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Text just now from CB James Bradberry on why he chose to sign with the #Eagles: "I believe the scheme is a perfect fit for me." #NewBeginnings in the #NFCEast
I'm getting tired of people claiming how bad he was last season, he wasn't. Its like once someone says something others claim it as fact. The "fact" is our best DB just went to a division rival.
He got to pick his destination and he’s getting at least 7.5M on a contract year he started with 2M in guarantees.
hard disagree here. he's getting about half of what he was supposed to in new $ this year. this is gamble that may very well not pay off.
You can disagree as hard as a Viagra commercial — but that’s a factual observation.
He had 2M in guaranteed money on his deal with the Giants. And his new deal appears to have 7.5M guaranteed money. No matter what transpires he is guaranteed more money now.
Now, if you believe there was some alternate scenario where he would earn 15M in guarantees somewhere else, that’s fine.
But he wasn’t earning 13.5M as a New York Giant, guaranteed or otherwise.
or once again fans are reacting to a shiny object instead of the meat of the issue. schoen's comments were meaningless.
the decisions they made with bradberry are entirely questionable on the grounds of the actual decision. were they better keeping him and kicking money to next year? were they better off extending him since the going rate for corners is 20m+ in aav? if he ends up going back to the 2020 version the answer to those questions will be resoundingly yes.
the decision on whether to keep him is where they made a mistake or not. not the paper trail.
they don't choose his market value and a few comments to the press didn't change it. right now it was almost half of what his prior contract was. there is no logical world to expect that other teams decisions on what they were willing to pay him for 2022 were influenced by a comment in february. they were influenced by the player they judged him to be.
RE: entirely agree with fitzgerald here - maybe schoen cut bait too early
Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC
Thats a solid contract for Bradberry. If teams were willing to go to $10Mish its surprising the Giants couldn't eat some money to get a pick.
i thought bradberry was going to get 2-3m less than this once he got cut.
Actually don't agree with Fitz at all. According to Schoen they had multiple deals done and Bradberry's camp couldn't agree on a contract with the new team. Schoen did all he could. As previously mentioned in the thread Bradberry wanted to take his 10 mill and bet that he can earn more than that as a UFA on the open market next off season.
You can disagree as hard as a Viagra commercial — but that’s a factual observation.
He had 2M in guaranteed money on his deal with the Giants. And his new deal appears to have 7.5M guaranteed money. No matter what transpires he is guaranteed more money now.
Now, if you believe there was some alternate scenario where he would earn 15M in guarantees somewhere else, that’s fine.
But he wasn’t earning 13.5M as a New York Giant, guaranteed or otherwise.
he took a deal for 1/2 the AAV as his previous deal. there is no argument it's a good deal for him on it's own. the only way it becomes a good deal is if he has a good year and earns himself a bigger deal next year.
we can't know for sure what the extensions offered were but i guarantee they including more than 10m in guaranteed money at a higher AAV than 7.5m.
better. His actions all along since taking this job showed what he wanted to do. He let FAs leave, brought in vet minimum 1 year contracts. His two splurges were a backup QB and RG to mid-level contracts. That telegraphed his plans more than anything he might have said out loud. He clearly was setting up one year of eating cap for something of a cap reset next year.
Every GM in the league knew that Bradberry's contract was next. The fact that every team that wanted Bradberry wanted him conditionally on successful renegotiation of the contract shows how bad that contract really was. Everyone knew it was bad and everything Schoen had done up to that point indicated what he was going to do about it. You'd have to think that other GMs in the league were Gettleman level idiots not to see that. There was no poker game to play here. He was either going to accept a trade and renegotiate with another team or get cut and then go negotiate a new deal with another team. That was the only two ways this was ever going to go. Bradberry wouldn't do the former, so Schoen did the latter.
