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College QBs (2) to watch next year Will Levis

Archer : 5/15/2022 9:35 am
I was not familiar with Will Levis until I started watching Won'Dale's highlights.

In addition to seeing an explosive Robinson I saw a fascinating QB prospect in Levis.

Four things that stood out about Levis was his ability to read defenses, throw players open,his accuracy and his pocket movement and awareness.
He is the most pro ready QB that I have seen with a level of sophistication and nuance to his game.

Robinson and Ali present a very small targets yet Levis constantly threw them open.
Of all the QBs that I have looked at so far he has the best accuracy.

In addition to those traits Levis is a real dual threat. He is athletic and runs with abandon. He is a lot like Josh Allen with his running and is not afraid of contact.

While he has a quick release and strong arm (throws a great long ball with 65 yard strength) he has an unusual delivery where he does not extend his arm when he releases the ball.

I don't know if this will be an issue in the pros
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Looked to me  
Dave on the UWS : 5/15/2022 9:46 am : link
using the baseball terminology, that he "short arms" the ball. I suspect this will be a turnoff for a lot of pro scouts.
RE: Looked to me  
Ivan15 : 5/15/2022 9:59 am : link
In comment 15709074 Dave on the UWS said:
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using the baseball terminology, that he "short arms" the ball. I suspect this will be a turnoff for a lot of pro scouts.

This isn’t baseball and he isn’t a pitcher. If you want to relate it to baseball, think catcher.
I never heard of a QB criticized for short arming. By not extending his arm in an elongated follow through, he is less likely to hit his hand/arm on an opposing player’s helmet or pads.
If you want to look at a peculiar release, look at Rivers.
The Giants seem to spend  
Bill in UT : 5/15/2022 10:04 am : link
a lot of time scouting Kentucky. I'm sure they'll be well versed on him.
He is older  
Johnny5 : 5/15/2022 10:07 am : link
And pretty built for a QB. Seems athletic, but who knows how the mental game translates? Seems the NFL is littered with QBs that have enough physical traits to be successful. Hitting on that mental intangible coupled with elite physical traits and more importantly how that translates to the NFL seems to be what no one is really able to determine effectively.

Think about it... these guys are playing against players of which something like 98.5% will NOT make it onto an NFL field when people are reviewing them as draft picks. Even the shittiest NFL defenders are elite level college players. It clearly makes the chances of drafting a guy that can become a "franchise level" as good as a spin on a roulette wheel.
Kentucky  
Archer : 5/15/2022 10:17 am : link
If Kentucky can improve their defense they can be a very dangerous team.
Ivan- your response tells me you  
Dave on the UWS : 5/15/2022 10:49 am : link
don't know what "short arming" a throw means. If you don't extend your arm on the follow through, you're unable to get your body and lower legs into the throw properly. Throwing is throwing, whether baseball or football. Its rare to see in football, granted. I would think where he would have trouble is driving the ball outside the hashmarks. If he can do that, his motion won't matter.
Also. Don’t sleep  
Earl the goat : 5/15/2022 10:49 am : link
On the RB Chris Rodriquez
We have had a lot of these threads recently  
Mike in NY : 5/15/2022 10:56 am : link
Beyond Levis, Stroud, and Young I am already keeping an eye on the following QB’s (listed in alphabetical order):

Brennan Armstrong (Virginia)
Jake Haener (Fresno State)
Hendon Hooker (Tennessee)
Phil Jurkovec (Boston College)
Grayson McCall (Coastal Carolina)
Tyler Van Dyke (Miami)
Cameron Ward (Washington State)
Mike  
Archer : 5/15/2022 11:57 am : link
Mike thanks for the list that will help me in my research.
RE: Mike  
Mike in NY : 5/15/2022 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15709187 Archer said:
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Mike thanks for the list that will help me in my research.


You’re welcome. I know others include Rattler, Hall (BYU), etc. but this is just who happened to be on my list.
RE: Ivan- your response tells me you  
Ivan15 : 5/15/2022 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15709144 Dave on the UWS said:
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don't know what "short arming" a throw means. If you don't extend your arm on the follow through, you're unable to get your body and lower legs into the throw properly. Throwing is throwing, whether baseball or football. Its rare to see in football, granted. I would think where he would have trouble is driving the ball outside the hashmarks. If he can do that, his motion won't matter.

It didn’t look to me like he was having a problem with any type of throw. Maybe any weaknesses won’t show up until the combine.
Tankathon has Giants taking the BC QB  
gtt350 : 5/15/2022 1:34 pm : link
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RE: RE: Looked to me  
TC : 5/15/2022 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15709085 Ivan15 said:
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using the baseball terminology, that he "short arms" the ball. I suspect this will be a turnoff for a lot of pro scouts.


