I’ve been vocal last season in my support of Judge. He did nothing to warrant a third year based on his coaching down the stretch, but he walked into a burning building when he took the HC job here. And let’s be honest, all the reasons which are provided for Daniel Jones struggles could easily be said for Judge as HC. It’s since been reported Judge did not get along with Gettleman, no surprise there.
A few items:
-He’s looking forward, similar stuff to what he said when he coached here. No interest in reflecting on his time as NYG HC. Referred to the Giants as “somewhere else”.
-Enjoyed working with Daniel Jones.
-I have no idea what he was drinking. Must have graduated from Gatorade.
As an aside, I have no idea what Belichick is doing on the offensive side of the ball with the coaches. Having a bunch of coaches work “collaboratively” on offense seems like a bad idea, but can’t really question Belichick.
Make no mistake, I’m happy the Giants overhauled everything. But, I said multiple times heading into the 2021 season that Judge could very well be collateral damage - I just hated having a lame duck GM. Never made sense.
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Hired a little early, maybe needed a couple more seasons coaching on offense first.
Handed a horrible roster with no online.
Bad GM to work with.
OC forced (maybe???) on him who was coaching in the 1940’s/
He’ll resurface as a coach at one point. I don’t think he’ll be the next Bill B, but he’ll be a better coach his next time around.
Bye
I think JJ could end up being a solid college coach one day, but again...I'll be floored if he ever becomes an NFL coach one day. He-and the organization-were a laughingstock come January 2022. I'd compare JJ to Mornhinweg...he never really came close to being a HC again after his disastrous stint in Detroit & when he was a national joke (winning the coin toss in OT, electing to kick the ball, & never getting the ball back with the Bears winning on a FG.)
These players were never put in best position to succeed.
This team was not ready to start season.
Offense was a disaster and backup QB plan was worse.
Good thing Mara said he will be more patient with a first time HC. If I were Daboll I would probably rent.
I was expecting him to resurface as some kind of special teams or defensive assistant.
It reminds me of a few weeks ago, watching a guy break down how great the Chiefs offense. He kept showing these plays, and saying things like "And then you get it to your really fast guy", and and the clips kept showing them getting the ball to Hill. There is quite literally one Tyreek Hill in football. It's great to show the schemes, and how smart the coaches are..but the funny thing about great coaches..they usually are surrounded by some pretty damn good players.
It reminds me of a few weeks ago, watching a guy break down how great the Chiefs offense. He kept showing these plays, and saying things like "And then you get it to your really fast guy", and and the clips kept showing them getting the ball to Hill. There is quite literally one Tyreek Hill in football. It's great to show the schemes, and how smart the coaches are..but the funny thing about great coaches..they usually are surrounded by some pretty damn good players.
And yes, you need both.
True, but fading away like that just adds to his lore. As does him getting banned from Las Vegas.
Judge made things worse for himself as things started to crumble he showed just how empty his words and speeches were.
It reminds me of a few weeks ago, watching a guy break down how great the Chiefs offense. He kept showing these plays, and saying things like "And then you get it to your really fast guy", and and the clips kept showing them getting the ball to Hill. There is quite literally one Tyreek Hill in football. It's great to show the schemes, and how smart the coaches are..but the funny thing about great coaches..they usually are surrounded by some pretty damn good players.
But Joe Judge was an architect of the roster too. He had just as much say, perhaps more, than Gettleman. This was HIS team too.
Moving on.
Moving on.
Succinct, but probably spot on.
Moving on.
this is true and also cuts the other way - good coaches tend to get things going in the right direction regardless of what they inherit.
almost every pick the last 2 years had a coach on his staff. It was probably more good then bad though - Thomas, McKinney, Toney, Ojulari, Robinson, plus the extra first this year.
He had no chance here.
This is true, harsh as it sounds - not to mention his BS excuse for throwing the challenge flag in a non-challengeable situation. He was out of his depth and tried to cover it with talk.
Saying he got a raw deal gives him too much credit.
