Who you guys got? I mean obviously two of the biggest tools in football (Along with Urb) getting a little catty with one another. Both are smug, both are assholes, and both are reasons why NCAA football is going downhill.
I think the NCAA should do the right thing and just ban them from the sport (obviously this is tongue in cheek but something I would enjoy immensely.)
Anyone else with me?
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Don’t expect a holiday card exchange between Jimbo Fisher and Nick Saban.
Sheesh, Jimbo went in: “We built him up to be this czar of football. Go dig into his past, or anybody that’s ever coached with him … Of what he does and how he does it. And it’s despicable.”
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Don’t expect a holiday card exchange between Jimbo Fisher and Nick Saban.
Sheesh, Jimbo went in: “We built him up to be this czar of football. Go dig into his past, or anybody that’s ever coached with him … Of what he does and how he does it. And it’s despicable.”
A great follow up to that remark should be? "Even your past Jimbo?"
The academic standards of Jimbo Fisher is something he should be reminded of every day.
That's how I heard it, too.
"Hey Bama alumnae and boosters...if we want to continue to be the very best program by getting the most talent, we need you to invest more in our recruits..."
This seems like Jimbo is a little jealous imv. Interesting because Saban has won NC's with many OC's one of which was Jimbo.
I don't doubt there is some money being tossed to recruits at Bama. Considering the success of the program you really don't hear of the discipline problems. I think Saban takes very seriously developing young men outside of football. He builds a incredible system wherever he goes.
Yep. Saban has no need to take actual shots at any coach or program. He was sending the message to a different group...
Why the detest? He is a incredible HC and program builder. He takes on projects of once proud programs and takes them to the highest of heights.
His players seem like good young men when I see them speak considering how long he has been out of it. Discipline problems seem to be scarce.
I think a big part of his success is the Mom's and Dad's trust him with their son both on and off the field.
Alabama by 100
Doesn’t mean he isnt dirty in a lot of ways but you go work for him and succeed you are going to retire very well from a coaching career.
At this point he’s in the top 5 GOAT college coach discussion. And if not the goat he’s damn close
Doesn’t mean he isnt dirty in a lot of ways but you go work for him and succeed you are going to retire very well from a coaching career.
At this point he’s in the top 5 GOAT college coach discussion. And if not the goat he’s damn close
He is the most accomplished imv. He loves what he does and depending how the next two years go I can see him staying to get to 10 NC's.
He is a legendary coach. Anyone would be foolish to argue otherwise.
He is a legendary coach. Anyone would be foolish to argue otherwise.
Got it. Frustrating for ND fans depending how long one has been a fan. I followed them a lot during the Holtz years which were great.
Not getting Brees and recognizing he did not have a QB made him bolt imv. Not a very patient man. I understand where some criticize the move.
Cry baby.
For the last decade Saban goes into to practically every single game with a decided talent advantage and you will never convince me it was done entirely clean in the SEC.
NO FUCKING WAY!
STFU
I lost a lot of respect for Saban.
he's the highest paid public employee in the entire country. he has a ton of endorsement deals. he's built a fortune from an unpaid labor mess the NCAA has bungled for years. i dont remember him leading any charge to change the system.
and anyone who thinks Saban was bringing in #1 recruiting class after #1 recruiting class of truly "unpaid" labor doesn't understand how major CFB has worked forever. he does deserve credit for having a more disciplined team that anyone else when it comes to posting pics of their cash/cars on social media.
Rush Propst Accuses Kirby Smart and Nick Saban of Paying Recruits - ( New Window )
No doubt Saban cashed in elsewhere but he is the most successful HC in college. I think most recognize that coaching sports has been paying athletes a long time.
Here is the influence of Saban. They get students now from out of state because of that program. The tuition costs go up and certainly the programs revenue has gone up significantly which benefits all the other sports.
Jimbo can be right about some things but he is as in on it as anyone. He just does not have the hardware to show for it imv.
There has been a ton of shady shit in CFB forever, isn't it a smidge disingenuous to get up on a soapbox now? there are issues with the NIL but I haven't heard 1 productive comment from Saban over the past few months, just complaints.
Cry baby.
For the last decade Saban goes into to practically every single game with a decided talent advantage and you will never convince me it was done entirely clean in the SEC.
NO FUCKING WAY!
STFU
I lost a lot of respect for Saban.
I really think you misheard Saban's message. His target audience was the Alabama Alumnae Banking & Trust. And he wants them to start writing bigger checks for his recruits.
A great way to motivate is by fear...
He is the most accomplished imv. He loves what he does and depending how the next two years go I can see him staying to get to 10 NC's.