Stu i think fitzgerald's opinion likely shifts with the updated terms
with the contract being worth "up to" 10m and a base of just 7.5m.
also he's projecting the year 1 cap # to be 2.5m, which I believe would be expecting there to be 2 void years.
we'll see when it comes out but the reality is simply that the nyg were in a tough spot trying to maneuver a $13.4m cap charge for this year with team bradberry being 5m richer than teams who wanted him in extension talks.
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In that case more likely a $2.5M cap charge
It was really frustrating in last years game think it was early Dec?, just how atrocious the QB play was with both Jones and Hurts played with reads, calls, throws/decision making.
Both of them were comically bad despite facing depleted rosters on both sides.
If you are misremembering the first Eagles game in late November, Jones had 200+ yards passing, 30 yards rushing, 1 TD and a QBR of 94. Not a great game but certainly not atrocious or comically bad.
The Eagles were a logical spot for him. Hopefully they get the 2021 version or more decline. Schoen probably learned something from this experience but I'd rather Bradberry on Eagles than him getting a new multi year contract from the Giants or them touching the Williams or Golladay contracts so he could play out this year.
or was it Grahams scheme of keeping everything in front of you which just leads to first downs and long drive. IMO it was the scheme being played not the player.
The Eagles were a logical spot for him. Hopefully they get the 2021 version or more decline. Schoen probably learned something from this experience but I'd rather Bradberry on Eagles than him getting a new multi year contract from the Giants or them touching the Williams or Golladay contracts so he could play out this year.
It’s not like JB is revis here. I loved that we purged majority of overpriced vets.
If KG doesn’t perform well this yr, he may be next in 2023. Adoree? They just redid so we may have him two more yrs. New scouting department and GM, it may take another draft for the arrow to move up. Hopefully we have around 10 rookies that can contribute and show upside.
based on Fitzgerald's comment I think this is what he's guessing
as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
The Giants cap situation is public. He didn't have to say it, but thats not what made teams aware of the situation. It wasn't a competitive advantage situation.
I totally disagree. How you decide to manage the cap is definitely a strategic decision. Although most would know it would be preferable to cut Bradberry, nobody would have known out thinking. Once Schoen put a dollar amount on the cap cut, everyone knew what was going to happen. The right move was to wait and the Eagles pounced.
You can't stop that information from getting out. Even if Shoen said nothing, agents talk and there's nothing the Giants can do about it. All that would need to happen is Bradberry's agent laying out to teams that they had no intention of taking a restructure and didnt like what the Giants were planning.
...his cap hit was huge, his play was declining, and the Giants' cap space was minimal.
And if Schoen "played his cards close to his vest" once he made trade inquiries every team would know about it.
And no team had an appetite to take on Bradberry at $12 million for 2022 without Bradberry taking an extension... and Bradberry didn't want to sign an extension.
Also teams knew that the Giants would have to eventually release Bradberry (you just have to look at the Giants balance sheet to figure that out), so why trade for him? He's not some great player anymore that a team feels like they have to trade for to beat out all the other teams in the league that might want him. Not for $12 million a year.
In other words, Schoen being vocal about moving on from Bradberry is a non-issue, and affected nothing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Eagles will also, most likely,
He won't count toward the comp pick formula because he was a cut and it was past the deadline.
The Eagles cut him already? Interesting.
if they used void years (tbd) then they kind of did.
If they use void years then he won't be part of the formula but Jay read that as the Giants getting a comp pick which was not what I wrote. I'm busting balls.
From my perspective, I absolutely liked Schoen moving on from Bradberry so we can get younger and see what we have in the secondary without Bradberry. I am perfectly fine with that risk.
At the same time, I think it's a reasonable criticism against Schoen and how he publicly declared his intentions with the cap. I don't think it's a major issue, but it's always smarter - IMV - to be less clear about specific cap intentions.
IMV, every time a GM speaks publicly, he is communicating to the rest of the league, and they are listening intently.
Slayton, Toney & Robinson will run right past this guy................
