Giants holding onto him past the draft really limited better options for him elsewhere, and despite his excellent 2020 season, teams can play hardball after his significant drop off in 2021.
Maybe teams are waiting to see where they'll stand after June 1?
Giants holding onto him past the draft really limited better options for him elsewhere, and despite his excellent 2020 season, teams can play hardball after his significant drop off in 2021.
Our entire defense looked good after the first Dallas game in 2020, it was mainly because we played poor quarterbacks. Bradberry is limited. In his next role, he will probably be a CB2, which might suit him better, but this is not superstar or difference maker and that is why the market is probably not very high for him.
and the teams couldnt come to contract terms with him tells you that his camp is valuing him higher than the league is right now. i'm guessing teams are interested but not at the price he thinks he should get. eventually he'll have to come down in his ask. at the end of the day he was average at best last year. teams picked on him in a bunch of games.
Got to think he made a mistake not approving a trade
He had a salary set and had banked his guarantee. Though I’m sure teams wanted him to take a cut it would have been some percentage of that. Maybe ~$10m per, 3 year $30 range and another guarantee. Now, he’s got a blank slate and could end up having to take a prove it deal. Might have overplayed his had. We’ll see.
Giants holding onto him past the draft really limited better options for him elsewhere, and despite his excellent 2020 season, teams can play hardball after his significant drop off in 2021.
I thought the prevailing theory at this point was that there were deals in place however Bradberry was unwilling to restructure his contract, which was a condition of the deal imposed by the trade partners, not the Giants.
Giants holding onto him past the draft really limited better options for him elsewhere, and despite his excellent 2020 season, teams can play hardball after his significant drop off in 2021.
Our entire defense looked good after the first Dallas game in 2020, it was mainly because we played poor quarterbacks. Bradberry is limited. In his next role, he will probably be a CB2, which might suit him better, but this is not superstar or difference maker and that is why the market is probably not very high for him.
JB and Leo had huge 2020 seasons, let's not minimize two high level performances. The defense dropped off in 2021, largely because either Judge instructed Graham to play it really conservative to protect itself, or Graham chose to. It played into the hands of their opponents and we saw some individual fall off as a result. That said, I felt like there was a bit of slippage in JB's game, be it what I described or a down year, or perhaps lost a 1/2 step. Time will tell.
Giants holding onto him past the draft really limited better options for him elsewhere, and despite his excellent 2020 season, teams can play hardball after his significant drop off in 2021.
Yup. The money dried up.
Bradberry has an inexperienced agent and they misjudged badly
on April 1st Xavien Howard extended with the Dolphins for 25m AAV.
on April 13th the Texans signed Steven Nelson for 2 years 10m, 5m AAV, in a likely pivot off their pursuit of James Bradberry which hit a wall when they were allegedly off in AAV by 5m.
on April 18th the Colts, another team rumored to be after Bradberry, signed Stephon Gilmore for 2 years 20m.
I think James Bradberry thought he was Xavien Howard when in reality the league at large considered him to be more like Nelson and Gilmore.
I think they thought the NYG were bluffing and wouldn't cut him outright, and worst case scenario he'd make his 13.4m this year and get to FA next year year.
Like Logan Ryan in 2020 I think he's going to end up settling for closer to half that amount.
as Schoen said "it's unfortunate". but who knows if he goes out and plays like he did in 2020 he could get himself a big deal next year and it's worth it. that's his gamble.
by the way i think Vegas the most likely outcome when their June 1 $
similar to Logan Ryan, Bradberry is going to reunite with a coach familiar to him on a 1 year deal to re-establish his value.
Bradberry's best game last year was against Kelce, now he'll get that matchup twice. LAC/DEN both have bigger receivers he can play as well in Williams/Sutton.
from the teams that had deals in place for him. So not only did he screw himself, he screwed the Giants out of some type of compensation. Seems like his agent is totally in over his head.
