Toronto - they were that close - but I think they got them right or there wasn't a good enough view to overturn it.
Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
of how the Rangers played. But, two things--First and foremost, today is one of the days where you just put that all to the side and enjoy it. Second, you just have to love the fight in the team to never say die.
Seemed to turn the corner from Game 6 through last night.
Especially Zibanejad, he looked much more assertive from when he finally saw the puck go in for his first goal in game 6.
Hopefully the OT goal gives Panarin less hesitation about shooting and just rip the puck and throw it on net, you never know what could come of it.
That being said, they can't go into a shell against Carolina, they need to take these two days to really evaluate the regular season matchups and make the necessary adjustments. Also take a look at what the Bruins were effective in doing that worked in the games they won. The Rangers struggled to get out of their own end and get through the neutral zone vs the Hurricanes all year. The way the Hurricanes pressure is unlike any other team in the league. Rangers are going to have to continue to get pucks deep, Motte being back has helped in a major way with the forecheck. Is there any indication on the status of Goodrow's injury if he could come back this series?
Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
from the Athletic comes across as a real homer/crybaby. Sounds like he wants to work for the team. A few quotes:
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Lafrenière ripped Pettersson’s helmet off his head.
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Still, in my 13 years of covering the Penguins, I can very comfortably say that I’ve never seen a series in which a team deserved to win more than the Penguins without actually, you know, winning.
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Let’s be honest: If Jacob Trouba doesn’t hit Crosby in the head in Game 5, the series is over. The Rangers were dead in the water.
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What a painfully stupid, hypocritical rule. Let’s think about this. In the first round alone, we’ve witnessed numerous head shots around the league that have gone unpunished by the humorously named NHL Safety Department. The league has made it abundantly clear that it doesn’t care about head shots.
We saw this firsthand when Crosby, the greatest hockey player of the past two decades, was hit in the head in Game 5 by a player who was using his elbow as a weapon from that game’s first shift.
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The Rangers have some serious upscale talent at the forward position. Shesterkin finally played a good game. But I’m not terribly impressed by them, and I suspect the Hurricanes will squash them in the second round. I’ve never seen a team get luckier throughout the course of a series.
no one knew that rule. I'd bet decent money Koho didn't even know it until Jennifer Botterrill brought it up.
Every broadcast I have seen since 2019 (probably thousands) when the rule came into effect as soon as someone's helmet came off every broadcaster said "now he's got to leave the ice"
anyone claiming they knew this rule before last night is more likely than not, lying.
I did not know the rule. But the Penguins should have:
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NHL Rule 9.6, first instituted in the 2019-20 season, begins with this:
"A player on the ice whose helmet comes off during play shall be assessed a minor penalty if he does not exit the playing surface."
The rule continues with the following.
" ... or retrieve and replace his helmet properly on his head (with or without his chin strap fastened), within a reasonable period of time. It is reasonable if a player who is making a play on the puck or who is in the vicinity of the puck and engaged in the play at the time his helmet comes off, takes the opportunity to complete the play before either exiting the ice or retrieving and replacing his helmet."
With that in mind, John Marino didn't have to make a beeline for the Penguins' bench when his helmet was knocked off in Thursday's Game 3 win over the Islanders.
He skated off with the helmet in his hand, either unaware that he could put it back on his head and stay involved in the play, or not believing he had enough time and space to do so on the ice.
What followed was Cal Clutterbuck's goal to bring the Islanders within one while the Penguins were essentially shorthanded, a goal that had the potential to really be a difference-maker in the game.
Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
I still don't know if the Guentzel play was a goal (they never showed a 3D view that showed ice level where Guentzel's stick was relative to the bar. All the views I have seen don't have the right ice level perspective. They are all from above which makes seeing stick level relative to the crossbar a guess in which case you don't overturn the on-ice call.
otherwise, I thought the refs did a fine job and called things pretty evenly.