Saban has locked up the greatest HC in college football history. The seven national championships sealed it; and he's done it during an era where the champion actually wins the title versus the '40s-'80s where the "champion" was too much of a popularity contest with the writers...
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He is the most accomplished imv. He loves what he does and depending how the next two years go I can see him staying to get to 10 NC's.
Saban has locked up the greatest HC in college football history. The seven national championships sealed it; and he's done it during an era where the champion actually wins the title versus the '40s-'80s where the "champion" was too much of a popularity contest with the writers...
I would say so. So consistent. Jimbo comes off small here imv. Saying how he would not work with him again because he knows who he is lol. Saban has been just fine without you. I think Jimbo called the wrong coach the narcissist.
He got his NC but good thing he got out before Clemson hit its peak.
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Good grief, my first reaction was...
Cry baby.
For the last decade Saban goes into to practically every single game with a decided talent advantage and you will never convince me it was done entirely clean in the SEC.
NO FUCKING WAY!
STFU
I lost a lot of respect for Saban.
I really think you misheard Saban's message. His target audience was the Alabama Alumnae Banking & Trust. And he wants them to start writing bigger checks for his recruits.
A great way to motivate is by fear...
Saban will have the more talented roster in every game next year. I thought it was small coming from him. I expect more.
In the world you say? lol.
To put it bluntly, he owns several car dealerships in Alabama and its not a concidence that Bama players have *nice* new cars while on the team.
The issue is the big college sports turned it into big business. They pay the HC’s and staff like CEO’s and high level executives. Players rightfully wanted in on it imv.
There is a way out of it but it would require a massive restructuring.
step 4 will be this thread in 10 years except with more problems.
Once money got involved in the two big sports it changed and some purity was lost. I still love college sports. I also am not blind to the shady side of it but in the big picture ii see it as a small price compared to all the benefits it has on college sports as a whole.
“There has always been an ‘honor amongst thieves’ mantra in the SEC, and those two just called each other’s wives fat to a global audience.”
Another long-time former coach who spent two decades in the SEC said the rule-breaking in the conference has been the worst-kept secret in football, ranging from extra coaches to working around the NCAA’s 20-hour-a-week rule to having practice almost year-around. But this back-and-forth between Saban and Fisher aired a lot of dirty laundry that caught the ears of their peers who have rolled their eyes at shady recruiting business.
“One of biggest fallacies is these kids going on unofficial visits all over country,” said a long-time former SEC head coach. “These programs have a cash fund they pay for players and parents and coaches flying all over country and staying in these hotels and eating these meals. It’s unreal.
“If you ain’t doing 85 (miles per hour) in a 55, you are going to get your ass beat in today’s world.”
What CFB coaches think of Nick Saban vs Jimbo Fisher: ‘Those 2 just called each other’s wives fat’ - ( New Window )
You want a big program? Better be able to bring the $. That was true before NIL and more true now.
The funny thing is that I'll visit another cousin of mine in Maine usually in October & we'll go out to the bar for the 3:30 SEC game & no one gives AF. Haha.
The Mason-Dixon line separates college football in the East Coast.
Once money got involved in the two big sports it changed and some purity was lost. I still love college sports. I also am not blind to the shady side of it but in the big picture ii see it as a small price compared to all the benefits it has on college sports as a whole.
and they did so willingly. they should have created the insurance pools for college athletes who got hurt earlier. they also should have compensated athletes for practice time making it some kind of athletes work study program instead of creating continually more convoluted rules about how they were able to actually get compensated if they needed to work (there would have been a title 9 impact but i think there's clearly enough money in the system to solve that).
it may have created a smaller p5 subset of schools with enough funding to do things that way, but it would have kept the NCAA out of their enormously hypocritical position of having insane amounts of money go to too few administrators and players left to risk their eligibility. their greed and ineffectiveness left them open to courts creating the wild west we are in now (which imo has a better chance at creating real parity than status quo).
You want a big program? Better be able to bring the $. That was true before NIL and more true now.
so doesn't that make it sour grapes from saban? the game is always changing, and coaches always need to change to keep up (which is what i think his true objective is in making his comments).
bryce young had 1m+ NIL before the heisman. he was allegedly training with Addison in LA (who just officially committed to USC, and Saban would have taken in a nano second if he could have matched the NIL he's supposedly getting). so from my vantage point Saban's complaint seems squarely aimed at the areas where he's at a deficiency and none of the areas where he's been able to benefit from NIL.
These coaches live on another planet. Honestly, if it's not X's and O's, who cares what they say? They live in a fantasy world.
But he doesn't take back the substance of what he said.
And of course he knew exactly what he was doing when he said it.
Texas AM has been getting top classes. Let’s see if NC’s follow.
