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Anakim : 5/19/2022 9:34 am
Yes, another one of these threads. What are you guys going to do? The market continues to keep plunge. I don't even want to say how much I've lost in the last few months. Will you guys pull out or are you going to stay in hoping it will turn around sooner or later?
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Sit and wait  
spike : 5/19/2022 9:36 am : link
Buy more if opportunity js there, but strategy depends on your retirement time horizon
I aint doing shit  
djm : 5/19/2022 9:36 am : link
anyone 50 and under isn't likely to do much unless you're on your own investment plan/portfolio. Ride it out...same shit different decade.

If I was 7-8 years older i'd be bugging right now.
you haven't lost the money unless you sold  
UConn4523 : 5/19/2022 9:37 am : link
it's shitty for older folks but the younger crowd shouldn't panic, and continue to contribute, even bump up contributions if they can afford it.

The big correction was coming, homes will be next to some capacity. Just be wise with your money and don't invest more than you can afford being tied up for a couple of years.
Fear I have right now..  
moze1021 : 5/19/2022 9:38 am : link
is self fulfilling prophecy of recession...

Everyone saying "recession is coming", so people say "you know what, I'm not going to... buy that new car, hire that contractor for my kitchen remodel, go on that big trip, etc, etc".. then boom, we're in a recession
you only lose if you sell  
GMAN4LIFE : 5/19/2022 9:39 am : link
ride it out.

It was so much worse in 2008  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/19/2022 9:39 am : link
I almost sold near the bottom. It would have been the worst decision I could have made.
You only lose money when you sell  
uconn18 : 5/19/2022 9:39 am : link
The market went down over 30% in 2020 and if you sold then you would have missed out on doubling you money in a span of a couple years (based on S&P or Total Market Index’s).

If you really need to calm your nerves, I try and think of it as a sale.
I will continue to buy more at the sale price and be happy I can get this deal.
Anak -  
short lease : 5/19/2022 9:41 am : link
Remember the end of the world in 2007/2008? And then again in 2010?

This country knows 2 things .... War and how to make money.

Leave it in ... matter of fact if you have a 401k plan or IRA - I would keep funding it as normal like I did in 2007 and 2010. Think of it as a sale - you will get more funds/stocks for your dollar today.

It will come back ... it always comes back. IN 10 - 15 years we will see a 50,000 point DOW.
RE: It was so much worse in 2008  
short lease : 5/19/2022 9:46 am : link
In comment 15713119 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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I almost sold near the bottom. It would have been the worst decision I could have made.


+1

"Be fearful when every one else is greedy. Be Greedy when everyone else is Fearful"

-Warren Buffett



Buffett just increased his holdings this week that included Chevron, Apple, and a few other companies. Google it.

I think the only company he sold (and owned since 1989) was Wells Fargo?
It depends on the stocks  
Vanzetti : 5/19/2022 9:48 am : link
All those tech stocks and alternative energy stocks that climbed to five or 10 times their pre-pandemic value. Those are never coming back up to their bubble levels. So I would sell those at the next rise. Stocks lle Twilio.

Also IPOs that skyrocketed and then I’ve been steadily declining for six months or a year, get rid of those

Value stocks you should just hold and wait out the market they will come back up.



you don't sell after things get hammered  
KDavies : 5/19/2022 9:49 am : link
you buy after things get hammered. Buy low, sell high. If you are nowhere close to retirement, don't worry about it. If you are that close to retirement, you shouldn't have money you are need to live off in the stock market in the first place.

Buy more shares when the market is down, and once it comes back, you will be thrilled you did.
max out your 401k if you can  
cjac : 5/19/2022 9:49 am : link
during these down markets.

Also bonds are starting to get yieldy again, its a good place to park some money.
Good to see  
JB_in_DC : 5/19/2022 9:52 am : link
sound, sensible advice in here.

For a lot of people, this is their first real bear market. Its scary, but it will be okay.
RE: you don't sell after things get hammered  
short lease : 5/19/2022 9:56 am : link
In comment 15713149 KDavies said:
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you buy after things get hammered. Buy low, sell high. If you are nowhere close to retirement, don't worry about it. If you are that close to retirement, you shouldn't have money you are need to live off in the stock market in the first place.

Buy more shares when the market is down, and once it comes back, you will be thrilled you did.