Since he screwed the Giants in the regard, I'm glad he hit the market "late". Welcome to the business side of the league.
RE: I bet he would have gotten a better deal had he took the terms
from the teams that had deals in place for him. So not only did he screw himself, he screwed the Giants out of some type of compensation. Seems like his agent is totally in over his head.
Since he screwed the Giants in the regard, I'm glad he hit the market "late". Welcome to the business side of the league.
Why would his agent care about compensation for the Giants?
He is a vet. He can have a deal in place and wait till July to sign. Most vets don't like OTAs and mini-camp anyway.
Agreed. And the corner position still has high asset value/demand around the league. So, with the inevitable roster cuts, injuries, etc around the league, Bradberry will find work eventually, and at a good price.
RE: RE: I bet he would have gotten a better deal had he took the terms
from the teams that had deals in place for him. So not only did he screw himself, he screwed the Giants out of some type of compensation. Seems like his agent is totally in over his head.
Since he screwed the Giants in the regard, I'm glad he hit the market "late". Welcome to the business side of the league.
Why would his agent care about compensation for the Giants?
He obviously doesn’t. That wasn’t the point. The point was as the market dried up, he probably had more money for his client pre draft before teams put resources into the position.
He obviously mis read the market considering he doesn’t have a deal yet. The later in the off-season process we go, the less money/positins available, obviously.
his agent's mistake was not seeing this doomsday scenario coming
maybe he did and they decided they didn't care because the upside of free agency next year was more important than signing any deal they viewed as below market now.
i tend to think they more got out over their skis though because i think i saw some comments from bradberry complaining about the fact that FA money has mostly dried up at this point in the offseason...well...yeah. obviously. did he think there were teams out there waiting to spend big on him after refusing to trade for him on his current deal?
I would wait till after camp when teams are assessing how they are going into the season -- some desperate team will be needing a decent CB and pay what is nec. to sign him - -and even if they don't he won't be down anything since he's getting low balled anyway.
which means he can't just wait for any team to get an injury because their system might not fit his skill set best.
he is in the same position as the guys who fall out of the green room on draft day. the instinct is to want to go asap no matter who is on the clock but the best thing for him is going to the situation that will set him up best for his next contract.
imo that's vegas. and he'll save a little $ on taxes.
RE: his agent's mistake was not seeing this doomsday scenario coming
maybe he did and they decided they didn't care because the upside of free agency next year was more important than signing any deal they viewed as below market now.
i tend to think they more got out over their skis though because i think i saw some comments from bradberry complaining about the fact that FA money has mostly dried up at this point in the offseason...well...yeah. obviously. did he think there were teams out there waiting to spend big on him after refusing to trade for him on his current deal?
here's an article from a year ago about bradberry's agent that may not end up holding up to the test of time. Giants’ James Bradberry’s faith in young agent results in great success for both - ( New Window )
Look at what this kid (Chris Coy, JB's agent) said to a scout for Green Bay (excerpt from the Athletic article linked):
Coy’s greenness was evident when he got connected with a Packers scout through a friend of a friend while in grad school.
It was my first time ever talking to a scout,” Coy said. “The first question out of my mouth was, ‘When you guys do your scouting reports, do you look at Mel Kiper or Todd McShay?’ He was like, ‘Hey, man, I’ll call you back.’ And I never heard from him again. As an independent agent, you don’t have a structure of what’s what.”
No wonder JB got priced out. An example of a player letting his emotions guide him in his business dealings. He should fire this agent imediately.
RE: here's the problem with waiting for injury - he needs a good year
which means he can't just wait for any team to get an injury because their system might not fit his skill set best.
he is in the same position as the guys who fall out of the green room on draft day. the instinct is to want to go asap no matter who is on the clock but the best thing for him is going to the situation that will set him up best for his next contract.
imo that's vegas. and he'll save a little $ on taxes.
