But I keep reminding myself that Carolina absolutely dominated Boston during the regular season yet was pushed to the brink by them. The Canes outscored the Bruins 16-1 this season, while the aggregate in Rangers-Canes games was 14-10.
I thought we played poorly against Pittsburgh, especially given Crosby's game and a half absence and Domingue playing for most of the series, that I just feel so fortunate to be here. I am kind in the mood of everything is gravy at the moment. I am sure that will change tonight when the puck drops, but can't shake the feeling we are playing with house money (which you never really are in the playoffs).
He played much better the last few games against Pittsburgh, but still not at the level he was at for much of the season.
Besides the breakaway to Rodrigues, which was just weird (in that he went back into the net never thinking Rodriguez could lift he puck) I thought he played as well as he could in game 7. He looked like old Igor.
I also thought the two first period goals in Game 6 really were not his doing as opposed to bad and soft defense. I mean Carter and Rust were basically just hanging out at the edge of the goal/crease like they were on vacation. The breakaway in that game seemed like a goal he should have stopped, but it was Malkin.
I agree with the comments that we're fortunate to be here after a weak
Motte didn't play in any of their games against Carolina this season. His skating should make him much more effective against Carolina than the fourth lines that did play those games.
I mean, where would he even fit? Would they really trot out a line of Motte-Rooney/Goodrow-Blais? They're the best players, for sure, but each of those guys has missed so much time.
Yeah, he's missed over 6 months. Have to wonder about his conditioning and being up to game speed to go out and essentially play vs an opponent who is trying to have a track meet on ice.
Carolina's speed all season. They can win if they slow them down, but they haven't shown they can do that- yet. Playoffs are different!
They have to be able to get out of their zone and get to the NZ. Need to dump in and make them turn their backs and grind it out on the walls to sustain offensive zone time.
....I think the Bruins played tougher in the series versus the regular season (where Carolina dominated) simply because they played each every other night for a week and a half.
And you see this sometimes, as teams start to find and exploit weaknesses that you simply don't exploit in a one and done situation.
Hurricanes were the better team, but Boston did battle. They just couldn't close the gap as a visiting team.
I expect to see the same thing in this series...close and probably 6 or 7.
but this very well could be their toughest series, if they are able to advance. Carolina creates all kinds of problems, but I'm sticking to the fact that Tony, Skjei, and Smith are all liable to make mistakes when under pressure and aside from Smith, are not physical players. Rangers need to punish this team, not try to "match" their speed. I also think the two days off will help guys like Fox and Trouba who have played a ton of minutes get their legs under them.
If Zibanejad and Igor play the way they did in games 6/7, and Fox stops turning the puck over, they will have a real shot at winning this series. I'll say Rangers in 7.
All my old rangers bars from when I used to work at MSG have sucked (Blarney Rock, Blarney Stone). Tir Na Nog is alright but too massive to really have that crowded hockey camaraderie feel.
Honestly, if you're up for it, take the 11 minute PATH train to Hoboken and watch at Black Bear. That's been BY FAR the best Rangers bar I've been do during this run, and it's not even close.
I went to Mustang Harry's before the last game of the regular season
He played much better the last few games against Pittsburgh, but still not at the level he was at for much of the season.
Saw a stat, but haven't verified, that after the 2nd Period throughout the Pens' Series (3rd Period and OTs)--of course, that excludes the games 3 and 4 when he was pulled--Igor's Save % was ~ 98.
dump and forecheck only really impacts puck movers, none of those other guys are puck movers except TDA. They all want you to dump it in and forecheck them.
Slavin can move the puck, but he is also their best two-way D.
The risk of a sell-out forecheck is if the other teams cracks it your forwards need to get back and will wear themselves out.
I think the Rangers should play their game if you understand the cliche you know why players say it all time (F1, F2, F3 like normal like they have practiced for 11 months), not do something different. That's how you get in a spot wondering what the hell happened.
Opportunistic scoring (IOW when you get chances, capitalize on them), tough D, quick neutral zone play/transitions, and Igor has to be on his game.
dump and forecheck only really impacts puck movers, none of those other guys are puck movers except TDA. They all want you to dump it in and forecheck them.
Slavin can move the puck, but he is also their best two-way D.
The risk of a sell-out forecheck is if the other teams cracks it your forwards need to get back and will wear themselves out.
I think the Rangers should play their game if you understand the cliche you know why players say it all time (F1, F2, F3 like normal like they have practiced for 11 months), not do something different. That's how you get in a spot wondering what the hell happened.
Opportunistic scoring (IOW when you get chances, capitalize on them), tough D, quick neutral zone play/transitions, and Igor has to be on his game.
It sounds to me like you are advocating a more carry in approach....basically what Panarin is great at, but couldnt do vs Pitt because they either keyed on it 9r he just made poor plays with the puck. Chytil is pretty good at this as well as Kreider. I tend to agree with this approach. The best way to get to an overly aggressive team is to make them chase which I had always thought to be the achilles heel for the Canes.
Rangers fans watched TDA and Brendan Smith get embarrassed for years by skill now they want the skill guys on the Rangers to dump the puck in on them and forecheck and the reasons given are because the Hurricanes forwards are fast (at least I hope that's the speed being referred to because the Canes D are not fast - TDA and Slavin are their better skaters). Ian Cole and Brett Pesce are the epitome of a stay-at-home defenseman. Skjei is decent two-way player, but I still don't worry about him beating anyone with his speed.
The risk of a sell-out forecheck is if the other teams cracks it your forwards need to get back and will wear themselves out.
But it's worse than 'wear themselves out'. Doofus' approach seems to ignore this fundamental truth:
Against a much worse skating team, aka Pens, the repeated failures of Rangers' forwards to back check in neutral zone, let alone the defensive zone, left wide open ice and Rangers' back lines badly exposed against a lesser skating (albeit vs some more savvy lines) team. Again, put more baldly, Canes are a much better skating team than Pitt. If GG schemes to have his forwards try to hammer Canes' d-men in deep, coming back out it could get very ugly, very fast.
We know 1st line is not good at keeping opponents hemmed in, really only Zib potentially getting back. Kreider almost never. Have you ever seen Kreider take the puck away backchecking?
2nd line is even worse, Copp being the best of a bad bunch.
Best hope is the Kidz, who are trying to play honest two-way, Beware the Turk.
4th line, we don't know how it will be constituted. Rooney, Hunt, Reaves, don't inspire confidence this way. Way too soon for Goodrow, Blais is a ghost; all Hail Motte.
It's been a few years since he was a Ranger so maybe I'm mistaken, but that is how I remember him. Not Paul Coffey or anything, but a strong skater.
This harkens back to "good slater vs. Fast skater for me. Skjei is not THAT fast. But he does tirn and angle well. In my opinion, the opposite is Kreider, who is quite fast but hes not really that great a skater. Kaako lo9ks kinda awkward, but hos balance and ability to sift through the zone is unreal. Chytil might be the best pure skater on the team.
TDA is a very good skater, but isnt that fast. Skjei I put in the same boat.
The Rangers aren't a fast enough team to capitalize on it, though, IMO. This isn't the 2014 or 2015 team that was super fast.
I also think the Hurricanes have an elite structure and have really good defensive forwards which helps them punch above the weight of their defensive talent.
Rangers fans watched TDA and Brendan Smith get embarrassed for years by skill now they want the skill guys on the Rangers to dump the puck in on them and forecheck and the reasons given are because the Hurricanes forwards are fast (at least I hope that's the speed being referred to because the Canes D are not fast - TDA and Slavin are their better skaters). Ian Cole and Brett Pesce are the epitome of a stay-at-home defenseman. Skjei is decent two-way player, but I still don't worry about him beating anyone with his speed.
I don't get it.
There is no Bobby Orr or Dennis Potvin on CAR.
Yea, they really got away from that last round. I dont know if the Pitt 1st liners' speed scared them away from it, but I noticed that they were relying on the dump and chase more than I was used to. Also, Panarin was all thumbs that series. He used to possess the puck all the way inside the blue line before dumping which all but guaranteed a Ranger would be at the other end of it, or he would fire it across ice to a streaking player behind the play fo a great opportunity (Strome feasted on these opps).
I would like to see less frenetic dump and chasing myself.
There were long stretches of the Penguins series where they couldn't string more than two completed passes together. They'd overshoot on passes, they'd fumble the puck, they tried too many low-percentage drop passes and blind passes.
a lot of good points here, really good reading them
re carrying in vs. dumping, playing to their strengths. All valid, but being to cute at the blueline leads to goals against. you have to get it deep rather than force the perfect play. we saw it in game 7 when Chytil, rather than send it deep tried to force a pass across the blue line and it was picked off and led to a goal for PIT. Those are the kind of things that can't happen.
There were long stretches of the Penguins series where they couldn't string more than two completed passes together. They'd overshoot on passes, they'd fumble the puck, they tried too many low-percentage drop passes and blind passes.
BIG TIME....Fox was better than Panarin, but still a far cry from his normal self. He made some really bad outlets in the series. He was ok in the offensive zone though.