I do think the Miller play is usually a penalty shot, the gauge is if you don't get a shot off due to the actions of the defender and you were in the clear it's a PS, if you do get the shot off it's usually a penalty. That said, while I think Miller is good at the shootout, as a former forward, but given the choice of penalty shot by Miller or power play with all the momentum they had, I'm not sure the Rangers wouldn't take the power play and the outcome was as good as the PS.
when I see comments like "we NeEd to BEaT the PenS aNd ToRonTo" you sound like the whiny fans you are accusing the Penguins of being. Did reviews go against the Rangers? Yes, but in my unbiased opinion they were the right calls.
In closing why would the NHL, Toronto, or anyone want the Penguins (and Crosby) to advance instead of a NY team with 10 times the amount of fans in a massive market?
The league WANTS the Rangers to advance and if there were conspiracy theorists among us the Rangers have been "helped" by the league with the 2 out of the last 3 draft lotteries more than the Penguins have since Crosby was picked.
I actually didn't think the Guentzel goal was close but I otherwise agree.
1. who cares about the regular season. they had 3 more wins over an 82-game season.
2. Rangers have the better goalie (even if Andersen comes back) by a lot
3. Rangers have the better top 9 and elite talent. CAR is deeper, I give you that, but the Rangers 3rd line only played around 11 min tonight, in a game 7, so 4th line, where IMO CAR has a distinct advantage, will play figure 5-6 minutes.
4. CAR D are overrated, I think they get exposed this series. BOS is very top heavy so didn't test their D depth.
I'm fine dismissing the regular season if the team punched above their weight in round one. I thought they had a sloppy round, were outplayed for much of the series, and got lucky that Domingue sucks. They aren't like the Bruins who play better than their record every year.
from the Athletic comes across as a real homer/crybaby. Sounds like he wants to work for the team. A few quotes:
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Lafrenière ripped Pettersson’s helmet off his head.
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Still, in my 13 years of covering the Penguins, I can very comfortably say that I’ve never seen a series in which a team deserved to win more than the Penguins without actually, you know, winning.
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Let’s be honest: If Jacob Trouba doesn’t hit Crosby in the head in Game 5, the series is over. The Rangers were dead in the water.
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What a painfully stupid, hypocritical rule. Let’s think about this. In the first round alone, we’ve witnessed numerous head shots around the league that have gone unpunished by the humorously named NHL Safety Department. The league has made it abundantly clear that it doesn’t care about head shots.
We saw this firsthand when Crosby, the greatest hockey player of the past two decades, was hit in the head in Game 5 by a player who was using his elbow as a weapon from that game’s first shift.
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The Rangers have some serious upscale talent at the forward position. Shesterkin finally played a good game. But I’m not terribly impressed by them, and I suspect the Hurricanes will squash them in the second round. I’ve never seen a team get luckier throughout the course of a series.
Never seen more whining from the top on down in a professional sports organization from the major four.
Sullivan barks and cries at every penalty call, their announcers and beats are pathetic and their fans, forget it.
Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
It's that they trailed and came back in every one of the wins. I might have worded it semi-confusingly, and if so, my bad.
I watched a Canadiens game where a players helmet came off and he played the puck and received a penalty. I tried looking it up but can't find it. I know it happened though - not sure what the penalty is called (unsportsmanlike? delay of game?)
Based on the rule and what Koho said last might in between 3rd period and OT the player can even play the puck without his helmet if he is engaged in the play. I don't think many people understand this rule - from refs to players, to coaches.
but yes, they should and lol that this happened before to the Pens.
Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
It is that no team who had ever come back from 3-1 and trailed in all three games needed to make the comeback. The Rangers trailed in Games 5,6,7.
I still don't know if the Guentzel play was a goal (they never showed a 3D view that showed ice level where Guentzel's stick was relative to the bar. All the views I have seen don't have the right ice level perspective. They are all from above which makes seeing stick level relative to the crossbar a guess in which case you don't overturn the on-ice call.
otherwise, I thought the refs did a fine job and called things pretty evenly.