He maybe, MAYBE would have made a good Division II head coach.
He got a LOT of money to be an incompetent HC. Folks loves the Belichick scent on him and went full bore.
He will never be a HC in the NFL again.
He's not NFL HC material. Maybe DIV II College.
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NYG decided to punt to ATL from the ATL 39 on 4th & 3 with 6:29 remaining in the 3rd while losing 6 to 7.
With a Surrender Index of 69.9, this punt ranks at the 100th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2021 season, and the 99.6th percentile of all punts since 1999.
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NYG decided to punt to MIA from the MIA 46 on 4th & 2 with 5:03 remaining in the 3rd while losing 6 to 10.
With a Surrender Index of 20.87, this punt ranks at the 98th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2021 season, and the 96th percentile of all punts since 1999.
Saying he got a raw deal gives him too much credit.
He maybe, MAYBE would have made a good Division II head coach.
Sorry, spellcheck. He didn't handle it well at all...
I was expecting him to resurface as some kind of special teams or defensive assistant.
Well, he was Pats WR coach for a season before he came to the Giants -- he ended up doing a mediocre job with a mediocre group.
I'm sure Judge is well aware of how the offense looked last year. This is all about rehabilitating his image and proving he's got the chops to run a good offense, so he can get back into the head coach conversation. Retreating to special teams or defense won't do that. Belichick clearly likes him, so he's giving him that shot.
Think he lost some respect that night from the team.
He always seemed to back DJ so not surprised to hear him say he enjoyed working with him.
that's what he should get embroidered on his sweatshirt.
He lost me completely after the Bears presser. I'd love a deep dive one day into that presser from all parties. It was so fucking bizarre.
He lost me completely after the Bears presser. I'd love a deep dive one day into that presser from all parties. It was so fucking bizarre.
i hated garrett's offense with the heat of 1000 suns but i think it turned out garrett in a lot of ways was actually propping judge's lack of offensive knowledge up. post-garrett the emperor had no clothes - the team knew it, the media knew it, and thankfully ownership realized too.
For the love of God, I hope Mara learns to STFU. I get he's not going anywhere-people thinking the Maras are going to sell are loco-but hopefully he defers to Schoen & Daboll, makes an appearance now & again, & signs the checks.
He lost me completely after the Bears presser. I'd love a deep dive one day into that presser from all parties. It was so fucking bizarre.
I had serious serious issues with him last year, but I wanted him gone after the Miami game when he talked about how good the team looked blah blah blah after losing 20-9.
The Chargers game in mid December to the season finale vs. WTF...just embarrassing football.
He was one of the worst game managers I've ever seen.
Wish him well
I admit, I wanted to believe the stuff he was saying. Clearly Mara did too. You hope that you caught this young coach ready to lead your team for the next 15 years. I was hoping that after finishing 5-3 in 2020, he was starting to turn it around. Honestly, he started to lose me in Week 1 vs Denver, when the Giants were massively outcoached, and he did whatever the hell that was when he threw away a challenge and a time out on a play that couldn't be reviewed so he could yell at the refs. That was the moment that I started to wonder if we got it wrong. And then he turned into Ben McAdoo with nonsense in his press conferences and saying all that BS over and over again. His meltdown at the end of the season was just the tipping point that everything led up to.
In hindsight, it really seems like he took the Giants interview, because he had to, but really wanted to go to Mississippi State. When he started doing his song and dance about punching you in the mouth, he sounded great compared to Pat Shurmur who had zero personality. I bet he was as surprised as anyone that he got the job and then adopted the "fake it until you make it" attitude. He never made it.
One thing is for sure, the Patriots haven't given him an official title as a coach, and I think that has as much to do with money as anything. If he's named the official OC, there is a going industry rate for that and the Giants pay the difference. Those coaching spots make big money. The Pats basically have given him some weird role, and for all we know, he's making the same as an assistant quality control coach but getting paid his millions from the Giants.
I thought the two FB were a warning sign. Most teams don’t have one. Two?