I'm just going off of what people are saying here about the speed of
Carolina and their puck moving defensemen. I would definitely dump into D'Angelo's corner. Even if the others aren't as puck moving as him, you're still making their entire team play a 200 ft game by dumping in and hitting them
And no one is saying you do it for every line on every shift on offense
RE: a lot of good points here, really good reading them
re carrying in vs. dumping, playing to their strengths. All valid, but being to cute at the blueline leads to goals against. you have to get it deep rather than force the perfect play. we saw it in game 7 when Chytil, rather than send it deep tried to force a pass across the blue line and it was picked off and led to a goal for PIT. Those are the kind of things that can't happen.
That one play is not a good example. Chytil made a TERRIBLE decision. Carolina is faster top to bottom than the Pens, will beat us to pucks we dump in more often and will kill us in transition.
Just because one play went wrong should not mean we abandon the approach. But that Chytil play, I think I remember him immediately sinking his head and skating back seeming to know he fucked up.
Possess, make them skate, get the goalie moving side to side....thats been our formula all year.
It's been a few years since he was a Ranger so maybe I'm mistaken, but that is how I remember him. Not Paul Coffey or anything, but a strong skater.
This harkens back to "good slater vs. Fast skater for me. Skjei is not THAT fast. But he does tirn and angle well. In my opinion, the opposite is Kreider, who is quite fast but hes not really that great a skater. Kaako lo9ks kinda awkward, but hos balance and ability to sift through the zone is unreal. Chytil might be the best pure skater on the team.
TDA is a very good skater, but isnt that fast. Skjei I put in the same boat.
Kakko is a pretty powerful skater. I also think Laf is a really good skater - I've seen people on HFBoards criticize him for it, but I think he's a lot quicker/faster than people think.
It's been a few years since he was a Ranger so maybe I'm mistaken, but that is how I remember him. Not Paul Coffey or anything, but a strong skater.
This harkens back to "good slater vs. Fast skater for me. Skjei is not THAT fast. But he does tirn and angle well. In my opinion, the opposite is Kreider, who is quite fast but hes not really that great a skater. Kaako lo9ks kinda awkward, but hos balance and ability to sift through the zone is unreal. Chytil might be the best pure skater on the team.
TDA is a very good skater, but isnt that fast. Skjei I put in the same boat.
Kakko is a pretty powerful skater. I also think Laf is a really good skater - I've seen people on HFBoards criticize him for it, but I think he's a lot quicker/faster than people think.
Brett, that line is loaded with skating talent. As you pointed out, Kaako has Jagr like strength while skating non-l8near paths. He also has decent speed, but it is not always apparent because hes bot sudden and quick like Braden Pointe, nor straight line with the ability to shift like a guy like Selanne. Weird to say, but I think he reminds me of a cross between Pavel Datsyuk and Jagr because of his ability to curl and change direction.
Laf is your straight line guy with remarkable start stop ability while maintaining a strong presence on the puck. Chytil reminds me of Kovalev. Not as smooth, and doesnt have the finish game Kovalev had, but man, he is fearless carrying the puck skating faster than everybody else.
Different approaches to skating with differing strengths, but for instance, I would maintain that all 3 of those guys are better skaters than some of the speed demons like Ovechkin, Kariya and Mogilny. I'll probably get killed for saying that, but its my opinion.
Last thing Ill point out RE:the skating discussion
I think TDA is an overrated skater because he backs up or turns away from his opponents waaaaaay too much. Basically runs away with the puck and avoids traffic....a lot.
To put it into perspective, Fox looks to fake out or beat his defender by "mohawking" as Vally puts it and creates room by having dynamic feet that fool his opponent.
DeAngelo likely has more speed, but Fox has better suspension and cornering ability than TDA.
OK. Play aware D, not letting them get behind you. Play tight and strong in front of your net, interfering with their efforts to linger behind one or the other side of it with freedom to dart in front for tip-in or screening purposes. Back check like crazy. On O play closer to their net usual and hope for a rebound now and then (there haver been so few). Get the puck in front of it and shoot, shoot, shoot! LGR!
Really generated some prime scoring chances while limiting Carolina's shots most to the perimeter. Would feel a little better if it were 2 or 3 to zip, but this is solid.
Still sloppy passing and little control of the puck. I have a feeling they're going to start feeling the effects of being deep in their zone a lot so far. Starting to look slower.
You're seeing the NHL version of the Prevent Defense. It rarely works. Raanta could've had a martini back there...especially since Kakko can neither get a shot off nor hit the fucking net.
You're seeing the NHL version of the Prevent Defense. It rarely works. Raanta could've had a martini back there...especially since Kakko can neither get a shot off nor hit the fucking net.
You're seeing the NHL version of the Prevent Defense. It rarely works. Raanta could've had a martini back there...especially since Kakko can neither get a shot off nor hit the fucking net.
It's always a mistake isn't it? How did they allow that to happen?
Lafreniere has been the best Rangers F on the ice tonight
happens. It's unfortunate and he'll bury that 99 times out of 100 but that was unfortunately the one time. The bigger problem was the tying goal no coverage whatsoever by anyone to be there to take away the rebound attempt, that was a lack of effort.
One of these two teams will play in the ECF, but only team I'd rank behind them left is Edmonton.
It's a shame they pissed away this one when it was right there, but still a very winnable series.
He's not going to do shit and his skating is a liability against a fast Hurricanes team. Put in Brod or even Hunt. Reaves is a waste in this series.
And Kakko had two of the best opportunities of the night. One was a wide open net and the other he couldn't even get a fucking shot off. That's sickening.
I’m no hockey expert, but if there’s no offensive player
threatening in front of the net, shouldn’t the defender GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE GOALTENDER’S WAY??!? Guy like that has to know better.
That loss sucked because they should’ve been up 2 or 3 going into the third. Picked a poor time for the return of the David Quinn “Can’t clear the puck out of the zone” Rangers.
The Kids line and Zibby had all of their best chances. It would be nice if someone on that second line showed the fuck up. My patience with Panarin is paper thin.
From Panarin to Copp to Vatrano to Strome. Just a game that really pissed me off. You play well for two periods and then you decide to tighten up and play not to lose. How many shots did we even have in the third? Raanta could've taken a nap back there.
happens. It's unfortunate and he'll bury that 99 times out of 100 but that was unfortunately the one time. The bigger problem was the tying goal no coverage whatsoever by anyone to be there to take away the rebound attempt, that was a lack of effort.
One of these two teams will play in the ECF, but only team I'd rank behind them left is Edmonton.
It's a shame they pissed away this one when it was right there, but still a very winnable series.
Even very good players sometimes blow open net shots like this one. Kakko is very good. The lack of effort looking for a rebound, however, was inexplicable.
Sure, the series can still be won, but they are going to have to play the same sharp way for three good periods, not two.
Sitting on leads and not attacking. It’s absolutely inexcusable.
Can’t attack if you can’t clear the puck out of the zone or get past the red line without turning the puck over.
They weren’t even trying. Throwing pucks 25 feet in the air off clean face off wins at center ice, with the puck in their possession and no defenders around them…. That has to be strategy, they didn’t do it first two periods. Coaches had to have told them not to take any risks an entire 3rd period. I vehemently disagree witht that mindset especially considering how young this team is.
Mook - Carolina isnt the 6th team left in this tournament, cmon now. There’s no metric that says St. Louis is better than them. And I’m certain they’ll go toe to toe with Tampa (or Florida but I think Tampas in a lot of heads by now)
The players did this several times this season, and every time Gallant called them out in the postgame presser. Carolina raised their urgency and intensity and the Rangers didnt respond, then tried to not lose. They stopped skating and didnt meet the raised urgency of Carolina
Kakko was slashed on the hands on that chance he didnt get a shot off, shoulda been a penalty
And on the tying goal Miller did a fly-by of the guy at the point, then stopped skating and watched. Look at the replay
just had a big time mental lapse. Your stick cant be in that position in front of the goalie with no offensive player near you. Simply can't happen, but he was gassed and being physically tired often leads to mental mistakes.
You're probably right about the Blues. I'd still call that series a coin flip if they played but more so because I just haven't been all that impressed by the Hurricanes in these playoffs. They were total dogshit in Boston. Rangers were easily the better team for 2 periods tonight. Carolina was great in the 3rd, but I don't see a stanley cup winner in either the Rangers or Carolina.
Without even thinking twice I'd take Colorado, Florida, Tampa and Calgary over both teams.
these two teams might be the 6th and 7th best teams left in the playoffs.
Not impressed by either one
I'd rank CAR a little higher but I'd point out the gap between the best and worst of these teams is so small. I think COL is a a little ahead of the other seven but the East in particular is super close.