I do think the Miller play is usually a penalty shot, the gauge is if you don't get a shot off due to the actions of the defender and you were in the clear it's a PS, if you do get the shot off it's usually a penalty. That said, while I think Miller is good at the shootout, as a former forward, but given the choice of penalty shot by Miller or power play with all the momentum they had, I'm not sure the Rangers wouldn't take the power play and the outcome was as good as the PS.
when I see comments like "we NeEd to BEaT the PenS aNd ToRonTo" you sound like the whiny fans you are accusing the Penguins of being. Did reviews go against the Rangers? Yes, but in my unbiased opinion they were the right calls.
In closing why would the NHL, Toronto, or anyone want the Penguins (and Crosby) to advance instead of a NY team with 10 times the amount of fans in a massive market?
The league WANTS the Rangers to advance and if there were conspiracy theorists among us the Rangers have been "helped" by the league with the 2 out of the last 3 draft lotteries more than the Penguins have since Crosby was picked.
I actually didn't think the Guentzel goal was close but I otherwise agree.
Igor's glove hand was above the bar and Guentzel hit his glove/wrist when he hit the puck. That's why I thought it should have been no goal.
been lurking, but loved watching with you guys during this.
Worried about Carolina and always irritated when we play teams that have a ton of ex rangers on them. Particularly when we let DeAngelo go for nothing, and traded Ranta and Stepan for DeAngelo himself and fucking Lias Anderrsen. Like damn, if only we got *something* out of that trade.
Hoping that Panarin finds himself a bit here and Mika continues to get hot. Let the kids grow and pray for Igor to get back to his Hart finalist ways... we can beat anyone if the break go our way.
I don't think the Guentzel goal was a good goal. If you show the video evidence from that one to 100 objective fans with no pretext of the call on the ice, I think 75% or more will tell you that it's no goal.
Given the coin flip went the other way in game 1, felt like it would have been equitable to get that one.
But I understand that isn't how these things are meted out.
What I have little tolerance for is a fucking 4 minute segment on ESPN about fucking helmet-gate costing the Pens bigtime, with no acknowledgement whatsoever that they got a pretty huge benefit of the doubt on the Guentzel thing.
That and Pens fans running around on twitter saying the rangers were head-hunting all series. One high hit from Lindgren on Rakell in G1. Anyone who can't see that the Trouba/Crosby play was just an awkward hockey collision is kidding themselves.
Edge: Closer than people think. I don't see much separation. Trouba is better defensively than any CAR D, and Fox is better offensively than any CAR D. No D on this list is as bad as Smith.
Overall, not sure why fans give CAR so much credit. Over an 82 game season, the canes had a whopping 3 more ROW.
I think this will be a good series, but the Rangers have the talent advantage in net, and the elite talent advantage, CAR has more depth, but with the NYR 4th line who will probably play 2 30 second shift a period.
Prediction: NYR in 6, maybe 5 if Igor is completely back to peak Igor.
Edge: Closer than people think. I don't see much separation. Trouba is better defensively than any CAR D, and Fox is better offensively than any CAR D. No D on this list is as bad as Smith.
Overall, not sure why fans give CAR so much credit. Over an 82 game season, the canes had a whopping 3 more ROW.
I think this will be a good series, but the Rangers have the talent advantage in net, and the elite talent advantage, CAR has more depth, but with the NYR 4th line who will probably play 2 30 second shift a period.
Prediction: NYR in 6, maybe 5 if Igor is completely back to peak Igor.
I appreciate your optimism, but the Rangers are really going to have to up their game in this series.
If you take away overall record, ROW, etc, when these two teams matched up...the Rangers were vastly outplayed for a majority of the four games, with Georgiev stealing the second game. It's about the matchup. Maybe outside of Colorado, the Hurricanes speed is the upper echelon of the league. They cover the ice, they move the puck quickly when they have it. The Rangers had no answer for getting out of their zone and through the neutral zone.
