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| TOUCHDOWNS *Opposite of Monday, the Giants conducted most of their team reps outside of the red zone and worked on the intermediate game near midfield. However, they did take a few snaps from close range, and two former Bills connected for a score when Tyrod Taylor found running back Matt Breida in the end zone. "Every year I've got something to prove," Breida said when he signed with the Giants this offseason. "I came into this league undrafted. I guarantee a lot of people didn't think I would be on year six right now, so I'm going to keep going for as long as I'm able to play and allowed to play. I'm blessed every day to play this game. I'm just very fortunate." TAKEAWAYS *Rookie Kayvon Thibodeaux generated the play of the day. The fifth overall draft pick tipped a pass straight up in the air, and safety Xavier McKinney came down with the interception. McKinney, who was tied for the NFL lead among safeties with five interceptions last season, ran the ball down the right sideline. Thibodeaux was asked last week at rookie minicamp about defensive coordinator Wink Martindale turning him loose. "It's all about creating trust," Thibodeaux said. "Once he trusts in me that I know the playbook, and that I'm going to be available every Sunday, that I can live up to those expectations, then I feel he'll be able to cut whoever loose as long as they have that consistency and trust." OTHER TOP PLAYS *Wide receiver David Sills racked up the catches, including the offensive play of the day on a deep reception from Taylor. Sills, who started his career as an undrafted rookie in Buffalo in 2019, is embarking on his fourth season with the Giants. He made his regular-season debut last season, starting one of four games he played. *Rookie wide receiver Wan'Dale Robinson, a second-round draft choice out of Kentucky, was used early and often, catching multiple passes from Daniel Jones on Tuesday. "Just my quickness and my versatility," Robinson said at rookie minicamp about his strengths. "You never really know where I'm going to line up. Just being able to do a lot of different things, a lot of different things with the offense is what I try to do." *Cornerback Adoree' Jackson made plays all over the field today and broke up a handful of passes. *Rookie linebacker Darrian Beavers, a sixth-round draft choice out of Cincinnati, also got a hand on a pass. *Safety Yusuf Corker forced another incompletion after the undrafted rookie out of Kentucky intercepted a pass in his first OTA practice. *Cornerback Darnay Holmes prevented a touchdown and broke up a pass in the end zone. |
Stating the obvious, it seemed like this followed them into the regular season. The chemistry was off.
Shep was his guy and everyone else was way down the list.
But Golladay and Toney- there is no excuse. TWo losers who we signed and drafted respoectively that I wish were nowhere near this team!
Unbelievable. All those guys who WANT to be there and then we have these two primadonnas.....How can we root for these two bums!
Sh**!
I figured the beat trolls would be all over Toney's every move.
There is no media access to the OTAs until Thursday.
The beat reporters have had no idea of Toney's whereabouts this offseason. They only are getting their info from Schoen and Daboll during press conferences.
No Mike Garafolos on the beat now.
He’s been Jones’ main guy, “when healthy.” That’s his biggest issue.
I agree and don't get the criticism at all. Every time I watch him I think of Gumby (because of the Oregon green and bendy-ness)
""It's all about creating trust," Thibodeaux said. "Once he trusts in me that I know the playbook, and that I'm going to be available every Sunday, that I can live up to those expectations, then I feel he'll be able to cut whoever loose as long as they have that consistency and trust."
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Thing about Golladay is I never got the sense last year that Jones and Golladay were on the same page. For one reason or another, they didn't practice much together last spring, and when they did, we kept seeing tweets from reporters saying they weren't connecting.
Stating the obvious, it seemed like this followed them into the regular season. The chemistry was off.
I will agree with this but, I will also add there is a very real possibility that injuries over the last few years have really affected Golladay's play. Bigger WR's can fall off a cliff when they lose that short area quickness and KG might actually be a WR who is already on the back 9 of his career. if so, that contract is far worse than it already looks.
OR,
You’re attempting to evaluate a receiver suffering from poor QB play and a poor offense, garbage in garbage out.
Has Jones ever made a WR look better than he was?
Even his rookie year when we thought there was chemistry between him and Slayton, Eli came in and made Slayton look like an all-pro.
Hopefully not, since they haven't mentioned him in the write-ups.
even players like Cam Flemming and Fackrell were decent signings - likely again bc they were known quantities.
last year 2 of the leagues biggest enigmas were Golladay and Jackson. injury questions, effort questions, and i dont believe any direct connections to the staff. just such a stupid pivot from what worked in 2020.
Not direct connections but Judge had deep ties to NE with Patricia and O'Brien I think was already with the Giants (Galloday). Ryan had played with Jackson a Tennessee and I would not be surprised with the Judge/Ryan connection he pushed him. I am actually interested how he does with Wink as I thought he had some good games last year and this scheme is good for him.
I agree with Eric from BBI about the chemistry between Jones and Galloday. Jones never seems to have the offseason work with the top guys.