It didnt matter if Shoen said what he said or not. It was obvious what needed to happen and who needed to go. When we first went into the off-season I looked at the Giants situation and came up with that the Giants needed to clear between 38-42M off the cap. Bradberry along with all the others that were let go was the only plan I could see happening.
I wasn’t for kicking money down the road either. The only thing that Shoen did different then what I came up with was not cutting Shepard. Shoen didn’t let any secrets out. If I could look at the situation, anyone doing it for a living in the NFL could see it as well. If Shoen did anything wrong it was only bringing attention to the situation but the media would have done that anyway. Hell, he never even brought Bradberry up, it was the media because just like I could see anyone looking into it could figure out that is what needed to happen.
Bradberry signing with the Eagles isn’t going to win them a Super Bowl this year and isn’t going to keep the Giants from winning one either. If anything, maybe it helps from Dallas achieving where they want to go which is fine by me.
Schoen cleared the cap, got rid of an over paid player and put the Giants in a better position next year to continue their rebuild. I don’t give a crap about which way he played it as long as he tried and found some trade offers, it’s not his fault Bradberry played hardball to get what he wanted.
I think despite the “potential” negative impact on this deal
Schoen had to set expectations with the fan base and his team. I think he was wise to do that. No one is under any illusions on what they were trying to achieve this year.
people disagree on the importance of Schoens comments, that’s about it. This isn’t really a scenario of people violently arguing over polar opposite takes like what would be featured on another Jones thread.
There’s plenty of middle, I just don’t think it’s overly important and don’t care about it one way or another. Bradberry is no longer a Giant, good luck to him and I’m hoping we use the money wisely moving forward.
They are loaded on both sides of the ball and as long as Jalen isn't a complete disaster (which he may very well may be), I see Philly winning the division.
Brandon Graham and Josh Sweat rotating on one side, Derek Barnett and Hasson Reddick rotating on the other side, with Jordan Davis, Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave rotating inside, with TJ Edwards and Nakobe Dean behind them... with Anthony Harris, James Bradberry and Darius Slay behind that... and they have PLENTY on offense... awww shit, this sucks, Philly might be pretty good this year and I want nothing more than to beat them 2x this year... I think I hate them more than Dallas.
They are loaded on both sides of the ball and as long as Jalen isn't a complete disaster (which he may very well may be), I see Philly winning the division.
Brandon Graham and Josh Sweat rotating on one side, Derek Barnett and Hasson Reddick rotating on the other side, with Jordan Davis, Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave rotating inside, with TJ Edwards and Nakobe Dean behind them... with Anthony Harris, James Bradberry and Darius Slay behind that... and they have PLENTY on offense... awww shit, this sucks, Philly might be pretty good this year and I want nothing more than to beat them 2x this year... I think I hate them more than Dallas.
It's a one year deal and Philly isn't winning anything this year. It's not like they are a corner away.
Who knows what any team is away from anything. The Bengals were 5 minutes away from a Super Bowl last season and if you told me that in last May, I would have laughed myself to the ground. The Eagles are not a bad team in what I think is an underwhelming NFC (and not just the East the whole conference). Who is actually good in the East? The Packers and Bucs (two aging QBs whose rosters are not complete), the Rams, the Niners maybe?
I hate the Eagles more than any team in this league and I am concerned.
you've got to find the right players, build it up, and then go beat the teams above you. Nothing will be handed to you. Rip off the band aid and get to work building. Don't sweat 2022 very much, look for small and any signs of progress on the football field.
2022 was always going to be a year to take a step back in order to prepare for steps forward in 2023, 2024 ...
I'm getting tired of people claiming how bad he was last season, he wasn't. Its like once someone says something others claim it as fact. The "fact" is our best DB just went to a division rival.
I feel this way as well. It is like an echo chamber (so long as what is being said is in some way positive or reinforces a benefit to the Giants).
