clearly unpolished. They really do not "know" how to do a broadcast. It is a bit rough to hear when we are used to Kenny, Coney and Paul.
I think YES is trying for a bit of "diversity" for their games.
Not sure how committed they are, but I think I can let it play out before hitting the mute button.
I almost had to turn it off when he started talking about Maybin's
3 in the booth is always a bad idea, these 3 all stink, though I think Maybin has potential if he had a real pro play-by-play man to work with instead of that boob Kay.
At one point last night, he was comparing Chad Green to Mariano. It doesn't even matter what the context was; just an absurd comp regardless.
Once you get past the Rivera/Green comparison(which I too caught) he was simply saying that like Mariano, Chad has a very smooth delivery - no weird or contorted motion. He is actually pretty correct. Both Mariano and Chad have about as smooth a delivery as you will ever see. Simple, smooth, quiet and then the ball explodes out of the hand.
Bypass the effectiveness or each individually, and just visualize the delivery.
And FWIW, Green is still a damn good reliever(not as good as he was two years ago when he was one of the best in all of BB). Problem is, when he blows up, he blows up.
He does have a smooth delivery, I just thought it was pretty wild to go all the way to Mariano for a comparison.
One thing I've noticed...
I think Green is trying to scrap his CB and go back to his slider. It looks like he started the year using the CB as his secondary and then in April, he started bringing the slider back.
Now, in May, he's seemingly moved back to the slider as his support and he's moved away from the curve.
He does have a smooth delivery, I just thought it was pretty wild to go all the way to Mariano for a comparison.
One thing I've noticed...
I think Green is trying to scrap his CB and go back to his slider. It looks like he started the year using the CB as his secondary and then in April, he started bringing the slider back.
Now, in May, he's seemingly moved back to the slider as his support and he's moved away from the curve.
FWIW, I can see the physical comparison in the deliveries and it would be a familiar one for the fans to see(if you get past the effectiveness of each)
Last night, may have been Green's best outing in a while. He just looked better at hitting his spots. You may be right. The slider would be a better companion pitch then the curve.
I can't stand listening to Michael Kay. I have no use for Paul O'Neill he adds nothing to broadcast for me. David Cone is doing less YES games because he's doing more national games. I rarely have the sound up when I have a Yankee game on.
Sterling needs to retire. He just flat out misses too many plays now.
You could tell he was really nervous early on because he was prone to motormouth. He seems more relaxed now, not acting like he has to fill every moment with commentary.
The fact that the Yankees took two former players, both without any
TV analyst experience,makes Yankee broadcasts with them a must mute experience. They both seem like nice guys, but neither really brings anything to the broadcast, unless you include the agita I get from listening to them. There's something to be said about having one broadcast team (see Gary,Ron,Keith-the best in the game & I'm a Yankees fan!) that works well together & has experience with one another. YES seems to feel that more is better & every year it just gets worse.Give me Kay,Cone & O'Neill every game & I'd be happy. Those 3 work well together,have chemistry & give a similar experience that one one gets from listening to the Mets announcers!However,based on geography & the opposing team's prowess, you can get Kay & team 1, 2 or 3 or if the West Coast/Detroit-Ruocco or Flash & team 2 or 3. It just gets worse every year!
You could tell he was really nervous early on because he was prone to motormouth. He seems more relaxed now, not acting like he has to fill every moment with commentary.
yup. like i said earlier, Kay is the bigger problem. He stinks and he's a disgusting homer. As a broadcaster he's a good beat reporter, and he wasn't even good at that. New guys aren't getting helped by him.