Nice regular season, good talent - but they haven’t been there before and while they made some nice deadline deals, we know as rangers fans those moves rarely have enough time chemistry wise to make a difference
Fully expect Tampa Carolina Calgary and Colorado to advance. No idea who wins of those 4 but I don’t know why Carolina would be ranked below any of them. They are very solid
They should have won tonight - played turtle for some reason in the third period. And Kakko missed a gimme. I can forgive the latter, the former is very concerning especially considering how young this team is - they should relish the moment, who cares if they fuck up.. they learn and grow. They weren’t given that chance tonight because someone decided to neuter them
The players did this several times this season, and every time Gallant called them out in the postgame presser. Carolina raised their urgency and intensity and the Rangers didnt respond, then tried to not lose. They stopped skating and didnt meet the raised urgency of Carolina
Kakko was slashed on the hands on that chance he didnt get a shot off, shoulda been a penalty
And on the tying goal Miller did a fly-by of the guy at the point, then stopped skating and watched. Look at the replay
Top 2 lines were zeroes tonight
You are relentlessly dumb with your posts.
1) That was not a slash on Kaako. If they called that on the Rangers, you would be whining about that
2) Miller was the best defender on the ice for the Rangers tonight....and it wasn't close.
You have never played this game, and it is apparent. Maybe stop talking for a while....or maybe forever.
The players did this several times this season, and every time Gallant called them out in the postgame presser. Carolina raised their urgency and intensity and the Rangers didnt respond, then tried to not lose. They stopped skating and didnt meet the raised urgency of Carolina
Kakko was slashed on the hands on that chance he didnt get a shot off, shoulda been a penalty
And on the tying goal Miller did a fly-by of the guy at the point, then stopped skating and watched. Look at the replay
Top 2 lines were zeroes tonight
You are relentlessly dumb with your posts.
1) That was not a slash on Kaako. If they called that on the Rangers, you would be whining about that
2) Miller was the best defender on the ice for the Rangers tonight....and it wasn't close.
You have never played this game, and it is apparent. Maybe stop talking for a while....or maybe forever.
It was a clear slash on Kakko, the guy's stick whacked Kakko on the hands
Miller had good moments, which I posted about. But he was really bad on the tying goal
You are the dumbass telling us during Game 7 that the Rangers should trade Panarin, that you would rather keep Copp and Vatrano instead of Panarin
The players did this several times this season, and every time Gallant called them out in the postgame presser. Carolina raised their urgency and intensity and the Rangers didnt respond, then tried to not lose. They stopped skating and didnt meet the raised urgency of Carolina
Kakko was slashed on the hands on that chance he didnt get a shot off, shoulda been a penalty
And on the tying goal Miller did a fly-by of the guy at the point, then stopped skating and watched. Look at the replay
Top 2 lines were zeroes tonight
You are relentlessly dumb with your posts.
1) That was not a slash on Kaako. If they called that on the Rangers, you would be whining about that
2) Miller was the best defender on the ice for the Rangers tonight....and it wasn't close.
You have never played this game, and it is apparent. Maybe stop talking for a while....or maybe forever.
It was a clear slash on Kakko, the guy's stick whacked Kakko on the hands
Miller had good moments, which I posted about. But he was really bad on the tying goal
You are the dumbass telling us during Game 7 that the Rangers should trade Panarin, that you would rather keep Copp and Vatrano instead of Panarin
You are an idiot
No, I never said I thought that they should trade him. I said I would listen mostly because of the financial bind we are about to be in with new contracts coming up. Which is actually how teams stay ahead of cap issues. So YOU'RE dumb.
What else did Panarin do in that series that justifies 10 mill a year that was better than what Miller has done as a 22 year old?
That "slash" while technically was a slash would have been VERY ticky tack if called on the Rangers. But I could understand your not understanding that.
I'm an idiot? You routinely show up on threads where EVERYBODY calls you out for saying stupid things and then make the dumbest takes about hockey, and then call other people idiots.
Hey IDIOT, did you see what happened when the Rangers played dump and chase tonight?????
Again, I get that you know very little about hockey other than what Barry Melrose has barked at you for years, but you have been DEAD WRONG about every aspect of the Rangers play, have called out other posters as being whiny when you lend zero insight to the conversation.
Sure, lets dump and chase to a faster team and limit Miller's minutes. Lmao. What a joke.
The players did this several times this season, and every time Gallant called them out in the postgame presser. Carolina raised their urgency and intensity and the Rangers didnt respond, then tried to not lose. They stopped skating and didnt meet the raised urgency of Carolina
Kakko was slashed on the hands on that chance he didnt get a shot off, shoulda been a penalty
And on the tying goal Miller did a fly-by of the guy at the point, then stopped skating and watched. Look at the replay
Top 2 lines were zeroes tonight
You are relentlessly dumb with your posts.
1) That was not a slash on Kaako. If they called that on the Rangers, you would be whining about that
2) Miller was the best defender on the ice for the Rangers tonight....and it wasn't close.
You have never played this game, and it is apparent. Maybe stop talking for a while....or maybe forever.
It was a clear slash on Kakko, the guy's stick whacked Kakko on the hands
Miller had good moments, which I posted about. But he was really bad on the tying goal
You are the dumbass telling us during Game 7 that the Rangers should trade Panarin, that you would rather keep Copp and Vatrano instead of Panarin
You are an idiot
No, I never said I thought that they should trade him. I said I would listen mostly because of the financial bind we are about to be in with new contracts coming up. Which is actually how teams stay ahead of cap issues. So YOU'RE dumb.
What else did Panarin do in that series that justifies 10 mill a year that was better than what Miller has done as a 22 year old?
That "slash" while technically was a slash would have been VERY ticky tack if called on the Rangers. But I could understand your not understanding that.
I'm an idiot? You routinely show up on threads where EVERYBODY calls you out for saying stupid things and then make the dumbest takes about hockey, and then call other people idiots.
Hey IDIOT, did you see what happened when the Rangers played dump and chase tonight?????
Again, I get that you know very little about hockey other than what Barry Melrose has barked at you for years, but you have been DEAD WRONG about every aspect of the Rangers play, have called out other posters as being whiny when you lend zero insight to the conversation.
Sure, lets dump and chase to a faster team and limit Miller's minutes. Lmao. What a joke.
And when I ask what I have been wrong about, no one responds
And I have been right about Miller and the Rangers play. Not my fault you cant keep up. And now you try to backtrack on your Panarin stupidity
You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how amazingly clueless it is
Literally, nobody takes anything you say seriously yet you make it seem like you are right all the time. Everything I have read and heard contradicts your asinine hatred for Miller. Every single stat and critic of the game has said the same thing I have about Panarin.
But you know better. You challenged my knowledge of the game yet I KNOW I have played the game longer and at a higher level than you have. Some of the most respected hockey posters on this site have contradicted your "dump and chase" theory as the best way to win this series and yet you plod on in your oblivious dream of self importance on a message board by talking down to people who obviously know a lot more about the sport than you do, and in doing so, resort to calling them names....even despite being wrong on virtually all of them.
I amturning the page and am now completely done engaging with you because you are not qorth my time nor energy to spell out the fairly obvious.
that I mentioned the dump and chase because posters here were saying Carolina's D was a fast, puck moving D. And in fact the Rangers had their success tonight playing straight line, north-south hockey
Again, you are wrong on Miller, but thats your opinion. You think you know more about hockey because you played in high school? I didnt play in high school, but I was a hockey play-by-play man for 12 years, a coach of various sports for 30 years, a PE teacher for 15 years, and a sportscaster for 25 years - including 11 years at national sportsradio networks. I know far more about sports than you do
You sound like the twitter idiots who kept telling me Quinn was right in having his D back into the goalie's lap, that they played hockey and were taught to never stand up at the blue line. Gallant gets here and the first thing the D does is start standing up at the blue line
You have your opinions, like saying the Rangers should keep Copp and Vatrano instead of Panarin, and I have mine. Move on
I have to agree with Frank here. Your constant harping on K'Andre is very odd.
Excuse me? Mr overreation is chiming in? Miller is bad in his own zone and doesnt play with the needed urgency and intensity in the playoffs. You think it was ok that he didnt even try to stop Malkin on his breakaway? And gave a crappy, regular season game in November effort on the next breakaway goal? His two hits tonight on the one shift I applauded on this thread. Unfortunately those were his first hits of the playoffs. I react to dumbasses who say Miller is playing so well
Anak.... Dont waste your time. Im trying to keep it civil, but his posts are so poorly informed, supported and dumb that I really cant take them seriously any more.
Dump and chase! Kill Miller!
THEY DIDN'T GET POSITIVE RESULTS WITH DUMP AND CHASE!!!!!
They scored their goal and got the best opportunities with 2 or 3 guys entering the zone and moving the puck. They dumped (cycled) at the end of shifts!
Truth told, neither of the top 2 lines really did anything with the puck outside of firing the puck into congested paths to the net and were subsequently repelled. I don't know what the game is you are watching, but we were trying to carry in the whole game! Difference is, the KIDS were the only successful ones at it. Line 1 was in La La land again. Line 2 relies on Panarin and it wasnt him really spearheading it, although he got the puck to Copp a few times (Strome looked drunk) and the 4th line had some success with the dump because Motte was all over the place.
That was the game plan theough 2 periods. Period 3, they tried to hack and chase and got beaten to almost every puck.
