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Thursday, May 19 OTA #3
Approx. 9:35 a.m. – Head Coach Brian Daboll Available
Approx. 9:45 a.m. – Offensive Coordinator Mike Kafka Available
10:15 a.m. – 12:15 p.m. – Practice
Offensive Assistants Available – After Practice
Players Available – After Practice
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Popular question. My understanding is Kadarius Toney has been in attendance and healthy. Get a chance to see it for the first time today.
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Popular question. My understanding is Kadarius Toney has been in attendance and healthy. Get a chance to see it for the first time today.
He's there, but he is DJ'ing not practicing.
This would be intrigue that we don’t need. I could understand it if Gettleman was still GM and Judge was still HC. Schoen and Daboll appear to be much less paranoid.
This would be intrigue that we don’t need. I could understand it if Gettleman was still GM and Judge was still HC. Schoen and Daboll appear to be much less paranoid.
I don't think they want to be seen as pointing out who is and who is not at an optional activity. Makes it sort of not optional if you are taking and reporting attendance.
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#Giants #Daboll - good start to OTAs....robinson at NFL symposium today...mulling dual camp practice with another team
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Brian Daboll said they’re discussing the possibility of joint practices in training camp. They might have an answer next week.
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Brian Daboll said the #Giants have “exceptional” attendance at voluntary OTAs.
Wan’Dale Robinson won’t be here today since he’s at a mandatory rookie symposium.
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Brian Daboll says Kenny Golladay and Kadarius Toney will be here in red jerseys signaling injury recovery #giants
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#Giants #Daboll - several players in red jersey doing some level of injury rehab....gates and peart and others progressing but no timetable yet - maybe few more weeks to determine
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Brian Daboll says Kenny Golladay & Kadarius Toney have been here at OTAs but have been/ are wearing red jerseys. sounds like their workload is dialed down for certain undisclosed reasons. #Giants
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#Giants #Daboll - Kafka been leading the offensive unit and done a real good job...always respected him and subscribes to KC's open type of offense
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Daboll said there will be some rehabbing players in red jerseys but they’re all moving in the right direction. Still too early to talk about being ready for training camp.
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#Giants #Daboll - has installed a lot of plays...players can tell the train is speeding up....but adapts some of the stuff to what players are comfortable with
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Brian Daboll on wanting Daniel Jones to be aggressive and his message to him in OTAs: “If you go out there and throw a few picks at practice, no sweat.” #Giants
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Brian Daboll’s message to Daniel Jones: Fit the ball in tight windows. Don’t worry about a couple picks in practice. That’s why we do this. #giants
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#Giants #Daboll - tells jones to go ahead and try to fit tight throws in because it's only practice...now is the time to try stuff - it doesnt count...always glad to hear feedback from players
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Brian Daboll is installing the offense at a rapid pace. “The train isn’t slowing down, it’s just speeding up.”
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#Giants #Daboll - wants the QB to protect the ball but dont play afraid...go turn it loose
@Dan_Salomone
Daboll said he told Daniel Jones OTAs are a time to try things out and fit throws in tight windows at practice. They want to protect the ball but not play scared when the season comes around. “Be smart, not reckless.”
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#Giants #Daboll - bringing in players from your past stops has some value....you are always looking for players to improve...added some defensive guys and will see what they can add in the next couple weeks
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#Giants #Daboll - slayton is a pro and has done a good job....doesnt say very much
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OC Mike Kafka said they’re throwing a lot at the players now. “That’s by design.” They want to see how they handle the stress.
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Brian Daboll says he solicis feedback from all players, such as Daniel Jones, Kenny Golladay & Kadarius Toney, about what they prefer with a play call or route on offense. Daboll says they’ve installed A LOT on offense already. “I’ve told the guys: this train’s not slowing down.”
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#Giants #Kafka - thrown a lot at the players....a lot of concepts...want to see how they operate under stress...been fun moving pieces around into different spots
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Kafka—-“I’m really enjoying working with Daniel”
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#Giants #Kafka - enjoys working with jones...he is smart...likes way he communicates with teammates...and he absorbs stuff well...lines guys up...commands the huddle
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Kafka enjoys working with Daniel Jones. He had heard he is smart and tough, and now he’s seeing it firsthand. “He’s absorbing [the information] and spitting it back out.” Kafka also notes DJ’s leadership skills and communication with teammates.
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Mike Kafka on leaving the Chiefs for the #Giants: “This opportunity was special to me. I wasn’t going to go to just any team.”
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#Giants #Kafka - KC is a great team and was awesome experience there...wasnt going to leave unless it was the right opportunity
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Mike Kafka said he’s been calling the plays for the QBs in practice but said Brian Daboll is still figuring out what play calling will look like come the season. #Giants
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#Giants #Kafka - every OC aspires to call plays...right now, whatever coach daboll wants to do is fine
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#Giants #Kafka - team has added plenty of competition to the room....really likes it
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Kafka—-“Toney is a dynamic talent”
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#Giants #Daboll - bringing in players from your past stops has some value....you are always looking for players to improve...added some defensive guys and will see what they can add in the next couple weeks
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#Giants #Daboll - slayton is a pro and has done a good job....doesnt say very much
oh man this isn't gonna good for my slayton for chuck clark fixation. if there was a post-june 1 trade already agreed to this seems like exactly what would be said.
they've added a ton of corners the last couple days but only 1 safety...
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Kafka said Kadarius Toney has been really attentive in meetings. “I love his personality…brings a smile to the room.”
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#Giants #Kafka - toney been great to work with...very attentive at meetings..very dymamic player...want barkley to get as many touches as you can
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#Giants OC Mike Kafka said that Kadarius Toney has been attentive in meetings and that he has the sort of personality that brings a smile to your face.
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Kafka—-“This will be the Giants offense, not the Bills, not the Chiefs”
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#Giants #Kafka - working toward making this the giants offense....we will use experiences from chiefs and bills...all the installs are scripted for camp
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#Giants #Kafka - golladay been great....and shows leadership in the WR room
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@rydunleavy
Brian Daboll says Kenny Golladay and Kadarius Toney will be here in red jerseys signaling injury recovery #giants
Might as well just keep those red jerseys on all year.
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#Giants #Kafka on jones - working on his fundamentals and techniques now...you tell him one thing, he spends all day working on it
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STC Thomas McGaughey: “I’m happy to be back here. … All I do is try to treat people right and do my job.”
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Thomas McGaughey on surviving four regimes—“Treating people right helps”
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#Giants #McGauhey - happy to stay on the staff thru four coaching changes....just tries to treat people right and does his job and gives whatever he can...daboll brings much energy every day..amazing how fast the staff has come together
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McGaughey: “The vibe here is awesome.” He said it’s amazing how fast they’ve come together as a staff. It all starts with Daboll energizing the building.
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#Giants #McGaughey - gillan is young punter and still figuring it out...coaching him up...has talent
Ha, Wan'dale is #1 WR, what a joke
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#Giants #McGaughey - robinson is one of 6 or 7 guys who can return punts....
