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Sources: Former #Giants Pro Bowl CB James Bradberry has agreed to terms with the #Eagles on a 1-year deal for $10M. A big-time post-draft addition, as Bradberry lands in a perfect spot.
all in all considering the timing he did pretty well for himself. that's a better deal than what Gilmore got a few weeks before the draft.
this is all purely guesswork but i think teams were willing to trade for him on an extension around 10m AAV, maybe even slightly higher than that with some funky math. That was his current value.
bradberry thinks he's worth more like 15m+ and he's willing to play out this year to try to prove it.
he's a good guy so sucks that he stayed in the division because that makes it a little harder to root for him.
Remember his play from 2021 then remember how Hurts performed in the playoff game. This move does nothing to move the needle on Philadelphia in my opinion. They are a fringe playoff team who loses in the WC round should they qualify.
pretty amazing the nyg were unable to trade him given this
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
James Bradberry initially had 11 teams reach out, his agents whittled it down to three teams and eventually he chose the Eagles over the others.
those 11 teams (or at least the other 2 finalists) could have had him at roughly the same price he ended up signing for via trade.
Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC
Thats a solid contract for Bradberry. If teams were willing to go to $10Mish its surprising the Giants couldn't eat some money to get a pick.
i thought bradberry was going to get 2-3m less than this once he got cut.
RE: Would’ve rather traded him away to a non-division opponent,
To him. Iggles might have the inside track to the division now, over the 'Girls.
Inside track? With Jalen F'n Hurts at QB? Sorry unless Dak sustains another season ending injury they are still firmly the 2nd best team in the division at best.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
James Bradberry initially had 11 teams reach out, his agents whittled it down to three teams and eventually he chose the Eagles over the others.
those 11 teams (or at least the other 2 finalists) could have had him at roughly the same price he ended up signing for via trade.
Not really that amazing considering he only signed a 1 year deal. Teams that wanted to trade for him wanted a multi-year extension to spread out is $12 million salary he'd get under the Giants contract. And Bradberry refused.
It was really frustrating in last years game think it was early Dec?, just how atrocious the QB play was with both Jones and Hurts played with reads, calls, throws/decision making.
Both of them were comically bad despite facing depleted rosters on both sides.
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Yes. The Giants will get a $2M credit on the 2023 cap for the $2M of Bradberry’s 2022 salary that became guaranteed in March due to standard offset language in his contract
His intention was always to hit UFA after this year. And the Giants couldn’t afford him at a 10M price.
Bradberry is a 10/M at this point in time. He’s banking on that value improving before he signs an extension.
I essentially said the same thing back in March. Team Bradberry had the leverage once Schoen admitted the cap hell situation and how much money he wanted to clear.
So, they weren't going to accommodate the new GM - for the mistake his predecessor made - by renegotiating a lower deal; and they knew the demand corners have in the market is always high demand.
Advantage Team Bradberry.
In hindsight, it was probably not the smartest move by Schoen to be so clear with his cap intentions. Less is more.
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Adam Schefter
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James Bradberry’s one-year deal with the Eagles will pay him $7.5 million, including $7.25 million guaranteed, and another $2.5 million in upside, bringing the total value of the deal to $10 milllion, per source.
as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
The Eagles are going for it. They saw that this is a year to be a player in the NFC. All the elite QB talent besides the old guys (Brady and Rodgers) are in the AFC. Who is a contender in the NFC--The Bucs, the Packers, the Niners and Rams. Those are beatable teams. They are not going against Burrow and Hebert or Mahomes or Josh Allen etc and they are going for it.
The Eagles are going for it. They saw that this is a year to be a player in the NFC. All the elite QB talent besides the old guys (Brady and Rodgers) are in the AFC. Who is a contender in the NFC--The Bucs, the Packers, the Niners and Rams. Those are beatable teams. They are not going against Burrow and Hebert or Mahomes or Josh Allen etc and they are going for it.
While I agree this is certainly a year to sneak a run in in the NFC the teams you listed are varying degrees of "beatable" including the AFC teams. Why aren't those AFC teams who were barely above .500 not also "beatable"?
RE: Part of him going to the Eagles is on Joe Schoen
as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
The Giants cap situation is public. He didn't have to say it, but thats not what made teams aware of the situation. It wasn't a competitive advantage situation.
