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NFT: Online-only Gig or "Ghost Work" advice needed

D HOS : 5/18/2022 5:32 pm
By "Ghost work" I don't mean work as a literal ghost, or where employee or employer blows each other off, or a job listing is not actually available. I mean someone who works "behind the scenes" where you, the user, the public, never encounter or even know about that person at all.


TL;DR -
Where would an extremely brilliant, capable and motivated young person, with no work history at all, who is super quirky and extremely socially anxious and can barely deal with people IRL, find gig work where there is zero face to face interaction and generally only text/chat/teams/slack with rare voice contact through teams or discord?

Someone who has no interest in technical skills like coding or web design, but is very capable at navigating an online world, existing as only an avatar. A dispassionate and rules oriented person with a strong ability to focus on process, rules, facts, correlate information and uncover data relationships?

If you are a Sherlock Holmes fan, he could almost be like Mycroft Holmes. Where would a real-life Mycroft go to get a job?


Unnecessary & oversharing backstory-

I have a 20 year old son who, the way he is built, doesn't line up in the least with how jobs work. Ok right now you are probably laughing and rolling your eyes. I would too. I know a lot of teens and young people.
But my kid honestly is a unique and edge case. He's not unmotivated or a dim-witted slacker. He's more unique than any other person I have ever known. Help me out here.

First, he is absolutely brilliant. I know legit geniuses and I think he's the smartest of all. A lot of people say that about him. His brain's horsepower is amazing, his logical and deductive abilities are awesome, his memory is incredible. He is an excellent problem solver in terms of data or logical puzzles.

Second thing to know is he has a hard-wired impairment in dealing with people directly. As a little kid he was fine at making instant friends on the playground, always had a great time being around other kids, but as he got older and as the people around him became older (maybe 'realer'), he started showing extreme fear, anxiety and mistrust regarding other people and most situations. He'd push people away. He'd run and hide. He'd meltdown. We have had multiple missing kid incidents where he just booked out of some situation and hid really well. Numerous times we'd be called to school because he locked himself in a closet or hid behind some desks and refuse to budge.

There were only two times when he was good in a group of people. one was pokemon club and the other was marching band in HS. Guess what, two groups of very quirky "special" people who generally speaking don't harass the hell out of you for not fitting their juvenile concept of what normal is.

Third thing is, he has a strong drive, if its something that he finds meaningful.

Next, he is absolutely a black / white all / nothing kind of person. The least little thing that puts him off, the whole scenario is now permanently ruined for him. He is absolutely inflexible in his opinions and attitudes.

Outside of school, on his own, he has developed a very frighteningly vast amount of specific and accurate knowledge about all kinds of things relevant to "now". Geography. Recent history. World cultures. Politics. Economics. You do not want to debate him on politics or current events whether in the US or abroad, his knowledge wins every time. So he has a thirst for knowledge and learning, on his terms.

He totally distains the real world and also sees social media as an ineptly superficial attempt to reflect and embellish the inherent dishonesty of real world. Social media is populated in his view by the most insecure and the most narcisistic of people, basically communities of liars, lying to other liars.

Outside of "social media", he has an online life with meaningful online friends from around the world through discord, slack, message boards. He has held volunteer positions as moderator and admin of various message boards and servers among name-recognized gaming communities.

While most people to him are shallow irrelevant NPC's who offer only "unpredictable inappropriateness and bad intentions", in real life, if he comes to trust you (and I can count those people using only my fingers) he values that relationship even as he has no clue and possibly no interest in your side of it.

To explain that last comment, we have had him evaluated several times during his life by psychologists, educational consultants, psychiatrists, medical professionals, social workers... they almost all report the same things. He has a few asperger's-like traits such as ocd, sensory issues, ridged thinking, but he come close to fitting the profile of any diagnosis. He has extremely high intelligence. but also an extremely high baseline level of anxiety and fear. He has very little ability to read people, to perceive or even acknowledge their emotions, drives and motivations.

All this makes life so frightening and uncertain, as one psychologist told us, "He goes through life living normally where you are, when someone has gotten on your very last nerve and you are barely holding back from having a meltdown. That's his starting point when he becomes stressed and anxious."

We have tried combinations of medications for anxiety. Nothing really helped. Currently he is not taking anything but aside from this work issue, he is actually in the best place he has been in his life. I honestly think that school, especially high school, gave him PTSD and he's needed more than a year of calm and no school to recover. His Mom and I gave him that, but now its time to discover the next thing.

We have talked numerous times over the last few years about what kind of job could he do, or more generally, what kind of goal based activity will take up his time? He has a lot of interest in this but has no idea what fits. No one else does either. He is reluctant to ask his online "friends" or anyone else for that matter, I suppose it is an embarrassing subject and he's not very big on self-reflection or explanations.

We talk about making your own opportunities, starting small and finding your way forward, and he's all good with that, but can't conceive of the right starting place.

So the person I just described, what does that person do for a job? I have no idea.

The most he would be able to handle, in terms of a "real job" in a "real place" is if he worked in some small company with very few other people where a clever person is needed to follow a few clearly defined processes to achieve clearly defined goals, with some occasional creative problem solving, toward outcomes that are interesting with obvious usefulness.

I am wondering if there are online-only versions of the same? Entirely through slack, discord, email, with no video and relatively little real time one-on-one discussion?