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McGaughey said new punter Jamie Gillan can do a lot of different things with his rugby background.
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#Giants #McGaughey - toney dynamic... competing in the return game is one of the reasons he is here
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Brian Daboll says Kenny Golladay and Kadarius Toney will be here in red jerseys signaling injury recovery #giants
Might as well just keep those red jerseys on all year.
Probably easier to start saying when Toney does not have a red shirt, the red shirt has become the default
This is good news.
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Brian Daboll said Kadarius Toney and Kenny Golladay will be wearing red jerseys, as both are on some sort of injury/physical restrictions.
This is good news.
Totally agree. This doesn’t mean they have new injuries. They are being cautious with guys who were beat up the year before. Smart. Them being there is the most important thing.
This is good news.
I agree, no need for them to injure a hamstring or anything that might carry over to training camp. I'm just glad that they are both there and engaged. Let's hope that they keep it up.
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@ZackBlatt
Kadarius Toney warming up at the start of practice.
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Kafka—-“I’m really enjoying working with Daniel”
uh oh. Some people aren't going to like that!
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Sterling Shepard & Kadarius Toney on Tuesday JUGS machine in red jerseys on the side #Giants
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So far in the OTAs Jerren Williams has been working with the safeties.
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Brian Daboll said they’re discussing the possibility of joint practices in training camp.
Have a feeling Daboll doesn't subscribe to the idea that the starters don't need to play in preseason games because joint practices (with QBs and certain others in red jerseys) are supposedly more useful.
Before last year, I'd never seen starters play so little in preseason and probably never seen them look so unprepared when the reg season started.
Today's media is saying that Williams is strictly working out with the Safeties group today.
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Kafka—-“I’m really enjoying working with Daniel”
uh oh. Some people aren't going to like that!
Why? Do you think there are posters who believed Daboll's first comments about working with Jones would be "Man, that guy is really an a**hole!"
You know nobody on this site actively hates Daniel Jones, right?
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So far in the OTAs Jerren Williams has been working with the safeties.
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Throw of the day: Davis Webb scrambles and throws an arcing TD pass down the sideline in 7 on 7s #Giants
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Davis Webb with a beautiful ball hitting CJ Board for six
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Aaron Robinson working with 1s
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Blake Martinez and Tae inside, Thibs and Jihad Ward outside
No limp, moving well. Thinking more and more that he is ready for Day One of camp.
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Flott working in slot.
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Blake Martinez is in a red injury jersey today so no real reps for him yet but he was on field for some walk-thru snaps.
No limp, moving well. Thinking more and more that he is ready for Day One of camp.
wow that would be quite a positive surprise. gates back healthy as 6th OL would be real depth. he may even push feliciano to his natural spot at LG.
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to me so far is the video of Nick Gates.
No limp, moving well. Thinking more and more that he is ready for Day One of camp.
wow that would be quite a positive surprise. gates back healthy as 6th OL would be real depth. he may even push feliciano to his natural spot at LG.
That would be unbelievable. I still find it extremely unlikely that he is ready by camp. It is one thing to walk normal and another to be where he left off prior to the injury. Strenth, flexibly, swelling, trust, etc. will all be huge obstacles to overcome. I wish him the best. I loved him at C.
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Most encouraging thing to me today so far is how Blake Martinez is moving. He’s wearing a red jersey & it’s just jog thru speed. But he’s participating in full coming off the ACL.
Some in red are participating. Some, like Toney (?), Shepard (Achilles) and Golladay (?), aren’t.
No limp, moving well. Thinking more and more that he is ready for Day One of camp.
Is it really possible that he will be ready week one? Just the fact that he is out there is great news.
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#Giants first OL group in team drills:
LT Andrew Thomas
LG Shane Lemieux
C Jon Feliciano
RG Mark Glowinski
RT Evan Neal
although maybe not for Matt Peart's career prospects, PUP was probably the safest way for him to keep a roster spot.
wow that would be quite a positive surprise. gates back healthy as 6th OL would be real depth. he may even push feliciano to his natural spot at LG.
That video was great to see. I can't believe that he doesn't have on a boot or any brace. If he's fully cleared, still a big if, then I do not see how he doesn't return to the starting lineup at center. Feliciano would then be excellent depth inside.
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Don’t worry lol Azeez with 1s In team drill.
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Shane Lemieux with 1s, Korey Cunningham at LT for Thomas.
A starting front of Thibodeux - Williams - Ellis - Lawrence - Ward should be pretty hard to run against (especially if Martinez is all the way back).
Not really an obvious first DL off the bench after those 3 and that would be a spot a veteran could be added given how much Wink has rotated DL in his past.
although maybe not for Matt Peart's career prospects, PUP was probably the safest way for him to keep a roster spot.
Yea I still hope that Peart begins on the PUP list or IR so that they can stash him away. The backup spots are too crowded right now. For arguments sake let's say that the OL stays the same as it is in practice today as I expect it to:
LT Andrew Thomas
LG Shane Lemieux
C Jon Feliciano
RG Mark Glowinski
RT Evan Neal
That leaves 4 spots for Josh Ezeudu, Matt Gono, Ben Bredeson, Max Garcia, Marcus McKethan, Jamil Douglas, and Korey Cunningham. If Gates is fully cleared then that is very bad news for Bredeson, Garcia, Douglas, and Cunningham.
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and all were moving around pretty freely. with 2 months until camp even opens that's highly encouraging.
although maybe not for Matt Peart's career prospects, PUP was probably the safest way for him to keep a roster spot.
Yea I still hope that Peart begins on the PUP list or IR so that they can stash him away. The backup spots are too crowded right now. For arguments sake let's say that the OL stays the same as it is in practice today as I expect it to:
LT Andrew Thomas
LG Shane Lemieux
C Jon Feliciano
RG Mark Glowinski
RT Evan Neal
That leaves 4 spots for Josh Ezeudu, Matt Gono, Ben Bredeson, Max Garcia, Marcus McKethan, Jamil Douglas, and Korey Cunningham. If Gates is fully cleared then that is very bad news for Bredeson, Garcia, Douglas, and Cunningham.
McKethan likely goes to PS or IR stash. Cunningham they can try to get to PS also.
I could see them keeping 10 OL active but that would have 6 guys competing for 5 spots Gates, Ezeudu, Gono, Bredeson, Garcia, Douglas. 7 if Peart is healthy. maybe they can sneak one of them to PS also.
nice to have real depth for a change.
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Jones with a bad overthrow picked by Julian Love.
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Blake Martinez looks real close to removing the red jersey.
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Tyrod Taylor with a beautiful ball on a go to Robert Foster
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Update: Tyrod Taylor just threw an incredibly well placed sideline go-route to Robert Foster. Apologies to Davis for my premature award-giving. #giants
A starting front of Thibodeux - Williams - Ellis - Lawrence - Ward should be pretty hard to run against (especially if Martinez is all the way back).