frankly when its TV I don't really care because I can see what's happening for myself and most of time we see it better than them any way like last night when they didn't even realize for about 5 minutes that Trevino's home run hit the foul pole. honestly I'm fine when they joke around and bust on each other. I agree on Sterling as I've chronicled here on many occasion he's completely cooked. I think its a combo of decreased vision, ego, and the desire to rush and make a call before the play ends. However his performance in the booth at this point is an embarrassment. Its at the point where when I'm in the car and I'm forced to listen to him and there's a big play or a close one I wait a few seconds after the call to react to it because I know its very possible he jumped the gun and botched it. I'd listen to the opposing teams broadcast on Sirius, but the problem is when I'm with my son or daughter they are getting instant alerts on their phones from the games and there's a pretty big delay on Sirius. I wonder if the organization realizes what is happening and just doesn't give a shit? I know the Steinbrenners love him because of his over the top homerism, but at the very least he needs to take on a partner that will split the game play by play with him like the old days. I also think he's fallen on some tough times in recent years-getting divorced, and I know there was fire years back in his apartment building where he lost everything. I do feel for his situation, and with the yes app/MLBtv the only need I have to listen to him is in the car when I'm driving. However the organization is shitting on its fan base making them listen to him especially when they can't see the game for themselves.
I enjoy his Center Stage interviews. That's something he does well, he should stick to that. As a PBP guy, he has always left a lot to be desired.
Really miss Ken Singleton.
Yep loved Kenny. His old Earl Weaver stories were can't miss tv and he really has a nice easy style where the calls roll off of his tongue. Kay is awful. His calls have never sounded natural. Everything sounds stiff and rehearsed with him. Worst is when he goes into his baseball for dummies explanations. Like who is watching a Yanks-O's game in May and does know the basic nuances of baseball??
TV analyst experience,makes Yankee broadcasts with them a must mute experience. They both seem like nice guys, but neither really brings anything to the broadcast, unless you include the agita I get from listening to them. There's something to be said about having one broadcast team (see Gary,Ron,Keith-the best in the game & I'm a Yankees fan!) that works well together & has experience with one another. YES seems to feel that more is better & every year it just gets worse.Give me Kay,Cone & O'Neill every game & I'd be happy. Those 3 work well together,have chemistry & give a similar experience that one one gets from listening to the Mets announcers!However,based on geography & the opposing team's prowess, you can get Kay & team 1, 2 or 3 or if the West Coast/Detroit-Ruocco or Flash & team 2 or 3. It just gets worse every year!
Agreed. It is a chore to listen to them. I know they are inexperienced, but they say virtually nothing except referencing their playing days, or saying how great the Yankee being talked about is, even if their comments are exactly the opposite of what we just saw. And the constant talk about clothes is off the rails. And Kay actually prompts them to talk about the old days and clothing, maybe as a way to get them comfortable.
I have no doubt YES is trying to add diversity, and that is good. But there had to be better options. Beltran obviously struggles with English at times. Last night when talking about Trevino and Higashioka he actually said "two selfish players" when he wanted to say "two unselfish players". Maybin has improved some since his first broadcasts. Hopefully Beltran will too. But they have a long way to go. Yankee fans have been lucky to have the quick whit and humor of Cone and O'Neill on broadcasts.
And as far as the radio duo? One of, if not the, worst radio teams in MLB. I can't listen to them. When in the car listening on Sirius, I usually choose the opposing team's radio broadcast. Add them to the mix when Kay, Maybin and Beltran are doing the TV and it's not a stretch to say the Yankees have the worst group of radio and TV people going on that given night.
clearly unpolished. They really do not "know" how to do a broadcast. It is a bit rough to hear when we are used to Kenny, Coney and Paul.
I think YES is trying for a bit of "diversity" for their games.
Not sure how committed they are, but I think I can let it play out before hitting the mute button.
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That's right unpolished, and when you put two 'newbies' in the SAME booth, doesn't make for good audio at all.
I had to hit the mute button a couple times, it's like they are competing for air time, they are trying...
wish they would have signed him as a coach instead. Cone is my favorite. I miss Kaat and Singleton. They were the best. I like O'Neill but he jokes around too much and for some reason likes to poke fun at Kay instead of concentrating on the game.