+1

Absolutely right. It takes discipline sometimes though to practice this strategy but, without it everyone would be buying HIGH and selling LOW.

IF you are a long term investor (vs. a short term trader) - these are the times to stock up. There is a fire sale going on out there.
RE: Good to see  
KDavies : 5/19/2022 9:57 am : link
In comment 15713160 JB_in_DC said:
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sound, sensible advice in here.

For a lot of people, this is their first real bear market. Its scary, but it will be okay.


Just had one two years ago, so you'd have to be a brand new investor for it to be the first.
Let’s hope the bottom is in  
mattlawson : 5/19/2022 9:57 am : link
I’d love to see a rally by tomorrow
RE: RE: Good to see  
JB_in_DC : 5/19/2022 10:01 am : link
In comment 15713173 KDavies said:
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In comment 15713160 JB_in_DC said:


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sound, sensible advice in here.

For a lot of people, this is their first real bear market. Its scary, but it will be okay.



Just had one two years ago, so you'd have to be a brand new investor for it to be the first.


Pandemic spurred a lot of interest. 15% of investors started during 2020
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I hope we are putting a bottom in at 3850 in the S&P  
PatersonPlank : 5/19/2022 10:02 am : link
If you are terrified then sell, so I can buy your stock.
Also don't confuse the prospective, non-revenue earning high-tech stocks that are getting hammered, with the big tech stocks that are making money are have very strong businesses and cash flow. Stocks like Google, MSoft, Amazon, and Apple will all come out of this strong. The Robinhoods and Snowflakes will die.
Hard to do on some of these down days, but hold fast  
Pork Chop : 5/19/2022 10:05 am : link
Sell covered calls...  
Gmen703 : 5/19/2022 10:10 am : link
Buy puts. Make some money on this contraction.
RE: Let’s hope the bottom is in  
cjac : 5/19/2022 10:10 am : link
In comment 15713176 mattlawson said:
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I’d love to see a rally by tomorrow


We are no where near the bottom, the dow will go below 30,000. And the pain is going to continue for a couple of years. I cant point to anything that will turn this around.
RE: RE: Let’s hope the bottom is in  
uconn18 : 5/19/2022 10:21 am : link
In comment 15713198 cjac said:
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In comment 15713176 mattlawson said:


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I’d love to see a rally by tomorrow



We are no where near the bottom, the dow will go below 30,000. And the pain is going to continue for a couple of years. I cant point to anything that will turn this around.


I think this advice can be dangerous to some people.
If people think it’s a guarantee that the market will go down more, they might sell now and try to buy at the bottom.

It might be safer to say it could go down and it could go up, just keep buying because long term the market will rise.
RE: RE: Let’s hope the bottom is in  
PatersonPlank : 5/19/2022 10:25 am : link
In comment 15713198 cjac said:
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In comment 15713176 mattlawson said:


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I’d love to see a rally by tomorrow



We are no where near the bottom, the dow will go below 30,000. And the pain is going to continue for a couple of years. I cant point to anything that will turn this around.


How can you know that? It may not be "the bottom", but we are getting close. Stating speculation as fact is worse in financial suggestions than it is in stupid football threads.
Anak  
Mook80 : 5/19/2022 10:26 am : link
you're way too young and also too intelligent to even think about pulling out of the market. Unless you're trading daily, stop looking at your portfolio every day. You will be much better off. Keep your money in
also  
Mook80 : 5/19/2022 10:29 am : link
you haven't lost anything in the last few months. You only lose if you sell now. Ride it out, you have literally decades until you retire, looking at it as you've lost money in the last few weeks or months is silly.
There's a pretty solid chance at a period of recession  
Heisenberg : 5/19/2022 10:33 am : link
So I think there's room for prices to run down for a bit more.

Your 401k should still be buying stocks. And it might be a bit late to get a big return from re allocating to stable investments for the rest of the nest egg but you might consider it.
market  
mikeypgiants giants : 5/19/2022 10:34 am : link
I had the forethought to blow every nickel I ever made, so I haven't lost in the stock market.
I dont KNOW anything  
cjac : 5/19/2022 10:36 am : link
i'm giving my opinion. Maybe that was poorly worded

I feel like we are now where near the bottom. In 2008, we knew it was the housing bubble, in 2020, it was the covid lockdown.