Not really an obvious first DL off the bench after those 3 and that would be a spot a veteran could be added given how much Wink has rotated DL in his past.
I am still hoping that Ward plays DE in 3-4 packages to allow Lawrence to play more NT. Ideally Lawrence will rotate with Ellis at NT and play a few snaps at DE depending on the packages.
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it wouldn't surprise me if Ojulari is deployed as more of a traditional pass rusher than every down player.
A starting front of Thibodeux - Williams - Ellis - Lawrence - Ward should be pretty hard to run against (especially if Martinez is all the way back).
Not really an obvious first DL off the bench after those 3 and that would be a spot a veteran could be added given how much Wink has rotated DL in his past.
I am still hoping that Ward plays DE in 3-4 packages to allow Lawrence to play more NT. Ideally Lawrence will rotate with Ellis at NT and play a few snaps at DE depending on the packages.
I think when Ojulari comes in it's likely Ward kicks down and Lawrence does move inside. The most Wink played any DL in baltimore was Calais 56% of snaps. Everyone else was under 50%. Leonard Williams played 76% last year and Lawrence 65%, so i do think we are going to see a lot of differences in how they are used which will hopefully make them more effective when on the field.
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Andrew Thomas actually wasn’t in team drills. Korey Cunningham was filling in at LT.
But Thomas, obviously, is the first team LT.
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Andrew Thomas and Matt Peart in red jerseys (injury recovery)
1st Team OL:
Neal, Glowinski, Feliciano, Lemieux, Cunningham
2nd team OL:
Gono, McKethan, Bredeson, Hamilton, Ezeudu
Bredeson at center is interesting #Giants
I think when Ojulari comes in it's likely Ward kicks down and Lawrence does move inside. The most Wink played any DL in baltimore was Calais 56% of snaps. Everyone else was under 50%. Leonard Williams played 76% last year and Lawrence 65%, so i do think we are going to see a lot of differences in how they are used which will hopefully make them more effective when on the field.
The DL depth concerns me. I think that they are okay at NT but the DE depth is a different story and that is assuming Ward primarily plays DE. Let's hope that Williams stays healthy all year and one of Hinton, Holmes, Jabari Ellis surprise to provide a solid rotational piece.
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Andrew Thomas and Matt Peart in red jerseys (injury recovery)
1st Team OL:
Neal, Glowinski, Feliciano, Lemieux, Cunningham
2nd team OL:
Gono, McKethan, Bredeson, Hamilton, Ezeudu
Bredeson at center is interesting #Giants
Very interesting for a few reasons. Obviously Bredeson at center is the main reason and I am happy to see him showing versatility. Hopefully he is another player that proves a move to center is best for his career. The other interesting moves are McKethan at LG, Ezeudu at RT and not LG, plus Hamilton an OT at RG.
It's important to keep in mind that these could just be temporary moves to evaluate the versatility of these players and not a sign of a permanent move.
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Kayvon Thibodeaux left a team period late in practice. A trainer checked his quad/groin/hip area. He remained on the sideline so doesn’t appear to be anything serious.
Still a wild 2nd line.
As of today Jamil Douglas is likely destined to the PS along with MBaeteka, and possibly Rivas.
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Andrew Thomas and Matt Peart in red jerseys (injury recovery)
1st Team OL:
Neal, Glowinski, Feliciano, Lemieux, Cunningham
2nd team OL:
Gono, McKethan, Bredeson, Hamilton, Ezeudu
Bredeson at center is interesting #Giants
Very interesting for a few reasons. Obviously Bredeson at center is the main reason and I am happy to see him showing versatility. Hopefully he is another player that proves a move to center is best for his career. The other interesting moves are McKethan at LG, Ezeudu at RT and not LG, plus Hamilton an OT at RG.
It's important to keep in mind that these could just be temporary moves to evaluate the versatility of these players and not a sign of a permanent move.
This early is almost certainly what that is. The more you can do, the more you can do.
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Andrew Thomas and Matt Peart in red jerseys (injury recovery)
1st Team OL:
Neal, Glowinski, Feliciano, Lemieux, Cunningham
2nd team OL:
Gono, McKethan, Bredeson, Hamilton, Ezeudu
Bredeson at center is interesting #Giants
Very interesting for a few reasons. Obviously Bredeson at center is the main reason and I am happy to see him showing versatility. Hopefully he is another player that proves a move to center is best for his career. The other interesting moves are McKethan at LG, Ezeudu at RT and not LG, plus Hamilton an OT at RG.
It's important to keep in mind that these could just be temporary moves to evaluate the versatility of these players and not a sign of a permanent move.
No, Ryan got those backwards... right to left.
Still a wild 2nd line.
Wow even more interesting with Ezeudu playing LT.
No, Ryan got those backwards... right to left.
I should have picked up on that with Glowinski but I was too distracted by the second line.
Yes and no.
Often times, the alignments don't change all that much. The pecking order is also useful.
It's way too early to read too much into this but I have predicted that Lemieux will be the starting LG at least at the beginning of the year so Ezeudu will likely be the primary backup G and perhaps swing tackle. If so then that is even worse new for Peart as he will have to compete with Gono for one spot. Gono can also play guard so he has that advantage over Peart.
What a dramatic fall for Peart. This time last year I was excited to see him in camp as I expected him to easily win the RT job from Solder. A year later he might lose a roster spot to Matt Gono. Yikes.
For example, in both media access practices to date, Lemieux has been the starter.
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Andrew Thomas and Matt Peart in red jerseys (injury recovery)
Listed right to left
1st Team OL:
Neal, Glowinski, Feliciano, Lemieux, Cunningham
2nd team OL:
Gono, McKethan, Bredeson, Hamilton, Ezeudu
Bredeson at center is interesting #Giants
Usually but there are exceptions. Remember back a couple of years ago when we thought that the Giants had no center then Gates stepped in with the starting unit after the draft. There were little to no indication that this was the plan and he ended up sticking there.
Unfortunately I do. The fact that they stuck with Solder all year was alarming. Peart won't fail because of a lack of size or talent. If he fails it will be due to a lack of effort and desire.
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OLB Kayvon Thibodeaux and RT Evan Neal worked at OTAs with the first team. Throwing them right into mix.
Thibodeaux would’ve had sack on one play in live drills. Pulled himself out later when he twisted to the ground. Appeared fine.
Neal more than held his own at RT. #giants
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#Giants OL coach Bobby Johnson- feliciano learned how to prep for each game from rodney hudson....great value in this and how he can help other prep..he has a daily ship on shoulder and plays with an edge - nickname him "dirtbag" because of how he plays and glowinski does, too
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Kafka—-“I’m really enjoying working with Daniel”
uh oh. Some people aren't going to like that!
Why? Do you think there are posters who believed Daboll's first comments about working with Jones would be "Man, that guy is really an a**hole!"
You know nobody on this site actively hates Daniel Jones, right?
Maybe not as a person, but some sure hate the idea that he's getting another chance (with improved OL, coaching, receiving talent, hopefully healthy SB, addition by subtraction of a certain TE who couldn't catch, etc.)
