Who you guys got? I mean obviously two of the biggest tools in football (Along with Urb) getting a little catty with one another. Both are smug, both are assholes, and both are reasons why NCAA football is going downhill.
I think the NCAA should do the right thing and just ban them from the sport (obviously this is tongue in cheek but something I would enjoy immensely.)
Anyone else with me?
Saban's genius lay in his assembling and building an operation that rivals or surpasses most NFL teams in its size, scope and sophistication.
But we saw how good of a coach he was in the NFL when the playing field was leveled.
You must be a Auburn fan!
You point out good points about the revenue generated by conferences and how certain teams have huge advantages. Alabama is certainly one. The big difference is Saban actually win NC's at a consistent rate. That is about coaching imv.
BB has often said how big a influence Saban has been in his coaching of defense. They have been friends since the 80's. HOF Jason Taylor has called him a genius. All those analysts you speak of. Well they were all fired and came to him to learn while providing some input. His three recent OC's were all fired HC's looking for the same. Most if not all of these people could have went to numerous other schools if those schools presented a opportunity. Our current HC Daboll ended up with him after three uneventful stops as OC and a return to Foxboro where BB had him coaching TE's.
Seems to me lots of these coaches recognize they need some mentoring and adjustments to further their career. Nick gives them that opportunity.
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Saban's genius lay in his assembling and building an operation that rivals or surpasses most NFL teams in its size, scope and sophistication.
But we saw how good of a coach he was in the NFL when the playing field was leveled.
Take a look at his time at UCLA. Some solid NCAA finishes over his first ten years (0 NC's). Then 5 straight misses. Then 3 modest finishes back in the tournament (0 NC's).
All of a sudden over the next 12 years produced 10 NCAA Championships. He must have really made adjustments to his coaching!
Saban's genius lay in his assembling and building an operation that rivals or surpasses most NFL teams in its size, scope and sophistication.
But we saw how good of a coach he was in the NFL when the playing field was leveled.
When you have any understanding of the UCLA program under Wooden, and how he turned a blind eye to Sam Gilbert's actions with the program, then maybe we'll have something to discuss.
maybe that's just a prerequisite for the kind of greatness they both achieved.
i dont think it's unfair to hold 2 things are true about both at the same time - each is an unparalleled coach in their generation and each has some very obvious ethical flaws with a willingness to break whatever rules they deem necessary in the name of competition. That's why Saban complaining about a rule change that god forbid made him 2nd in recruiting instead of first is hilariously hypocritical. It would be like Belichek complaining about a rule change that allowed more video taping of opponents practices or QBs manipulating the air pressure in the football.
We'll have something to discuss.
There's a reason why Deion went off on him and why Travis Johnson snapped back at him as well.
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wasn't blatantly breaking the rules left and right and using his buddy at the NCAA to take down any and all competition.
Saban's genius lay in his assembling and building an operation that rivals or surpasses most NFL teams in its size, scope and sophistication.
But we saw how good of a coach he was in the NFL when the playing field was leveled.
You must be a Auburn fan!
You point out good points about the revenue generated by conferences and how certain teams have huge advantages. Alabama is certainly one. The big difference is Saban actually win NC's at a consistent rate. That is about coaching imv.
BB has often said how big a influence Saban has been in his coaching of defense. They have been friends since the 80's. HOF Jason Taylor has called him a genius. All those analysts you speak of. Well they were all fired and came to him to learn while providing some input. His three recent OC's were all fired HC's looking for the same. Most if not all of these people could have went to numerous other schools if those schools presented a opportunity. Our current HC Daboll ended up with him after three uneventful stops as OC and a return to Foxboro where BB had him coaching TE's.
Seems to me lots of these coaches recognize they need some mentoring and adjustments to further their career. Nick gives them that opportunity.
Nick Saban is a terrific football coach, but Cane is not wrong about Alabama. Nick has deftly combined his high coaching acumen and organizational skills along with an uncanny ability to squeeze the most out of the vast sums of money available to Alabama football to create his machine. Saban would win at any decent P5 program, but make no mistake about it, without the money the dynasty does not reach such dizzying heights.
It's interesting how you deflect the credit away from Saban's army of analysts and the parade of top assistants that have marched through Tuscaloosa. Some of them may have lost their jobs as NFL and college head coaches, but it takes a certain amount of knowledge and skill to get there and most have rehabilitated their image and moved on.
Saban is among the top 5-10 but he is not the "greatest coach in CFB history." That title goes to those who have done more with less rather than those who have done more with more.
That OC certainly had a stellar career once he left (McElwain). The DC is now at Georgia who Saban raised and developed from puppy stage and then took 6 years to get his first NC. Then the analysts (our very own Joe Judge and a couple others who most never heard of).
I think I understand the logic in your arguments.
Its not good at all for the sport and it can be directly traced back to Saban's construction of his program and machine at Alabama as well as his numerous assistants and underlings spreading out and bringing his blue print to other schools across the country.
Go watch Jimbo's Press conference again.
This is a BFD.
That OC certainly had a stellar career once he left (McElwain). The DC is now at Georgia who Saban raised and developed from puppy stage and then took 6 years to get his first NC. Then the analysts (our very own Joe Judge and a couple others who most never heard of).
I think I understand the logic in your arguments.
Being intentionally obtuse is not as charming as you think.
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3 NC's his first six years at Bama. The army of analysts were all in place. The outstanding coordinators. The pipeline of top recruits. The star QB's.
That OC certainly had a stellar career once he left (McElwain). The DC is now at Georgia who Saban raised and developed from puppy stage and then took 6 years to get his first NC. Then the analysts (our very own Joe Judge and a couple others who most never heard of).
I think I understand the logic in your arguments.
Being intentionally obtuse is not as charming as you think.
Truth hurts. Educate yourself. Be better prepared next time when you make your arguments. Your not very on top of the college coaching and history......at least as much as you think.
We'll have something to discuss.
There's a reason why Deion went off on him and why Travis Johnson snapped back at him as well.
BBC, here is what I wrote:
I'm not defending Saban as some football deity. I admit he probably has some shady practices off the field...like Wooden.
But people know what he's been doing. Deion is PO'd and former players like Travis Johnson and others have been posting stories and relating tales about what he did.