The level of abject incohence last night was just unbelievable.
I didn't listen to the whole game, but even in 20-30 minutes or so, I was astonished at the number of things coming out of those two mouths that just didn't make any sense.
After Cone, O'Neill, Sindgleton, etc. this is just pathetic stuff by comparison, which suggests the incompetence flowing from the current Steinbrenner clan.
I'd personally drive Beltran to the four corners of the globe and pay the gas charges if we could sub in Suzyn for Carlos.
For one thing, Suzyn can actually string coherent words together and second, she's a pro. She annoys people because she has the whole yenta voice thing going but she's very good at what she does....save for the occasional ridiculous moment...linked.
clearly unpolished. They really do not "know" how to do a broadcast. It is a bit rough to hear when we are used to Kenny, Coney and Paul.
I think YES is trying for a bit of "diversity" for their games.
Not sure how committed they are, but I think I can let it play out before hitting the mute button.
they would get him out of the radio booth and give him a big presence on the Yankees pre and post game shows and taped packages. He can't do his job anymore and I feel bad listening to him.
He's always been an entertainer and over the top. For me it became a bit too much with the Yankees when Mike & Mad Dog made him a star for his HR calls. But it was fun when the Yankees were winning championships and every other fan base hated him.
I used listen to him do the Nets games with Dr J and the New York Raiders games and he was over top back then. I'm a Sterling fan not a hater but he can't follow he game anymore. If I listen for a few innings I wait for the crowd noise home or away to know if the got the call correct.
He and his partner need to be retired during this season with a big YES farewell tour. Figure out a way to keep them on YES or the radio without doing play by play.
He comes off to me as lazy and unprepared. The unfunny Mike & Mike imitation that he and Kay do sucks and is boring. The only time I've heard O'Neill say anything interesting was after David Cone made point about pitching and asked him for his perspective as a hitter.
The Yankee announcers on TV & Radio are an embarrassment when you compare them with the team across the bridge.
He comes off to me as lazy and unprepared. The unfunny Mike & Mike imitation that he and Kay do sucks and is boring. The only time I've heard O'Neill say anything interesting was after David Cone made point about pitching and asked him for his perspective as a hitter.
The Yankee announcers on TV & Radio are an embarrassment when you compare them with the team across the bridge.
I love O'Neill. He has a Rizzuto vibe to him. Doesn't take it too seriously and I like his delivery.
and often times just repeats what Kay or Maybin say. His thick accent is a little tough to decipher at times too. Yankees have really had some flops in the booth - remember David Justice? Jeff Nelson? Flaherty is boring as hell too. I don't mind O'Neill but he definitely mails it in.
but I think he could eventually be solid. Beltran's accent is sometimes cool to listen to, that's pretty much the extent of the positives I have for him lol.
I miss Singleton, especially when it was him and Cone.
You were listening when Rizzuto was doing games? He retired in 1995. There was a time he was an excellent broadcaster, not the cartoon character he turned into at the end. Paul O'Neill doesn't hold a candle to him.
I never knew this story. This is horrible and George should have fixed it. He might not have known. Whoever made this decision is hopefully paying for it somewhere today.
Quote:
NEW YORK (AP) _ Phil Rizzuto thought it over for five days, then decided to stick by his decision to end his 39-year broadcasting career with the New York Yankees.
``It’s time for me to go,″ the retired Yankee shortstop said Wednesday.
Rizzuto, 77, told a news conference at Yankee Stadium that he felt his broadcasts ``have not been up to par a lot this year.″
He said last Friday he was quitting partly because WPIX-TV wouldn’t let him attend former teammate Mickey Mantle’s funeral in Dallas.
But at the news conference, the beloved broadcaster backed away from that statement, saying he had initially agreed with the station’s decision to send fellow broadcaster Bobby Murcer to represent WPIX at the funeral.
However, after watching Mantle’s funeral on television last Tuesday, Rizzuto became so upset he had to leave the booth during a Yankees’ telecast that night.