I don't know if going into a conference where you will play Mahommes and Herbert and Wilson six times is really designed to set him up for success. I hate to say it, but Philly seems to be his best bet. They play zone, the QBS in this division are DAK (good), Jones and Wentz (meh). The Eagles have an easy schedule etc. He would have a chance to have a nice season there.
maybe he did and they decided they didn't care because the upside of free agency next year was more important than signing any deal they viewed as below market now.
i tend to think they more got out over their skis though because i think i saw some comments from bradberry complaining about the fact that FA money has mostly dried up at this point in the offseason...well...yeah. obviously. did he think there were teams out there waiting to spend big on him after refusing to trade for him on his current deal?
here's an article from a year ago about bradberry's agent that may not end up holding up to the test of time. Giants’ James Bradberry’s faith in young agent results in great success for both - ( New Window )
Look at what this kid (Chris Coy, JB's agent) said to a scout for Green Bay (excerpt from the Athletic article linked):
Coy’s greenness was evident when he got connected with a Packers scout through a friend of a friend while in grad school.
It was my first time ever talking to a scout,” Coy said. “The first question out of my mouth was, ‘When you guys do your scouting reports, do you look at Mel Kiper or Todd McShay?’ He was like, ‘Hey, man, I’ll call you back.’ And I never heard from him again. As an independent agent, you don’t have a structure of what’s what.”
No wonder JB got priced out. An example of a player letting his emotions guide him in his business dealings. He should fire this agent imediately.
Having once worked for a theatrical agency, I concur that yeah, this is bad. You pay your agent to know more about the business and the marketplace than you do, so they can find you opportunities, and then to negotiate your deal better than you would. This guy may be very sharp and sincere but he doesn't know the business and the marketplace well enough (yet) to represent a starting NFL CB. Maybe he's an ace negotiator but signs aren't pointing to that. But y'know, some lessons can't be taught, they can only be learned. JB may be getting one of those.
from the teams that had deals in place for him. So not only did he screw himself, he screwed the Giants out of some type of compensation. Seems like his agent is totally in over his head.
Since he screwed the Giants in the regard, I'm glad he hit the market "late". Welcome to the business side of the league.
Why would his agent care about compensation for the Giants?
Doesn’t the agent only get paid again if Bradberry gets a new deal or extension from the new team or an extension from the Giants?
which means he can't just wait for any team to get an injury because their system might not fit his skill set best.
he is in the same position as the guys who fall out of the green room on draft day. the instinct is to want to go asap no matter who is on the clock but the best thing for him is going to the situation that will set him up best for his next contract.
imo that's vegas. and he'll save a little $ on taxes.
I don't know if going into a conference where you will play Mahommes and Herbert and Wilson six times is really designed to set him up for success. I hate to say it, but Philly seems to be his best bet. They play zone, the QBS in this division are DAK (good), Jones and Wentz (meh). The Eagles have an easy schedule etc. He would have a chance to have a nice season there.
and remember LV just signed JCJ so he wouldn't necessarily be in a role where he's got to be the #1 guy if the matchups aren't favorable. also remember tyreek hill just left the division.
reuniting with Graham in a role that fits his skill set, on a team that's scheduled to have 4 prime time games this year, in a low tax state seems like a good fit for all parties.
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Most of us have done it at some point....
Our entire defense looked good after the first Dallas game in 2020, it was mainly because we played poor quarterbacks. Bradberry is limited. In his next role, he will probably be a CB2, which might suit him better, but this is not superstar or difference maker and that is why the market is probably not very high for him.
I thought the prevailing theory at this point was that there were deals in place however Bradberry was unwilling to restructure his contract, which was a condition of the deal imposed by the trade partners, not the Giants.
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Giants holding onto him past the draft really limited better options for him elsewhere, and despite his excellent 2020 season, teams can play hardball after his significant drop off in 2021.