Right now, there are too many factors contributing to this and not one thing thats going to fix all the problems going on right now. (the war, the supply chain problems with China lockdowns, the Fed printing money and chasing inflation)

So in my opinion, this thing is not going to turn around any time soon.

Just how I feel about it from what i'm reading and hearing and seeing. I'm not an expert on this.

Just like in my opinion Daniel Jones sucks, I HOPE I"M WRONG about that and this
ALSO  
cjac : 5/19/2022 10:37 am : link
just because i said we're not near the bottom, I didnt tell anyone to sell anything, i said max out your 401k if you can in this down market.
I  
AcidTest : 5/19/2022 10:39 am : link
hate the stock market. Target posts a 52% drop in profits for the first quarter and the stock immediately declines by a whopping 25%. Target is a great company. No shit their profits went down dramatically. They are exquisitely sensitive to supply chain disruptions. I suppose that creates investing opportunities, but its childish, unwarranted, and dangerous.
if you have dividend stocks, think of the compound interest  
GMAN4LIFE : 5/19/2022 10:42 am : link
you are getting.
Figuring on retiring in January  
Sec 103 : 5/19/2022 10:43 am : link
So this crap is killing me right now, and Mrs. 103 is seeking shelter... I an going to hang on and trust the cycle again, this one may take a few years to get right, hopefully it won't sink more cause I don't know if I can take Mrs. 103 anymore. I'd hate to keep working past March next year though...
RE: ALSO  
uconn18 : 5/19/2022 10:46 am : link
In comment 15713235 cjac said:
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just because i said we're not near the bottom, I didnt tell anyone to sell anything, i said max out your 401k if you can in this down market.

All good! I say that you said that so I know your being smart.
I know your just bracing that things can get worse which is definitely true.

I just don’t want a new young investor to interpret that statement as it “will definitely go down some more so I should wait to buy then”
RE: also  
Anakim : 5/19/2022 10:47 am : link
In comment 15713221 Mook80 said:
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you haven't lost anything in the last few months. You only lose if you sell now. Ride it out, you have literally decades until you retire, looking at it as you've lost money in the last few weeks or months is silly.


The way I had it structured I have 80% of my biweekly paycheck going to my securities account for my money guy to play around with and do with it as he sees fit and 20% going to my cash account (I live a somewhat quiet lifestyle. I'm not traveling during this pandemic. I'm not spending extravagantly. Money spent on rent, utilities, food, etc.). I only contribute to my IRA at the beginning of every year for the tax benefits. Since I received my year-end bonus, I've lost A LOT. I mean I am down A LOT. A ridiculous amount. In Mid-April, I decided to just bite the bullet, accept some of the loss and go 60-40. But it's still not helping that the market continues to tumble day in and day out.
RE: I aint doing shit  
sb from NYT Forum : 5/19/2022 10:48 am : link
In comment 15713110 djm said:
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anyone 50 and under isn't likely to do much unless you're on your own investment plan/portfolio. Ride it out...same shit different decade.

If I was 7-8 years older i'd be bugging right now.


Also If you were 7-8 years older you would/should have had more of your assets in fixed income and wouldn't be freaking out.
What do you think of hi yield Mining Stocks  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 5/19/2022 10:51 am : link
Like Vale, Rio, and Bhp?
RE: RE: ALSO  
cjac : 5/19/2022 10:53 am : link
In comment 15713250 uconn18 said:
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In comment 15713235 cjac said:


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just because i said we're not near the bottom, I didnt tell anyone to sell anything, i said max out your 401k if you can in this down market.


All good! I say that you said that so I know your being smart.
I know your just bracing that things can get worse which is definitely true.

I just don’t want a new young investor to interpret that statement as it “will definitely go down some more so I should wait to buy then”



yeah yeah all good, if there are new investors out there my advice would be to dollar cost avg into a market like this, this way if there is more down pain you're not going all in at once.
RE: RE: also  
Mook80 : 5/19/2022 11:04 am : link
In comment 15713252 Anakim said:
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In comment 15713221 Mook80 said:


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you haven't lost anything in the last few months. You only lose if you sell now. Ride it out, you have literally decades until you retire, looking at it as you've lost money in the last few weeks or months is silly.