``When I saw the services, I realized what a big mistake I had made (by not attending the funeral),″ said Rizzuto, who will turn 78 next month. ``But I had nobody to blame but myself.″
Rizzuto, whose folksy broadcasting style included frequent cries of `Holy cow!′ and birthday greetings to fans, said he had been thinking about retiring even before Mantle died. But Mantle’s death, and its emotional aftermath, convinced Rizzuto it was time to leave.
Think about it. WPIX didn't let Phil Rizzuto out of game or two to go to Mickey Mantle's funeral. How does that happen?
I think YES is trying for a bit of "diversity" for their games.
Not sure how committed they are, but I think I can let it play out before hitting the mute button.
At one point last night, he was comparing Chad Green to Mariano. It doesn't even matter what the context was; just an absurd comp regardless.
Need so much more David Cone.
I can live with one of Maybin/Beltran (ideally Maybin) but having both at the same time was definitely rough.
Maybin is at least tolerable, but I don't see the potential others do.
What is not up for debate is that the two of them in the same booth is just terrible.
At one point last night, he was comparing Chad Green to Mariano. It doesn't even matter what the context was; just an absurd comp regardless.
Once you get past the Rivera/Green comparison(which I too caught) he was simply saying that like Mariano, Chad has a very smooth delivery - no weird or contorted motion. He is actually pretty correct. Both Mariano and Chad have about as smooth a delivery as you will ever see. Simple, smooth, quiet and then the ball explodes out of the hand.
Bypass the effectiveness or each individually, and just visualize the delivery.
And FWIW, Green is still a damn good reliever(not as good as he was two years ago when he was one of the best in all of BB). Problem is, when he blows up, he blows up.
One thing I've noticed...
I think Green is trying to scrap his CB and go back to his slider. It looks like he started the year using the CB as his secondary and then in April, he started bringing the slider back.
Now, in May, he's seemingly moved back to the slider as his support and he's moved away from the curve.
One thing I've noticed...
I think Green is trying to scrap his CB and go back to his slider. It looks like he started the year using the CB as his secondary and then in April, he started bringing the slider back.
Now, in May, he's seemingly moved back to the slider as his support and he's moved away from the curve.
FWIW, I can see the physical comparison in the deliveries and it would be a familiar one for the fans to see(if you get past the effectiveness of each)
Last night, may have been Green's best outing in a while. He just looked better at hitting his spots. You may be right. The slider would be a better companion pitch then the curve.
yup. like i said earlier, Kay is the bigger problem. He stinks and he's a disgusting homer. As a broadcaster he's a good beat reporter, and he wasn't even good at that. New guys aren't getting helped by him.
Really miss Ken Singleton.
Really miss Ken Singleton.
Yep loved Kenny. His old Earl Weaver stories were can't miss tv and he really has a nice easy style where the calls roll off of his tongue. Kay is awful. His calls have never sounded natural. Everything sounds stiff and rehearsed with him. Worst is when he goes into his baseball for dummies explanations. Like who is watching a Yanks-O's game in May and does know the basic nuances of baseball??
Really miss Ken Singleton.
me too on both. I always learned something listening to Singleton
Agreed. It is a chore to listen to them. I know they are inexperienced, but they say virtually nothing except referencing their playing days, or saying how great the Yankee being talked about is, even if their comments are exactly the opposite of what we just saw. And the constant talk about clothes is off the rails. And Kay actually prompts them to talk about the old days and clothing, maybe as a way to get them comfortable.
I have no doubt YES is trying to add diversity, and that is good. But there had to be better options. Beltran obviously struggles with English at times. Last night when talking about Trevino and Higashioka he actually said "two selfish players" when he wanted to say "two unselfish players". Maybin has improved some since his first broadcasts. Hopefully Beltran will too. But they have a long way to go. Yankee fans have been lucky to have the quick whit and humor of Cone and O'Neill on broadcasts.