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#Giants OL coach Bobby Johnson on Neal - must balance expectations with developing him....are high expectations on him and he puts too much pressure on himself - i tell him not to do it and try to develop him
As of today Jamil Douglas is likely destined to the PS along with MBaeteka, and possibly Rivas.
I sure hope we have better options than Garcia
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#Giants OL coach Bobby Johnson- be available to get your reps...if you are not, somebody else will get those reps
Bredeson at C to save his job.
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Sure, because they signed a couple of free agents who can play center.
I sure hope we have better options than Garcia
Same here, not counting Gates or Peart being back yet I hope the backup spots are OT/G Matt Gono, LT/G Josh Ezeudu, G/C Ben Bredeson, and G Marcus McKethan.
Red jersey.
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It isn't like we have a ton of options. I don't see anything interesting with the OL outside of maybe Ezeudu at LT with the 2nd unit.
Sure, because they signed a couple of free agents who can play center.
But who? We have like all vet min guys. Feliciano was signed to be our C. After that? It's anybody's job.
It's just interesting that Brederson is playing back-up center when they signed a couple of guys who have already done it.
That's all.
Because he hasn't played center before and he's playing there over veterans Max Garcia and Jamil Douglas who have experience there.
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It's just interesting that Brederson is playing back-up center when they signed a couple of guys who have already done it.
That's all.
I am? Lol. I am just curious why others are so curious about it.
Not by me. IIRC Eric has also mentioned him multiple times as a player many fans are sleeping on.
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Bobby Johnson—“Frenchy (Shane Lemieux is doing everything I ask him to do”
Johnson calls him Frenchy because of Lemieux’s last name and skinny mustache lol. All good fun
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Bobby Johnson, #Giants O-line coach. Football guy.
Says his nickname for center Jon Feliciano is “Dirtbag” because that’s how he plays, that’s how he wants him to play.
And if guys don’t play that way, they won’t play for him.
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It isn't like we have a ton of options. I don't see anything interesting with the OL outside of maybe Ezeudu at LT with the 2nd unit.
Because he hasn't played center before and he's playing there over veterans Max Garcia and Jamil Douglas who have experience there.
That's fine. Maybe I had different expectations but Bredeson was one competing for the backup C position. I'm not sure why I have that in my head unless we saw or read about it somewhere already.
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Giants OL coach Bobby Johnson said he writes “Dirtbag” when putting center Jon Feliciano’s name on the depth chart every day. It’s a term of endearment. Johnson said his OL need to play with an edge like Feliciano or they won’t play.
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Bunch of players in red jerseys today (signifying some level of injury concern): WR Kadarius Toney, WR Kenny Golladay, WR Sterling Shepard, WR Collin Johnson, WR Richie James, WR Austin Proehl, OL Andrew Thomas, OL Nick Gates, OL Matt Peart, OL Jamil Douglas, OLB Quincy Roche…
ILB Blake Martinez, ILB Cam Brown, ILB TJ Brunson and CB Rodarius Williams.
WR Wan’Dale Robinson (rookie symposium), TE Ricky Seals-Jones (personal) and DL Dexter Lawrence (personal) were absent.
That's fine. Maybe I had different expectations but Bredeson was one competing for the backup C position. I'm not sure why I have that in my head unless we saw or read about it somewhere already.
The first minicamp before the draft was the first time that Bredeson played center and there wasn't any discussion about him moving there prior which was interesting but we didn't discuss it much because we assumed it was just a temporary thing. The fact that he's at center again is interesting and it could be a sign that Bobby Johnson likes his potential there or it could just be the new staff giving an opportunity to a player that is on the roster bubble to increase his chances by providing more versatility.
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Bunch of players in red jerseys today (signifying some level of injury concern): WR Kadarius Toney, WR Kenny Golladay, WR Sterling Shepard, WR Collin Johnson, WR Richie James, WR Austin Proehl, OL Andrew Thomas, OL Nick Gates, OL Matt Peart, OL Jamil Douglas, OLB Quincy Roche…
ILB Blake Martinez, ILB Cam Brown, ILB TJ Brunson and CB Rodarius Williams.
WR Wan’Dale Robinson (rookie symposium), TE Ricky Seals-Jones (personal) and DL Dexter Lawrence (personal) were absent.
WTF, that's basically the entire group of WR's missing. On the flip side this was a great opportunity for Slayton, Robert Foster, and David Sills to prove themselves. It sounds like Foster is the one who has taken advantage the most.
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I sure hope we have better options than Garcia
Same here, not counting Gates or Peart being back yet I hope the backup spots are OT/G Matt Gono, LT/G Josh Ezeudu, G/C Ben Bredeson, and G Marcus McKethan.
You can do a lot worse than garcia as IOL depth. He did start on a pretty good offense last year.
Bredeson at C to save his job.
Ezeudo was drafted because he is versatile. Kafka and Daboll said the playbook is coming fast, so makes sense for him to be playing both - Tackle in OTAs allows the coaches to see what he can do.
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Giants OL coach Bobby Johnson said he writes “Dirtbag” when putting center Jon Feliciano’s name on the depth chart every day. It’s a term of endearment. Johnson said his OL need to play with an edge like Feliciano or they won’t play.
Well, that doesn't sound good for Peart
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Giants OL coach Bobby Johnson said he writes “Dirtbag” when putting center Jon Feliciano’s name on the depth chart every day. It’s a term of endearment. Johnson said his OL need to play with an edge like Feliciano or they won’t play.
Well, that doesn't sound good for Peart
I wonder if he writes "Pussy" next to Peart's name.
When it comes to OL, "Dirtbag" >>> "Pussy".
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Azeez Ojulari said he bulked up to 255 (was 245 before).
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Ojulari said you can’t get away with just speed in the NFL. You need power.
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Leonard Williams said he’s been paying special attention to Thibodeaux. “I’m liking what I’m seeing so far.” He’s one of the first people to volunteer for things in practice, which Williams notices.
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Leonard Williams praises Thibodeaux’s pass rush IQ. He knows when to speed around the corner or beat someone inside. He can read offensive linemen’s sets.
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Leo said he knew about Wink’s aggressive reputation on the field. But what about his personality? Leo said he is one of the funniest guys on defense. He has a great sense of humor, which creates a family atmosphere.
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That has been my thought all along. Ojalari did fantastic last year while offenses schemed around him so he did it all without a lick of help by having another pass threat. Now all the focus of the opposition will be in stopping Thibs so Ojalari should have an easier path to the QB. If he gets double digit sacks, we are headed in a nice direction.
In fact, there are lots of things that get presented as fact here that don't match reality.
If he's healthy, he'll be starting on the OL.
Not just Ojulari but Leonard Williams will likely benefit the most from Thibodeaux's presence. Teams will not be able to double team him as frequently as they have with Thibodeaux outside. If Ojulari takes a big leap forward too then the defense can be a very good unit.
In fact, there are lots of things that get presented as fact here that don't match reality.