Hung Joka be hangin'!
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Thing about Golladay is I never got the sense last year that Jones and Golladay were on the same page. For one reason or another, they didn't practice much together last spring, and when they did, we kept seeing tweets from reporters saying they weren't connecting.
Stating the obvious, it seemed like this followed them into the regular season. The chemistry was off.
I will agree with this but, I will also add there is a very real possibility that injuries over the last few years have really affected Golladay's play. Bigger WR's can fall off a cliff when they lose that short area quickness and KG might actually be a WR who is already on the back 9 of his career. if so, that contract is far worse than it already looks.
OR,
You’re attempting to evaluate a receiver suffering from poor QB play and a poor offense, garbage in garbage out.
Has Jones ever made a WR look better than he was?
Even his rookie year when we thought there was chemistry between him and Slayton, Eli came in and made Slayton look like an all-pro.
To be fair, Slayton had 10, 4 and 6 catches in the three games before Eli started. Then he had 5 and 2 from Eli. He had 2 TDs in the 10 catch game with Jones and 2 in the 5 catch game with Eli. He had a 121 yard game with Jones and a 155 yard game with Eli. The 10 catch game was a win, the 5 catch game was a loss.
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on Kenny Golladay too... haven't seen him and he hasn't been mentioned.
$72 million.
It has the chance to go down as the worst contract we've ever given out.
Nate Solder says hold my beer.
I doubt they get much playing time this year. Schoen did not sign or pick them so there is no pressure to play them.
Once they don't get playing time they will both pout. I don't see them long for this team.
I doubt they get much playing time this year. Schoen did not sign or pick them so there is no pressure to play them.
Once they don't get playing time they will both pout. I don't see them long for this team.
If they are healthy not only will they play, but they’ll dominate the reps.
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They may have talent, but I don't think they have winning attitudes.
I doubt they get much playing time this year. Schoen did not sign or pick them so there is no pressure to play them.
Once they don't get playing time they will both pout. I don't see them long for this team.
If they are healthy not only will they play, but they’ll dominate the reps.
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Shepard has not been much of a factor since his rookie season.
He’s been Jones’ main guy, “when healthy.” That’s his biggest issue.
All I’m saying is you watch them warm up together - get in sync together. It’s Shep not Golloday. Pair that with Garret and inability to throw Golladay the ball into contested catch situations and you’ve got a rift brewing.
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In comment 15711491 Eric from BBI said:
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Thing about Golladay is I never got the sense last year that Jones and Golladay were on the same page. For one reason or another, they didn't practice much together last spring, and when they did, we kept seeing tweets from reporters saying they weren't connecting.
Stating the obvious, it seemed like this followed them into the regular season. The chemistry was off.
I will agree with this but, I will also add there is a very real possibility that injuries over the last few years have really affected Golladay's play. Bigger WR's can fall off a cliff when they lose that short area quickness and KG might actually be a WR who is already on the back 9 of his career. if so, that contract is far worse than it already looks.
OR,
You’re attempting to evaluate a receiver suffering from poor QB play and a poor offense, garbage in garbage out.
Has Jones ever made a WR look better than he was?
Even his rookie year when we thought there was chemistry between him and Slayton, Eli came in and made Slayton look like an all-pro.
To be fair, Slayton had 10, 4 and 6 catches in the three games before Eli started. Then he had 5 and 2 from Eli. He had 2 TDs in the 10 catch game with Jones and 2 in the 5 catch game with Eli. He had a 121 yard game with Jones and a 155 yard game with Eli. The 10 catch game was a win, the 5 catch game was a loss.
So I think you’re trying to say the comparison is splitting hairs. Ok, I won’t dispute that, but imo, Eli didn’t have as much trouble with his vision and finding open receivers. Most of Jones throws to Slayton were contested, my issue is Jones not finding Slayton when he’s wide open like week 8 Tampa 2020.
Yet even though about 80 players are not mentioned on the report, it turns into a bitch session from fans who hate Galloday and Toney who somehow have concluded it as fact that these two players are not there and are not contributing. What about the lack of mention of OL, Barkley or others?
This also isn’t a play by play report. It’s a bunch of guys in shells with no contact- of course guys are blowing it up. For those who played, its just like the two-a-days before the pads go on. The “heroes without pads” put on a show- and vanish when the pads go on.
Not saying that Thibs will disappear, but great plays with no contact are a given.
Also, be careful assuming things. People blew up Toney earlier- yet Daboll himself noted he was there except for the early days. We also NEVER got a reason why he wasn’t there
Threads like this are why the internet sucks sometimes.
In the past two days, the Giants have released about 200 photos from the two OTAs.
We have a pretty good idea who is there.
In the past two days, the Giants have released about 200 photos from the two OTAs.
Right, and Barkley has been mentioned PLENTY
Its just not gonna work.