Saban has won NC’s with several three star QB’s including Mac Jones. It’s more than just recruiting imv.
This seems like Jimbo is a little jealous imv. Interesting because Saban has won NC's with many OC's one of which was Jimbo.
I don't doubt there is some money being tossed to recruits at Bama. Considering the success of the program you really don't hear of the discipline problems. I think Saban takes very seriously developing young men outside of football. He builds a incredible system wherever he goes.
"Some" money? LOL
1. Big Ten: $768.9 million
2. SEC: $728.9 million
3. Pac-12: $533.8 million
4. ACC: $496.7 million
5. Big 12: $409.2 million
The Big Ten has a deal on the table that will take this over $1 billion dollars. Just imagine for a minute that each division in the NFC had it's own television deal and different salary caps based on that television revenue? There is a reason why the commissioners of the Pac-12, ACC, and Big 12 have threatened to stop scheduling the B10 and SEC. It's the only leverage they have.
Ahh... but you can't pay players with TV revenue! Nope, but you can pay coaches top dollar and more importantly, you can afford to pay assistant coaches top dollar AND with no limits on off-field football staff you can hire as many former coaches as analysts as you'd like. Nick Saban has former NFL coaches out scouting Vanderbilt games and coming back with detailed game plans. This TV revenue can also go to building facilities and other amenities not to mention being funneled into other sports without making a dent on the football budget. You can already see this happening in men's basketball. It's no mistake that the SEC is suddenly a better basketball conference than the ACC.
NIL only creates further inequities, but now it is intra-conference. Traditional powers with LONG histories and generations of fans have a huge advantage here. Teams like Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma, Notre Dame and USC for example have alumni bases that stretch back to the early 1900's with enough "old" money to create generous slush funds. Then you get TAMU alums with their oil money or Oregon with sneaker profits pouring cash into those NIL coffers as if it were water.
Until there is some sort of revolt among the Power Five schools to break completely away from the NCAA and form their own FBS entity with a strong commissioner who can negotiate a LEGAL anti-trust agreement and enforce equitable NIL and TV revenue rules, there is NO chance that CFB remains competitive. Hell, it's already pretty much Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Oklahoma and whatever other minor power might rise up. You can add USC to that list in the very near future.
To put it bluntly, he owns several car dealerships in Alabama and its not a concidence that Bama players have *nice* new cars while on the team.
Okay, I'll bite. Who was/is better?
He's just like John Wooden. Great Xs/Os, great recruiter, and great at letting other people take care of compensation.
Addison and Williams probably got more $$$ than Lincoln Riley got. And they have NO ONE that side of the country to compete with them in that aspect.
Addison and Williams probably got more $$$ than Lincoln Riley got. And they have NO ONE that side of the country to compete with them in that aspect.
UCLA is the one that should be able to compete with any school.
A huge, huge alumnae base and LA is a great area.
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Who undoubtedly will pay their players more than any SEC school. Which is USC.
Addison and Williams probably got more $$$ than Lincoln Riley got. And they have NO ONE that side of the country to compete with them in that aspect.
UCLA is the one that should be able to compete with any school.
A huge, huge alumnae base and LA is a great area.
Maybe for basketball… but their football program has been so irrelevant. I mean I can’t even think the last time they were relevant. Maybe since Cade McNown?
Saban's genius lay in his assembling and building an operation that rivals or surpasses most NFL teams in its size, scope and sophistication.
But we saw how good of a coach he was in the NFL when the playing field was leveled.
Saban's genius lay in his assembling and building an operation that rivals or surpasses most NFL teams in its size, scope and sophistication.
But we saw how good of a coach he was in the NFL when the playing field was leveled.
You must be a Auburn fan!
You point out good points about the revenue generated by conferences and how certain teams have huge advantages. Alabama is certainly one. The big difference is Saban actually win NC's at a consistent rate. That is about coaching imv.
BB has often said how big a influence Saban has been in his coaching of defense. They have been friends since the 80's. HOF Jason Taylor has called him a genius. All those analysts you speak of. Well they were all fired and came to him to learn while providing some input. His three recent OC's were all fired HC's looking for the same. Most if not all of these people could have went to numerous other schools if those schools presented a opportunity. Our current HC Daboll ended up with him after three uneventful stops as OC and a return to Foxboro where BB had him coaching TE's.
Seems to me lots of these coaches recognize they need some mentoring and adjustments to further their career. Nick gives them that opportunity.
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Saban's genius lay in his assembling and building an operation that rivals or surpasses most NFL teams in its size, scope and sophistication.
But we saw how good of a coach he was in the NFL when the playing field was leveled.
Take a look at his time at UCLA. Some solid NCAA finishes over his first ten years (0 NC's). Then 5 straight misses. Then 3 modest finishes back in the tournament (0 NC's).