If he's healthy, he'll be starting on the OL.
When Lemieux stepped into the starting lineup as a rookie the running game took off. Lemieux was a much better run blocker especially when he was asked to pull. Lemieux did struggle in pass protection and he needed to improve there if he wanted to be a complete guard. Unfortunately last season we didn't get to see the progress he made in that area but I have little doubt that he will be an average guard in pass protection. I'm not sure if he will ever be good in that area but he can still be a very solid starting guard if he continues to improve in both areas.
That has been my thought all along. Ojalari did fantastic last year while offenses schemed around him so he did it all without a lick of help by having another pass threat. Now all the focus of the opposition will be in stopping Thibs so Ojalari should have an easier path to the QB. If he gets double digit sacks, we are headed in a nice direction.
I like Ojulari and I am confident that he will be a good player for the Giantsnow that he's not the alpa pass rusher but he was far from fantastic last year. He was their best pass rusher but he wasn't a consistent player. With the exception of a play or two a game he didn't really stand out. With that said he was a rookie who is still just 21 years old. He needed time to add muscle to his frame which he noticeably did this offseason but let's not inflate his production last year.
In fact, there are lots of things that get presented as fact here that don't match reality.
If he's healthy, he'll be starting on the OL.
I'm not sure what the narrative is, but he became the starter by being the best of a terrible group of players and the Giants have better talent to compete for time at LG now. I'm looking forward to seeing how that competition goes but fool's bet to think it's already decided in may.
From afar, it just seems like there much positive energy in that building at the moment.
The coaching staff also doesnt have a vested interest in Lemieux so if one of the FA or rookies are even with him I think they will get the nod over Lemieux.
The OL coach also talked about reps, injured players are going to have an uphill battle because of reps it seems.
In fact, there are lots of things that get presented as fact here that don't match reality.
If he's healthy, he'll be starting on the OL.
But it’s okay for you to present things as fact...
Tell me Thibs is not going to make LW and Ojulari more productive. I am too excited, too soon. Talk me down.
Wink's philosophy is much different than Graham's, fortunately, so we will see what happens differently.
From afar, it just seems like there much positive energy in that building at the moment.
I think the staff has been pretty tepid with praise. Unless I have missed something it seems to focus on that he is a "hard worker", "teammates respect him" and "picks things up". Pretty similar to what has always been said about him.
Not "he is going to be really good", "he has everything you need in a QB", etc.
I like Olijari recognizing he needed to add power and did something about it this offseason.
I'm not sure what the narrative is, but he became the starter by being the best of a terrible group of players and the Giants have better talent to compete for time at LG now. I'm looking forward to seeing how that competition goes but fool's bet to think it's already decided in may.
Oh he's definitely not set as the starting LG but many of us expect him to be the starter there. Will he finish the season as the starter is a different story.
Let's hope that Lemieux earns the LG spot and keeps it so that will keep Ezeudu on the bench where he provides good depth at both guard and tackle. Then he can be groomed as Glowinski's replacement in 2-3 years.
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I'm not sure what the narrative is, but he became the starter by being the best of a terrible group of players and the Giants have better talent to compete for time at LG now. I'm looking forward to seeing how that competition goes but fool's bet to think it's already decided in may.
Oh he's definitely not set as the starting LG but many of us expect him to be the starter there. Will he finish the season as the starter is a different story.
Let's hope that Lemieux earns the LG spot and keeps it so that will keep Ezeudu on the bench where he provides good depth at both guard and tackle. Then he can be groomed as Glowinski's replacement in 2-3 years.
I'm hoping Ezeudu wins the job, and McKethan is Glowinski's eventual replacement in a year or two.
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I'm not sure what the narrative is, but he became the starter by being the best of a terrible group of players and the Giants have better talent to compete for time at LG now. I'm looking forward to seeing how that competition goes but fool's bet to think it's already decided in may.
Oh he's definitely not set as the starting LG but many of us expect him to be the starter there. Will he finish the season as the starter is a different story.
Let's hope that Lemieux earns the LG spot and keeps it so that will keep Ezeudu on the bench where he provides good depth at both guard and tackle. Then he can be groomed as Glowinski's replacement in 2-3 years.
Lemiuex's pass blocking will determine whether or not he starts. That's clearly this staff's first priority. The best pass protector of Garcia, Lemiuex, Ezeudu and maybe Gates will be the starter at LG. Maybe Bredeson/Douglas have a say in that too.
if Lemiuex doesn't start I'd like to see him get some looks as a goaline FB. his ability to hit moving targets in the run game was definitely a factor at the end of 2020.
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It has been stated more than once that we fans are not going to recognize this offense. Really curious about that and how Jones blossoms. This staff has gone out of their way to be complimentary of him.
From afar, it just seems like there much positive energy in that building at the moment.
I think the staff has been pretty tepid with praise. Unless I have missed something it seems to focus on that he is a "hard worker", "teammates respect him" and "picks things up". Pretty similar to what has always been said about him.
Not "he is going to be really good", "he has everything you need in a QB", etc.
Tepid? Maybe. But haven’t they also spoken about his athletic ability, good arm, running ability, leadership etc.
You want to make the argument they aren t sincere, ok. But seems to me they have spoken too often of him to not be sincere in believing there is a chance can win with him
But that wasn’t my point. As a Jones fan I am excited to see him play in this system, ….but even such a vanilla take gets push back here. It s as if any positivity spoken about this particular player never goes well.
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Daniel Jones on Brian Daboll’s messaging to be aggressive and not be afraid of making mistakes: “Be aggressive, take your shots … and let the receivers know we’re going to give you opportunities to make plays.” #Giants
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I'm hoping Ezeudu wins the job, and McKethan is Glowinski's eventual replacement in a year or two.
I don't have high expectations for McKethan but his size is exciting. I don't think he will be a starting caliber player due to his pass protection issues. Ezeudu on the other hand is a very interesting prospect but it would be more comforting knowing that they have a good young OL on the bench as depth that can fill in admirably at both guard and tackle if the need arises.
Say what you want about the offensive linemen added but the Giants have not had this quality depth in a long time.
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Jones said it’s not about being aimlessly aggressive. It’s about understanding the situation and knowing when and when not to take chances.
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#Giants #Jones - there is a healthy balance between how he sees a play and how daboll sees it....there can be specific differences on certain plays
I think I go out of my way to show how important the team and coaching is to any QB and his performance. Jones has lacked both. Remains to be seen the upside. Reality is the staff is a unknown for now and until the OL does perform we can't count on that either.
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I'm hoping Ezeudu wins the job, and McKethan is Glowinski's eventual replacement in a year or two.
I don't have high expectations for McKethan but his size is exciting. I don't think he will be a starting caliber player due to his pass protection issues. Ezeudu on the other hand is a very interesting prospect but it would be more comforting knowing that they have a good young OL on the bench as depth that can fill in admirably at both guard and tackle if the need arises.
Say what you want about the offensive linemen added but the Giants have not had this quality depth in a long time.