I'm getting tired of people claiming how bad he was last season, he wasn't. Its like once someone says something others claim it as fact. The "fact" is our best DB just went to a division rival.
I feel this way as well. It is like an echo chamber (so long as what is being said is in some way positive or reinforces a benefit to the Giants).
His QBRating when targeted was over a 100. Not sure, how this is even a point of debate and I think the Giants could have done better with this as I have said in this thread and others. That is performance did not drop is a radically uninformed take.
Bradberry is a terrible corner that makes every team he’s
Makes it easier to swallow. I just despise that organization with the heat of a thousand suns and the bottom line is short term NY got worse and Phi got better. I know we're not going to be good. I can accept that. But I can't accept even the possibility of those shit stains being good. Whatever, hadda be done. Thanks Dave, hope you're enjoying Cape Cahhhhd.
I'm getting tired of people claiming how bad he was last season, he wasn't. Its like once someone says something others claim it as fact. The "fact" is our best DB just went to a division rival.
I feel this way as well. It is like an echo chamber (so long as what is being said is in some way positive or reinforces a benefit to the Giants).
generally agree. most seem unwilling to confront what schoen himself has said about this being a hard choice in favor of magical thinking that had he simply not said he needed to create cap room there was a great alternative that would have benefitted the nyg.
the decision was to keep or not to keep, and not keeping meant losing a starting caliber corner. but that's the decision they made (imo less because of last year and more because bradberry's skill set just didn't fit wink's scheme). that doesn't necessarily mean it was the right decision though. good schemes can adapt to accommodate good players.
He had a big handful of stinkers, I'm not sure what you were missing.
Yes, the defense around him had a down year, as did Graham, and yes, he had an achilles bothering him. Bottom line, he was not very good last season and it reinforces him as a cap casualty option, like it or not.
He had a big handful of stinkers, I'm not sure what you were missing.
Yes, the defense around him had a down year, as did Graham, and yes, he had an achilles bothering him. Bottom line, he was not very good last season and it reinforces him as a cap casualty option, like it or not.
his season last year was within the range of his career. it wasn't his career year in 2020 but it wasn't far off his prior 4 years in Carolina that got him 14.5m AAV. And his ball product was top of the league (4 ints, 17 passes defensed). his run D was the biggest red flag.
you've got to find the right players, build it up, and then go beat the teams above you. Nothing will be handed to you. Rip off the band aid and get to work building. Don't sweat 2022 very much, look for small and any signs of progress on the football field.
2022 was always going to be a year to take a step back in order to prepare for steps forward in 2023, 2024 ...
missed tackles all significantly higher, and you can bet the stats vs better teams were ugly.
there was an extra game (and more targets) so the per target numbers are more relevant. his best tape was probably against waller/kelce.
1/3 of the league called him when he hit FA so it's not a question of whether or not he's still a useful player. the only question this offseason was cost.
No, there is the "those grapes were sour anyway" camp with posters who thought Bradbury was wonderful two weeks ago crapping all over him for his coverage skills now that he is with a division rival.
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Text just now from CB James Bradberry on why he chose to sign with the #Eagles: "I believe the scheme is a perfect fit for me." #NewBeginnings in the #NFCEast
One camp won't/can't criticize any move.
One camp won't/can't laud any more.
It's OK to be in the middle.
hard disagree here. he's getting about half of what he was supposed to in new $ this year. this is gamble that may very well not pay off.
You can disagree as hard as a Viagra commercial — but that’s a factual observation.
He had 2M in guaranteed money on his deal with the Giants. And his new deal appears to have 7.5M guaranteed money. No matter what transpires he is guaranteed more money now.
Now, if you believe there was some alternate scenario where he would earn 15M in guarantees somewhere else, that’s fine.
But he wasn’t earning 13.5M as a New York Giant, guaranteed or otherwise.
One camp won't/can't criticize any move.
One camp won't/can't laud any more.