NYR (MET2) vs PIT (MET3): NYR in 6. PIT is top heavy, but that top is aging. It would be a sweep but Crosby/Malkin can steal a game or two. Maybe the last time Crosby, Malkin and Letang play together (Malkin and Letang are UFAs)
Sure we're familiar with Fast, Stepan, Smith, DeAngelo, Skjei and Raanta, but they're also familiar with us. Speaking of Raanta, it'll be interesting to see what Rod the Bod does now that Freddy Andersen is healthy. Raanta has had an excellent playoffs, but Andersen was one of the top goalies during the regular season.
One thing that we will have in this series that we didn't really have in Pittsburgh: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of our fans.
Rangers fans always show up in droves in Carolina, so it should be fun.
Any word on Goodrow? It would be huge if we could replace Reaves with Goodrow on the fourth line.
That failed shove cost them the game. IMO Letang blocks that short if he is not distracted
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That the Rangers are 4-0 in series where they trail 3-1?
Talk about no quit in NY…
No. They lost in 5 in 79, 80, 86, 90, 96, 08, 11
Jake Kline
@JakeAKline
Here’s a fascinating stat: the #Rangers are now 4-0 in Game 7s in series where they have been down three games to one. That’s pure grit. #StanleyCupPlayoffs #NYR
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That the Rangers are 4-0 in series where they trail 3-1?
Talk about no quit in NY…
No. They lost in 5 in 79, 80, 86, 90, 96, 08, 11
Jake Kline
@JakeAKline
Here’s a fascinating stat: the #Rangers are now 4-0 in Game 7s in series where they have been down three games to one. That’s pure grit. #StanleyCupPlayoffs #NYR
4-0 in Game 7... meaning when they make it to a Game 7 after being down 3-1..
The other 5 times they were down 3-1 they probably lost 4-1 or 4-2 and never pushed a Game 7
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That the Rangers are 4-0 in series where they trail 3-1?
Talk about no quit in NY…
No. They lost in 5 in 79, 80, 86, 90, 96, 08, 11
Jake Kline
@JakeAKline
Here’s a fascinating stat: the #Rangers are now 4-0 in Game 7s in series where they have been down three games to one. That’s pure grit. #StanleyCupPlayoffs #NYR
4-0 in Game 7... meaning when they make it to a Game 7 after being down 3-1..
The other 5 times they were down 3-1 they probably lost 4-1 or 4-2 and never pushed a Game 7
Oh okay, gotcha. Yeah, I misread that. My mistake. You were right, Snab.
Panarin
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Can’t get rid of him fast enough. I think he gave the puck away 3 times on that one shift.
Why the fuck is Tyree in there?
The best part is they just didnt know the rule as it was written. Petterson, instead of retrieving his helmet and rejoining the play, bitched about Laf and then skated to the bench instead of grabbing his helmet.
Its not the rule Sullivan...you banged up Ben Stiller look a like, its that your team didnt know how to react.
What a satisfying feeling.
Every broadcast I have seen since 2019 (probably thousands) when the rule came into effect as soon as someone's helmet came off every broadcaster said "now he's got to leave the ice"
anyone claiming they knew this rule before last night is more likely than not, lying.
Still too many self-inflicted wounds in the process, but clean up some of that and you never know.
This team hasn't made sense all year, and I hope this playoff run they're on slaps the analytics community in the face. I do enjoy looking into analytics myself, but hockey, like any sport, is about making plays, and the intangibles. Rangers are clearly capable of making the big play when they need to, and they are never out of a game or series.
Fucking bitch asses. Fuck them and their loser fans. Go home.
They had three chances to end the series. Stop complaining!!
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after they got damn near every fucking call and review going their way.
Fucking bitch asses. Fuck them and their loser fans. Go home.
They had three chances to end the series. Stop complaining!!
Yeah I'm trying not to listen to anything any Pens fans have to say right now. They turn the blind eye to it when Crosby and Malkin are cross checking, cheap shotting, elbowing, slew footing, etc. but the second one of their guys gets hurt or called for a penalty, it's a travesty. The bottom line is, they were up 2-0 in back to back elimination games, and had a late third period lead in the one after that, and couldn't get the job done.