Keep up the good work Brockmire. Ugh. Just disappear
Why do you think so many people posted praise for Miller
The players did this several times this season, and every time Gallant called them out in the postgame presser. Carolina raised their urgency and intensity and the Rangers didnt respond, then tried to not lose. They stopped skating and didnt meet the raised urgency of Carolina
Kakko was slashed on the hands on that chance he didnt get a shot off, shoulda been a penalty
And on the tying goal Miller did a fly-by of the guy at the point, then stopped skating and watched. Look at the replay
Top 2 lines were zeroes tonight
Yep, Miller had no business being in that position. Trouba took his own man and if Miller hadn’t floated into no man’s land up near the blue line that goal doesn’t happen.!
The play never should have happened. Trouba panicks to flip the puck out of the zone. Panarin and Copp are in the NZ. Panarin did not skate back hard enough.
But Trouba had PLENTY of room to carry the puck out of the corner. The defender was probably 8-10 feet away from him up near the blue line.
Is brutal to watch. Absolutely brutal, Panarin and Strome are terrible on the forecheck and Copp is the only forechecking presence on the line. This trio are the ones who seem to consistently get hemmed in their defensive zone and cannot get out.
I like what Gallant did with the lines last night. Rolled all four consistently. The bottom six was better than the top six. I thought the Rangers moved the puck very well to get through the NZ. They employed some different strategies to move guys around and get the space they needed to get through.
It’s on Panarin and Zibby not busting it back. If they get back, Trouba never has to come off of Aho in the first place.
I think there's blame to go around on that one but Panarin needed to hustle back once Miller chased the puck. He may have been able to prevent the rebound shot that went in.
two periods the Rangers played an near perfect game.
It was not a sell out forecehck. It was what I thought they would do, focus in the d-zone on clogging up the middle - and if there was a sell out anywhere it was in the d-zone, no second chances for CAR and all the shots were from the outside without a lot of traffic in front. Very few high danger or even low danger scoring chances.
Quick through the neutral zone and the NYR scoring chances were mostly on the rush.
Kakko obviously missed a couple, Chytil missed a gimme, but that line was flying.
I'm not sure what changed in the 3rd. Of course CAR deserves a little credit. It looked like a pre-season game for them in the 1st two periods and they were fortunate Raanta kept it a one goal game.
As others have pointed out the Rangers looked like their plan in the 3rd period was to run out the clock (WTF?) with flips out to the neutral zone, no more feet moving in the d-zone, no breakout, no zip in the neutral zone. Some of that is dictated by CAR but not all of it. I would like to hear what Gallant has to say.
I think the Kakko slash/hook could have been called, it often is, but I have no real issue with it as a no-call - it would have been a weak penalty but like I said it's often called, I thought the refs were fine.
Lost opportunity IMO, but I still think think the Rangers win the series.
I thought the defense played higher up than they did against Pit which helped deny zone entries. They played a good game in the neutral zone, as you said, pj.
I think the forwards were a million times better on the backcheck. There were a few goals last series where the Penguins walked the blue line upon zone entry, which shouldn't happen if the forwards are back.
I thought the defense played higher up than they did against Pit which helped deny zone entries. They played a good game in the neutral zone, as you said, pj.
I think the forwards were a million times better on the backcheck. There were a few goals last series where the Penguins walked the blue line upon zone entry, which shouldn't happen if the forwards are back.
exactly and then in the 3rd the whole team relaxed and allowed easy entries and basically turned pucks over. Not sure why, were they gassed? or was that an actual plan?
You know who had a rough game was TDA. holy shit he was bad.
If it were called, it would be a defensible call by the letter of the law, but the contact really was pretty minor. It's not something that will generally be called in the playoffs, and as we saw, the refs clearly did not intend to call a tight game. Sucks for us but I can't honestly say it was an outrage or anything. The only really blatant no call I can remember was the crosscheck on Motte in the first, and since it was away from the play, it's plausible that the refs didn't see it.
I think the third probably was a bit of being gassed and a bit of strategy. They did look a bit tired in being beaten to loose pucks consistently, but they also made little attempt to break out when they did gain possession in their own end. Just kept flipping the puck out over and over as if they were killing a penalty all period long. It is always frustrating when a team plays well and gets a lead, and then stops doing the things that got them the lead in the first place. Why go away from what was working?
Glass half full - the Rangers proved that they can play with Carolina if they play the way they did the first two periods. They missed some opportunities that would have won the game that they should bury next time. Lost on a fluky deflection by their own defenseman, tough break.
Glass half empty - when Carolina cranked up the intensity, the Rangers couldn't match. Canes hit three posts in the third - this could have easily. Carolina is unlikely to play so passively in Game 2. Rangers missed a golden opportunity to swipe home ice.
Greg, more glass half full stuff - is the Lafreniere post hit, and the misses by Kakko and Chytil (no idea how Chytil didn't lift that it didn't look like the puck was on edge or anything).
Also, I don't expect Raanta to play that well every game.
Greg, more glass half full stuff - is the Lafreniere post hit, and the misses by Kakko and Chytil (no idea how Chytil didn't lift that it didn't look like the puck was on edge or anything).
Also, I don't expect Raanta to play that well every game.
Third line seems extremely comfortable out there. It feels like it's all coming naturally to the three of them. They seem to do less thinking and just trust their instincts and make things happen.
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It's still exciting to see Laf developing before our eyes. His game has really taken a big step forward over the last six weeks or so, and you can really see the talent shining through.
It's still exciting to see Laf developing before our eyes. His game has really taken a big step forward over the last six weeks or so, and you can really see the talent shining through.
Yes! And a little puck luck and he puts them up 2-0 last night. Clanked one off the crossbar/post corner.
It's still exciting to see Laf developing before our eyes. His game has really taken a big step forward over the last six weeks or so, and you can really see the talent shining through.
I agree, Lafreniere has been excellent in these playoffs, and I think Chytil and Kakko (despite his empty net miss) have really made the most of this playoff opportunity and showed that they are definitely part of the plan going forward. I'd like to see that line go from 13 minutes to at least 15. They've been the most consistent line for the Rangers through 8 playoff games, and have been far superior to the second line which has really just been awful. I'm not sure if there is something wrong physically with Panarin or if Pittsburgh and Carolina are just playing him in a way where he has no space. It's been frustrating watching him not only be a non-factor, but a liability at times.
honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to learn he's playing through injury
Remember 2012? Gaborik did very little in the postseason and was getting slammed the way Panarin is now. Turned out that he was playing through a shoulder injury that required surgery after the season ended.
that Panarin is playing through something. Of course, who isn't at this time of the year. But remember he left one of the last games of the regular season injured.
Also doesn't help that he's playing with Strome. The guy is just out for a leisurely skate out there. Hardly makes any impact. Will be happy to see him move on. Panarin carries a heavy burden to create for that line. But I thought the entire top 6 was pretty poor. Need more consistency from those guys, not just when their backs are against the wall.
The Kakko miss was bad. But that line was easily their most productive. Kakko could have had a few assists already by that point. I can forgive the miss, shit happens. They need more consistent help.
yes, I have progressed to actively hating Strome now
They have $7.3mm of cap space next year according to capFriendly. Have a couple RFAs and need to fill a few roster spots. The $3.4mm in dead cap space is killer. I don't know how we meaningfully improve there.
It's still exciting to see Laf developing before our eyes. His game has really taken a big step forward over the last six weeks or so, and you can really see the talent shining through.
Seconded. I love how tough he is, willing to take and give the hits and I really love how annoyed he was with last night's loss, slamming his stick on the boards. He's also got a lethal shot. More playing time means more shots means more goals. He will score 30 next year.
RE: RE: yes, I have progressed to actively hating Strome now
They have $7.3mm of cap space next year according to capFriendly. Have a couple RFAs and need to fill a few roster spots. The $3.4mm in dead cap space is killer. I don't know how we meaningfully improve there.
I'm not very good at this with hockey, but I think it's a little bit higher than that. I believe the cap is going to be $82.5M, and the $75M-ish number that you added up to has a slew of AHL two-way contracts in it.
So, between Pajuniemi, Hunt, Brodzinski, Jones, Lundqvist, Robertson I would think there's at least another $3-4M.
But your point is still right on, considering that there's also no backup goalie, Kakko, or Blais in the number yet, let alone the potentially desirable UFAs like Copp, Vatrano, Motte.
I think they could be starting as high as $12M space if they wisely attach a pick or prospect to move Nemeth.
That's just spitballing with some numbers that would appear to be very team-friendly, and that still puts them over, and still a forward or two light numbers wise.
So they have some wood to chop for sure.
RE: RE: yes, I have progressed to actively hating Strome now
They have $7.3mm of cap space next year according to capFriendly. Have a couple RFAs and need to fill a few roster spots. The $3.4mm in dead cap space is killer. I don't know how we meaningfully improve there.
Should have traded Kravtsov for a young-ish C. Still should trade his rights.
The good news is the Rangers don't have any bad contracts or obviously bad contracts that you say need to be bought out or salary dumped.
You could argue they have some overpays, but otherwise they have good players who they pay good money to.