It's OK to be in the middle.
or once again fans are reacting to a shiny object instead of the meat of the issue. schoen's comments were meaningless.
the decisions they made with bradberry are entirely questionable on the grounds of the actual decision. were they better keeping him and kicking money to next year? were they better off extending him since the going rate for corners is 20m+ in aav? if he ends up going back to the 2020 version the answer to those questions will be resoundingly yes.
the decision on whether to keep him is where they made a mistake or not. not the paper trail.
they don't choose his market value and a few comments to the press didn't change it. right now it was almost half of what his prior contract was. there is no logical world to expect that other teams decisions on what they were willing to pay him for 2022 were influenced by a comment in february. they were influenced by the player they judged him to be.
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Thats a solid contract for Bradberry. If teams were willing to go to $10Mish its surprising the Giants couldn't eat some money to get a pick.
i thought bradberry was going to get 2-3m less than this once he got cut.
Actually don't agree with Fitz at all. According to Schoen they had multiple deals done and Bradberry's camp couldn't agree on a contract with the new team. Schoen did all he could. As previously mentioned in the thread Bradberry wanted to take his 10 mill and bet that he can earn more than that as a UFA on the open market next off season.
You can disagree as hard as a Viagra commercial — but that’s a factual observation.
He had 2M in guaranteed money on his deal with the Giants. And his new deal appears to have 7.5M guaranteed money. No matter what transpires he is guaranteed more money now.
Now, if you believe there was some alternate scenario where he would earn 15M in guarantees somewhere else, that’s fine.
But he wasn’t earning 13.5M as a New York Giant, guaranteed or otherwise.
he took a deal for 1/2 the AAV as his previous deal. there is no argument it's a good deal for him on it's own. the only way it becomes a good deal is if he has a good year and earns himself a bigger deal next year.
we can't know for sure what the extensions offered were but i guarantee they including more than 10m in guaranteed money at a higher AAV than 7.5m.
After his performance last year?
Every GM in the league knew that Bradberry's contract was next. The fact that every team that wanted Bradberry wanted him conditionally on successful renegotiation of the contract shows how bad that contract really was. Everyone knew it was bad and everything Schoen had done up to that point indicated what he was going to do about it. You'd have to think that other GMs in the league were Gettleman level idiots not to see that. There was no poker game to play here. He was either going to accept a trade and renegotiate with another team or get cut and then go negotiate a new deal with another team. That was the only two ways this was ever going to go. Bradberry wouldn't do the former, so Schoen did the latter.
also he's projecting the year 1 cap # to be 2.5m, which I believe would be expecting there to be 2 void years.
we'll see when it comes out but the reality is simply that the nyg were in a tough spot trying to maneuver a $13.4m cap charge for this year with team bradberry being 5m richer than teams who wanted him in extension talks.
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In that case more likely a $2.5M cap charge
It was really frustrating in last years game think it was early Dec?, just how atrocious the QB play was with both Jones and Hurts played with reads, calls, throws/decision making.
Both of them were comically bad despite facing depleted rosters on both sides.
If you are misremembering the first Eagles game in late November, Jones had 200+ yards passing, 30 yards rushing, 1 TD and a QBR of 94. Not a great game but certainly not atrocious or comically bad.
It’s not like JB is revis here. I loved that we purged majority of overpriced vets.
If KG doesn’t perform well this yr, he may be next in 2023. Adoree? They just redid so we may have him two more yrs. New scouting department and GM, it may take another draft for the arrow to move up. Hopefully we have around 10 rookies that can contribute and show upside.
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Get a comp for him in 2024.
He won't count toward the comp pick formula because he was a cut and it was past the deadline.
The Eagles cut him already? Interesting.
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as much as we are in the honeymoon period, he did not have to tell the world how much money he wanted to cut from cap. That was an unforced error that he did not need to make public. But, he did and all the actors in the Bradberry saga knew this and they acted accordingly.