The way I had it structured I have 80% of my biweekly paycheck going to my securities account for my money guy to play around with and do with it as he sees fit and 20% going to my cash account (I live a somewhat quiet lifestyle. I'm not traveling during this pandemic. I'm not spending extravagantly. Money spent on rent, utilities, food, etc.). I only contribute to my IRA at the beginning of every year for the tax benefits. Since I received my year-end bonus, I've lost A LOT. I mean I am down A LOT. A ridiculous amount. In Mid-April, I decided to just bite the bullet, accept some of the loss and go 60-40. But it's still not helping that the market continues to tumble day in and day out.


Again, you haven't lost anything unless you sell. Stop looking at this stuff every day or even every year. Now is the time to put more in not less. I know you're an intelligent guy and I'm young but you're a lot younger than I am. There is zero reason for you to "bite the bullet and accept some of the loss". That's the exact opposite of what you should be doing. You are turning this into a loss with pure stupidity. Stop that and stop worrying about it. This isn't rocket science. Sell high buy low. It's really that simple. Do you think the market is going to be below where it is now in 20-30 years? Of course not. And if it is, we're fucked anyways so who really gives a shit.

In your position you have absolutely zero reason to be selling anything or putting less money in right now. You have no reason to be talking about how much you've lost in the last few months. You haven't lost a penny.
I'm retiring this year...  
BamaBlue : 5/19/2022 11:08 am : link
so, I sheltered my 401K after losing almost 2 years of current salary. I'm using my Roth IRA to buy.

I don't see much improvement in the economy in the next few years. There will be periods of rapid fluctuation until there is some fiscal discipline.

Rising interest rates, increasing energy costs (the current petroleum reserve is at the lowest level in 35 years), expansion of government spending, and inflation are the time-tested recipe for a recession. I think it's wise to buy if your young and preserve earnings if you're going to retire in the next 3-5 years.
RE: RE: also  
KDavies : 5/19/2022 11:10 am : link
In comment 15713252 Anakim said:
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In comment 15713221 Mook80 said:


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you haven't lost anything in the last few months. You only lose if you sell now. Ride it out, you have literally decades until you retire, looking at it as you've lost money in the last few weeks or months is silly.



The way I had it structured I have 80% of my biweekly paycheck going to my securities account for my money guy to play around with and do with it as he sees fit and 20% going to my cash account (I live a somewhat quiet lifestyle. I'm not traveling during this pandemic. I'm not spending extravagantly. Money spent on rent, utilities, food, etc.). I only contribute to my IRA at the beginning of every year for the tax benefits. Since I received my year-end bonus, I've lost A LOT. I mean I am down A LOT. A ridiculous amount. In Mid-April, I decided to just bite the bullet, accept some of the loss and go 60-40. But it's still not helping that the market continues to tumble day in and day out.


You are doing it right. Unreal that you can plow 80% of your money into investments. Keep doing it. Don't look at it as losing money. You are buying stocks on sale, which allows you to accumulate more shares of stock. Keep plowing money in. If the market is down another 10%, keep plowing money in. You are young. In five years, you will look at your portfolio and be thankful you did.

As for losing money, everyone has. I'm actually up on the year because of FL real estate, but I was down $23K or so just yesterday. It doesn't matter. It will eventually go back up. It always has.

I share this article every time I can. If you have a long-term time horizon, it is very risky to sell. "Looking at data going back to 1930, the firm found that if an investor missed the S&P 500′s 10 best days each decade, the total return would stand at 28%. If, on the other hand, the investor held steady through the ups and downs, the return would have been 17,715%."

Think about that. If you miss the 10 best market days each decade, your returns are 28% total since 1930. If you just stay in, your returns would have been 17,715%. In a volatile market like this is usually when those huge whiplash days are, and there is immense risk to missing those days.
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bigblue1124 : 5/19/2022 11:11 am : link
When this all started, I was stressing myself out should I sell? What should I do? I finally made the decision to just roll with it and not touch anything. It will bounce back it’s just a matter of when. I found myself still stressing mainly because I was looking at the market daily and causing unneeded anxiety on myself even after making the decision to stick it out.

Now I just don’t bother looking I feel better, less stress and the way I look at it I wasn’t retiring in the next few years anyway. If anything, find the deals available and take advantage of them.
Things will turn around they always do.
Also anak  
Mook80 : 5/19/2022 11:13 am : link
if your money guy isn't encouraging you to buy more now rather than accept a loss and reduce the amount you're putting in, it's time to find a new money guy like right now.