RE: RE: RE: yes, I have progressed to actively hating Strome now
They have $7.3mm of cap space next year according to capFriendly. Have a couple RFAs and need to fill a few roster spots. The $3.4mm in dead cap space is killer. I don't know how we meaningfully improve there.
I'm not very good at this with hockey, but I think it's a little bit higher than that. I believe the cap is going to be $82.5M, and the $75M-ish number that you added up to has a slew of AHL two-way contracts in it.
So, between Pajuniemi, Hunt, Brodzinski, Jones, Lundqvist, Robertson I would think there's at least another $3-4M.
But your point is still right on, considering that there's also no backup goalie, Kakko, or Blais in the number yet, let alone the potentially desirable UFAs like Copp, Vatrano, Motte.
I think they could be starting as high as $12M space if they wisely attach a pick or prospect to move Nemeth.
That's just spitballing with some numbers that would appear to be very team-friendly, and that still puts them over, and still a forward or two light numbers wise.
So they have some wood to chop for sure.
Thanks, I was just going off CapFriendly. I don't follow the cap all that closely.
I am not 100% sure on how LTIR works with regards to timing (off season), but if he can go on LTIR right away and the Rangers do this they basically get 4 years of an extra $7.8M each year on the cap (assuming Weber never plays again) and it only costs them a total of $6M in cash (not per year, total).
I am not 100% sure on how LTIR works with regards to timing (off season), but if he can go on LTIR right away and the Rangers do this they basically get 4 years of an extra $7.8M each year on the cap (assuming Weber never plays again) and it only costs them a total of $6M in cash (not per year, total).
Not quite seeing how acquiring a LTIR guy like Weber helps a cap team like the Rangers. LTIR guys where their cap hit is higher than their salary are usually ideal for floor teams (Coyotes). Rangers are spending that $7.8 mil anyways.
contracts count toward the cap, how are you getting rid of those contracts without replacing the player on the NHL roster?
two way contracts below $1.5M total do not count toward the cap while the player is in the AHL.
so, those guys are all either reducing the number of players they need to acquire, or they aren't on the cap.
Out of the players I listed, At least 4 of them will be in the AHL. So that's the low end $3M number i cited.
you have off-season and in-season cap hits.
Off-season I believe they all two-way contracts count as NHL contracts.
in-season it gets reduced if they are sent down
I might be wrong, but this is how I think it works
I don't disagree with any of this (not saying it's correct, but it's not in conflict with my very limited understanding).
But in the offseason I believe you're allowed to be up to 10% over the cap. So the two-way contracts for players who you project to be in the AHL are never really knee-capping you.
At the end of the day, for NYR I think all roads point to something like $11M available to do a bunch of thing, which isn't a lot.
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I am also unsure of Anderson's status.
Besides the breakaway to Rodrigues, which was just weird (in that he went back into the net never thinking Rodriguez could lift he puck) I thought he played as well as he could in game 7. He looked like old Igor.
I also thought the two first period goals in Game 6 really were not his doing as opposed to bad and soft defense. I mean Carter and Rust were basically just hanging out at the edge of the goal/crease like they were on vacation. The breakaway in that game seemed like a goal he should have stopped, but it was Malkin.
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I mean, where would he even fit? Would they really trot out a line of Motte-Rooney/Goodrow-Blais? They're the best players, for sure, but each of those guys has missed so much time.
Yeah, he's missed over 6 months. Have to wonder about his conditioning and being up to game speed to go out and essentially play vs an opponent who is trying to have a track meet on ice.
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They have to be able to get out of their zone and get to the NZ. Need to dump in and make them turn their backs and grind it out on the walls to sustain offensive zone time.
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And you see this sometimes, as teams start to find and exploit weaknesses that you simply don't exploit in a one and done situation.
Hurricanes were the better team, but Boston did battle. They just couldn't close the gap as a visiting team.
I expect to see the same thing in this series...close and probably 6 or 7.
Always plenty of room at Brettsky's
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If Zibanejad and Igor play the way they did in games 6/7, and Fox stops turning the puck over, they will have a real shot at winning this series. I'll say Rangers in 7.
Honestly, if you're up for it, take the 11 minute PATH train to Hoboken and watch at Black Bear. That's been BY FAR the best Rangers bar I've been do during this run, and it's not even close.
Highly recommend over the usual places.
Saw a stat, but haven't verified, that after the 2nd Period throughout the Pens' Series (3rd Period and OTs)--of course, that excludes the games 3 and 4 when he was pulled--Igor's Save % was ~ 98.
Its been this way for years and years
Its been this way for years and years
yup. the Fred Shero "wear out Denis Potvin" method from 1979
-Hopefully Shesterkin can gain some momentum from the Game 7 win and show signs of the Vezina form he had during the reguar season.
-Canes play fast and aggressive in all 3 zones, so it's gonna be tough
-Would like to see less cute passes and more shots.
But, what the hell do I know. Gut says 'Canes in 7. Heart says Rangers in 6.
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The way you slow them down is soft dump-ins to the corners and punish their defense into the boards. Make them play a 200 foot game
Its been this way for years and years
yup. the Fred Shero "wear out Denis Potvin" method from 1979
Which is the exact example I used, along with Shero doing it to Bobby Orr in the earlier '70s
The key is dumping it in softly and never missing an opportunity to hit them
dump and forecheck only really impacts puck movers, none of those other guys are puck movers except TDA. They all want you to dump it in and forecheck them.
Slavin can move the puck, but he is also their best two-way D.
The risk of a sell-out forecheck is if the other teams cracks it your forwards need to get back and will wear themselves out.
I think the Rangers should play their game if you understand the cliche you know why players say it all time (F1, F2, F3 like normal like they have practiced for 11 months), not do something different. That's how you get in a spot wondering what the hell happened.
Opportunistic scoring (IOW when you get chances, capitalize on them), tough D, quick neutral zone play/transitions, and Igor has to be on his game.
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The way you slow them down is soft dump-ins to the corners and punish their defense into the boards. Make them play a 200 foot game
Its been this way for years and years
yup. the Fred Shero "wear out Denis Potvin" method from 1979
Which is the exact example I used, along with Shero doing it to Bobby Orr in the earlier '70s
The key is dumping it in softly and never missing an opportunity to hit them
Exactly. No fucking around at the blue line. Get it deep and pound them.
dump and forecheck only really impacts puck movers, none of those other guys are puck movers except TDA. They all want you to dump it in and forecheck them.
Slavin can move the puck, but he is also their best two-way D.
The risk of a sell-out forecheck is if the other teams cracks it your forwards need to get back and will wear themselves out.
I think the Rangers should play their game if you understand the cliche you know why players say it all time (F1, F2, F3 like normal like they have practiced for 11 months), not do something different. That's how you get in a spot wondering what the hell happened.
Opportunistic scoring (IOW when you get chances, capitalize on them), tough D, quick neutral zone play/transitions, and Igor has to be on his game.
It sounds to me like you are advocating a more carry in approach....basically what Panarin is great at, but couldnt do vs Pitt because they either keyed on it 9r he just made poor plays with the puck. Chytil is pretty good at this as well as Kreider. I tend to agree with this approach. The best way to get to an overly aggressive team is to make them chase which I had always thought to be the achilles heel for the Canes.
I don't get it.
There is no Bobby Orr or Dennis Potvin on CAR.
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But it's worse than 'wear themselves out'. Doofus' approach seems to ignore this fundamental truth:
Against a much worse skating team, aka Pens, the repeated failures of Rangers' forwards to back check in neutral zone, let alone the defensive zone, left wide open ice and Rangers' back lines badly exposed against a lesser skating (albeit vs some more savvy lines) team. Again, put more baldly, Canes are a much better skating team than Pitt. If GG schemes to have his forwards try to hammer Canes' d-men in deep, coming back out it could get very ugly, very fast.
We know 1st line is not good at keeping opponents hemmed in, really only Zib potentially getting back. Kreider almost never. Have you ever seen Kreider take the puck away backchecking?
2nd line is even worse, Copp being the best of a bad bunch.
Best hope is the Kidz, who are trying to play honest two-way, Beware the Turk.
4th line, we don't know how it will be constituted. Rooney, Hunt, Reaves, don't inspire confidence this way. Way too soon for Goodrow, Blais is a ghost; all Hail Motte.
he is a fine skater, but not one I change the way my team has practiced all year to make sure we can handle him.
This harkens back to "good slater vs. Fast skater for me. Skjei is not THAT fast. But he does tirn and angle well. In my opinion, the opposite is Kreider, who is quite fast but hes not really that great a skater. Kaako lo9ks kinda awkward, but hos balance and ability to sift through the zone is unreal. Chytil might be the best pure skater on the team.
TDA is a very good skater, but isnt that fast. Skjei I put in the same boat.
I also think the Hurricanes have an elite structure and have really good defensive forwards which helps them punch above the weight of their defensive talent.
I don't get it.
There is no Bobby Orr or Dennis Potvin on CAR.
Yea, they really got away from that last round. I dont know if the Pitt 1st liners' speed scared them away from it, but I noticed that they were relying on the dump and chase more than I was used to. Also, Panarin was all thumbs that series. He used to possess the puck all the way inside the blue line before dumping which all but guaranteed a Ranger would be at the other end of it, or he would fire it across ice to a streaking player behind the play fo a great opportunity (Strome feasted on these opps).