And as far as the radio duo? One of, if not the, worst radio teams in MLB. I can't listen to them. When in the car listening on Sirius, I usually choose the opposing team's radio broadcast. Add them to the mix when Kay, Maybin and Beltran are doing the TV and it's not a stretch to say the Yankees have the worst group of radio and TV people going on that given night.
I think YES is trying for a bit of "diversity" for their games.
Not sure how committed they are, but I think I can let it play out before hitting the mute button.
That's right unpolished, and when you put two 'newbies' in the SAME booth, doesn't make for good audio at all.
I had to hit the mute button a couple times, it's like they are competing for air time, they are trying...
After Cone, O'Neill, Sindgleton, etc. this is just pathetic stuff by comparison, which suggests the incompetence flowing from the current Steinbrenner clan.
I'd personally drive Beltran to the four corners of the globe and pay the gas charges if we could sub in Suzyn for Carlos.
For one thing, Suzyn can actually string coherent words together and second, she's a pro. She annoys people because she has the whole yenta voice thing going but she's very good at what she does....save for the occasional ridiculous moment...linked.
Sterling is awesome too even if he can't call a play correctly anymore. He's still better than Beltran.
oh my goodness gracious - ( New Window )
It ain't English.
I think YES is trying for a bit of "diversity" for their games.
Not sure how committed they are, but I think I can let it play out before hitting the mute button.
Exactly. It takes time. They'll be fine.
He's always been an entertainer and over the top. For me it became a bit too much with the Yankees when Mike & Mad Dog made him a star for his HR calls. But it was fun when the Yankees were winning championships and every other fan base hated him.
I used listen to him do the Nets games with Dr J and the New York Raiders games and he was over top back then. I'm a Sterling fan not a hater but he can't follow he game anymore. If I listen for a few innings I wait for the crowd noise home or away to know if the got the call correct.
He and his partner need to be retired during this season with a big YES farewell tour. Figure out a way to keep them on YES or the radio without doing play by play.
The Yankee announcers on TV & Radio are an embarrassment when you compare them with the team across the bridge.
The Yankee announcers on TV & Radio are an embarrassment when you compare them with the team across the bridge.
I love O'Neill. He has a Rizzuto vibe to him. Doesn't take it too seriously and I like his delivery.
I miss Singleton, especially when it was him and Cone.
I never knew this story. This is horrible and George should have fixed it. He might not have known. Whoever made this decision is hopefully paying for it somewhere today.
``It’s time for me to go,″ the retired Yankee shortstop said Wednesday.
Rizzuto, 77, told a news conference at Yankee Stadium that he felt his broadcasts ``have not been up to par a lot this year.″
He said last Friday he was quitting partly because WPIX-TV wouldn’t let him attend former teammate Mickey Mantle’s funeral in Dallas.
But at the news conference, the beloved broadcaster backed away from that statement, saying he had initially agreed with the station’s decision to send fellow broadcaster Bobby Murcer to represent WPIX at the funeral.
However, after watching Mantle’s funeral on television last Tuesday, Rizzuto became so upset he had to leave the booth during a Yankees’ telecast that night.
``When I saw the services, I realized what a big mistake I had made (by not attending the funeral),″ said Rizzuto, who will turn 78 next month. ``But I had nobody to blame but myself.″
Rizzuto, whose folksy broadcasting style included frequent cries of `Holy cow!′ and birthday greetings to fans, said he had been thinking about retiring even before Mantle died. But Mantle’s death, and its emotional aftermath, convinced Rizzuto it was time to leave.
Think about it. WPIX didn't let Phil Rizzuto out of game or two to go to Mickey Mantle's funeral. How does that happen?
Throw in O'Neil and we got a deal (he is the scooter of his day)
Opportunity knocks
Yep. I'm 44 so I've been watching Yankee games since the mid-80s.
It does suck that the Mets have the best broadcast team; those guys are great.