I don't want the 67th pick of the draft sitting on the bench. He wasn't drafted to be an insurance policy. There are plenty of vets who can provide depth at OG, just in case Ezeudu is pressed into service at OT.
I think you are correct. In 2020 in BAL he seemed to mostly play DE, and in the games he played he was between 30-50% of the snaps (that was the #2 defense). Seems likely he will be a 50% snaps player here.
here were winks front 7 30% plus players in BAL in 2020:
Queen - 80%
Calais - 60% (*approx. in the 12 games he played)
Wolfe - 58%
Judon - 53%
Bowser - 51%
McPhee - 43%
LJ fort - 36% (*still a UFA)
Ellis - 33%
B Williams 33%
Ngakoue 33%
Equating this to NYG personnel you'd think Martinez, Williams, Lawrence are locks to be the equivalents of the top 3 spots.
Judon, Bowser, McPhee, Ngakoue should = Thibs, Ojulari, Ward, Smith/Roche/Coughlin
1 other meaningful thing I can't help but continue to mention, Chuck Clark was #1 in snaps for Wink. I strongly suspect he's going to be a post-june 1 trade pickup. If Wink can get his hands on his green dot from Baltimore, at a reasonable salary for 2 years, for a day 3 pick equivalent that's at best an equivalent of Dane Belton, doesn't that seem like a no brainer?
This is a good thing, not a bad thing.
I don't want the 67th pick of the draft sitting on the bench. He wasn't drafted to be an insurance policy. There are plenty of vets who can provide depth at OG, just in case Ezeudu is pressed into service at OT.
He was a 3rd round pick and the draft is always about the future. I want Ezeudu to be a starter one day but I would much rather have Lemieux earn the LG job. Why would anyone not want an abundance of good offensive linemen? I would never want to go into a season needing a rookie 3rd round pick to contribute immediately.
This is a good thing, not a bad thing.
I never said it was good or bad. I said it was what I hoped would happen, primarily because of the investment in Ezeudu.
This is a good thing, not a bad thing.
Exactly. If Ezeudu outplays Lemieux then he will start. The new staff has no ties to Lemieux so they won't hesitate to replace him if needed.
I think I go out of my way to show how important the team and coaching is to any QB and his performance. Jones has lacked both. Remains to be seen the upside. Reality is the staff is a unknown for now and until the OL does perform we can't count on that either.
I understand , and agree that a coach changing the mindset of an athlete, especially a quarterback can make a huge difference
The play calling on this team the past 2 years showed no confidence in Jones.
Make or break this season, Jones knows it, could change everything, especially with early success
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If the rookie beats out Lemieux, he will start. But it sounds like the coaches like Lemieux too.
This is a good thing, not a bad thing.
I never said it was good or bad. I said it was what I hoped would happen, primarily because of the investment in Ezeudu.
Well I hope that both Lemieux and Ezeudu play well and deserve to start. I would be disappointed if Max Garcia is the starting LG week one.
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I don't want the 67th pick of the draft sitting on the bench. He wasn't drafted to be an insurance policy. There are plenty of vets who can provide depth at OG, just in case Ezeudu is pressed into service at OT.
He was a 3rd round pick and the draft is always about the future. I want Ezeudu to be a starter one day but I would much rather have Lemieux earn the LG job. Why would anyone not want an abundance of good offensive linemen? I would never want to go into a season needing a rookie 3rd round pick to contribute immediately.
3rd round picks start all the time. If he's the best man for the job he ought to start. Shane Lemieux is hardly Quentin Nelson.
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3rd round picks start all the time. If he's the best man for the job he ought to start. Shane Lemieux is hardly Quentin Nelson.
The majority of them do not start week one. I never said Lemieux is a great player let alone Quenton Nelson. All I am saying is that I hope that both Lemieux and Ezeudu deserve to start but Lemieux earns the starting job because it's his 3rd season. Ezeudu is also more versatile than Lemieux so he makes more sense as a backup as he can play every position but center. That's value that the Giants don't usually have. How great would it be if the Giants future starting OL is:
LT Andrew Thomas
LG Shane Lemieux
C Nick Gates
RG Josh Ezeudu
RT Evan Neal
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Feliciano and Glowinski are both nasty guys also. These are the type of attitudes that I've wanted the Giants to bring in for the offensive line for years. They haven't had that since the days of Diehl, Seubert, and Snee.
They need more pieces at Edge and DL.
If he's healthy that's the next focus. It is going to take time for him to get his strength back to where it was. Even if he is fully cleared I think that the Giants will consider playing it safe with Gates by keeping him on the bench for the first few weeks of the season.
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There is a lot of good stuff in this report.
They need more pieces at Edge and DL.
I expect them to use an early pick on a defensive lineman in next years draft. I bet that Schoen would have stayed at 36 and taken Logan Hall if he was still on the board. After this season only Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence are locks to be on the roster but Lawrence will be entering the final year of his contract.
Out of all the draft picks DJ Davidson was my least favorite one but now I hope that he can at least provide value as a rotational NT. They need to invest assets next offseason into this unit even if one of these UDFA's or FA's exceed expectations.
I think they made a change a few years ago to do smaller groups instead of all rookies at once. If that's the case I don't know why they don't cluster teams in groups when they dont have OTAs.
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3rd round picks start all the time. If he's the best man for the job he ought to start. Shane Lemieux is hardly Quentin Nelson.
The majority of them do not start week one. I never said Lemieux is a great player let alone Quenton Nelson. All I am saying is that I hope that both Lemieux and Ezeudu deserve to start but Lemieux earns the starting job because it's his 3rd season. Ezeudu is also more versatile than Lemieux so he makes more sense as a backup as he can play every position but center. That's value that the Giants don't usually have. How great would it be if the Giants future starting OL is:
LT Andrew Thomas
LG Shane Lemieux
C Nick Gates
RG Josh Ezeudu
RT Evan Neal
Why do you insist on putting Ezeudu at RG, a position he never played in college?
Anyway, Damien Lewis was the 69th pick of his draft and he started from day one in Seattle. Jonah Jackson was the 76th pick of his draft and did the same in Detroit. Tyre Phillips, pick #106 for Baltimore, won the starting job in camp, but then got hurt. It happens more often than you think, especially when the rookie goes to team where the competition is weak.
And why should Lemieux get the nod just because it's his third season? Are we back to scholarships now?
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But obviously has a long way to go just to try to get back into football shape. I wouldn't look for any contribution this year.
If he's healthy that's the next focus. It is going to take time for him to get his strength back to where it was. Even if he is fully cleared I think that the Giants will consider playing it safe with Gates by keeping him on the bench for the first few weeks of the season.
I think the time frame is a lot further out. Did you watch the video clip of him? He's carrying a lot of bad weight, and has lost most of his muscle tone. I would expect something more like a minimum of 4 to 6 months just to get back in shape. The rehab on his injury must limit what he's able to do to work out, and even after he gets back in shape, there are the questions of whether the leg can stand up to football, and if he is still able to perform at a high enough level to play in the NFL.