This isn’t baseball and he isn’t a pitcher. If you want to relate it to baseball, think catcher.
I never heard of a QB criticized for short arming. By not extending his arm in an elongated follow through, he is less likely to hit his hand/arm on an opposing player’s helmet or pads.
If you want to look at a peculiar release, look at Rivers.

Rivers is a rag arm who can never make it in the NFL! At least that's what BBI told me when I liked his game pre-draft.

To the OP, I was immediately impressed by Levis upon watching Wan'Dale's highlights too. See much of the same things Archer sees. Perhaps most impressed by his pocket awareness and feisty competitiveness. He may not have the biggest arm, but he also may not need it.

I'm not a Jones hater, but pocket awareness is one of his biggest deficits.
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Payasdaddy : 5/15/2022 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15709281 TC said:
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In comment 15709085 Ivan15 said:


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In comment 15709074 Dave on the UWS said:


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using the baseball terminology, that he "short arms" the ball. I suspect this will be a turnoff for a lot of pro scouts.


This isn’t baseball and he isn’t a pitcher. If you want to relate it to baseball, think catcher.
I never heard of a QB criticized for short arming. By not extending his arm in an elongated follow through, he is less likely to hit his hand/arm on an opposing player’s helmet or pads.
If you want to look at a peculiar release, look at Rivers.


Rivers is a rag arm who can never make it in the NFL! At least that's what BBI told me when I liked his game pre-draft.

To the OP, I was immediately impressed by Levis upon watching Wan'Dale's highlights too. See much of the same things Archer sees. Perhaps most impressed by his pocket awareness and feisty competitiveness. He may not have the biggest arm, but he also may not need it.

I'm not a Jones hater, but pocket awareness is one of his biggest deficits.


Yeah, that’s a hard one to improve on a lot. Maybe jones makes enough incremental improvements to warrant a 2nd contract. He does have some good skills in other areas. But I would say 70/30 jones doesn’t improve enough for giants not to look at 2023 draft for qb. Might have to trade 1/2 of 2023 plus some 2024 to get top guy. Hopefully not, too many others holes to fill.
RE: Looked to me  
giantBCP : 5/15/2022 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15709074 Dave on the UWS said:
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using the baseball terminology, that he "short arms" the ball. I suspect this will be a turnoff for a lot of pro scouts.


Disagree. A compact delivery is one of the most sought after traits in modern QBs.
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Scooter185 : 5/15/2022 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15709307 Payasdaddy said:
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In comment 15709074 Dave on the UWS said:


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using the baseball terminology, that he "short arms" the ball. I suspect this will be a turnoff for a lot of pro scouts.


This isn’t baseball and he isn’t a pitcher. If you want to relate it to baseball, think catcher.
I never heard of a QB criticized for short arming. By not extending his arm in an elongated follow through, he is less likely to hit his hand/arm on an opposing player’s helmet or pads.
If you want to look at a peculiar release, look at Rivers.


Rivers is a rag arm who can never make it in the NFL! At least that's what BBI told me when I liked his game pre-draft.

To the OP, I was immediately impressed by Levis upon watching Wan'Dale's highlights too. See much of the same things Archer sees. Perhaps most impressed by his pocket awareness and feisty competitiveness. He may not have the biggest arm, but he also may not need it.

I'm not a Jones hater, but pocket awareness is one of his biggest deficits.



Yeah, that’s a hard one to improve on a lot. Maybe jones makes enough incremental improvements to warrant a 2nd contract. He does have some good skills in other areas. But I would say 70/30 jones doesn’t improve enough for giants not to look at 2023 draft for qb. Might have to trade 1/2 of 2023 plus some 2024 to get top guy. Hopefully not, too many others holes to fill.


If they have to trade multiple picks for their guy that's fine
Keep an eye on University of Houston QB  
Adam G in Big D : 5/15/2022 8:32 pm : link
Clayton Tune
I don't see it at all  
Mook80 : 5/15/2022 9:24 pm : link
with Levis. I see people high on his NFL potential and I'm just wondering what the hell they are seeing that im not.
RE: Keep an eye on University of Houston QB  
Mook80 : 5/15/2022 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15709509 Adam G in Big D said:
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Clayton Tune


Yuck. If Jones shows he's not it for the future this year, we're fucked if our future is Tune or Levis, I'd be surprised if either one is more than an NFL backup
RE: I don't see it at all  
Johnny5 : 5/15/2022 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15709592 Mook80 said:
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with Levis. I see people high on his NFL potential and I'm just wondering what the hell they are seeing that im not.

I don't pretend to know. All though more BBI'ers do pretend to know... that shouldn't... lol

Hitting on a QB is HELLA hard even for people that do this for a living every day.
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