The Giants cap situation is public. He didn't have to say it, but thats not what made teams aware of the situation. It wasn't a competitive advantage situation.
I totally disagree. How you decide to manage the cap is definitely a strategic decision. Although most would know it would be preferable to cut Bradberry, nobody would have known out thinking. Once Schoen put a dollar amount on the cap cut, everyone knew what was going to happen. The right move was to wait and the Eagles pounced.
You can't stop that information from getting out. Even if Shoen said nothing, agents talk and there's nothing the Giants can do about it. All that would need to happen is Bradberry's agent laying out to teams that they had no intention of taking a restructure and didnt like what the Giants were planning.
They do have draft capital to move up for a QB next year though.
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Get a comp for him in 2024.
He won't count toward the comp pick formula because he was a cut and it was past the deadline.
The Eagles cut him already? Interesting.
if they used void years (tbd) then they kind of did.
And if Schoen "played his cards close to his vest" once he made trade inquiries every team would know about it.
And no team had an appetite to take on Bradberry at $12 million for 2022 without Bradberry taking an extension... and Bradberry didn't want to sign an extension.
Also teams knew that the Giants would have to eventually release Bradberry (you just have to look at the Giants balance sheet to figure that out), so why trade for him? He's not some great player anymore that a team feels like they have to trade for to beat out all the other teams in the league that might want him. Not for $12 million a year.
In other words, Schoen being vocal about moving on from Bradberry is a non-issue, and affected nothing.
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In comment 15712234 robbieballs2003 said:
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Get a comp for him in 2024.
He won't count toward the comp pick formula because he was a cut and it was past the deadline.
The Eagles cut him already? Interesting.
if they used void years (tbd) then they kind of did.
If they use void years then he won't be part of the formula but Jay read that as the Giants getting a comp pick which was not what I wrote. I'm busting balls.
One camp won't/can't criticize any move.
One camp won't/can't laud any more.
It's OK to be in the middle.
From my perspective, I absolutely liked Schoen moving on from Bradberry so we can get younger and see what we have in the secondary without Bradberry. I am perfectly fine with that risk.
At the same time, I think it's a reasonable criticism against Schoen and how he publicly declared his intentions with the cap. I don't think it's a major issue, but it's always smarter - IMV - to be less clear about specific cap intentions.
IMV, every time a GM speaks publicly, he is communicating to the rest of the league, and they are listening intently.
They do have draft capital to move up for a QB next year though.
The Eagles scored 26 PPG and went to the playoffs with Hurts last year. I think they're a good over bet (9.5) and bet to win the division (+190).
I wasn’t for kicking money down the road either. The only thing that Shoen did different then what I came up with was not cutting Shepard. Shoen didn’t let any secrets out. If I could look at the situation, anyone doing it for a living in the NFL could see it as well. If Shoen did anything wrong it was only bringing attention to the situation but the media would have done that anyway. Hell, he never even brought Bradberry up, it was the media because just like I could see anyone looking into it could figure out that is what needed to happen.
Bradberry signing with the Eagles isn’t going to win them a Super Bowl this year and isn’t going to keep the Giants from winning one either. If anything, maybe it helps from Dallas achieving where they want to go which is fine by me.
Schoen cleared the cap, got rid of an over paid player and put the Giants in a better position next year to continue their rebuild. I don’t give a crap about which way he played it as long as he tried and found some trade offers, it’s not his fault Bradberry played hardball to get what he wanted.
There’s plenty of middle, I just don’t think it’s overly important and don’t care about it one way or another. Bradberry is no longer a Giant, good luck to him and I’m hoping we use the money wisely moving forward.
One camp won't/can't criticize any move.
One camp won't/can't laud any more.
It's OK to be in the middle.
the no compliments camp is having a good run this past decade!
put a product on the field that isn't abysmal and then I'll compliment.
As a Philadelphia Eagle this morning - "All-Pro level guy they got on the cheap."