I though Chytil had a strong game, though that was a truly bone headed giveaway for the 3rd PIT goal. As a team, I thought they were strangely unwilling to get the puck deep and work it.
Igor was fantastic. Stood up when when they needed him most.
I still don't know if the Guentzel play was a goal (they never showed a 3D view that showed ice level where Guentzel's stick was relative to the bar. All the views I have seen don't have the right ice level perspective. They are all from above which makes seeing stick level relative to the crossbar a guess in which case you don't overturn the on-ice call.
otherwise, I thought the refs did a fine job and called things pretty evenly.
I do think the Miller play is usually a penalty shot, the gauge is if you don't get a shot off due to the actions of the defender and you were in the clear it's a PS, if you do get the shot off it's usually a penalty. That said, while I think Miller is good at the shootout, as a former forward, but given the choice of penalty shot by Miller or power play with all the momentum they had, I'm not sure the Rangers wouldn't take the power play and the outcome was as good as the PS.
when I see comments like "we NeEd to BEaT the PenS aNd ToRonTo" you sound like the whiny fans you are accusing the Penguins of being. Did reviews go against the Rangers? Yes, but in my unbiased opinion they were the right calls.
In closing why would the NHL, Toronto, or anyone want the Penguins (and Crosby) to advance instead of a NY team with 10 times the amount of fans in a massive market?
The league WANTS the Rangers to advance and if there were conspiracy theorists among us the Rangers have been "helped" by the league with the 2 out of the last 3 draft lotteries more than the Penguins have since Crosby was picked.
Agree with everything except I don’t know how you overturn the goal in the first game and not overturn the goal last night. Either it’s indisputable or it’s not. Clearly Kappo was ridden in to the goalie despite his best efforts to avoid him. It was called a good goal on the ice. Feels like there was a different standard at play.
He is a minority owner at this point, he sold the team to the Red Sox.
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Agree with everything except I don’t know how you overturn the goal in the first game and not overturn the goal last night. Either it’s indisputable or it’s not. Clearly Kappo was ridden in to the goalie despite his best efforts to avoid him. It was called a good goal on the ice. Feels like there was a different standard at play.
When I saw that Kakko play happen real time, my initial reaction was "that will be overturned" I thought it was 50/50 at best on review but in my view based on the current rules I thought it was correct.
These are all close plays, I think the league got them right, but to be clear if they went the other way I wouldn't start a protest in the streets of Toronto - they were that close - but I think they got them right or there wasn't a good enough view to overturn it.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
Especially Zibanejad, he looked much more assertive from when he finally saw the puck go in for his first goal in game 6.
Hopefully the OT goal gives Panarin less hesitation about shooting and just rip the puck and throw it on net, you never know what could come of it.
That being said, they can't go into a shell against Carolina, they need to take these two days to really evaluate the regular season matchups and make the necessary adjustments. Also take a look at what the Bruins were effective in doing that worked in the games they won. The Rangers struggled to get out of their own end and get through the neutral zone vs the Hurricanes all year. The way the Hurricanes pressure is unlike any other team in the league. Rangers are going to have to continue to get pucks deep, Motte being back has helped in a major way with the forecheck. Is there any indication on the status of Goodrow's injury if he could come back this series?
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
We saw this firsthand when Crosby, the greatest hockey player of the past two decades, was hit in the head in Game 5 by a player who was using his elbow as a weapon from that game’s first shift.
Every broadcast I have seen since 2019 (probably thousands) when the rule came into effect as soon as someone's helmet came off every broadcaster said "now he's got to leave the ice"
anyone claiming they knew this rule before last night is more likely than not, lying.
I did not know the rule. But the Penguins should have:
"A player on the ice whose helmet comes off during play shall be assessed a minor penalty if he does not exit the playing surface."
The rule continues with the following.