RE: Part of him going to the Eagles is on Joe Schoen
as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
An intern could figure out how much cap we needed to save. Bradberry's agent wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't know the cap situations for each of his clients.
Schoen tried trading him, had offers, and I guess Bradberry didn't like the extension offers. So he chose to wait it out and sign a 1 year deal. Its fairly cut and dry. Schoen saying we needed to save money was a "no shit" statement.
RE: RE: Part of him going to the Eagles is on Joe Schoen
as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
The Giants cap situation is public. He didn't have to say it, but thats not what made teams aware of the situation. It wasn't a competitive advantage situation.
I totally disagree. How you decide to manage the cap is definitely a strategic decision. Although most would know it would be preferable to cut Bradberry, nobody would have known out thinking. Once Schoen put a dollar amount on the cap cut, everyone knew what was going to happen. The right move was to wait and the Eagles pounced.
as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
An intern could figure out how much cap we needed to save. Bradberry's agent wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't know the cap situations for each of his clients.
Schoen tried trading him, had offers, and I guess Bradberry didn't like the extension offers. So he chose to wait it out and sign a 1 year deal. Its fairly cut and dry. Schoen saying we needed to save money was a "no shit" statement.
He gave a dollar amount.
RE: Part of him going to the Eagles is on Joe Schoen
as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
there are no secrets. he had 2 deals agreed to. do you think the same GMs Joe Schoen was calling to try to trade Bradberry to, and willing to eat money to do so, didn't realize that there was also a chance he could get cut?
bradberry just took a contract with a cap number that's likely around half of what his cap # was on a trade.
not as well in 2021, some of that I attribute to the loss of some of the better players on our defense that got hurt or left via free agency in Martinez, Carter, Fackrell and Tomlinson. The entire defense played well in 2020 and after the loss of so much talent up front it was only natural for it to effect the secondary.
Our defense is not that much worse without Bradberry. Add Thibs with a healthy Martinez and Winks scheme, I personally expect a competitive unit.
Bradberry going to the Eagles, that sucks all on its own. I will be curious to see how their defense plays.
as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
An intern could figure out how much cap we needed to save. Bradberry's agent wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't know the cap situations for each of his clients.
Schoen tried trading him, had offers, and I guess Bradberry didn't like the extension offers. So he chose to wait it out and sign a 1 year deal. Its fairly cut and dry. Schoen saying we needed to save money was a "no shit" statement.
He gave a dollar amount.
and the alternative was what? the dollar amount was clear post-draft whether he said anything or not.
again he had 2 trades agreed to. his dollar amount wasn't the issue, the amount Bradberry wanted in an extension was.
as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
NFL teams can just look at our cap space and see that.
is correct. There wasn't only one option here. But Schoen pretty much telegraphed his gameplan. A lot of GMs - including Gettleman - would have kicked the can down the road.
Schoen should have kept his cards closer to his vest. Hopefully, he will learn from this.
RE: Part of him going to the Eagles is on Joe Schoen
as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
Even we can look at over the cap and see how far over the Giants were and understand that we needed to sign a rookie class. It was pretty obvious how much we needed to reduce
RE: RE: Part of him going to the Eagles is on Joe Schoen
as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
NFL teams can just look at our cap space and see that.
That is obviously true, but they don't know what you are going to be doing with your cap. The cap is so able to be manipulated, but when you saw I want to clear 40 million, people take notice. Whether it made a difference we will never know, but not really sure why he needed to give everyone a dollar amount. I know it affected how Bradberry and his people dealt with the situation.
is correct. There wasn't only one option here. But Schoen pretty much telegraphed his gameplan. A lot of GMs - including Gettleman - would have kicked the can down the road.
Schoen should have kept his cards closer to his vest. Hopefully, he will learn from this.
how does anything schoen did impact whether or not they wanted Bradberry at a cap # 3-5m higher than what he got?
the market just spoke. as it did in negotiations with team bradberry during the extension talks.
RE: RE: RE: Part of him going to the Eagles is on Joe Schoen
An intern could figure out how much cap we needed to save. Bradberry's agent wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't know the cap situations for each of his clients.
Schoen tried trading him, had offers, and I guess Bradberry didn't like the extension offers. So he chose to wait it out and sign a 1 year deal. Its fairly cut and dry. Schoen saying we needed to save money was a "no shit" statement.
He gave a dollar amount.