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Please wake up, rationality is not welcome here. We need to be hyperbolic and incorrigible, always. I mean, can you believe Jones was picked at 6? We should have a chimera of Brady and Rodgers, and nothing less, if picking a QB that high.
But Golladay and Toney- there is no excuse. TWo losers who we signed and drafted respoectively that I wish were nowhere near this team!
Unbelievable. All those guys who WANT to be there and then we have these two primadonnas.....How can we root for these two bums!
He got hurt in week 5 against Dallas and then missed the next 3 games and played limited in 2. Jones then got hurt in week 11
I think a new OC gets him in positions to utilize his strengths.
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.we know which is which
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At least that's actually talking about football.
This hall monitor/taking attendance stuff is the absolute worst. Let the people running the football program do their jobs. People more worried about taking attendance and cutting guys like they're Truant officers.
But not one photo of Toney.
It can’t be a coincidence
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It’s perfectly right to worry deeply about players based on OTAs in May.
At least that's actually talking about football.
This hall monitor/taking attendance stuff is the absolute worst. Let the people running the football program do their jobs. People more worried about taking attendance and cutting guys like they're Truant officers.
This is all I’m saying. If we’re going to trust the new regime, then trust the new regime until they give you actual reasons not to.
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It’s perfectly right to worry deeply about players based on OTAs in May.
At least that's actually talking about football.
This hall monitor/taking attendance stuff is the absolute worst. Let the people running the football program do their jobs. People more worried about taking attendance and cutting guys like they're Truant officers.
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This is all I’m saying. If we’re going to trust the new regime, then trust the new regime until they give you actual reasons not to.
I disagree. It's not about trusting the new regime. There isn't anything they can do about a player not showing up for voluntary activities, and blasting him in the media would be ridiculously counter-productive. So, they put on the best face they can in this situation.
It's about a player's commitment to his team and his craft. It's about showing up even when you don't have to, because that's what serves the team best.
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It’s perfectly right to worry deeply about players based on OTAs in May.
At least that's actually talking about football.
This hall monitor/taking attendance stuff is the absolute worst. Let the people running the football program do their jobs. People more worried about taking attendance and cutting guys like they're Truant officers.
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This is all I’m saying. If we’re going to trust the new regime, then trust the new regime until they give you actual reasons not to.
I disagree. It's not about trusting the new regime.
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It's about a player's commitment to his team and his craft. It's about showing up even when you don't have to, because that's what serves the team best.
BINGO
Especially for a player like Toney. His actions last year around the cleats, injuries, punching an opponent, and his known desire to have a music career are all self-inflicted wounds by Toney.
He has put the microscope on himself and until he shows the coaching staff and fans otherwise, we have every right to think he is not part of the long term solution here
Schoen should have traded Toney for a bag of donuts while he had the chance, instead he held out for the boston creme and set this franchise back further.
Schoen should have traded Toney for a bag of donuts while he had the chance, instead he held out for the boston creme and set this franchise back further.
This is unlikely to win the smartest comment of the day award.
The two guys who didn't show up last year, didn't score a single TD in 2021, might not be consistently showing up for a brand-new coaching staff... and that is not worthy of notice?
OK.
Yeah, it sucks but I don't blame Schoen and Daboll. They didn't pick/sign these guys, and as noted OTAs are voluntary and you don't help the situation by creating controversy. It is what it is, for now.
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mind you, one guy was paid $72 million, and the other guy was the 1st-round pick.
Yeah, it sucks but I don't blame Schoen and Daboll. They didn't pick/sign these guys, and as noted OTAs are voluntary and you don't help the situation by creating controversy. It is what it is, for now.
i blame judge for both. his guy came over from detroit and presumably vouched for golladay, his guy pruitt apparently vouched for toney. hopefully daboll/schoen can find a way to pump and dump.
Schoen should have traded Toney for a bag of donuts while he had the chance, instead he held out for the boston creme and set this franchise back further.
Wow. What a monumentally stupid post. There is nothing, I repeat, nothing that Schoen and Daboll can do about a player not showing up for voluntary activities. The only drum Toney is playing is his own, and it's quite possibly the back beat of a requiem on his future as a Giant. Marching to the beat of his own drum will probably not secure a place for him in the team's long-term plans.
I doubt there was any serious consideration about trading him, and certainly not for a "bag of donuts." He is talented, and while he's here I expect the Giants to take advantage of those talents. I also expect that they won't put up with him any more than they have to. For the time being, he's a Giant. How long he stays a Giant remains to be seen.
The two guys who didn't show up last year, didn't score a single TD in 2021, might not be consistently showing up for a brand-new coaching staff... and that is not worthy of notice?
OK.
Lots of guys didn't show up last year to make 0 touchdowns happen. This didn't occur simply because guy making 72 million didn't care hard enough.
Notice it all you want. Calling for heads over it is a different story. None of these players are here long term anyway.