" ... or retrieve and replace his helmet properly on his head (with or without his chin strap fastened), within a reasonable period of time. It is reasonable if a player who is making a play on the puck or who is in the vicinity of the puck and engaged in the play at the time his helmet comes off, takes the opportunity to complete the play before either exiting the ice or retrieving and replacing his helmet."
With that in mind, John Marino didn't have to make a beeline for the Penguins' bench when his helmet was knocked off in Thursday's Game 3 win over the Islanders.
He skated off with the helmet in his hand, either unaware that he could put it back on his head and stay involved in the play, or not believing he had enough time and space to do so on the ice.
What followed was Cal Clutterbuck's goal to bring the Islanders within one while the Penguins were essentially shorthanded, a goal that had the potential to really be a difference-maker in the game.
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Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
it's that they were trailing in all 3 games.
I still don't know if the Guentzel play was a goal (they never showed a 3D view that showed ice level where Guentzel's stick was relative to the bar. All the views I have seen don't have the right ice level perspective. They are all from above which makes seeing stick level relative to the crossbar a guess in which case you don't overturn the on-ice call.
otherwise, I thought the refs did a fine job and called things pretty evenly.
I do think the Miller play is usually a penalty shot, the gauge is if you don't get a shot off due to the actions of the defender and you were in the clear it's a PS, if you do get the shot off it's usually a penalty. That said, while I think Miller is good at the shootout, as a former forward, but given the choice of penalty shot by Miller or power play with all the momentum they had, I'm not sure the Rangers wouldn't take the power play and the outcome was as good as the PS.
when I see comments like "we NeEd to BEaT the PenS aNd ToRonTo" you sound like the whiny fans you are accusing the Penguins of being. Did reviews go against the Rangers? Yes, but in my unbiased opinion they were the right calls.
In closing why would the NHL, Toronto, or anyone want the Penguins (and Crosby) to advance instead of a NY team with 10 times the amount of fans in a massive market?
The league WANTS the Rangers to advance and if there were conspiracy theorists among us the Rangers have been "helped" by the league with the 2 out of the last 3 draft lotteries more than the Penguins have since Crosby was picked.
I actually didn't think the Guentzel goal was close but I otherwise agree.
2. Rangers have the better goalie (even if Andersen comes back) by a lot
3. Rangers have the better top 9 and elite talent. CAR is deeper, I give you that, but the Rangers 3rd line only played around 11 min tonight, in a game 7, so 4th line, where IMO CAR has a distinct advantage, will play figure 5-6 minutes.
4. CAR D are overrated, I think they get exposed this series. BOS is very top heavy so didn't test their D depth.
I'm fine dismissing the regular season if the team punched above their weight in round one. I thought they had a sloppy round, were outplayed for much of the series, and got lucky that Domingue sucks. They aren't like the Bruins who play better than their record every year.
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Lafrenière ripped Pettersson’s helmet off his head.
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Still, in my 13 years of covering the Penguins, I can very comfortably say that I’ve never seen a series in which a team deserved to win more than the Penguins without actually, you know, winning.
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Let’s be honest: If Jacob Trouba doesn’t hit Crosby in the head in Game 5, the series is over. The Rangers were dead in the water.
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What a painfully stupid, hypocritical rule. Let’s think about this. In the first round alone, we’ve witnessed numerous head shots around the league that have gone unpunished by the humorously named NHL Safety Department. The league has made it abundantly clear that it doesn’t care about head shots.
We saw this firsthand when Crosby, the greatest hockey player of the past two decades, was hit in the head in Game 5 by a player who was using his elbow as a weapon from that game’s first shift.
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The Rangers have some serious upscale talent at the forward position. Shesterkin finally played a good game. But I’m not terribly impressed by them, and I suspect the Hurricanes will squash them in the second round. I’ve never seen a team get luckier throughout the course of a series.
Never seen more whining from the top on down in a professional sports organization from the major four.
Sullivan barks and cries at every penalty call, their announcers and beats are pathetic and their fans, forget it.
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Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
It's that they trailed and came back in every one of the wins. I might have worded it semi-confusingly, and if so, my bad.