Exactly. Just STFU about your strategy and cap target. Sure, most can figure out we are in Cap Hell, but you shouldn't come out and give a specific end point.
Sources: Former #Giants Pro Bowl CB James Bradberry has agreed to terms with the #Eagles on a 1-year deal for $10M. A big-time post-draft addition, as Bradberry lands in a perfect spot.
this is all purely guesswork but i think teams were willing to trade for him on an extension around 10m AAV, maybe even slightly higher than that with some funky math. That was his current value.
bradberry thinks he's worth more like 15m+ and he's willing to play out this year to try to prove it.
he's a good guy so sucks that he stayed in the division because that makes it a little harder to root for him.
James Bradberry initially had 11 teams reach out, his agents whittled it down to three teams and eventually he chose the Eagles over the others.
those 11 teams (or at least the other 2 finalists) could have had him at roughly the same price he ended up signing for via trade.
Thats a solid contract for Bradberry. If teams were willing to go to $10Mish its surprising the Giants couldn't eat some money to get a pick.
i thought bradberry was going to get 2-3m less than this once he got cut.
Schoen had two trades completed. Not his fault Bradberry and his agent couldn't agree to a deal with said teams.
Inside track? With Jalen F'n Hurts at QB? Sorry unless Dak sustains another season ending injury they are still firmly the 2nd best team in the division at best.
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
James Bradberry initially had 11 teams reach out, his agents whittled it down to three teams and eventually he chose the Eagles over the others.
those 11 teams (or at least the other 2 finalists) could have had him at roughly the same price he ended up signing for via trade.
Not really that amazing considering he only signed a 1 year deal. Teams that wanted to trade for him wanted a multi-year extension to spread out is $12 million salary he'd get under the Giants contract. And Bradberry refused.
His intention was always to hit UFA after this year. And the Giants couldn’t afford him at a 10M price.
Bradberry is a 10/M at this point in time. He’s banking on that value improving before he signs an extension.
It was really frustrating in last years game think it was early Dec?, just how atrocious the QB play was with both Jones and Hurts played with reads, calls, throws/decision making.
Both of them were comically bad despite facing depleted rosters on both sides.
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Yes. The Giants will get a $2M credit on the 2023 cap for the $2M of Bradberry’s 2022 salary that became guaranteed in March due to standard offset language in his contract
His intention was always to hit UFA after this year. And the Giants couldn’t afford him at a 10M price.
Bradberry is a 10/M at this point in time. He’s banking on that value improving before he signs an extension.
I essentially said the same thing back in March. Team Bradberry had the leverage once Schoen admitted the cap hell situation and how much money he wanted to clear.
So, they weren't going to accommodate the new GM - for the mistake his predecessor made - by renegotiating a lower deal; and they knew the demand corners have in the market is always high demand.
Advantage Team Bradberry.
In hindsight, it was probably not the smartest move by Schoen to be so clear with his cap intentions. Less is more.
Adam Schefter
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James Bradberry’s one-year deal with the Eagles will pay him $7.5 million, including $7.25 million guaranteed, and another $2.5 million in upside, bringing the total value of the deal to $10 milllion, per source.
unless they included a void year, which they may have needed to do.
The Eagles are going for it. They saw that this is a year to be a player in the NFC. All the elite QB talent besides the old guys (Brady and Rodgers) are in the AFC. Who is a contender in the NFC--The Bucs, the Packers, the Niners and Rams. Those are beatable teams. They are not going against Burrow and Hebert or Mahomes or Josh Allen etc and they are going for it.
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Fills a definite need.
The Eagles are going for it. They saw that this is a year to be a player in the NFC. All the elite QB talent besides the old guys (Brady and Rodgers) are in the AFC. Who is a contender in the NFC--The Bucs, the Packers, the Niners and Rams. Those are beatable teams. They are not going against Burrow and Hebert or Mahomes or Josh Allen etc and they are going for it.
While I agree this is certainly a year to sneak a run in in the NFC the teams you listed are varying degrees of "beatable" including the AFC teams. Why aren't those AFC teams who were barely above .500 not also "beatable"?
The Giants cap situation is public. He didn't have to say it, but thats not what made teams aware of the situation. It wasn't a competitive advantage situation.
An intern could figure out how much cap we needed to save. Bradberry's agent wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't know the cap situations for each of his clients.