RE: Also anak  
cjac : 5/19/2022 11:20 am : link
In comment 15713294 Mook80 said:
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if your money guy isn't encouraging you to buy more now rather than accept a loss and reduce the amount you're putting in, it's time to find a new money guy like right now.


+1
This is a correction not a dip  
Vanzetti : 5/19/2022 11:22 am : link
Big difference

RE: It depends on the stocks  
Payasdaddy : 5/19/2022 11:23 am : link
In comment 15713143 Vanzetti said:
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All those tech stocks and alternative energy stocks that climbed to five or 10 times their pre-pandemic value. Those are never coming back up to their bubble levels. So I would sell those at the next rise. Stocks lle Twilio.

Also IPOs that skyrocketed and then I’ve been steadily declining for six months or a year, get rid of those

Value stocks you should just hold and wait out the market they will come back up.

I am funding the crap out of my after tax mega Roth IRA plus maxing out 401k and catch up contribution.
Still averaging down on Apple and Nvidia those that I can hold my nose as hold when market tanks
I think they lead after whatever recession ( or asset revaluation)
Not touching acct till 15-20 yrs hopefully
As far as alternative energy, PLUG

Yes this is a PLUG. So do your own DD if remotely interested ( and it’s still a bit expensive. 9x 2022 sales. Caveat emptor
I think hydrogen is gonna dominate as infrastructure goes, really kicking in 2025 and on.
EU budget in 220 billion for alternative ( if it passes). We know they are moving away from oil/ gas. Expect US to do same. Cali doing it now.
PLUG super well positioned. Just did a billion dollar deal in Denmark for biggest hydrogen project ever. I expect a lot more over next few yrs


You only lose money when you sell is ridiculous  
DCOrange : 5/19/2022 11:23 am : link
If someone was told that a few months ago and stayed in they're now down big.

And of course if they stayed in and lost another 15%+ they would not have the cash needed for the other classic comment (usually made by those who stayed in and are getting killed) 'it's a great buying opportunity.'

Which it may be - except for those who stayed in because they were told you only lose when you sell and now have no cash and a portfolio down big.
RE: I dont KNOW anything  
Payasdaddy : 5/19/2022 11:27 am : link
In comment 15713233 cjac said:
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i'm giving my opinion. Maybe that was poorly worded

I feel like we are now where near the bottom. In 2008, we knew it was the housing bubble, in 2020, it was the covid lockdown.

Right now, there are too many factors contributing to this and not one thing thats going to fix all the problems going on right now. (the war, the supply chain problems with China lockdowns, the Fed printing money and chasing inflation)

So in my opinion, this thing is not going to turn around any time soon.

Just how I feel about it from what i'm reading and hearing and seeing. I'm not an expert on this.

Just like in my opinion Daniel Jones sucks, I HOPE I"M WRONG about that and this


2008 I think will be a lot worse. Credit markets were frozen. This is more a revaluation of assets that got way ahead of ourselves. It’s not 1999 either. mega tech makes tons of cash. It’s basically do I think Apple should warrant a 25x p/e or. 15x P/E. Could definitely see another 10-20% downside. Issue is you will never get the upswing or time the bottom. So just keep dollar coat averaging in retirement accts if u have them. It could take 5 yrs to recover. 10 yrs from now you would be very happy u bought.
Nowhere near bottom  
Tim in VA : 5/19/2022 11:29 am : link
Things are bad now, but only going to get much worse. Staying could be disaster for some.
RE: This is a correction not a dip  
KDavies : 5/19/2022 11:30 am : link
In comment 15713307 Vanzetti said:
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Big difference


Some would argue that corrections are healthy, particularly when stocks have gone up so much so fast. Feb. 14, 2020, DJIA was at 29,398. March 20, 2020 it was at 19,173 when everything shut down. DJIA almost doubled since that time, and still a bit higher than Feb. 2020, even with all the host of issues. Market is pricing in a recession.
RE: This is a correction not a dip  
Heisenberg : 5/19/2022 11:32 am : link
In comment 15713307 Vanzetti said:
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Big difference


This how I feel. Correction triggered by weird economic conditions and aided by the fact that there are now going to be some other places to put your money and get a return. Before now, there really wasn't any other option but interest rates going up will change that. Zero interest rates made the market really the only game in town.
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