Based on the rule and what Koho said last might in between 3rd period and OT the player can even play the puck without his helmet if he is engaged in the play. I don't think many people understand this rule - from refs to players, to coaches.
but yes, they should and lol that this happened before to the Pens.
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Might have been shared already, but NYR are the first team in NHL history to come back and win 3 elimination games in the same series. Just incredible.
Artie had a really tough night and a fairly tough series in general, so it was awesome to see him be the one to end it and get some redemption.
This team just doesn't quit. Once the tides turned in Game 5, I started to feel supremely confident we'd win the series. I finally saw what I needed to see.
Carolina should win this series in 5, but I'm not counting these guys out of anything right now. 2 big rest days and then we're back at it.
Getting Motte back was really big.
So, no team has come back from down 3 - 1 before?
Doesn't every single comeback from 3 - 1 have a team win three elimination games in the same series?
I do find that astonishing unless I misunderstand what you're saying.
It is that no team who had ever come back from 3-1 and trailed in all three games needed to make the comeback. The Rangers trailed in Games 5,6,7.
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I still don't know if the Guentzel play was a goal (they never showed a 3D view that showed ice level where Guentzel's stick was relative to the bar. All the views I have seen don't have the right ice level perspective. They are all from above which makes seeing stick level relative to the crossbar a guess in which case you don't overturn the on-ice call.
otherwise, I thought the refs did a fine job and called things pretty evenly.
I do think the Miller play is usually a penalty shot, the gauge is if you don't get a shot off due to the actions of the defender and you were in the clear it's a PS, if you do get the shot off it's usually a penalty. That said, while I think Miller is good at the shootout, as a former forward, but given the choice of penalty shot by Miller or power play with all the momentum they had, I'm not sure the Rangers wouldn't take the power play and the outcome was as good as the PS.
when I see comments like "we NeEd to BEaT the PenS aNd ToRonTo" you sound like the whiny fans you are accusing the Penguins of being. Did reviews go against the Rangers? Yes, but in my unbiased opinion they were the right calls.
In closing why would the NHL, Toronto, or anyone want the Penguins (and Crosby) to advance instead of a NY team with 10 times the amount of fans in a massive market?
The league WANTS the Rangers to advance and if there were conspiracy theorists among us the Rangers have been "helped" by the league with the 2 out of the last 3 draft lotteries more than the Penguins have since Crosby was picked.
I actually didn't think the Guentzel goal was close but I otherwise agree.
Igor's glove hand was above the bar and Guentzel hit his glove/wrist when he hit the puck. That's why I thought it should have been no goal.
Worried about Carolina and always irritated when we play teams that have a ton of ex rangers on them. Particularly when we let DeAngelo go for nothing, and traded Ranta and Stepan for DeAngelo himself and fucking Lias Anderrsen. Like damn, if only we got *something* out of that trade.
Hoping that Panarin finds himself a bit here and Mika continues to get hot. Let the kids grow and pray for Igor to get back to his Hart finalist ways... we can beat anyone if the break go our way.
Given the coin flip went the other way in game 1, felt like it would have been equitable to get that one.
But I understand that isn't how these things are meted out.
What I have little tolerance for is a fucking 4 minute segment on ESPN about fucking helmet-gate costing the Pens bigtime, with no acknowledgement whatsoever that they got a pretty huge benefit of the doubt on the Guentzel thing.
That and Pens fans running around on twitter saying the rangers were head-hunting all series. One high hit from Lindgren on Rakell in G1. Anyone who can't see that the Trouba/Crosby play was just an awkward hockey collision is kidding themselves.