Schoen tried trading him, had offers, and I guess Bradberry didn't like the extension offers. So he chose to wait it out and sign a 1 year deal. Its fairly cut and dry. Schoen saying we needed to save money was a "no shit" statement.
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as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
The Giants cap situation is public. He didn't have to say it, but thats not what made teams aware of the situation. It wasn't a competitive advantage situation.
I totally disagree. How you decide to manage the cap is definitely a strategic decision. Although most would know it would be preferable to cut Bradberry, nobody would have known out thinking. Once Schoen put a dollar amount on the cap cut, everyone knew what was going to happen. The right move was to wait and the Eagles pounced.
He won't count toward the comp pick formula because he was a cut and it was past the deadline.
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as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
An intern could figure out how much cap we needed to save. Bradberry's agent wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't know the cap situations for each of his clients.
Schoen tried trading him, had offers, and I guess Bradberry didn't like the extension offers. So he chose to wait it out and sign a 1 year deal. Its fairly cut and dry. Schoen saying we needed to save money was a "no shit" statement.
He gave a dollar amount.
there are no secrets. he had 2 deals agreed to. do you think the same GMs Joe Schoen was calling to try to trade Bradberry to, and willing to eat money to do so, didn't realize that there was also a chance he could get cut?
bradberry just took a contract with a cap number that's likely around half of what his cap # was on a trade.
Our defense is not that much worse without Bradberry. Add Thibs with a healthy Martinez and Winks scheme, I personally expect a competitive unit.
Bradberry going to the Eagles, that sucks all on its own. I will be curious to see how their defense plays.
I don’t think a GM should ever share any detail on financials. It was a rookie mistake.
Credit to team Bradberry — they knew his worth and didn’t budge.
He got to pick his destination and he’s getting at least 7.5M on a contract year he started with 2M in guarantees.
And of course the Eagles waited it out and didn’t trade for a player who was always getting cut.
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as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
An intern could figure out how much cap we needed to save. Bradberry's agent wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't know the cap situations for each of his clients.
Schoen tried trading him, had offers, and I guess Bradberry didn't like the extension offers. So he chose to wait it out and sign a 1 year deal. Its fairly cut and dry. Schoen saying we needed to save money was a "no shit" statement.
He gave a dollar amount.
and the alternative was what? the dollar amount was clear post-draft whether he said anything or not.
again he had 2 trades agreed to. his dollar amount wasn't the issue, the amount Bradberry wanted in an extension was.
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In hindsight, it was probably not the smartest move by Schoen to be so clear with his cap intentions. Less is more.
I don’t think a GM should ever share any detail on financials. It was a rookie mistake.
Credit to team Bradberry — they knew his worth and didn’t budge.
He got to pick his destination and he’s getting at least 7.5M on a contract year he started with 2M in guarantees.
And of course the Eagles waited it out and didn’t trade for a player who was always getting cut.
hard disagree here. he's getting about half of what he was supposed to in new $ this year. this is gamble that may very well not pay off.
NFL teams can just look at our cap space and see that.
Schoen should have kept his cards closer to his vest. Hopefully, he will learn from this.
Even we can look at over the cap and see how far over the Giants were and understand that we needed to sign a rookie class. It was pretty obvious how much we needed to reduce
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as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
NFL teams can just look at our cap space and see that.
That is obviously true, but they don't know what you are going to be doing with your cap. The cap is so able to be manipulated, but when you saw I want to clear 40 million, people take notice. Whether it made a difference we will never know, but not really sure why he needed to give everyone a dollar amount. I know it affected how Bradberry and his people dealt with the situation.
Schoen should have kept his cards closer to his vest. Hopefully, he will learn from this.
how does anything schoen did impact whether or not they wanted Bradberry at a cap # 3-5m higher than what he got?
the market just spoke. as it did in negotiations with team bradberry during the extension talks.
An intern could figure out how much cap we needed to save. Bradberry's agent wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't know the cap situations for each of his clients.
Schoen tried trading him, had offers, and I guess Bradberry didn't like the extension offers. So he chose to wait it out and sign a 1 year deal. Its fairly cut and dry. Schoen saying we needed to save money was a "no shit" statement.
He gave a dollar amount.
Exactly. Just STFU about your strategy and cap target. Sure, most can figure out we are in Cap Hell, but you shouldn't come out and give a specific end point.