One last thing. He is not interested at all in the underpinnings of technology, so frustratingly that rules out a lot that might be in this kind of situation - web design, coding, information security, databases, general IT...

Data analytics, fact checker, researcher, those are some of the things I thought of. But I have no idea how to find limited interaction jobs in those areas.

If Roblox needed a full time online concierge to help newbies, that could be his dream job. Are there actual jobs within Second Life?

Does anyone have any thoughts or advice on jobs like I just described? Where would one go to find those opportunities, besides online gig sites?
Rereading that...  
D HOS : 5/18/2022 5:40 pm : link
It may sound like I am describing a sociopath. Not at all. While he has no understanding nor empathy for people, he is amazingly good with babies and animals. Both babies and animals, and especially animal babies, take to him immediately and he is very caring and nurturing. Night and day compared to how he treats "people".

I think it is because you can't believe an bad intent from babies and (friendly) animals, and they are, in their way, understandable and predictable. I made a strong emphasis of having my sons knowing personally and well, a wide variety of different kinds of animals as they grew up and this son in particular had continuing exposure to babies and toddlers as he grew up - he was voluntold for the child care at church most weeks. I think that was important.
" but he come close to fitting the profile"  
D HOS : 5/18/2022 6:03 pm : link
he does NOT come close...
DHOS  
DonQuixote : 5/18/2022 6:40 pm : link
Thanks for sharing this. I have some experience with kids that have anxiety disorders, not diagnosing here but just saying. When the anxiety is there, even helpful correction is tough for them because they just feel like crap. If you as parents are seen as a constructive and comforting force, I think you are doing amazing work.

There are many opportunities out there that do not involve dealing with people that trigger anxiety...working with animals/veterinary services, data oriented positions or remote customer service provide situations with some healthy distance. If your child has entrepreneurial ambitions, that might allow them to control their own environment a little better.




Wanting to help  
Giantology : 5/18/2022 7:26 pm : link
I work in ecommerce (web design, development, etc) so it's hard to for me to think of suggestions for online work or data that don't require at least some tech work. But, one thought that came to mind was User Testing - which usually only requires recording either voice or video feedback where you are testing online experiences for brands: one service you could checkout is UserTesting.com

If I think of anything else I will be share to share
https://www.usertesting.com/get-paid-to-test - ( New Window )
RE: Wanting to help  
Giantology : 5/18/2022 7:29 pm : link
In comment 15712736 Giantology said:
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I work in ecommerce (web design, development, etc) so it's hard to for me to think of suggestions for online work or data that don't require at least some tech work. But, one thought that came to mind was User Testing - which usually only requires recording either voice or video feedback where you are testing online experiences for brands: one service you could check out is UserTesting.com

If I think of anything else I will be sure* to share https://www.usertesting.com/get-paid-to-test - ( New Window )
This is not my area at all, sorry.  
j_rud : 5/18/2022 7:57 pm : link
Just wanted to say the kid has a great dad.
There are plenty of geniuses out there  
JesseS : 5/18/2022 8:10 pm : link
I have plenty of them as clients.

He still needs hard skills.

He should do a coding boot camp. You can get a job paying up to 200k and be totally behind the scenes. There are tons of coding boot camps.
I’ve worked with web devs on the spectrum  
mattlawson : 5/18/2022 9:35 pm : link
They are awesome. Channel him into a passion project with good people he trusts and watch him go. Personal space is super important. Personal research time - not just business objectives. The right manager is key
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I am Ninja : 5/18/2022 9:45 pm : link
Nothing of any real value to add but wanted to say good luck to you both. With the help of his supports, he'll find his way.
Ok so....  
It's a New Day : 5/18/2022 10:28 pm : link
I WAS this kid. I totally know him.....

I found 3 things I love and turned them all into some level of income and have worked in the field I truly love for 32 years. And when I say "field" it's a marginal, low-end action sports field. And I have become an integral part of the business community in this field.

What does he love in life?

Does he love video games? Coding, designing, creating video game might be an answer?

Does he like films/moving? Buy him a cinema camera and get him started with some online lessons/classes.

Art, history? Maybe a tour guide, museaum work?

I hope you get my point. It sounds like he would EXCEL at something he loves....
Get him a job as a janitor at MIT  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/18/2022 10:37 pm : link
Tell him to keep an eye out for complex math problems on the blackboard in the hallway.
I’ve got an appropriate job.  
Gregorio : 5/18/2022 11:08 pm : link
Truck loader at UPS. It’s manual labor, but requires concentration and focus. You receive packages off a conveyor belt, and load them into 3 trucks. The sequence of the packages on the truck shelves, needs to be in the maintained in the order of the addresses and streets on the route.

-It requires organizational skill to keep the packages in address order.
-It requires intelligence to the extent in that you need detail knowledge the streets in the routes.
-It involves little human interaction, save for your boss at beginning and end of shift.
-It’s physical because your lifting packages, and carrying them into the back of trucks.
-The work is at odd hours, 4am to 8am, which works for an anti-social person.


However, the solution to the problem is bigger than a job; it is get to the root cause of his anxiety, and treat it. Until that is done, he will struggle with almost any job that involves humans.

By the way, I had this UPS job and failed after a month. I could not work fast enough to load all the packages by the 8:00 am deadline.
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