I would like to see less frenetic dump and chasing myself.
BIG TIME....Fox was better than Panarin, but still a far cry from his normal self. He made some really bad outlets in the series. He was ok in the offensive zone though.
And no one is saying you do it for every line on every shift on offense
That one play is not a good example. Chytil made a TERRIBLE decision. Carolina is faster top to bottom than the Pens, will beat us to pucks we dump in more often and will kill us in transition.
Just because one play went wrong should not mean we abandon the approach. But that Chytil play, I think I remember him immediately sinking his head and skating back seeming to know he fucked up.
Possess, make them skate, get the goalie moving side to side....thats been our formula all year.
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It's been a few years since he was a Ranger so maybe I'm mistaken, but that is how I remember him. Not Paul Coffey or anything, but a strong skater.
This harkens back to "good slater vs. Fast skater for me. Skjei is not THAT fast. But he does tirn and angle well. In my opinion, the opposite is Kreider, who is quite fast but hes not really that great a skater. Kaako lo9ks kinda awkward, but hos balance and ability to sift through the zone is unreal. Chytil might be the best pure skater on the team.
TDA is a very good skater, but isnt that fast. Skjei I put in the same boat.
Kakko is a pretty powerful skater. I also think Laf is a really good skater - I've seen people on HFBoards criticize him for it, but I think he's a lot quicker/faster than people think.
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It's been a few years since he was a Ranger so maybe I'm mistaken, but that is how I remember him. Not Paul Coffey or anything, but a strong skater.
This harkens back to "good slater vs. Fast skater for me. Skjei is not THAT fast. But he does tirn and angle well. In my opinion, the opposite is Kreider, who is quite fast but hes not really that great a skater. Kaako lo9ks kinda awkward, but hos balance and ability to sift through the zone is unreal. Chytil might be the best pure skater on the team.
TDA is a very good skater, but isnt that fast. Skjei I put in the same boat.
Kakko is a pretty powerful skater. I also think Laf is a really good skater - I've seen people on HFBoards criticize him for it, but I think he's a lot quicker/faster than people think.
Brett, that line is loaded with skating talent. As you pointed out, Kaako has Jagr like strength while skating non-l8near paths. He also has decent speed, but it is not always apparent because hes bot sudden and quick like Braden Pointe, nor straight line with the ability to shift like a guy like Selanne. Weird to say, but I think he reminds me of a cross between Pavel Datsyuk and Jagr because of his ability to curl and change direction.
Laf is your straight line guy with remarkable start stop ability while maintaining a strong presence on the puck. Chytil reminds me of Kovalev. Not as smooth, and doesnt have the finish game Kovalev had, but man, he is fearless carrying the puck skating faster than everybody else.
Different approaches to skating with differing strengths, but for instance, I would maintain that all 3 of those guys are better skaters than some of the speed demons like Ovechkin, Kariya and Mogilny. I'll probably get killed for saying that, but its my opinion.
To put it into perspective, Fox looks to fake out or beat his defender by "mohawking" as Vally puts it and creates room by having dynamic feet that fool his opponent.
DeAngelo likely has more speed, but Fox has better suspension and cornering ability than TDA.
Was that a penalty for that hit on Motte that they missed? Blind side, stick up?
Was that a penalty for that hit on Motte that they missed? Blind side, stick up?
Yes that was a textbook crosscheck
Chytil had to finish that gimme. Ugh.
Kid line is playing terrific. And Shesty looks locked in.
Structure and discipline. What the fuck happened in round one?!
About time! Awesome stuff!
Look at Miller throwing his weight around! Nice
Thats how Miller needs to play!!
Superior play!
Really should be up 2 or 3.
Really should be up 2 or 3.
For me: It's not when the third pair is out there, it's when the third pair is out there with the fourth line. Bad combo.
Without any threat of real attack, defense can falter. They have to get a bit more aggressive handling of the puck and getting shots in the other end.
Lol..."Good non call'....my ass.
I don’t hnderstand the hope and pray strategy this period at all
Kakko with another poor play. Cmon - wake up guys.
Only one who apparently isn't afraid to push the puck up ice
And this weirdo strategy
Fucking ridiculous.
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And this weirdo strategy
You're seeing the NHL version of the Prevent Defense. It rarely works. Raanta could've had a martini back there...especially since Kakko can neither get a shot off nor hit the fucking net.
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And this weirdo strategy
You're seeing the NHL version of the Prevent Defense. It rarely works. Raanta could've had a martini back there...especially since Kakko can neither get a shot off nor hit the fucking net.
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I’m gonna be furious at Kakko
And this weirdo strategy
You're seeing the NHL version of the Prevent Defense. It rarely works. Raanta could've had a martini back there...especially since Kakko can neither get a shot off nor hit the fucking net.
It's always a mistake isn't it? How did they allow that to happen?
If I had to pick which Ranger will in OT it’s Laffy
Where was Miller going? He was exiting the zone on a Canes rush.
Disgusting. This is a game we should of had.
Played like pussies in the 3rd. My guess is it’s 0-2 after Friday
Lindgren literally played that puck like he was kreider posted up in front on the power play, what the fuck
It didn’t have to be their way either tonight—just heartbreaking
Not impressed by either one
And what the fuck was that lame chant at the end?
Seriously. He was playing offense there. The hell was that?
Kakko played a strong game in the first two periods but he picked a horrible time to develop Ryan Strome Disease
After the series they must went through and then blowing this game, wouldn't be a surprise at all.
$&@!
One of these two teams will play in the ECF, but only team I'd rank behind them left is Edmonton.
It's a shame they pissed away this one when it was right there, but still a very winnable series.
And Kakko had two of the best opportunities of the night. One was a wide open net and the other he couldn't even get a fucking shot off. That's sickening.
That loss sucked because they should’ve been up 2 or 3 going into the third. Picked a poor time for the return of the David Quinn “Can’t clear the puck out of the zone” Rangers.
The Kids line and Zibby had all of their best chances. It would be nice if someone on that second line showed the fuck up. My patience with Panarin is paper thin.
Can’t attack if you can’t clear the puck out of the zone or get past the red line without turning the puck over.
One of these two teams will play in the ECF, but only team I'd rank behind them left is Edmonton.
It's a shame they pissed away this one when it was right there, but still a very winnable series.
Even very good players sometimes blow open net shots like this one. Kakko is very good. The lack of effort looking for a rebound, however, was inexplicable.
Sure, the series can still be won, but they are going to have to play the same sharp way for three good periods, not two.
Three of them were non existent and Panarin was only noticeable for the wrong reasons.
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Sitting on leads and not attacking. It’s absolutely inexcusable.
Can’t attack if you can’t clear the puck out of the zone or get past the red line without turning the puck over.
They weren’t even trying. Throwing pucks 25 feet in the air off clean face off wins at center ice, with the puck in their possession and no defenders around them…. That has to be strategy, they didn’t do it first two periods. Coaches had to have told them not to take any risks an entire 3rd period. I vehemently disagree witht that mindset especially considering how young this team is.
Mook - Carolina isnt the 6th team left in this tournament, cmon now. There’s no metric that says St. Louis is better than them. And I’m certain they’ll go toe to toe with Tampa (or Florida but I think Tampas in a lot of heads by now)
Kakko was slashed on the hands on that chance he didnt get a shot off, shoulda been a penalty
And on the tying goal Miller did a fly-by of the guy at the point, then stopped skating and watched. Look at the replay
Top 2 lines were zeroes tonight
Without even thinking twice I'd take Colorado, Florida, Tampa and Calgary over both teams.
Not impressed by either one
I'd rank CAR a little higher but I'd point out the gap between the best and worst of these teams is so small. I think COL is a a little ahead of the other seven but the East in particular is super close.
Aside from scoring the series winner by throwing the puck at a massive screen, what has he done thats been a positive?
I guess Kreider has decided to not post up in front of the net any more?
Just a big time let down from our two best scorers.
Panarin looks petrified with the puck out there.
Nice regular season, good talent - but they haven’t been there before and while they made some nice deadline deals, we know as rangers fans those moves rarely have enough time chemistry wise to make a difference
Fully expect Tampa Carolina Calgary and Colorado to advance. No idea who wins of those 4 but I don’t know why Carolina would be ranked below any of them. They are very solid
They should have won tonight - played turtle for some reason in the third period. And Kakko missed a gimme. I can forgive the latter, the former is very concerning especially considering how young this team is - they should relish the moment, who cares if they fuck up.. they learn and grow. They weren’t given that chance tonight because someone decided to neuter them
Kakko was slashed on the hands on that chance he didnt get a shot off, shoulda been a penalty
And on the tying goal Miller did a fly-by of the guy at the point, then stopped skating and watched. Look at the replay
Top 2 lines were zeroes tonight
You are relentlessly dumb with your posts.
1) That was not a slash on Kaako. If they called that on the Rangers, you would be whining about that
2) Miller was the best defender on the ice for the Rangers tonight....and it wasn't close.