I would expect a red shirt year to see if he can come back to the team.
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Giants will have a pass rush, largely due to Thibs talent and the trickle down effect to the others. Leo's terrific at 3-4 DE, Dexter has his moments. I'm not a huge Ojulari fan (he has to show me he's more than a Patriots contain DE).
They need more pieces at Edge and DL.
I expect them to use an early pick on a defensive lineman in next years draft. I bet that Schoen would have stayed at 36 and taken Logan Hall if he was still on the board. After this season only Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence are locks to be on the roster but Lawrence will be entering the final year of his contract.
Out of all the draft picks DJ Davidson was my least favorite one but now I hope that he can at least provide value as a rotational NT. They need to invest assets next offseason into this unit even if one of these UDFA's or FA's exceed expectations.
#36 on Hall, I'd wager you are correct. That's whom I was watching until he was picked.
They need DL, and interested to see what their DL choices look like moving forward. Because the last regime didn't seem to have a plan.
As he should, and I hope it's Ezeudu.
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As he should, and I hope it's Ezeudu.
I think i'd actually consider him the favorite because his strength seems to be pass pro. all of the new regime's actions seem geared towards that as the priority. "width in the pocket".
i liked lemiuex, saw flashes from bredeson, and don't discount that garcia has started a lot of games but none of them seem known for pass pro.
ezeudu was only credited with 2 sacks in his whole college career and they came this past year when he spent almost 300 snaps at LT (don't know if they came at guard or tackle).
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Some notes from today's OTA:
• Ton of empty sets and pre-snap motion in this offense. A healthy Saquon is going to catch a ton of passes. Jones was getting the ball out quick, lot of RPOs.
• Saquon was lined up in the slot on one play with Matt Breida in the backfield and ran a deep post. Julian Love intercepted Daniel Jones on that play, don't believe Saquon was the target.
• Tyrod Taylor had the throw the day, a bomb to Robert Foster over UDFA CB Zyon Gilbert
Depth chart is pretty messy at this point with so many guys limited/sidelined, but here goes:
1 OL: LT Cunningham, LG Lemieux, C Feliciano, RG Glowinski, RT Neal
2 OL: LT Hamilton, LG Ezeudu, C Bredeson/Garcia (alternated), McKethan, RT Gono. McKethan also got work at #3 RT.
1D: DL Williams, DL Ju. Ellis, OLB Thibodeaux, OLB Ojulari, ILB Martinez, ILB Crowder, CB Jackson, CB Robinson, Slot CB Holmes, S McKinney, S Love.
2D: DL Moa, DL Davidson, OLB Ward, OLB Smith, ILB Brown, ILB Coughlin, CB Gilbert, CB Evans, Slot CB Flott, S Williams, S Belton.
3D: DL Hinton, DL Holmes, OLB Ximines, OLB Lalos, ILB Brunson, ILB Hilliard, CB Jacquet, CB Canady, Slot CB Dorsey, S Corker, S Black.
Recorded D lineups during install period, so guys in red jerseys like Martinez and Brown sat out the live team periods.
They need more pieces at Edge and DL.
Jon, Thibs might be the one... Kill me. I do this every single year.
I think i'd actually consider him the favorite because his strength seems to be pass pro. all of the new regime's actions seem geared towards that as the priority. "width in the pocket".
This is a good point that I didn't consider. It will come down to pass protection. If Lemieux doesn't show noticeable improvement in pass protection then Ezeudu will likely be the starting LG week one. It will be very interesting to see how they line up in training camp. It will be very telling if Ezeudu continues see time at tackle.
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Why were Thibodeaux and Neal at practice today and not at the "mandatory" rookie symposium with Robinson?
I think they made a change a few years ago to do smaller groups instead of all rookies at once. If that's the case I don't know why they don't cluster teams in groups when they dont have OTAs.
I see, it would have made far more sense to schedule this around teams OTA's. There are already too few offseason practices.
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Lemieux not only working as the No. 1 LG, he’s not even in a red jersey. Appears to be totally recovered from the patellar injury.
Need more quality back-ups on defense.
Need offense to score more points to take pressure off this defense.
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• Saquon was lined up in the slot on one play with Matt Breida in the backfield and ran a deep post.
for teams with RBs capable of it. purely from an economics standpoint RBs are more than 50% cheaper, so if you have one who can function as a WR, why not do so? That makes them more valuable. Aaron Jones in GB has sort of functioned as a primary target for Rodgers whenever Davante Adams missed games.
the free market will adapt to that - but the tags won't until that happens and the nyg have 2 years of tags they can use on Barkley.
Why do you insist on putting Ezeudu at RG, a position he never played in college?
Anyway, Damien Lewis was the 69th pick of his draft and he started from day one in Seattle. Jonah Jackson was the 76th pick of his draft and did the same in Detroit. Tyre Phillips, pick #106 for Baltimore, won the starting job in camp, but then got hurt. It happens more often than you think, especially when the rookie goes to team where the competition is weak.
And why should Lemieux get the nod just because it's his third season? Are we back to scholarships now?
In that scenario Lemieux would already be the starting LG where he spent his entire college career and he has started there in the NFL next to Andrew Thomas so I put Ezeudu at RG because of continuity on the left side.
I never that 3rd round rookie offensive linemen don't start. What I said was that I don't want to go into a season needing a rookie 3rd round to start because that can go very wrong. Also the majority of rookie 3rd round picks don't start.
Once again I want whoever plays the best to start at LG and again I hope that they both do because then it is a great problem to have. Lemieux has hardly ever played on the right side either but it is far easier to go from LG to RG than it is to go from G to T or T to G. Ezeudu could easily make the transition over and he will have to get comfortable there if he doesn't earn a starting job.
Now you're doing the ridiculous nonsense of twisting what I said. I said I would prefer Lemieux starts if he earns it because he is more experienced and he in entering a critical season in his career. I never said he should start just because he's entering his 3rd season that's ridiculous and you know I didn't mean that.
You are acting like I insulted you when all I said was that I hope that Lemieux earns the starting LG spot but Ezeudu plays well too because then the Giants have good depth along the OL. Ezeudu is more versatile than Lemieux too so having that asset on the bench when the need arises will be very beneficial.
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I don't want the 67th pick of the draft sitting on the bench. He wasn't drafted to be an insurance policy. There are plenty of vets who can provide depth at OG, just in case Ezeudu is pressed into service at OT.
He was a 3rd round pick and the draft is always about the future. I want Ezeudu to be a starter one day but I would much rather have Lemieux earn the LG job. Why would anyone not want an abundance of good offensive linemen? I would never want to go into a season needing a rookie 3rd round pick to contribute immediately.
I think everyone wants the best player to play and the coaches not force a guy into the lineup because of his status. Wouldnt it show improvement on the OL if the incumbent is beaten out by the rookie or even a FA? Lemieux is still like a 2nd year player since he pretty much missed all of last year. If Ezeudo is the better player I want him starting. I am hoping he is the better player because it makes us better and I assume coaches want the best players on the field out of merit not out of favoritism.