Our entire defense looked good after the first Dallas game in 2020, it was mainly because we played poor quarterbacks. Bradberry is limited. In his next role, he will probably be a CB2, which might suit him better, but this is not superstar or difference maker and that is why the market is probably not very high for him.
JB and Leo had huge 2020 seasons, let's not minimize two high level performances. The defense dropped off in 2021, largely because either Judge instructed Graham to play it really conservative to protect itself, or Graham chose to. It played into the hands of their opponents and we saw some individual fall off as a result. That said, I felt like there was a bit of slippage in JB's game, be it what I described or a down year, or perhaps lost a 1/2 step. Time will tell.
Yup. The money dried up.
on April 13th the Texans signed Steven Nelson for 2 years 10m, 5m AAV, in a likely pivot off their pursuit of James Bradberry which hit a wall when they were allegedly off in AAV by 5m.
on April 18th the Colts, another team rumored to be after Bradberry, signed Stephon Gilmore for 2 years 20m.
I think James Bradberry thought he was Xavien Howard when in reality the league at large considered him to be more like Nelson and Gilmore.
I think they thought the NYG were bluffing and wouldn't cut him outright, and worst case scenario he'd make his 13.4m this year and get to FA next year year.
Like Logan Ryan in 2020 I think he's going to end up settling for closer to half that amount.
as Schoen said "it's unfortunate". but who knows if he goes out and plays like he did in 2020 he could get himself a big deal next year and it's worth it. that's his gamble.
Bradberry's best game last year was against Kelce, now he'll get that matchup twice. LAC/DEN both have bigger receivers he can play as well in Williams/Sutton.
Bradberry to Cards - ( New Window )
Yeah this is my take as well. Might as well sit out the summer workouts and sign before camp starts.
Since he screwed the Giants in the regard, I'm glad he hit the market "late". Welcome to the business side of the league.
Since he screwed the Giants in the regard, I'm glad he hit the market "late". Welcome to the business side of the league.
Why would his agent care about compensation for the Giants?
Agreed. And the corner position still has high asset value/demand around the league. So, with the inevitable roster cuts, injuries, etc around the league, Bradberry will find work eventually, and at a good price.
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from the teams that had deals in place for him. So not only did he screw himself, he screwed the Giants out of some type of compensation. Seems like his agent is totally in over his head.
Since he screwed the Giants in the regard, I'm glad he hit the market "late". Welcome to the business side of the league.
Why would his agent care about compensation for the Giants?
He obviously doesn’t. That wasn’t the point. The point was as the market dried up, he probably had more money for his client pre draft before teams put resources into the position.
He obviously mis read the market considering he doesn’t have a deal yet. The later in the off-season process we go, the less money/positins available, obviously.
i tend to think they more got out over their skis though because i think i saw some comments from bradberry complaining about the fact that FA money has mostly dried up at this point in the offseason...well...yeah. obviously. did he think there were teams out there waiting to spend big on him after refusing to trade for him on his current deal?
here's an article from a year ago about bradberry's agent that may not end up holding up to the test of time.
Giants’ James Bradberry’s faith in young agent results in great success for both - ( New Window )
I'm sure that's the hold up.
he is in the same position as the guys who fall out of the green room on draft day. the instinct is to want to go asap no matter who is on the clock but the best thing for him is going to the situation that will set him up best for his next contract.
imo that's vegas. and he'll save a little $ on taxes.
i tend to think they more got out over their skis though because i think i saw some comments from bradberry complaining about the fact that FA money has mostly dried up at this point in the offseason...well...yeah. obviously. did he think there were teams out there waiting to spend big on him after refusing to trade for him on his current deal?
here's an article from a year ago about bradberry's agent that may not end up holding up to the test of time. Giants’ James Bradberry’s faith in young agent results in great success for both - ( New Window )
Look at what this kid (Chris Coy, JB's agent) said to a scout for Green Bay (excerpt from the Athletic article linked):
Coy’s greenness was evident when he got connected with a Packers scout through a friend of a friend while in grad school.