All of a sudden over the next 12 years produced 10 NCAA Championships. He must have really made adjustments to his coaching!
Saban's genius lay in his assembling and building an operation that rivals or surpasses most NFL teams in its size, scope and sophistication.
But we saw how good of a coach he was in the NFL when the playing field was leveled.
When you have any understanding of the UCLA program under Wooden, and how he turned a blind eye to Sam Gilbert's actions with the program, then maybe we'll have something to discuss.
maybe that's just a prerequisite for the kind of greatness they both achieved.
i dont think it's unfair to hold 2 things are true about both at the same time - each is an unparalleled coach in their generation and each has some very obvious ethical flaws with a willingness to break whatever rules they deem necessary in the name of competition. That's why Saban complaining about a rule change that god forbid made him 2nd in recruiting instead of first is hilariously hypocritical. It would be like Belichek complaining about a rule change that allowed more video taping of opponents practices or QBs manipulating the air pressure in the football.
We'll have something to discuss.
There's a reason why Deion went off on him and why Travis Johnson snapped back at him as well.
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wasn't blatantly breaking the rules left and right and using his buddy at the NCAA to take down any and all competition.
Saban's genius lay in his assembling and building an operation that rivals or surpasses most NFL teams in its size, scope and sophistication.
But we saw how good of a coach he was in the NFL when the playing field was leveled.
You must be a Auburn fan!
You point out good points about the revenue generated by conferences and how certain teams have huge advantages. Alabama is certainly one. The big difference is Saban actually win NC's at a consistent rate. That is about coaching imv.
BB has often said how big a influence Saban has been in his coaching of defense. They have been friends since the 80's. HOF Jason Taylor has called him a genius. All those analysts you speak of. Well they were all fired and came to him to learn while providing some input. His three recent OC's were all fired HC's looking for the same. Most if not all of these people could have went to numerous other schools if those schools presented a opportunity. Our current HC Daboll ended up with him after three uneventful stops as OC and a return to Foxboro where BB had him coaching TE's.
Seems to me lots of these coaches recognize they need some mentoring and adjustments to further their career. Nick gives them that opportunity.
Nick Saban is a terrific football coach, but Cane is not wrong about Alabama. Nick has deftly combined his high coaching acumen and organizational skills along with an uncanny ability to squeeze the most out of the vast sums of money available to Alabama football to create his machine. Saban would win at any decent P5 program, but make no mistake about it, without the money the dynasty does not reach such dizzying heights.
It's interesting how you deflect the credit away from Saban's army of analysts and the parade of top assistants that have marched through Tuscaloosa. Some of them may have lost their jobs as NFL and college head coaches, but it takes a certain amount of knowledge and skill to get there and most have rehabilitated their image and moved on.
Saban is among the top 5-10 but he is not the "greatest coach in CFB history." That title goes to those who have done more with less rather than those who have done more with more.
That OC certainly had a stellar career once he left (McElwain). The DC is now at Georgia who Saban raised and developed from puppy stage and then took 6 years to get his first NC. Then the analysts (our very own Joe Judge and a couple others who most never heard of).
I think I understand the logic in your arguments.
Its not good at all for the sport and it can be directly traced back to Saban's construction of his program and machine at Alabama as well as his numerous assistants and underlings spreading out and bringing his blue print to other schools across the country.
Go watch Jimbo's Press conference again.
This is a BFD.
That OC certainly had a stellar career once he left (McElwain). The DC is now at Georgia who Saban raised and developed from puppy stage and then took 6 years to get his first NC. Then the analysts (our very own Joe Judge and a couple others who most never heard of).
I think I understand the logic in your arguments.
Being intentionally obtuse is not as charming as you think.
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3 NC's his first six years at Bama. The army of analysts were all in place. The outstanding coordinators. The pipeline of top recruits. The star QB's.
That OC certainly had a stellar career once he left (McElwain). The DC is now at Georgia who Saban raised and developed from puppy stage and then took 6 years to get his first NC. Then the analysts (our very own Joe Judge and a couple others who most never heard of).
I think I understand the logic in your arguments.
Being intentionally obtuse is not as charming as you think.
Truth hurts. Educate yourself. Be better prepared next time when you make your arguments. Your not very on top of the college coaching and history......at least as much as you think.
We'll have something to discuss.
There's a reason why Deion went off on him and why Travis Johnson snapped back at him as well.
BBC, here is what I wrote:
I'm not defending Saban as some football deity. I admit he probably has some shady practices off the field...like Wooden.
But people know what he's been doing. Deion is PO'd and former players like Travis Johnson and others have been posting stories and relating tales about what he did.