You have never played this game, and it is apparent. Maybe stop talking for a while....or maybe forever.
This is highly concerning and there is no end in sight. Really unless some dumb shit team trades us a legit Center for Lunduist.
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The players did this several times this season, and every time Gallant called them out in the postgame presser. Carolina raised their urgency and intensity and the Rangers didnt respond, then tried to not lose. They stopped skating and didnt meet the raised urgency of Carolina
Kakko was slashed on the hands on that chance he didnt get a shot off, shoulda been a penalty
And on the tying goal Miller did a fly-by of the guy at the point, then stopped skating and watched. Look at the replay
Top 2 lines were zeroes tonight
You are relentlessly dumb with your posts.
1) That was not a slash on Kaako. If they called that on the Rangers, you would be whining about that
2) Miller was the best defender on the ice for the Rangers tonight....and it wasn't close.
You have never played this game, and it is apparent. Maybe stop talking for a while....or maybe forever.
It was a clear slash on Kakko, the guy's stick whacked Kakko on the hands
Miller had good moments, which I posted about. But he was really bad on the tying goal
You are the dumbass telling us during Game 7 that the Rangers should trade Panarin, that you would rather keep Copp and Vatrano instead of Panarin
You are an idiot
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The players did this several times this season, and every time Gallant called them out in the postgame presser. Carolina raised their urgency and intensity and the Rangers didnt respond, then tried to not lose. They stopped skating and didnt meet the raised urgency of Carolina
Kakko was slashed on the hands on that chance he didnt get a shot off, shoulda been a penalty
And on the tying goal Miller did a fly-by of the guy at the point, then stopped skating and watched. Look at the replay
Top 2 lines were zeroes tonight
You are relentlessly dumb with your posts.
1) That was not a slash on Kaako. If they called that on the Rangers, you would be whining about that
2) Miller was the best defender on the ice for the Rangers tonight....and it wasn't close.
You have never played this game, and it is apparent. Maybe stop talking for a while....or maybe forever.
It was a clear slash on Kakko, the guy's stick whacked Kakko on the hands
Miller had good moments, which I posted about. But he was really bad on the tying goal
You are the dumbass telling us during Game 7 that the Rangers should trade Panarin, that you would rather keep Copp and Vatrano instead of Panarin
You are an idiot
No, I never said I thought that they should trade him. I said I would listen mostly because of the financial bind we are about to be in with new contracts coming up. Which is actually how teams stay ahead of cap issues. So YOU'RE dumb.
What else did Panarin do in that series that justifies 10 mill a year that was better than what Miller has done as a 22 year old?
That "slash" while technically was a slash would have been VERY ticky tack if called on the Rangers. But I could understand your not understanding that.
I'm an idiot? You routinely show up on threads where EVERYBODY calls you out for saying stupid things and then make the dumbest takes about hockey, and then call other people idiots.
Hey IDIOT, did you see what happened when the Rangers played dump and chase tonight?????
Again, I get that you know very little about hockey other than what Barry Melrose has barked at you for years, but you have been DEAD WRONG about every aspect of the Rangers play, have called out other posters as being whiny when you lend zero insight to the conversation.
Sure, lets dump and chase to a faster team and limit Miller's minutes. Lmao. What a joke.
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The players did this several times this season, and every time Gallant called them out in the postgame presser. Carolina raised their urgency and intensity and the Rangers didnt respond, then tried to not lose. They stopped skating and didnt meet the raised urgency of Carolina
Kakko was slashed on the hands on that chance he didnt get a shot off, shoulda been a penalty
And on the tying goal Miller did a fly-by of the guy at the point, then stopped skating and watched. Look at the replay
Top 2 lines were zeroes tonight
You are relentlessly dumb with your posts.
1) That was not a slash on Kaako. If they called that on the Rangers, you would be whining about that
2) Miller was the best defender on the ice for the Rangers tonight....and it wasn't close.
You have never played this game, and it is apparent. Maybe stop talking for a while....or maybe forever.
It was a clear slash on Kakko, the guy's stick whacked Kakko on the hands
Miller had good moments, which I posted about. But he was really bad on the tying goal
You are the dumbass telling us during Game 7 that the Rangers should trade Panarin, that you would rather keep Copp and Vatrano instead of Panarin
You are an idiot
No, I never said I thought that they should trade him. I said I would listen mostly because of the financial bind we are about to be in with new contracts coming up. Which is actually how teams stay ahead of cap issues. So YOU'RE dumb.
What else did Panarin do in that series that justifies 10 mill a year that was better than what Miller has done as a 22 year old?
That "slash" while technically was a slash would have been VERY ticky tack if called on the Rangers. But I could understand your not understanding that.
I'm an idiot? You routinely show up on threads where EVERYBODY calls you out for saying stupid things and then make the dumbest takes about hockey, and then call other people idiots.
Hey IDIOT, did you see what happened when the Rangers played dump and chase tonight?????
Again, I get that you know very little about hockey other than what Barry Melrose has barked at you for years, but you have been DEAD WRONG about every aspect of the Rangers play, have called out other posters as being whiny when you lend zero insight to the conversation.
Sure, lets dump and chase to a faster team and limit Miller's minutes. Lmao. What a joke.
And when I ask what I have been wrong about, no one responds
And I have been right about Miller and the Rangers play. Not my fault you cant keep up. And now you try to backtrack on your Panarin stupidity
You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how amazingly clueless it is
Nothing like about 90% of the regular season.
But you know better. You challenged my knowledge of the game yet I KNOW I have played the game longer and at a higher level than you have. Some of the most respected hockey posters on this site have contradicted your "dump and chase" theory as the best way to win this series and yet you plod on in your oblivious dream of self importance on a message board by talking down to people who obviously know a lot more about the sport than you do, and in doing so, resort to calling them names....even despite being wrong on virtually all of them.
I amturning the page and am now completely done engaging with you because you are not qorth my time nor energy to spell out the fairly obvious.
Wow, to see you double down is excruciating.
So you dont know shit. Par for the course whenever I see your stupid handle.
Again, you are wrong on Miller, but thats your opinion. You think you know more about hockey because you played in high school? I didnt play in high school, but I was a hockey play-by-play man for 12 years, a coach of various sports for 30 years, a PE teacher for 15 years, and a sportscaster for 25 years - including 11 years at national sportsradio networks. I know far more about sports than you do
You sound like the twitter idiots who kept telling me Quinn was right in having his D back into the goalie's lap, that they played hockey and were taught to never stand up at the blue line. Gallant gets here and the first thing the D does is start standing up at the blue line
You have your opinions, like saying the Rangers should keep Copp and Vatrano instead of Panarin, and I have mine. Move on
Excuse me? Mr overreation is chiming in? Miller is bad in his own zone and doesnt play with the needed urgency and intensity in the playoffs. You think it was ok that he didnt even try to stop Malkin on his breakaway? And gave a crappy, regular season game in November effort on the next breakaway goal? His two hits tonight on the one shift I applauded on this thread. Unfortunately those were his first hits of the playoffs. I react to dumbasses who say Miller is playing so well
Dump and chase! Kill Miller!
Truth told, neither of the top 2 lines really did anything with the puck outside of firing the puck into congested paths to the net and were subsequently repelled. I don't know what the game is you are watching, but we were trying to carry in the whole game! Difference is, the KIDS were the only successful ones at it. Line 1 was in La La land again. Line 2 relies on Panarin and it wasnt him really spearheading it, although he got the puck to Copp a few times (Strome looked drunk) and the 4th line had some success with the dump because Motte was all over the place.
That was the game plan theough 2 periods. Period 3, they tried to hack and chase and got beaten to almost every puck.
Keep up the good work Brockmire. Ugh. Just disappear
Kakko was slashed on the hands on that chance he didnt get a shot off, shoulda been a penalty
And on the tying goal Miller did a fly-by of the guy at the point, then stopped skating and watched. Look at the replay
Top 2 lines were zeroes tonight
Yep, Miller had no business being in that position. Trouba took his own man and if Miller hadn’t floated into no man’s land up near the blue line that goal doesn’t happen.!
Carolina isn't this scary monster of a team we made ourselves believe. Shoulda had that one. But I'm onto Game 2.
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I re-watched that sequence.
The play never should have happened. Trouba panicks to flip the puck out of the zone. Panarin and Copp are in the NZ. Panarin did not skate back hard enough.
But Trouba had PLENTY of room to carry the puck out of the corner. The defender was probably 8-10 feet away from him up near the blue line.
I like what Gallant did with the lines last night. Rolled all four consistently. The bottom six was better than the top six. I thought the Rangers moved the puck very well to get through the NZ. They employed some different strategies to move guys around and get the space they needed to get through.
I think there's blame to go around on that one but Panarin needed to hustle back once Miller chased the puck. He may have been able to prevent the rebound shot that went in.
It was not a sell out forecehck. It was what I thought they would do, focus in the d-zone on clogging up the middle - and if there was a sell out anywhere it was in the d-zone, no second chances for CAR and all the shots were from the outside without a lot of traffic in front. Very few high danger or even low danger scoring chances.