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• Saquon was lined up in the slot on one play with Matt Breida in the backfield and ran a deep post.
for teams with RBs capable of it. purely from an economics standpoint RBs are more than 50% cheaper, so if you have one who can function as a WR, why not do so? That makes them more valuable. Aaron Jones in GB has sort of functioned as a primary target for Rodgers whenever Davante Adams missed games.
the free market will adapt to that - but the tags won't until that happens and the nyg have 2 years of tags they can use on Barkley.
Yeah, that’s what we should be doing...tagging Barkley
I think everyone wants the best player to play and the coaches not force a guy into the lineup because of his status. Wouldnt it show improvement on the OL if the incumbent is beaten out by the rookie or even a FA? Lemieux is still like a 2nd year player since he pretty much missed all of last year. If Ezeudo is the better player I want him starting. I am hoping he is the better player because it makes us better and I assume coaches want the best players on the field out of merit not out of favoritism.
Lemieux wasn't part of the disastrous OL last season so it is unfair to lump him in with them. The OL played it's best during the 2020 season when Lemieux was in the lineup. Again as Eric on LI pointed out it will likely come down to the pass protection. If Lemieux doesn't show improvement there then I don't want him starting at LG. If Ezeudu is significantly better than him in that area then I want him to start.
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• Saquon was lined up in the slot on one play with Matt Breida in the backfield and ran a deep post.
for teams with RBs capable of it. purely from an economics standpoint RBs are more than 50% cheaper, so if you have one who can function as a WR, why not do so? That makes them more valuable. Aaron Jones in GB has sort of functioned as a primary target for Rodgers whenever Davante Adams missed games.
the free market will adapt to that - but the tags won't until that happens and the nyg have 2 years of tags they can use on Barkley.
Yeah, that’s what we should be doing...tagging Barkley
do you ever get sick of misunderstanding the franchise tag?
how is it so hard to grasp the fact that it's a low risk option year almost every organization utilizes occasionally and every organization uses the 5th year rookie options which are functionally the same thing as the transition tag and widely regarded as a benefit to first round picks?
can you relay this post to all your other handles so this can be the last time?
the new regime kept Barkley around on his 5YO so apparently not just me.
the offer doesn't matter if he viewed the contract as a negative asset - any offer removes it from the cap.
Maybe all those suitors weren’t thinking about the huge future opportunity they would have to tag him....
I also don't believe that a guy who played the majority of his college games at LG (with a little LT and RT thrown in for good measure) should be moved to RG for the sake of "continuity," whatever that means. I would hope the Giants are done trying to fit square pegs into round holes.
Now, I reread one of your posts and I was wrong about the scholarship thing. You did not state that Lemieux should start because of his time-in-service. For that I apologize.
Besides we have seen our other Guards play and there is certainly nothing special they bring to the table…
He would also have to beat out Lemieux and Garcia. Experience matters a lot for coaches. Lemieux knows what he's doing, and Max Garcia was decent enough to make the probowl as an alternate. That is not nothing.
If Ezeudu wins a starting job as a rookie on merit, it's a triumph for the front office. If he doesn't, it's by no means a failure in any way.
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Giants will have a pass rush, largely due to Thibs talent and the trickle down effect to the others. Leo's terrific at 3-4 DE, Dexter has his moments. I'm not a huge Ojulari fan (he has to show me he's more than a Patriots contain DE).
They need more pieces at Edge and DL.
I expect them to use an early pick on a defensive lineman in next years draft. I bet that Schoen would have stayed at 36 and taken Logan Hall if he was still on the board. After this season only Leonard Williams and Dexter Lawrence are locks to be on the roster but Lawrence will be entering the final year of his contract.
Out of all the draft picks DJ Davidson was my least favorite one but now I hope that he can at least provide value as a rotational NT. They need to invest assets next offseason into this unit even if one of these UDFA's or FA's exceed expectations.
#36 on Hall, I'd wager you are correct. That's whom I was watching until he was picked.
They need DL, and interested to see what their DL choices look like moving forward. Because the last regime didn't seem to have a plan.
I wanted Hall at #36, but would have been surprised if he made it to us.
I also don't believe that a guy who played the majority of his college games at LG (with a little LT and RT thrown in for good measure) should be moved to RG for the sake of "continuity," whatever that means. I would hope the Giants are done trying to fit square pegs into round holes.
Why are you pretending that you don't know what continuity means? Coughlin used to discuss it often as it was a one of the reasons why the Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, Snee, and McKenzie line was so good. Here is a couple of articles about OL continuity if you really don't know what it means.
https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/news/new-york-giants-offensive-line-looking-to-build-continuity
https://nypost.com/2016/05/31/o-line-continuity-which-every-team-craves-could-bite-giants/
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/05/new-york-giants-finally-have-continuity-along-the-offensive-line/
https://www.giants.com/news/o-line-continuity-will-be-key-to-success-19117220
https://www.rotoviz.com/2021/03/offensive-line-continuity-landscape-ahead-2021-nfl-draft/
See we actually agree that the best man should start which is what you are missing. I just want both players to be good and deserve to start which I imagine you would want too.
In addition, the Giants have committed to Mark Glowinski for at least another two years. The guy they should be grooming to eventually replace him is McKethan, not Ezeudu.
Cohesion is what the Giants should be shooting for as they develop their new O-Line. That's not going to happen overnight, and even if they get it done this year, it may suffer again next year as some vets are released and newer pieces are added (particularly at OC). Continuity is something you shoot for after you have five guys cemented in place for the long-term. The Giants aren't even close to worrying about that yet.
In addition, the Giants have committed to Mark Glowinski for at least another two years. The guy they should be grooming to eventually replace him is McKethan, not Ezeudu.
Cohesion is what the Giants should be shooting for as they develop their new O-Line. That's not going to happen overnight, and even if they get it done this year, it may suffer again next year as some vets are released and newer pieces are added (particularly at OC). Continuity is something you shoot for after you have five guys cemented in place for the long-term. The Giants aren't even close to worrying about that yet.
Continuity is continuity. I never said to play Ezeudu at RG I said if Lemieux earns and keeps the LG spot then the Giants would have the opportunity for Ezeudu to play the RG spot. Chris Snee played RG here for a long time and he was the most athletic interior OL on the team.
Now if Lemieux and Ezeudu become starting caliber players then they can flip Lemieux and Ezeudu wherever they fit in best with the new scheme. I don't understand why on earth you're acting like it's insane to expect a guard to play both guard spots. So it's reasonable for Ezeudu to play LG, LT and RT but RG is just an insane proposition? Ignoring the fact that Ezeudu has played on the right side before it is far more difficult to go from tackle to guard or guard to tackle than it is to go from LG to RG. We've witnessed numerous guards play both spots for the Giants most recently Lemieux, Hernandez, Seubert, Diehl, Whittle, Boothe, etc.