The writer is Josh Yohe, he has been a joke for years. Not a journalist, a blatant fanboy homer
Goalie:
NYR: Shesterkin
CAR: Raanta or Andersen
Edge: With Raanta massive edge to NYR, with Andersen edge NYR (could be massive if Andersen is rusty)
1st line:
NYR: Kreider, Mika, Vatrano
CAR: Svechnikov, Aho, Jarvis
Edge: pretty even, pts go to a slight edge to CAR
2nd line:
NYR: Panarin, Strome, Copp
CAR: Teravainen, Trocheck, Necas
Edge: pretty even, pts go slight edge to NYR
3rd line:
NYR: Lafreniere, Chytil, Kakko
CAR: Niedereiter, Staal, Fast
Edge: pretty even, experience and pts to CAR, talent/momentum NYR
4th line:
NYR: Motte, Rooney, Reaves
CAR: Domi, Kotkaniemi, Stepan
Edge: I give a significant edge to CAR here
top 6 D:
NYR: Trouba, Miller, Fox, Lindgren, Schneider, Braun
CAR: Slavin, TDA, Pesce, Skjei, Smith, Cole
Edge: Closer than people think. I don't see much separation. Trouba is better defensively than any CAR D, and Fox is better offensively than any CAR D. No D on this list is as bad as Smith.
Overall, not sure why fans give CAR so much credit. Over an 82 game season, the canes had a whopping 3 more ROW.
I think this will be a good series, but the Rangers have the talent advantage in net, and the elite talent advantage, CAR has more depth, but with the NYR 4th line who will probably play 2 30 second shift a period.
Prediction: NYR in 6, maybe 5 if Igor is completely back to peak Igor.
but it's a clean slate.
To me, feels like NYR is more likely to get swept than they are to win in fewer than 7, but that's probably just my doomsday/anxiety brain.
Goalie:
NYR: Shesterkin
CAR: Raanta or Andersen
Edge: With Raanta massive edge to NYR, with Andersen edge NYR (could be massive if Andersen is rusty)
1st line:
NYR: Kreider, Mika, Vatrano
CAR: Svechnikov, Aho, Jarvis
Edge: pretty even, pts go to a slight edge to CAR
2nd line:
NYR: Panarin, Strome, Copp
CAR: Teravainen, Trocheck, Necas
Edge: pretty even, pts go slight edge to NYR
3rd line:
NYR: Lafreniere, Chytil, Kakko
CAR: Niedereiter, Staal, Fast
Edge: pretty even, experience and pts to CAR, talent/momentum NYR
4th line:
NYR: Motte, Rooney, Reaves
CAR: Domi, Kotkaniemi, Stepan
Edge: I give a significant edge to CAR here
top 6 D:
NYR: Trouba, Miller, Fox, Lindgren, Schneider, Braun
CAR: Slavin, TDA, Pesce, Skjei, Smith, Cole
Edge: Closer than people think. I don't see much separation. Trouba is better defensively than any CAR D, and Fox is better offensively than any CAR D. No D on this list is as bad as Smith.
Overall, not sure why fans give CAR so much credit. Over an 82 game season, the canes had a whopping 3 more ROW.
I think this will be a good series, but the Rangers have the talent advantage in net, and the elite talent advantage, CAR has more depth, but with the NYR 4th line who will probably play 2 30 second shift a period.
Prediction: NYR in 6, maybe 5 if Igor is completely back to peak Igor.
I appreciate your optimism, but the Rangers are really going to have to up their game in this series.
If you take away overall record, ROW, etc, when these two teams matched up...the Rangers were vastly outplayed for a majority of the four games, with Georgiev stealing the second game. It's about the matchup. Maybe outside of Colorado, the Hurricanes speed is the upper echelon of the league. They cover the ice, they move the puck quickly when they have it. The Rangers had no answer for getting out of their zone and through the neutral zone.
NYR (MET2) vs PIT (MET3): NYR in 6. PIT is top heavy, but that top is aging. It would be a sweep but Crosby/Malkin can steal a game or two. Maybe the last time Crosby, Malkin and Letang play together (Malkin and Letang are UFAs)
Very good point here.
One thing that we will have in this series that we didn't really have in Pittsburgh: LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of our fans.
Rangers fans always show up in droves in Carolina, so it should be fun.
Any word on Goodrow? It would be huge if we could replace Reaves with Goodrow on the fourth line.