Quick through the neutral zone and the NYR scoring chances were mostly on the rush.
Kakko obviously missed a couple, Chytil missed a gimme, but that line was flying.
I'm not sure what changed in the 3rd. Of course CAR deserves a little credit. It looked like a pre-season game for them in the 1st two periods and they were fortunate Raanta kept it a one goal game.
As others have pointed out the Rangers looked like their plan in the 3rd period was to run out the clock (WTF?) with flips out to the neutral zone, no more feet moving in the d-zone, no breakout, no zip in the neutral zone. Some of that is dictated by CAR but not all of it. I would like to hear what Gallant has to say.
I think the Kakko slash/hook could have been called, it often is, but I have no real issue with it as a no-call - it would have been a weak penalty but like I said it's often called, I thought the refs were fine.
Lost opportunity IMO, but I still think think the Rangers win the series.
I think the forwards were a million times better on the backcheck. There were a few goals last series where the Penguins walked the blue line upon zone entry, which shouldn't happen if the forwards are back.
I think the forwards were a million times better on the backcheck. There were a few goals last series where the Penguins walked the blue line upon zone entry, which shouldn't happen if the forwards are back.
exactly and then in the 3rd the whole team relaxed and allowed easy entries and basically turned pucks over. Not sure why, were they gassed? or was that an actual plan?
You know who had a rough game was TDA. holy shit he was bad.
I think the third probably was a bit of being gassed and a bit of strategy. They did look a bit tired in being beaten to loose pucks consistently, but they also made little attempt to break out when they did gain possession in their own end. Just kept flipping the puck out over and over as if they were killing a penalty all period long. It is always frustrating when a team plays well and gets a lead, and then stops doing the things that got them the lead in the first place. Why go away from what was working?
Glass half full - the Rangers proved that they can play with Carolina if they play the way they did the first two periods. They missed some opportunities that would have won the game that they should bury next time. Lost on a fluky deflection by their own defenseman, tough break.
Glass half empty - when Carolina cranked up the intensity, the Rangers couldn't match. Canes hit three posts in the third - this could have easily. Carolina is unlikely to play so passively in Game 2. Rangers missed a golden opportunity to swipe home ice.
Also, I don't expect Raanta to play that well every game.
Also, I don't expect Raanta to play that well every game.
Third line seems extremely comfortable out there. It feels like it's all coming naturally to the three of them. They seem to do less thinking and just trust their instincts and make things happen.
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Especially since he's now infecting others with his inability to hit an open net. It's gone airborne!
Yes! And a little puck luck and he puts them up 2-0 last night. Clanked one off the crossbar/post corner.
I suspect this will go 6 or 7 games.
I suspect this will go 6 or 7 games.
I checked TOI - they played 14-15 minutes, it has got to be 17-18 - especially when there were only a couple of penalties.
I suspect this will go 6 or 7 games.
I checked TOI - they played 14-15 minutes, it has got to be 17-18 - especially when there were only a couple of penalties.
I agree, Lafreniere has been excellent in these playoffs, and I think Chytil and Kakko (despite his empty net miss) have really made the most of this playoff opportunity and showed that they are definitely part of the plan going forward. I'd like to see that line go from 13 minutes to at least 15. They've been the most consistent line for the Rangers through 8 playoff games, and have been far superior to the second line which has really just been awful. I'm not sure if there is something wrong physically with Panarin or if Pittsburgh and Carolina are just playing him in a way where he has no space. It's been frustrating watching him not only be a non-factor, but a liability at times.
Also doesn't help that he's playing with Strome. The guy is just out for a leisurely skate out there. Hardly makes any impact. Will be happy to see him move on. Panarin carries a heavy burden to create for that line. But I thought the entire top 6 was pretty poor. Need more consistency from those guys, not just when their backs are against the wall.
The Kakko miss was bad. But that line was easily their most productive. Kakko could have had a few assists already by that point. I can forgive the miss, shit happens. They need more consistent help.
Hes not only missing the net, but its to the point where I actually expect him to be taking penalties.
They have $7.3mm of cap space next year according to capFriendly. Have a couple RFAs and need to fill a few roster spots. The $3.4mm in dead cap space is killer. I don't know how we meaningfully improve there.
Seconded. I love how tough he is, willing to take and give the hits and I really love how annoyed he was with last night's loss, slamming his stick on the boards. He's also got a lethal shot. More playing time means more shots means more goals. He will score 30 next year.
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Can't wait to be rid of him.
They have $7.3mm of cap space next year according to capFriendly. Have a couple RFAs and need to fill a few roster spots. The $3.4mm in dead cap space is killer. I don't know how we meaningfully improve there.
I'm not very good at this with hockey, but I think it's a little bit higher than that. I believe the cap is going to be $82.5M, and the $75M-ish number that you added up to has a slew of AHL two-way contracts in it.
So, between Pajuniemi, Hunt, Brodzinski, Jones, Lundqvist, Robertson I would think there's at least another $3-4M.
But your point is still right on, considering that there's also no backup goalie, Kakko, or Blais in the number yet, let alone the potentially desirable UFAs like Copp, Vatrano, Motte.
I think they could be starting as high as $12M space if they wisely attach a pick or prospect to move Nemeth.
But that will be spoken for quickly.
$1M backup goalie?
$5M Copp?
$2.5M Kakko?
$2M Motte?
$2M Blais?
That's just spitballing with some numbers that would appear to be very team-friendly, and that still puts them over, and still a forward or two light numbers wise.
So they have some wood to chop for sure.
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Can't wait to be rid of him.
They have $7.3mm of cap space next year according to capFriendly. Have a couple RFAs and need to fill a few roster spots. The $3.4mm in dead cap space is killer. I don't know how we meaningfully improve there.
Should have traded Kravtsov for a young-ish C. Still should trade his rights.
The good news is the Rangers don't have any bad contracts or obviously bad contracts that you say need to be bought out or salary dumped.
You could argue they have some overpays, but otherwise they have good players who they pay good money to.
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Can't wait to be rid of him.
They have $7.3mm of cap space next year according to capFriendly. Have a couple RFAs and need to fill a few roster spots. The $3.4mm in dead cap space is killer. I don't know how we meaningfully improve there.
I'm not very good at this with hockey, but I think it's a little bit higher than that. I believe the cap is going to be $82.5M, and the $75M-ish number that you added up to has a slew of AHL two-way contracts in it.
So, between Pajuniemi, Hunt, Brodzinski, Jones, Lundqvist, Robertson I would think there's at least another $3-4M.
But your point is still right on, considering that there's also no backup goalie, Kakko, or Blais in the number yet, let alone the potentially desirable UFAs like Copp, Vatrano, Motte.
I think they could be starting as high as $12M space if they wisely attach a pick or prospect to move Nemeth.
But that will be spoken for quickly.
$1M backup goalie?
$5M Copp?
$2.5M Kakko?
$2M Motte?
$2M Blais?
That's just spitballing with some numbers that would appear to be very team-friendly, and that still puts them over, and still a forward or two light numbers wise.
So they have some wood to chop for sure.
Thanks, I was just going off CapFriendly. I don't follow the cap all that closely.
We desperately need a strong 2C IMO.
two way contracts below $1.5M total do not count toward the cap while the player is in the AHL.
so, those guys are all either reducing the number of players they need to acquire, or they aren't on the cap.
Out of the players I listed, At least 4 of them will be in the AHL. So that's the low end $3M number i cited.
Not quite seeing how acquiring a LTIR guy like Weber helps a cap team like the Rangers. LTIR guys where their cap hit is higher than their salary are usually ideal for floor teams (Coyotes). Rangers are spending that $7.8 mil anyways.
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contracts count toward the cap, how are you getting rid of those contracts without replacing the player on the NHL roster?
two way contracts below $1.5M total do not count toward the cap while the player is in the AHL.
so, those guys are all either reducing the number of players they need to acquire, or they aren't on the cap.
Out of the players I listed, At least 4 of them will be in the AHL. So that's the low end $3M number i cited.
you have off-season and in-season cap hits.
Off-season I believe they all two-way contracts count as NHL contracts.
in-season it gets reduced if they are sent down
I might be wrong, but this is how I think it works
Brutally hot here today.
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contracts count toward the cap, how are you getting rid of those contracts without replacing the player on the NHL roster?
two way contracts below $1.5M total do not count toward the cap while the player is in the AHL.
so, those guys are all either reducing the number of players they need to acquire, or they aren't on the cap.
Out of the players I listed, At least 4 of them will be in the AHL. So that's the low end $3M number i cited.
you have off-season and in-season cap hits.
Off-season I believe they all two-way contracts count as NHL contracts.
in-season it gets reduced if they are sent down
I might be wrong, but this is how I think it works
I don't disagree with any of this (not saying it's correct, but it's not in conflict with my very limited understanding).
But in the offseason I believe you're allowed to be up to 10% over the cap. So the two-way contracts for players who you project to be in the AHL are never really knee-capping you.
At the end of the day, for NYR I think all roads point to something like $11M available to do a bunch of thing, which isn't a lot.