It was my first time ever talking to a scout,” Coy said. “The first question out of my mouth was, ‘When you guys do your scouting reports, do you look at Mel Kiper or Todd McShay?’ He was like, ‘Hey, man, I’ll call you back.’ And I never heard from him again. As an independent agent, you don’t have a structure of what’s what.”
No wonder JB got priced out. An example of a player letting his emotions guide him in his business dealings. He should fire this agent imediately.
he is in the same position as the guys who fall out of the green room on draft day. the instinct is to want to go asap no matter who is on the clock but the best thing for him is going to the situation that will set him up best for his next contract.
imo that's vegas. and he'll save a little $ on taxes.
I don't know if going into a conference where you will play Mahommes and Herbert and Wilson six times is really designed to set him up for success. I hate to say it, but Philly seems to be his best bet. They play zone, the QBS in this division are DAK (good), Jones and Wentz (meh). The Eagles have an easy schedule etc. He would have a chance to have a nice season there.
This is assuming the OTA's, mini camps have value.
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maybe he did and they decided they didn't care because the upside of free agency next year was more important than signing any deal they viewed as below market now.
i tend to think they more got out over their skis though because i think i saw some comments from bradberry complaining about the fact that FA money has mostly dried up at this point in the offseason...well...yeah. obviously. did he think there were teams out there waiting to spend big on him after refusing to trade for him on his current deal?
here's an article from a year ago about bradberry's agent that may not end up holding up to the test of time. Giants’ James Bradberry’s faith in young agent results in great success for both - ( New Window )
Look at what this kid (Chris Coy, JB's agent) said to a scout for Green Bay (excerpt from the Athletic article linked):
Coy’s greenness was evident when he got connected with a Packers scout through a friend of a friend while in grad school.
It was my first time ever talking to a scout,” Coy said. “The first question out of my mouth was, ‘When you guys do your scouting reports, do you look at Mel Kiper or Todd McShay?’ He was like, ‘Hey, man, I’ll call you back.’ And I never heard from him again. As an independent agent, you don’t have a structure of what’s what.”
No wonder JB got priced out. An example of a player letting his emotions guide him in his business dealings. He should fire this agent imediately.
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from the teams that had deals in place for him. So not only did he screw himself, he screwed the Giants out of some type of compensation. Seems like his agent is totally in over his head.
Since he screwed the Giants in the regard, I'm glad he hit the market "late". Welcome to the business side of the league.
Why would his agent care about compensation for the Giants?
Doesn’t the agent only get paid again if Bradberry gets a new deal or extension from the new team or an extension from the Giants?
It is mid May where teams are doing OTA.
I don’t think he or his agent are panicking
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which means he can't just wait for any team to get an injury because their system might not fit his skill set best.
he is in the same position as the guys who fall out of the green room on draft day. the instinct is to want to go asap no matter who is on the clock but the best thing for him is going to the situation that will set him up best for his next contract.
imo that's vegas. and he'll save a little $ on taxes.
I don't know if going into a conference where you will play Mahommes and Herbert and Wilson six times is really designed to set him up for success. I hate to say it, but Philly seems to be his best bet. They play zone, the QBS in this division are DAK (good), Jones and Wentz (meh). The Eagles have an easy schedule etc. He would have a chance to have a nice season there.
and remember LV just signed JCJ so he wouldn't necessarily be in a role where he's got to be the #1 guy if the matchups aren't favorable. also remember tyreek hill just left the division.
reuniting with Graham in a role that fits his skill set, on a team that's scheduled to have 4 prime time games this year, in a low tax state seems like a good fit for all parties.
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Sources: Former #Giants Pro Bowl CB James Bradberry has agreed to terms with the #Eagles on a 1-year deal for $10M. A big-time post-draft addition, as Bradberry lands in a perfect spot.