Brandon Graham and Josh Sweat rotating on one side, Derek Barnett and Hasson Reddick rotating on the other side, with Jordan Davis, Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave rotating inside, with TJ Edwards and Nakobe Dean behind them... with Anthony Harris, James Bradberry and Darius Slay behind that... and they have PLENTY on offense... awww shit, this sucks, Philly might be pretty good this year and I want nothing more than to beat them 2x this year... I think I hate them more than Dallas.
Brandon Graham and Josh Sweat rotating on one side, Derek Barnett and Hasson Reddick rotating on the other side, with Jordan Davis, Fletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave rotating inside, with TJ Edwards and Nakobe Dean behind them... with Anthony Harris, James Bradberry and Darius Slay behind that... and they have PLENTY on offense... awww shit, this sucks, Philly might be pretty good this year and I want nothing more than to beat them 2x this year... I think I hate them more than Dallas.
i'd still take dallas > philly pretty easily.
dak >>>>>> hurts
Who knows what any team is away from anything. The Bengals were 5 minutes away from a Super Bowl last season and if you told me that in last May, I would have laughed myself to the ground. The Eagles are not a bad team in what I think is an underwhelming NFC (and not just the East the whole conference). Who is actually good in the East? The Packers and Bucs (two aging QBs whose rosters are not complete), the Rams, the Niners maybe?
I hate the Eagles more than any team in this league and I am concerned.
2022 was always going to be a year to take a step back in order to prepare for steps forward in 2023, 2024 ...
I feel this way as well. It is like an echo chamber (so long as what is being said is in some way positive or reinforces a benefit to the Giants).
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I'm getting tired of people claiming how bad he was last season, he wasn't. Its like once someone says something others claim it as fact. The "fact" is our best DB just went to a division rival.
I feel this way as well. It is like an echo chamber (so long as what is being said is in some way positive or reinforces a benefit to the Giants).
His QBRating when targeted was over a 100. Not sure, how this is even a point of debate and I think the Giants could have done better with this as I have said in this thread and others. That is performance did not drop is a radically uninformed take.
(Okay, none of that is true. But fuck the Eagles. That part is definitely true.)
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I'm getting tired of people claiming how bad he was last season, he wasn't. Its like once someone says something others claim it as fact. The "fact" is our best DB just went to a division rival.
I feel this way as well. It is like an echo chamber (so long as what is being said is in some way positive or reinforces a benefit to the Giants).
generally agree. most seem unwilling to confront what schoen himself has said about this being a hard choice in favor of magical thinking that had he simply not said he needed to create cap room there was a great alternative that would have benefitted the nyg.
the decision was to keep or not to keep, and not keeping meant losing a starting caliber corner. but that's the decision they made (imo less because of last year and more because bradberry's skill set just didn't fit wink's scheme). that doesn't necessarily mean it was the right decision though. good schemes can adapt to accommodate good players.
Yes, the defense around him had a down year, as did Graham, and yes, he had an achilles bothering him. Bottom line, he was not very good last season and it reinforces him as a cap casualty option, like it or not.
Yes, the defense around him had a down year, as did Graham, and yes, he had an achilles bothering him. Bottom line, he was not very good last season and it reinforces him as a cap casualty option, like it or not.
his season last year was within the range of his career. it wasn't his career year in 2020 but it wasn't far off his prior 4 years in Carolina that got him 14.5m AAV. And his ball product was top of the league (4 ints, 17 passes defensed). his run D was the biggest red flag.
2022 was always going to be a year to take a step back in order to prepare for steps forward in 2023, 2024 ...
This ^
there was an extra game (and more targets) so the per target numbers are more relevant. his best tape was probably against waller/kelce.
1/3 of the league called him when he hit FA so it's not a question of whether or not he's still a useful player. the only question this offseason was cost.
One camp won't/can't criticize any move.
One camp won't/can't laud any more.
It's OK to be in the middle.